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ULAN ERMENI YARRAGI YEMIS ORUSPU COCUGU PINCO DOLU TURK!
SENIN ANANIN AMINA BADEMCIK AMELIYATI YAPARIM!
ORUSPUNUN VELEDI ANANIN AMINA DOL VE KUSMAGIMI KARISTIRIP DOKTUGUMUN PICI!
TURSUN PICSIN ANANI SIKTIRMEYE ALISKINSIN!
SENIN ANANIN AMINI DESSINLER ORUSPUNUN PIC VELEDI!
SENI SIKE SIKE GEBERTIRIM LEN!
SEN KASINIYORSUN PINCO TURK.
ULAN SIZIN TURK GIZLARINIZI HER GUN SIKIYORUM HEMDE SIZIN EVLERINIZDE AMCIKLARI NEDE GUZEL OLUYOR.
KIZ SIKMEKLE KALMIYOR ERKEKDE SIKIYORUZ TAKSIM TURK ERKEK SIKME CENNETI OLMUS.
ZEKI MUREN KILIKLI ANCAK ANASINI SIKER.
ULAN ORTA ASYA PICI TOPLU OLARAK BACINI SIKIYORUZ BAK FATIH UREK IPNESI NASILDA SIRIYOR
BENZINI SHLEDEN AMCIGI TURKTEN AL COK GOZEL OLUR
DUVARDA FES TURK ANAN AMINA GORUM SESINI KES!
GOKTE GUNEH SIMSEK SENDEMI ADAM OLDUN TURK PICI ESSEK OGLU ESSEK.
GOKTEN INDIM SIMSEK GIBI TURK ERKEGINE SOKTUM ESSEK GIBI
UYDURMA YAN GETIREM TURK HALKINA SOKAM SELEVETINI GETIREM
BEN DIYORUM ANKARA SEN DIYORSUN BENI GOTUM SENIN SIKINDENDE KARA.
ANAN GOZELMI BACIN GOZELMI NUKHET DURU TURK KARISINI SIKE SIKE HAL EDEN MASIS
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of February 2003 at 08:08:39
I feel very proud to see that our rich heritage is being spread, and others are becoming more informed about the Armenian people through these excellent websites.
We are all very proud to be ARMENIANS.
Wherever we stand, we always stand with Armenia.
signed on Monday, the 24. of February 2003 at 16:50:14
ULAN ERMENI OROSPU COCUKLARI,ANANIZIN AMINI sike sike biktik.SIZ HALA BIKMADINIZMI?ULAN NE PIC MILLETSINIZ YAA.SOKAK KOPEKLERI BILE SIZDEN DAHA ONURLUDUR.VALLA....SUNUN SURASINDA BIR AVUC AMCIK KALDINIZ,YAKINDA SIZI MUZEDE GOSTERCEZ.
SIZ BIZIM UFAK OROSPULARIMIZSINIZ.NE ZAMAN CANIMIZ SIKILIRSA SIZI AMDAN GOTTEN sikiyoruz.yakinda SIZIN O KERAHANE OLAN KILISELERINIZDE PAZAR GUNLERI TOPLU sikise basliycaz.saolsun peder SIZIN CEMAATTEN BUTUN ANANNIZI BACINIZI BIZE SIKTIRIYOR.OGLUM SIZ VAR YA SIZ 5$ BACINIZI KARINIZI ANANIZI TURKLERE SIKTIREN GAVATLARSINIZ.
TURKUM,DOGRUYUM, CALISKANIM,ERMENI sikmeye ALISKANIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BENZINI SHELL'DEN YARRAGI TURKTEN AL!!!!!!!
KEMANIMIN TELLERI,sikeceksin GOTTEN BUTUN ERMENILERI!!!!!
ERMENI DEDIGIN,ISTEMEDEN GOTTEN VERMELI!!!!!!
WHOREMENIA,MOTHERLAND OF THE BASTARDS AND BITCHES.
ALL WHOREMENIA HAS BEEN SUCKING OUR BIG TURKISH COCKS FOR 1000 YEARS,AND THEY WILL SUCK FOREVER.
WHOREMENIAN ARE THE BEST IN COCK SUCKING.THEY ARE OUR LITTLE BITCHES.WE FUCKED THEM FROM THE ASS ALL THE TIME.MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
signed on Monday, the 24. of February 2003 at 13:10:48
ULAN ERMENI OROSPU COCUKLARI,ANANIZIN AMINI sike sike biktik.SIZ HALA BIKMADINIZMI?ULAN NE PIC MILLETSINIZ YAA.SOKAK KOPEKLERI BILE SIZDEN DAHA ONURLUDUR.VALLA....SUNUN SURASINDA BIR AVUC AMCIK KALDINIZ,YAKINDA SIZI MUZEDE GOSTERCEZ.
SIZ BIZIM UFAK OROSPULARIMIZSINIZ.NE ZAMAN CANIMIZ SIKILIRSA SIZI AMDAN GOTTEN sikiyoruz.yakinda SIZIN O KERAHANE OLAN KILISELERINIZDE PAZAR GUNLERI TOPLU sikise basliycaz.saolsun peder SIZIN CEMAATTEN BUTUN ANANNIZI BACINIZI BIZE SIKTIRIYOR.OGLUM SIZ VAR YA SIZ 5$ BACINIZI KARINIZI ANANIZI TURKLERE SIKTIREN GAVATLARSINIZ.
TURKUM,DOGRUYUM, CALISKANIM,ERMENI sikmeye ALISKANIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BENZINI SHELL'DEN YARRAGI TURKTEN AL!!!!!!!
KEMANIMIN TELLERI,sikeceksin GOTTEN BUTUN ERMENILERI!!!!!
ERMENI DEDIGIN,ISTEMEDEN GOTTEN VERMELI!!!!!!
WHOREMENIA,MOTHERLAND OF THE BASTARDS AND BITCHES.
ALL WHOREMENIA HAS BEEN SUCKING OUR BIG TURKISH COCKS FOR 1000 YEARS,AND THEY WILL SUCK FOREVER.
WHOREMENIAN ARE THE BEST IN COCK SUCKING.THEY ARE OUR LITTLE BITCHES.WE FUCKED THEM FROM THE ASS ALL THE TIME.MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
signed on Monday, the 24. of February 2003 at 13:07:33
Here is a summary of Turkish - Armenian exchanges which abound on this website:
Armenians: Fuck you, fuck Turks, fuck your mother, sister, brother etc....
Turks: Fuck you, fuck Armeninans, fuck your mother, sister, brother etc....
Armenians: No,no! Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you!
Turks: No,no, no! Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you!
(Reprise)
As a Turkish National, I am ashamed and tired of this mutual nonsense. Is there anyone out there who can discuss in a civilised way about ways of possible coexistence between Turks and Armenians? Probably not, otherwise these idiots swearing nonstop would have nothing else to do.
signed on Monday, the 24. of February 2003 at 06:34:54
Parev!
I'm from México, so my english isn't good, sorry.
I like all about Armenia, History, the language, the people, music, my favorite instrument is the Doudouk! Anyway, i just want to say this is a great web site, it has a good information, and i like a lot the design. So thank you for sharing this with us, the odar people. So, you must be so proud of being Armenians, because if I was i would, but unfortunately i am not. So keep doing this, we thank you. And keep the ARMENIAN PRIDE ^.^ Greetings from México to the spiurka-hay and the hayastantsi. Yertas parov.
signed on Sunday, the 23. of February 2003 at 15:57:05
I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Hopefully for their own sake, they will realise the importance of the role Armenia and it's people played in the past and will continue to do so. (Such as the invention of Wine, Armenicum, MRI, etc)
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity.
Never lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the spilt blood of civil men.
Remember a reputation is what others think of you, but a character is what you really are, however don't let pride get the best of you it is the deadlist of vices.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many times individual Armenians and the nationn as a collective have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through, just as he did our forefathers.
A great nation is like a great man,
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts.
signed on Friday, the 21. of February 2003 at 22:24:13
FROM: SMART KAMARA
ABIDJAN COTE D'IVOIRE
WEST AFRICA
TEL:+22507723459
Dear Sir,
I am Mr SMART KAMARA the son of late former Director of finance, Chief Vincent R.Kamara Sierra-Leone diamond and mining corporation. I must confess my agitation
is real, and my words is my bond, in this proposal.
My late father diverted this money meant for purchase of ammunition, for my country, during the civil war in my country, now he had deposited the money with the bank here in Abidjan, where I am residing under political asylum with Juliet my younger sister who is 17years old.
Now the war in my country is over with the help of ECOMOG soldiers, the present government of Sierra Leone has revoked the passport of all officers who served
under the former regime and now ask countries to expel such person at the same time freeze their account and confiscate their asset, it is on this note that I
am contacting you, all I needed from you is to furnish me with your bank particulars:
1) Account name,
2) Account number
3) Bank address, telephone and fax number
4)Your private tel/fax numbers
For you to assist me transfer this money into your private bank account, the said amount is USD45Million. I am compensating you with 25% of the total money
amount,now all my hope is on you and I really wants to invest this money in your country, were their is stability of Government, political and economic welfare.
Honestly I want you to believe that This transaction is real and never a joke. My late father Chief Kamara gave me the photocopie of the certificate of deposit issued to him by the BANK on the date of deposit, and he wanted to transfer this money with the assistance of a foreigner as the beneficiary of the fund, for you to be clarify because, I do not expose my self to anybody I see, I believe that you are able to keep this transaction secret for me because this money is the hope of my life, it is important.
Please call me immediately you must have gone through my message fill free and make it urgent. That is the reason why I offered you 25% of the total money and
5% percent for local and international expenses, and in case of any other necessary expenses you might incur during this transaction.
N.B Try and negotiate for me some profitable blue cheep investment opportunities which is risky free which I can invest with this money when it is transferred to
your account, personally I am interested in estate management and hotel business.
email me immediately you receive this message for more explanation. And promise me my younger sister to be a father considering our situation and not to betray
us.
Thanks and God bless,
Best regards
SMART KAMARA
signed on Friday, the 21. of February 2003 at 01:27:26
Un Salut Akadien:
Enchanter de vous rencontrer. Lachez pas la patate! How are you, all you sons of Essau and Edomites. Bonjour aussi to all Assyrians and sons of Keturah and Abraham. Welcome to Anticosti Island, Environmental Paradise and Hunting and Fishing Capital of North America. Home of the Akadian Eagle, Baluga whale etc.
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of February 2003 at 20:20:22
Salut Akadien:
Enchanter de vous rencontrer. Lachez pas la patate! How are you, all sons of Essau and Edomites. Bonjour aussi to all Assyrians and sons of Keturah and Abraham. Welcome to Anticosti Island, Environmental Paradise and Hunting and Fishing Capital of North America. Home of the Akadian Eagle, Baluga whale etc.
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of February 2003 at 20:16:42
Salut Akadien:
Enchanter de vous rencontrer. Lachez pas la patate! How are you, all sons of Essau and Edomites. Bonjour aussi to all Assyrians and sons of Keturah and Abraham. Welcome to Anticosti Island, Environmental Paradise and Hunting and Fishing Capital of North America. Home of the Akadian Eagle, Baluga whale etc.
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of February 2003 at 20:13:07
Hi,
We move our site to the new address above. www.serbia-today.com will from now on topic society and stuff.
Greetinx from Serbia!
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of February 2003 at 10:48:05
Parew polor Hayer'
Ulan gotune bademcik ameliyati yaptigimin Turk kopegi! Nemesis senin ananin amini patlatsin oruspu cocugunun turk pici.
Senin ananin mi sikilmis len ne diye burada ha bire kendini Ermeni erkklerine siktiriyorsun oruspunun ortada kalmis ipne dolu.
Turkiye- Ermeni Ananin amini sike!
Turkiye-Azerbacyan- Vere vere gebere!
Turkiye- Kirgizistan tarafindan sikile!
Turkiye-Ozbekistan onlarin gozel karilarini sike!
Ulan yarrak kafali Turk kopegi Kirgizlar,Ozbekler sizi takmiyor it dolleri o ulkeleri ananizi siktigimin politikaniza alet ettiginizi saniyorsaniz yaniliyorsunuz.
Siz Turkler diyorsunuz Ankara, Ben diyorum benim yarragim sizin Ananizin gozel amcigindanda kara!
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of February 2003 at 05:22:23
All you need is love, healthy food, biweekly orgasm and urgent psychiatric help.
signed on Monday, the 17. of February 2003 at 21:09:21
NEMISIS, YOU ARE MY BUTT-BUDDY WHY DO YOU RUN AWAY
WHY DO I NEEED TO SLICK MY POLE ALONE WHEN YOU DO A GOOD JOB
YES YOU NEMISIS
LICK MY NUTS
AND SHAKE YOUR BOOOTIE.
YOUR LOYAL LOVER AND JERBLE SUP PLIER
OF HOT SQWERMY LOVE MACHINES
AH I LOVE ANIMELS DONT YOU NEMISIS YOU QUEEN YOU.
QUEEN OF ARMENIA I KNOW YOU LEIK ROAYLTY CUM EXPIRENSE MY ROYOL JELLY!!
YOU KNOW WAHT THE TURKS SAY
CHUKUMU YALA IBNE !!
FOR I AM THE BEST YOU CAN GET YOU CLOSET WANKER (DID I SPELL THAT RIGHT)
S U C K M Y G E R B E L H O L E
Y O U H O T F A G Y O U
K. Y. JELLY
signed on Monday, the 17. of February 2003 at 15:40:06
Turk...
The only thing that they will achieve combining all those countries, will be to make the most analphabet, barbarian, uncultural and poorest country in the world. It would be the shame of empires in all world's history.
And again you are forgeting something between turkey and azerbeidjan... ARMENIA! And no matter how many atrocities you want to make, we will allways be there as we are since 2492 B.C.
By the way... GREAT WEBSITE
signed on Sunday, the 16. of February 2003 at 22:27:01
To turk,
I could not have said it any better, my brother. You are simply stating a fact that will eventually come true. This frightens them so much that they are having bowel movements in their pants! Keep up the good work.
Turkey and Ataturk forever!!!
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 16. of February 2003 at 14:14:00
there are 7 turkish state in the world
1) Turkey
2) kýrgisthan
3) turkmenishtan
4) uzbekisthan
5) kazakhistan
6) azerbaycan
7) north cyprus
in this centry, they will combine and become super power.
signed on Sunday, the 16. of February 2003 at 09:47:26
To World Citizen,
What the hell are you talking about? I don't need to use anyone else's name, unlike some of you who go around to other sites, using my name to post all kinds of crap. Look in the mirror before you accuse someone. Has it ever entered into your pea brain that there just might be others out there that are using my handle for whatever reason? I can't control who, in the entire world, could be doing this. Obviously, there's a prankster out there. And yes, I have been reading some of these posts. They do not fit the character of the original person. I've been writing on this site for months. I would think by now that some of you would be able to recognize my writing style. I DO NOT DEVIATE!! So, don't accuse me of something that I haven't done!
STEVE
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 20:20:54
Steve??? are you doing the same dirty business again? why do you use the Nemesis' name to post false messages. you do the same at genocide.com
shame on you sulaiman
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 18:42:56
nemesis yemin ettim, önce kýzkardesini sikeceðim. sonra da ananýn amýný yalayacaðým
ý will take visa to come to europe or usa.armnians girl become ready for me.
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 12:29:07
Hey, circumsized turkish filth.....go wash your shity asshole and wait for General Skobelev!
The best turk is the dead turk!
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 11:17:32
To all of my Armenian compatriots,
I have been living a lie. I have come to realize that what we are doing is totally wrong. We are living in the past. I will come forward and admit that we are really the true barbarians. We murdered millions, yet we are such cowards that we must blame others for something that we instigated a century ago. I will also take this opportunity to come out of the closet and let everyone know that I am a GAY Armenian. I am not ashamed of this. My decision to come out has nothing to do with the fact that our women look like men with excessive hair all over their bodies, and really bad body odor. I want to tell you World Citizen, that I have always had wet dreams at night every time that I think about you. Will you share your love with me? I will be waiting for your answer, my little man whore. Just to let you know, I will be spending my time at Genocide.com for the next few weeks. I must tell the whole world to truth about how phony we are. Maybe I can pick up a guy, or two. It's so nice being homo! Come, my Armenian brothers...let us all come out of the closets together. Rejoice!
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 02:54:12
To all of my Armenian compatriots,
I have been living a lie. I have come to realize that what we are doing is totally wrong. We are living in the past. I will come forward and admit that we are really the true barbarians. We murdered millions, yet we are such cowards that we must blame others for something that we instigated a century ago. I will also take this opportunity to come out of the closet and let everyone know that I am a GAY Armenian. I am not ashamed of this. My decision to come out has nothing to do with the fact that our women look like men with excessive hair all over their bodies, and really bad body odor. I want to tell you World Citizen, that I have always had wet dreams at night every time that I think about you. Will you share your love with me? I will be waiting for your answer, my little man whore. Just to let you know, I will be spending my time at Genocide.com for the next few weeks. I must tell the whole world to truth about how phony we are. Maybe I can pick up a guy, or two. It's so nice being homo! Come, my Armenian brothers...let us all come out of the closets together. Rejoice!
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 02:42:40
To all of my Armenian compatriots,
I have been living a lie. I have come to realize that what we are doing is totally wrong. We are living in the past. I will come forward and admit that we are really the true barbarians. We murdered millions, yet we are such cowards that we must blame others for something that we instigated a century ago. I will also take this opportunity to come out of the closet and let everyone know that I am a GAY Armenian. I am not ashamed of this. My decision to come out has nothing to do with the fact that our women look like men with excessive hair all over their bodies, and really bad body odor. I want to tell you World Citizen, that I have always had wet dreams at night every time that I think about you. Will you share your love with me? I will be waiting for your answer, my little man whore. Just to let you know, I will be spending my time at Genocide.com for the next few weeks. I must tell the whole world to truth about how phony we are. Maybe I can pick up a guy, or two. It's so nice being homo! Come, my Armenian brothers...let us all come out of the closets together. Rejoice!
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 02:36:38
To all of my Armenian compatriots,
I have been living a lie. I have come to realize that what we are doing is totally wrong. We are living in the past. I will come forward and admit that we are really the true barbarians. We murdered millions, yet we are such cowards that we must blame others for something that we instigated a century ago. I will also take this opportunity to come out of the closet and let everyone know that I am a GAY Armenian. I am not ashamed of this. My decision to come out has nothing to do with the fact that our women look like men with excessive hair all over their bodies, and really bad body odor. I want to tell you World Citizen, that I have always had wet dreams at night every time that I think about you. Will you share your love with me? I will be waiting for your answer, my little man whore. Just to let you know, I will be spending my time at Genocide.com for the next few weeks. I must tell the whole world to truth about how phony we are. Maybe I can pick up a guy, or two. It's so nice being homo! Come, my Armenian brothers...let us all come out of the closets together. Rejoice!
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 02:33:09
To Eskishhiden nameler,
Listen, you kuk oudelic shoon...IT IS ISTANBUL, not konstatinopolis. Get that through your pea-sized head! Stop living in the past, aboosh. Now go and myruht kooneh!!!
STEVE
signed on Saturday, the 15. of February 2003 at 02:07:47
This steve(sulaiman) is just like Sad-damn. He gets his ass kicked, he runw away, and from a distance claims a victory.
Nemesis, thank you for the kind words...but, whatever we do, isn't enough. I don't know about you and the others, but I get ready to return home(in the next 20-25y.). I get ready to return to Nakhijevan where my family is originaly from. The barbarian turks have no place in the Paradise.
signed on Friday, the 14. of February 2003 at 11:27:41
Ulan tarlada siktigimin Turk pici Magnifik Solomon, sen hala burada otlamaya davammi ediyorsun?
Ulan got lalesi gotunu pompaladigimin ipne dolu!
Ulan amcik suratli bu yalanlari ananin amindanmi biciyorsun Mongol kopek!
Senin her tarafini havaya ucurdugumun iti?
Gotune bademcik ameliyati yaptigimin zeki Muren kilikli disi kopegi!
Bana bak oglum bu sogukta beni soyletme Ermeni sikimi o guzel gotune sokarsm bir daha cikarmam anladinmi nonosh Turk!
signed on Friday, the 14. of February 2003 at 08:17:38
Well, congratulations World citizen!
I have just visited Genocide.com. You don’t need me there
The turk is loosing his temper. I have to admit you are good.
I will redirect him to some Greek and Bulgarian websites to see the complete picture of the turkish crimes against mankind. I only wonder, what contra-argument the turk will use this time.
My guess is that he will accuse them of killing another 2-3 million turks.
One might think that no matter how many turks died of diseases as a result of decomposed corps caused by their own barbarism, it hadn’t been enough.
signed on Friday, the 14. of February 2003 at 00:05:04
To World Citizen and Nemesis:
I invite both of you parasites to Genocide.com, so that you can explain to the entire world how killing 2.5 million innocent people by the ARMENIANS is not considered a GENOCIDE! Face the truth! You just can't have it both ways! Stop hiding in this site...MURDERS/KILLERS/ASSASSINS!!!
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 13. of February 2003 at 22:47:37
:)Nemesis, i should now tell you the same.
The world already know the truth about the armenian genocide. Don't even try to expalian what the truth is. Why to waste a time. The turk at genocide.com only insults people ...AND NOTHING ELSE
This guy works for the turkish government. BTW, he and two others in the forum got already their asses kicked. An idiot from a forum even calls himslef John Kennedy:)
Think how lost this idiots are
They ONLY argue by insulting people
Not a single time he could have prove anything
'where the turk goes, no green grass grows'
signed on Wednesday, the 12. of February 2003 at 15:59:58
Yeah LOL come to genocide.com and learn more about the armenain genocide and the turkish lies. Being a racist as you are, you always keep talking about the Aryans Vs Muslims.
Make a new force with Bin Laden and come meet us again. Seems Karabakh wasn't enough for you. Genocide.com is a place where the records are well kept. Come again have your ass to be kicked by the well documented facts.
'where the turk goes, no green grass grows'
signed on Wednesday, the 12. of February 2003 at 15:29:46
Yeah LOL come to genocide.com and learn more about the armenain genocide and the turkish lies. Being a racist as you are, you always keep talking about the Aryans Vs Muslims.
Make a new force with Bin Laden and come meet us again. Seems Karabakh wasn't enough for you. Genocide.com is a place where the records are well kept. Come again have your ass to be kicked by the well documented facts.
'where the turk goes, no green grass grows'
signed on Wednesday, the 12. of February 2003 at 15:23:46
To World citizen:
Don't waste your time with this turk. His paranoia and stupidity are chronic. When you are short of excuses you simply made one. Turks never got the chance to study their own history objectively. Their history books were rewritten in a way that they might fit the bloody leadership of this fake country.
Only a pure psycho can believe these lies. Ottoman Empire was the empire of the turks who had army, artillery and all the rest. Those "bloody" Armenians should have been real monsters killing turks armed to teeth with bare hands. Just present them the cold facts.
After all who cares weather they will admit the wrongdoing of their forefathers.
signed on Wednesday, the 12. of February 2003 at 10:22:51
To The World Citizen:
Aren't you tired of me kicking your ass all of the time? Now, go back to that Genocide site (and learn well how your "people" murdered 2.5 million innocent Turkish, Arab, Tartar, Jewish, Azeri, and other non-aryan lives). Repent and ask forgiveness from the world!
Remember:
Where the Armenian goes, welfare case workers are sure to follow (with many cans of disinfectant, to neutralize the stench)!!!
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 11. of February 2003 at 23:36:26
To The World Citizen:
Aren't you tired of me kicking your ass all of the time? Now, go back to that Genocide site (and learn well how your "people" murdered 2.5 million innocent Turkish, Arab, Tartar, Jewish, Azeri, and other non-aryan lives). Repent and ask forgiveness from the world!
Remember:
Where the Armenian goes, welfare case workers are sure to follow (with many cans of disinfectant, to neutralize the stench)!!!
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 11. of February 2003 at 23:33:19
please i will like to know much about your tribe and nation. i can be reach on 2348035522150, this will be very good for my research work
signed on Tuesday, the 11. of February 2003 at 16:45:05
gotu buyuk mongol turku, seni yalniz sikmek degil ancak buyuk yarragimi sana emdirmekle tatmin olabilirim. ibne ataturkun yahudi pici size bir devlet kurdu ama siz ibnelik ve orospuluk yapip dunyada rezil oldunuz.sizi sikmek butun hiristiyan dunyanin borcudur ve cok yakin bir gelecekte gerceklesecektir. hayvan turu gel seni anani karini ve bacini bana ver bak nasil buyuk yarragimi yediokten sonra senden artik nefret edeceklerdir. anani siken hiristiyan.
signed on Monday, the 10. of February 2003 at 21:47:24
gotu buyuk mongol turku, seni yalniz sikmek degil ancak buyuk yarragimi sana emdirmekle tatmin olabilirim. ibne ataturkun yahudi pici size bir devlet kurdu ama siz ibnelik ve orospuluk yapip dunyada rezil oldunuz.sizi sikmek butun hiristiyan dunyanin borcudur ve cok yakin bir gelecekte gerceklesecektir. hayvan turu gel seni anani karini ve bacini bana ver bak nasil buyuk yarragimi yediokten sonra senden artik nefret edeceklerdir. anani siken hiristiyan.
signed on Monday, the 10. of February 2003 at 21:44:05
'where the turk goes, no green grass grows'
signed on Monday, the 10. of February 2003 at 16:01:14
Ulan yarrak kafali Turk pici senin neren Magnifik lan yoksa gotunmu Magnifik?
Ananin amcugu'da magnifikmi?
Oruspu dolune bak ulan seni ananin amina dol diye gonderen o babanin got deligini sikeyim oruspu cocugu SULEYMAN pici!
Huysuz Virjin Turk orjin homo!
signed on Monday, the 10. of February 2003 at 14:00:18
Hey Nemesis,
What are you going to do if he gets too close to you...BREATH ON HIM?!!!
WHERE NEMESIS GOES...NO GRASS GROWS!
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 09. of February 2003 at 15:01:57
Hey Nemesis,
What are you going to do if he gets to close to you...BREATH ON HIM?!!!
WHERE NEMESIS GOES...NO GRASS GROWS!
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 09. of February 2003 at 14:58:43
Ulan Turk pici sen benim anami kendi anan ile karsilastiyorsun Turko pinconun turk dolu. bu resime iyi bak Turk homo'su tipki senin Baban!!
signed on Sunday, the 09. of February 2003 at 13:46:25
Hey filth,
I don't understand even a word of your altaic language. Too bad the ugly American Sami Weems had to report to his Boss, otherwise I might have asked him for translation.
Don't even think about coming close (as oppose to near) to me, because that would be your last rapprochement before joining Weems in the eternal hunting fields.
signed on Saturday, the 08. of February 2003 at 18:00:43
ulan ermeni köpeði,yarak delisi, siki kalkmaz hamamoðlaný
hiç anana çekmemiþsin.anan çok kibar bir hatundu. bana hürmette kusur etmezdi. her sikiþten sonra bir daha sikmem için yalvarýrdý.
sen ise daha yaraðý yemeden huysuzlaþýyorsun.ama zamanla alýþacaksýn.ne de olsa siz millet olarak baþkalarýnýn yaraðýný yemeye alýþkýnsýnýz. iþiniz gücünüz yarak kollekisyonu yapmak.
tabi ki sikmek te bizim vazifemiz.
nemesis,ý said before that where is your sister.send it to me. ý want her.otherwise ý will come near you and.........
signed on Saturday, the 08. of February 2003 at 07:46:48
wonderfull guestbook i reach here
signed on Friday, the 07. of February 2003 at 16:31:16
Parev Nemesis, yesem Kharpertsi. yes mish ko modem.irenk chen garogh.
Hey Turk kopegi zirla lan yarak yemis travesti klikli oruspu enigi!
Selebers Turks homos and travesti
Bulunt Ersoy
Zeki Muren
Girl Hasan
Aydin
Fatih Urek
Devran Caglar
And Ceyhan (Sisi)
signed on Friday, the 07. of February 2003 at 14:42:13
I would like to thank people who made this amazing site very much for their commitment and effort. For someone like me - being of Armenian origin and brought up in a different cultural context - your site is a priceless introduction to our immense cultural and historical heritage. Shnorakalyutsyun
signed on Friday, the 07. of February 2003 at 02:44:00
I prefer clean shaved turkish p....., esp. the ones that have undergone europeanization in Germany.
And plus they are soooo cheap...:-)
signed on Thursday, the 06. of February 2003 at 15:10:08
fuck of dirty armenian.
ý fuck all armenians.ý love turks very much.
all armenians are homosexsuel and every days wants penis like you
signed on Thursday, the 06. of February 2003 at 09:22:56
Ulan anasini sulalesi Ermeni yarragi yemis Turk pici senin ananin o gucuk bacinin ammini oyle bir oturrumki
Sorun Ermeni Soykirimi degil sorunu sizin gibi pic bir irkin var olmasi.
Olum Ermeniler senin irkini sikmis senin haberin yok. bak biz muslumanlik kisvesi altinda sizin karilarinizi sikiyoruz.
Sizi siken milletlerin hadi hesabi yok gelen gecmis giden gecmis Rumlar,Ermeniler,Italyanlar,Ingilizler ,Ruslar sizin yasadiginiz topraklardan gecerken saglam amcikmi biraktilar saniyorsun hepsini tek tek becerdik.
bak gozel bir Turk kizi cikardiniz adi neydi? Azra Akin simdi ben sana tac giydirir bende seni MHP guzeli secerim .
Bacaklarini ac! sesini kes !fazla acitmayacam bacagini kaldiracam Ermeni yaragimmi sokacam sonra CAARRRRTTTT diye bir ses duyacaksin. sonra sokacam cikaracam, sokacam cikaracam sonra senin icine Ermeni dolumu bosaltacam oxxx Turk Erkek sikmek nede guzel.
Bak bizim komsunun 12 yasindaki oglu Mustafayi cok guzel sikiyorum kaninda var orjin Turk tipki Bulent abisi gibi.
Ermeniler sizin Azerileri nasil siktiler senin Turk irkinida oyle sikecegiz surati shish gozleri cekik mongol dolu!!
Dunyanin en buyuk pic milleti sizdedir
Her yeriniz Travesti Turk dolmus, bozukluk senin o serefsiz Turk pici irkinin kaninda var.
Ermeni soykirimini inkar eden bot borusu oruspu cocuklari size boyle davranilir oruspunun veledi.
Ulan agzi ile gotu yer degitrmis Mongol dolu pic Turk. ben varligim sana bagli ha ulan Anasini siktigimin Turk pincosu sen kimsinki benim varligim sana bagli zeki Muren kilikli maymun dolu.
Senin ve senin irkinin anasini amini Hiyar tarlasina cevirdigimin dolu.
Ermeni kadar yarrak girsin o gucuk bacina.
Olum Almanya'da az Turk kizi kendini siktirmiyor belki senin bacinda siktiyordur kendini.
Simdi ben senin laflari asagi indiririm ananin amini ole bir siktiririki TURK pici.
Kucuk erkek kardesin varmi ben lahmacun satiyorum ghetir buraya sikeyim sonra ikinizede lahmacun hediye edeyim ha nedersin?
Ermeni tuvaleryine dusmus oruspu veledi senin ananin amina ucak gibi girer kamyon gibi cikarim
Bulanik sican Ermeni yarragi yemis Turk dolu
Sizi Kurdlerde az sikmiyor degil beraber sikiyoruz sizi.
TURK ERKEK SIKEN YOKMU? var var Kili Ermeni Turk erkek sikmeye aday davranin Mustafa'yi sikmeye gidiyoruz.
signed on Thursday, the 06. of February 2003 at 08:29:36
At least we should give them credit for writing in Latin::)))))))
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 20:01:22
The animals are back again. Turkey seems to be too small for this leftover.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 18:19:05
KENDI IRKININ EN SEREFSIZI VE SEVIYESIZI TOTOS GIBI TURKCE KONUSAN TASAK OGLANI ERMENI VE SENINLE AYNI FIKRI SAVUNAN LAVUKLAR;
1)BU DUNYA VAR OLDUGUNDAN BERI SIZIN GIBI LOLOS IRKLARI BIZ YONETTIK BIZ YONETECEZ
2)SIZIN DE TABIKI BU DUNYADA MARIFETLERINIZ VAR; KALLESLIK, OROSPULUK, DEDIKODU, TOTOSLUGUN VE LOLOSLUGUN ILERI SEVIYELERI, EYLEM ANINDA GOTUNU KISTIRIP KACMA AMA BOYLE INTERNET ORTAMINDA CESARET GOSTERME, EN ONEMLISI SOYKIRIM DIYE BIR FANTEZI URETIP YILLAR BOYUNCA BUNDAN HAZ ALIP GOTUNU PARMAKLAMA VESAIRE VESAIRE
3) HEPINIZIN KANINDA NE YAZIKKI TURKLUK VAR CUNKU BIZIM OROSPU MILLETLERI FETHETTIGMIZDE BIRINCI VAZIFEMIZ ONLAR KILICTAN DEGIL YARRAKTAN GECIRMEKTIR YANI ANANANIZLA BOZKURTLAR IYI TANISIYOR AMA NE YAZIKKI SIZIN GIBI FINO KOPEKLERI DOGDU
4)BIZ 80 MILYON DEGIL 530 MILYONUZ OROSPU ERMENI 1MIZ SIZIN 100 UNUZE ESIT OLDUGUNA GORE NELER OLABILECEGINI SENIN GIBI BIR GERIZEKALI BILE HESAPLAYABILIR NEDE OLSA ANANDAN KALMA BIR TURK KANI VAR
5)EGER GERCEKTEN BU KADAR CESURSAN BIZIM CESARETE SAYGIMIZDA VAR BURDAN OROSPULUK YAPMADA YERINI SOYLE BARI SEREFINLE OL SAVUNDUGUN ILKELERI ICIN AMA SIZIN MILLETTE O YUREK NE GEZER ANCA KARI GIBI LAF URETME BASKA BI BOK YOK ZATEB BU KAPASITED BIR MILLETDENDE BASKA BISEY BEKLENEMEZ
BAK UNUTMA LOLOS ERMENI BIZ SIZE GERCEKTEN SOYKIRIM YAPSAYDIK NE SEN NE DE SENIN TUREVLERIN BU SITEDE GEZINECEKTI VEYA BOYLE BIR SITE OLACAKTI
O YUZDEN VARLIGININ KIYMETINI BIL O BUYUK ERMENISTAN BIR HAYALDIR BOS BIR HAYAL BUYUK EY SIZ ESKI KOLE ULUSLAR NE OLDU HEMEN EFENDI OLMUSSUNUZ KONUSUN UYUYAN BU MILLETE KAHPELIKLERINIZ AZDIR
UYANDIRIN BIZI UYANDIRIN YAKINDIR ANANIZIN AMINA KACMANIZ YAKINDIR
DAHA IKI ELIYLE BIR SIKI DOGRULTAMAYAN SIZLER
BU MILLET AYAGA KALKTIGINDA YINE CALACAK KILESINIZDE ZILLER
BAGIRACAKSINIZ;TURKLER GELIYOR TURKLER GELIYOR ANAMIZI SIKECEKLER!
EVET BU KAHPELIKLERINIZDEN DOLAYI ANANIZI SIKECEGIZ UNUTMAYIN BUNU!
TURK INTIKAM TUGAYI
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 13:29:04
KENDI IRKININ EN SEREFSIZI VE SEVIYESIZI TOTOS GIBI TURKCE KONUSAN TASAK OGLANI ERMENI VE SENINLE AYNI FIKRI SAVUNAN LAVUKLAR;
1)BU DUNYA VAR OLDUGUNDAN BERI SIZIN GIBI LOLOS IRKLARI BIZ YONETTIK BIZ YONETECEZ
2)SIZIN DE TABIKI BU DUNYADA MARIFETLERINIZ VAR; KALLESLIK, OROSPULUK, DEDIKODU, TOTOSLUGUN VE LOLOSLUGUN ILERI SEVIYELERI, EYLEM ANINDA GOTUNU KISTIRIP KACMA AMA BOYLE INTERNET ORTAMINDA CESARET GOSTERME, EN ONEMLISI SOYKIRIM DIYE BIR FANTEZI URETIP YILLAR BOYUNCA BUNDAN HAZ ALIP GOTUNU PARMAKLAMA VESAIRE VESAIRE
3) HEPINIZIN KANINDA NE YAZIKKI TURKLUK VAR CUNKU BIZIM OROSPU MILLETLERI FETHETTIGMIZDE BIRINCI VAZIFEMIZ ONLAR KILICTAN DEGIL YARRAKTAN GECIRMEKTIR YANI ANANANIZLA BOZKURTLAR IYI TANISIYOR AMA NE YAZIKKI SIZIN GIBI FINO KOPEKLERI DOGDU
4)BIZ 80 MILYON DEGIL 530 MILYONUZ OROSPU ERMENI 1 SIZIN 100 UNUZE ESIT OLDUGUNA GORE NELER OLABILECEGINI SENIN GIBI BIR GERIZEKALI BILE HESAPLAYABILIR NEDE OLSA ANANDAN KALMA BIR TURK KANI VAR
5)EGER GERCEKTEN BU KADAR CESURSAN BIZIM CESARETE SAYGIMIZDA VAR BURDAN OROSPULUK YAPMADA YERINI SOYLE BARI SEREFINLE OL SAVUNDUGUN ILKELERI ICIN AMA SIZIN MILLETTE O YUREK NE GEZER ANCA KARI GIBI LAF URETME BASKA BI BOK YOK ZATEB BU KAPASITED BIR MILLETDENDE BASKA BISEY BEKLENEMEZ
BAK UNUTMA LOLOS ERMENI BIZ SIZE GERCEKTEN SOYKIRIM YAPSAYDIK NE SEN NE DE SENIN TUREVLERIN BU SITEDE GEZINECEKTI VEYA BOYLE BIR SITE OLACAKTI
O YUZDEN VARLIGININ KIYMETINI BIL O BUYUK ERMENISTAN BIR HAYALDIR BOS BIR HAYAL BUYUK EY SIZ ESKI KOLE ULUSLAR NE OLDU HEMEN EFENDI OLMUSSUNUZ KONUSUN UYUYAN BU MILLETE KAHPELIKLERINIZ AZDIR
UYANDIRIN BIZI UYANDIRIN YAKINDIR ANANIZIN AMINA KACMANIZ YAKINDIR
DAHA IKI ELIYLE BIR SIKI DOGRULTAMAYAN SIZLER
BU MILLET AYAGA KALKTIGINDA YINE CALACAK KILESINIZDE ZILLER
BAGIRACAKSINIZ;TURKLER GELIYOR TURKLER GELIYOR ANAMIZI SIKECEKLER!
EVET BU KAHPELIKLERINIZDEN DOLAYI ANANIZI SIKECEGIZ UNUTMAYIN BUNU!
TURK INTIKAM TUGAYI
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 13:25:50
KENDI IRKININ EN SEREFSIZI VE SEVIYESIZI TOTOS GIBI TURKCE KONUSAN TASAK OGLANI ERMENI VE SENINLE AYNI FIKRI SAVUNAN LAVUKLAR;
1)BU DUNYA VAR OLDUGUNDAN BERI SIZIN GIBI LOLOS IRKLARI BIZ YONETTIK BIZ YONETECEZ
2)SIZIN DE TABIKI BU DUNYADA MARIFETLERINIZ VAR; KALLESLIK, OROSPULUK, DEDIKODU, TOTOSLUGUN VE LOLOSLUGUN ILERI SEVIYELERI, EYLEM ANINDA GOTUNU KISTIRIP KACMA AMA BOYLE INTERNET ORTAMINDA CESARET GOSTERME, EN ONEMLISI SOYKIRIM DIYE BIR FANTEZI URETIP YILLAR BOYUNCA BUNDAN HAZ ALIP GOTUNU PARMAKLAMA VESAIRE VESAIRE
3) HEPINIZIN KANINDA NE YAZIKKI TURKLUK VAR CUNKU BIZIM OROSPU MILLETLERI FETHETTIGMIZDE BIRINCI VAZIFEMIZ ONLAR KILICTAN DEGIL YARRAKTAN GECIRMEKTIR YANI ANANANIZLA BOZKURTLAR IYI TANISIYOR NE YAZIKKI SIZIM GIBI FINO KOPEKLERI DOGDU
4)BIZ 80 MILYON DEGIL 530 MILYONUZ OROSPU ERMENI 1 SIZIN 100 UNUZE ESIT OLDUGUNA GORE SENIN GIBI BIR GERIZEKALI BILE BUNU HESAPLAYABILIR NEDE OLSA ANANDAN KALMA BIR TURK KANI VAR
5)EGER GERCEKTEN BU KADAR CESURSUN BIZIM CESARETE SAYGIMIZDA VAR BURDAN OROSPULUK YAPMADA YERINI SOYLE BARI SEREFINLE OL SAVUNDUGUN ILKELERI ICIN AMA SIZIN MILLETTE O YUREK NE GEZER
BAK UNUTMA LOLOS ERMENI BIZ SIZE GERCEKTEN SOYKIRIM YAPSAYDIK NE SEN NE DE SENIN TUREVLERIN BU SITEDE GEZINECEKTI VEYA BOYLE BIR SITE OLACAKTI
O YUZDEN VARLIGININ KIYMETINI BIL O BUYUK ERMENISTAN BIR HAYALDIR BOS BIR HAYAL BUYUK EY SIZ ESKI KOLE ULUSLAR NE OLDU HEMEN EFENDI OLMUSSUNUZ KONUSUN UYUYAN BU MILLETE KAHPELIKLERINIZ AZDIR
UYANDIRIN BIZI UYANDIRIN YAKINDIR ANANIZIN AMINA KACMANIZ YAKINDIR
DAHA IKI ELIYLE BIR SIKI DOGRULTAMAYAN SIZLER
BU MILLET AYAGA KALKTIGINDA YINE CALACAK KILESINIZDE ZILLER
TURKLER GELIYOR ANAMIZI SIKECEKLER!
EVET BU KAHPELIKLERINIZDEN ANANIZI SIKECEGIZ UNUTMAYIN BUNU!
TURK INTIKAM TUGAYI
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 13:21:40
On behalf of myself and my deceased grandfather, I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Hopefully for their own sake, they will realise the importance of the role Armenia and it's people played in the past and will continue to do so. (Such as the inventor of MRI)
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity.
Never lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Remember a reputation is what others think of you, but a character is what you really are, however don't let pride get the best of you it is the deadlist of vices.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many times individual Armenians and the nationn as a collective have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through, just as he did our forefathers.
A great nation is like a great man,
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 07:16:13
On behalf of the legion I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Hopefully for their own sake, they will realise the importance of the role Armenia and it's people played in the past and will continue to do so. (Such as the inventor of MRI)
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity.
Never lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Remember a reputation is what others think of you, but a character is what you really are, however don't let pride get the best of you it is the deadlist of vices.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many times individual Armenians and the nationn as a collective have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through, just as he did our forefathers.
A great nation is like a great man,
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts.
The 4 is eternally greatful.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 06:24:45
On behalf of the legion I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Hopefully for their own sake, they will realise the importance of the role Armenia and it's people played in the past and will continue to do so. (Such as the inventor of MRI)
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity.
Never lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Remember a reputation is what others think of you, but a character is what you really are, however don't let pride get the best of you it is the deadlist of vices.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many times individual Armenians and the nationn as a collective have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through, just as he did our forefathers.
A great nation is like a great man,
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts.
The 4 is eternally greatful.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 06:20:56
On behalf of the four I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Hopefully for their own sake, they will realise the importance of the role of Armenia and it's people played in the past and in the near future.
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity. Remember a reputation is what others think of you, your character is what you really are, but don't let pride get the best of you.
Do not lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many Armenians have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through.
A great nation is like a great man,
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 04:52:19
On behalf of the four I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Hopefully for their own sake, they will realise the importance of the role of Armenia and it's people played in the past and in the near future.
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity. Remember a reputation is what others think of you, your character is what you really are, but don't let pride get the best of you.
Do not lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many Armenians have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through.
A great nation is like a great man,
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts.
The 4 is eternally grateful.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 04:34:16
On behalf of the legion I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Hopefully for their own sake, they will realise the importance of the role of Armenia and it's people played in the past and in the near future.
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity. Remember a reputation is what others think of you, your character is what you really are, but don't let pride get the best of you.
Do not lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many Armenians have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through.
A great nation is like a great man,
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 04:24:33
On behalf of the legion I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in, literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Soon they will realise the importance of the role of Armenia and it's people played in the past and in the near future.
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity, remember a reputation is what others think of you, your character is what you really are.
Do not lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many Armenians have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through.
There is no way TO peace, peace IS the way.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 04:07:47
On behalf of the legion I would like to commend you on the extraordinary effort you have made to establish this site. It is a wonderfully structured site.
I hope the peoples of the world will see how Armenia is a refined nation in, literature, music, arts, sports, nature, sciences and technologies. Soon they will realise the importance of the role of Armenia and it's people played in the past and in the near future.
Continue your tremendous work, don't let immature rantings from uneducated and misinformed enemies of liberty deviate you from your path or create doubt in your faith or in yourselves.
All Armenians should take example from the authors of this site. They will benefit their country most in promoting their nation throughout the world, not through an aggressive stance in a losing fight with ignorance, but like our forefathers through a peaceful intelligent stance. Evolve ourselves and waste not your efforts in proving others wrong. Your proof is through the actions in your lives - live a good, honest life and no-one can say a word about your integrity, remember a reputation is what others think of you, your character is what you really are.
Do not lower yourself in order to retaliate against those that are so absorbed in their own pride that the truth is obscured by the split blood of civil men.
Young Armenians believe in your religion, believe in your nation, believe in your brothers, and most importantly believe in yourselves. Many Armenians have risen to grandeur, so can you. Nothing comes easy - but have determination and stick to your convictions and God shall see you through.
There is no way TO peace, peace IS the way.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of February 2003 at 04:01:19
To all you turks writing in your dirty language, GET LOST!! find your own web page to write your propaganda! YOU SICKEN ALL OF US.
signed on Tuesday, the 04. of February 2003 at 18:55:30
"For Azerbaijan the issue of Karabakh is a matter of ambition, for the Armenians of Karabakh it is a matter of life or death"
Academician Andrei Sakharov, Sovit Human Rights Activist-Nobel Prize Laureate
signed on Monday, the 03. of February 2003 at 21:21:19
http://www.aliyev.com
All about Azerbaijan. massacres, genocide, rape, cultural genocide
alos can be seen at http://www.genocide.com/
signed on Monday, the 03. of February 2003 at 12:12:45
http://www.aliyev.com
All about Azerbaijan. massacres, genocide, rape, cultural genocide
alos can be seen at http://www.genocide.com/
signed on Monday, the 03. of February 2003 at 12:08:49
http://www.armenianreality.com/
signed on Monday, the 03. of February 2003 at 09:06:21
The Armenian Genocide has started with 1894 massacres during which 300,000 people were killed. In 1909 40,000 armenains were killed in Adana. From 1915-23 over 1.5 million armenians were massacred along with 1,000.000 Greeks, Assyrians. When Steve claimed in genocide.com that the greeks and the armenians don't like each other, the first thing crossed my mind was "this guy is up to something". Now we see that the turk who claims to be a greek armenian, is willing to teach us a lesson about the genocide.
Well, thanks-but no thanks. Come to genocide.com and see the true, recorded facts.
If you wanna win the battle, win it with dignity. Come to genocide.com and stand face to face with the enemy.
signed on Sunday, the 26. of January 2003 at 19:29:54
The Armenian Genocide has started with 1894 massacres during which 300,000 people were killed. In 1909 40,000 armenains were killed in Adana. From 1915-23 over 1.5 million armenians were massacred along with 1,000.000 the Greeks, Assyrians. When Steve claimed in genocide.com that the greeks and the armenians don't like each other, the first thing crossed my mind was "this guy is up to something". Now we see that a turk who claims to be a greek armenian, is willing to teach us a lesson about the genocide.
Well, thanks-but no thanks. Come to genocide.com and see the true, recorded facts.
signed on Sunday, the 26. of January 2003 at 19:22:18
Turkey needs democracy and the worst way to achieve this goal is by inclusion into the EU. The policies of "close your eyes and I will kiss you" were destined to die with the end of the Cold war.
Your assumption that Christians were "happy" under Ottoman rule is a bland lie. Have you ever heard about "blood" tax, or the regulations about the height of the Churches, or the wooden bells, not to disturb our Muslim "brothers".
Armenian Genocide was not motivated only by religious or ethnic hatred. Expropriation of Armenian and in general (Christian) properties served as economical backbone for the Turkish revolution during the last days of the Empire.
I don't know what is your definition of Genocide, but if you kill a war criminal or simply a perverted turkish pasha as a revenge, and then if those same animals kill 100 women and children that is a crime against humanity, no matter what wording you would use. Denying that fact has to do with the popular saying: "In God we trust".
signed on Sunday, the 26. of January 2003 at 11:38:32
Hello to everyone.
I am greek armenian. I saw in your website a new war between Turks and Armenians. I want to inform you about greek and turkish relationships.
In 2003 the greek - turkish relationships are good, but greeks we dont like Turks. The only hope of Greece is to be Turkey a member of European Union.
We believe this is the only way to stop the "agressive" behavior of Turkey.
Turkey needs democracy!!!!
Lets see my point of view about History.
Turks are the offspring of Ottomans. Ottoman Empire was a good state about cristian religion but it was very hard in cristian people about taxes. Ottomans "stole" Greeks and other nations with taxes.
In 1821 Greeks and other nations in Balkan tried to be free. At first Greeks won the town of "Tripolis". The best Greek leader "Kolokotronis" killed 8.000 of Turkish children and women. This was a great decision, dont forget there were war!!! After this Turks killed many Greeks. In Mesologi the town of Lord Byron, in Chios island, In Psara island Turks killed every one. Without the help of European Nations Greece would not be indypendent.
So Greeks begun the fight but Turks killed more.
Why Greeks begun the fight? Because Turks turtore them!!!
I believe the same for Armenian genocide!!!
Armenians begun the fight because Turks stole and torture them. Armenians maby fought first, but Turks killed more.
The same was in Cyprous. GreekCypriots killed some TurkCypriots in 1960s so gave the oportunity to Turks to take the best part of the island and to kill thousands of people.
Turks were and are very agressive. They tortured nations, as a resault the nations wanted their freedom. Freedom brings blood. Greeks killed 1, Turks killed 10. Armenian killed 1, Turks killed 100.
I traveled in Kusadasi last year as a turist. Turkey is like Greece in 1980. Is a poor country. I hope the best for the good Turkish people, but I didnt like them. They gave us a bad room in a good hotel. We told them to change the room and they did it without any other word.
I drunk Turkish cofee and it was bad tasted. {If you came in Greece please drink "frape" (cold cofee) you will remember me. I ate in a "good" restorant sish kebap (like suvlaki) and it was not good. Suvlaki is better.
Only in Hotel restorant I ate good food.
Another bad behavior of Turks was the "habbit" of making mistakes in bills and in check out.
I know there are good Turks, I know there are peacefull Turks, I know there are clever Turks. I think it is better for them to Apologise for the killing of Armenian people, of Kurdish people, of Greeks. If Turks will Be changed the European Union is the only road for peace and economical evolution.
Dont kill other people in your prison Turks. Dont kill Ochalan. Dont kill the peace in Cyprous. Dont kill the history. You dont speak about Kurdistan today as you didnt speak about Armenia.
Armenian and Turks cant be friends, Greeks and Turks cant be friends but can be good neibours (I killed this word). Aegean sea is Greek Sea not Greek and Turkish!! In Greece we believe that Turks wants the Aegean...thats why they tell to us that "we are friends" and "we have same civilasation and culture". My "friend" I dont want to give you my island.
I am very pround about my origin. I was surprised when a friend of mine told me that he met an TurkArmenian. Is this madness or a Miracle?? Is love and family the only medicine for the pain of history? I hope TurkArmenians to live well, I am afraid that they may feel lonely, because they are not "clear Turks" or "clear Armenians".
I feel bad when I read unpolite words in this web site. Dont be nationalist. We are lucky to live in 2003. It is a better world. Armenians Turks dont forget your good history, be polite.
FUCK THE PAST, KISS THE FUTURE
signed on Friday, the 24. of January 2003 at 15:51:45
Hello to everyone.
I am greek armenian. I saw in your website a new war between Turks and Armenians. I want to inform you about greek and turkish relationships.
In 2003 the greek - turkish relationships are good, but greeks we dont like Turks. The only hope of Greece is to be Turkey a member of European Union.
We believe this is the only way to stop the "agressive" behavior of Turkey.
Turkey needs democracy!!!!
Lets see my point of view about History.
Turks are the offspring of Ottomans. Ottoman Empire was a good state about cristian religion but it was very hard in cristian people about taxes. Ottomans "stole" Greeks and other nations with taxes.
In 1821 Greeks and other nations in Balkan tried to be free. At first Greeks won the town of "Tripolis". The best Greek leader "Kolokotronis" killed 8.000 of Turkish children and women. This was a great decision, dont forget there were war!!! After this Turks killed many Greeks. In Mesologi the town of Lord Byron, in Chios island, In Psara island Turks killed every one. Without the help of European Nations Greece would not be indypendent.
So Greeks begun the fight but Turks killed more.
Why Greeks begun the fight? Because Turks turtore them!!!
I believe the same for Armenian genocide!!!
Armenians begun the fight because Turks stole and torture them. Armenians maby fought first, but Turks killed more.
The same was in Cyprous. GreekCypriots killed some TurkCypriots in 1960s so gave the oportunity to Turks to take the best part of the island and to kill thousands of people.
Turks were and are very agressive. They tortured nations, as a resault the nations wanted their freedom. Freedom brings blood. Greeks killed 1, Turks killed 10. Armenian killed 1, Turks killed 100.
I traveled in Kusadasi last year as a turist. Turkey is like Greece in 1980. Is a poor country. I hope the best for the good Turkish people, but I didnt like them. They gave us a bad room in a good hotel. We told them to change the room and they did it without any other word.
I drunk Turkish cofee and it was bad tasted. {If you came in Greece please drink "frape" (cold cofee) you will remember me. I ate in a "good" restorant sish kebap (like suvlaki) and it was not good. Suvlaki is better.
Only in Hotel restorant I ate good food.
Another bad behavior of Turks was the "habbit" of making mistakes in bills and in check out.
I know there are good Turks, I know there are peacefull Turks, I know there are clever Turks. I think it is better for them to Apologise for the killing of Armenian people, of Kurdish people, of Greeks. If Turks will Be changed the European Union is the only road for peace and economical evolution.
Dont kill other people in your prison Turks. Dont kill Ochalan. Dont kill the peace in Cyprous. Dont kill the history. You dont speak about Kurdistan today as you didnt speak about Armenia.
Armenian and Turks cant be friends, Greeks and Turks cant be friends but can be good neibours (I killed this word). Aegean sea is Greek Sea not Greek and Turkish!! In Greece we believe that Turks wants the Aegean...thats why they tell to us that "we are friends" and "we have same civilasation and culture". My "friend" I dont want to give you my island.
I am very pround about my origin. I was surprised when a friend of mine told me that he met an TurkArmenian. Is this madness or a Miracle?? Is love and family the only medicine for the pain of history? I hope TurkArmenians to live well, I am afraid that they may feel lonely, because they are not "clear Turks" or "clear Armenians".
I feel bad when I read unpolite words in this web site. Dont be nationalist. We are lucky to live in 2003. It is a better world. Armenians Turks dont forget your good history, be polite.
FUCK THE PAST, KISS THE FUTURE
signed on Friday, the 24. of January 2003 at 15:48:37
My keyboard doesn't have twisted "y", so there is no way that the "nemesis" has anything in common with my grace personality. Also, many people believe that I have unique writing style (not necessarily good:)).
Kharpetzy, qune turk shunerin turkeren. I don't care. As long as we have fun ridiculing these bastards that is fine with me.
Regards:)
signed on Thursday, the 23. of January 2003 at 21:47:50
Guys, I think genocide.com is the place you all can come to argue:-)
signed on Thursday, the 23. of January 2003 at 16:06:57
Guys, I think denocide.com is the place you all can come to argue:-)
signed on Thursday, the 23. of January 2003 at 16:04:01
Parev Nemesis, Yes Kharpertsi Hayem. Turk shunneri het gi xosim.Konstantinoplolis yesem.
Yes nuyunpes Turkeren gi kerelem.
im mail. palu62@hotmail.com
signed on Thursday, the 23. of January 2003 at 15:16:11
fuck of homoseksuel armenian .fistly be polite.
"turk" will mary with my sister.he is a good fucker.if you like he can fuck you also.
ý love turks very much therofore ý permitted for my sister to mary with him.
ý don't want to see you in this site. otherwise ý will give you to donkey for fuck you.
signed on Thursday, the 23. of January 2003 at 09:33:06
Vay Turk kopegi'nin Anacugu Adana Kerhanesinde calisiyor.Ananun adi n ne len Turk kopegi?
Gozelmi? hosmu amcugu daha tazemi.?
Len fitil yemis got!! got lalesi amcuk suratli pic dolu.
Ben senin gibi Stev ismini kullanmiyorum anasi sulalesi oruspu olmus cikmis kaltak yavrusu. USA'da seni cok sikmislerki Stev ismini aliyorsun unutma Sizin oglan Tarkanda cok siktiriyodu kendisini.
Siz Amerikan yaraggi hastasi olmusunuz "Van dam" dahi ununuzu duyp Turk amciklarini bir guzel sikti bende sikiyorum Turk kopegi.
Ulan gotunu tenefus zili gibi caldirdigimin ipnesi!! bulanik sican ipne pincosu! borusu burada gelip oten sensin bende senin otusune gore cevap veriyorum.
Simdi ananin amini topla siktir ol get sokarsam cikarmam HAAAA!!!
Yok len Turk kopegi yemin ederim Azerilerin yaninda kalmadim ama KONSTANITAPOLIS'te amini gotunu patlattigim cok Azeri guzeli oldu.
Gel senide bir guzel genisleteyim benimki seni cok guzel genisletir hadi nazlanma cabuk gel seni sikmeye bire bir boyuk bir yarragim var.
hadi cel turk Homosu cabul cel!!
Anacigini yakalarsam bir guzel sikerim
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of January 2003 at 08:58:14
bana bak hamamoðlaný; sikmekten bahsetme çünki senin sikin kalkmýyor.
Ananýn hatýrý olmassa, sana yapacaðýmý bilirim. amma velakin kendisini iyi tanýrým ve de severim .Adana kerhanesindeki en iyi müþterisiydim.
bir daha buralarda zevzeklik yapma.istanbul'un adýný da aðzýna alma. konuþtuðun dile bakýlýrsa azeri' lerin yanýnda fazla kalmýþsýn. herhalde seni fazla sikmiþler.
bu memlekette senin gibilere pabuç býrakmayýz. senin gibiler uzaktan fazla eser,hiçbirinde yürek yoktur.
sizler kendi baþýna birer fino köpeðisiniz.yalnýz baþýnýza hiç bir þey yapamazsýnýz.ancak böyle havlarsýnýz, hep baþkalarýndan yardým beklersiniz.
böyle geldiniz.böyle yok olup gideceksiniz.
signed on Monday, the 20. of January 2003 at 09:18:46
Vayy Turko pinco yine gelmis, Istanbul'a neden KONSTANTINOPOLIS dedim diye anasinin amini yirtiyor. ulan zilli safiyenin Turk pici Steve lakapli got borusu!! ulan takoz (Istan)(bul) (Konstan)(pol)Yarrak kafali Bulent Ersoy kilikli surtuk inkarmi ediyon len Turk pici Istanbul degil KONSTANTINAPOLIS!!
O kafana iyi sok sokmasan ben hem sana hem gucuk bacina ve o Gozel Anana sokarim ona gore anladinmi Bulent Ersoy veya Turkersoy.
signed on Sunday, the 19. of January 2003 at 13:51:45
Vayy Turko pinco yine gelmis, Istanbul'a neden KONSTANTINOPOLIS dedim diye anasinin amini yirtiyor. ulan zilli safiyenin Turk pici Steve lakapli got borusu!! ulan takoz (Istan)(bul) (Konstan)(pol)Yarrak kafali Bulent Ersoy kilikli surtuk inkarmi ediyon len Turk pici Istanbul degil KONSTANTINAPOLIS!!
O kafana iyi sok sokmasan ben hem sana hem gucuk bacina ve o Gozel Anana sokarim ona gore anladinmi Bulent Ersoy veya Turkersoy.
signed on Sunday, the 19. of January 2003 at 13:48:48
Turbo374Panos,
Listen, kuk oudelic shoon...IT'S "ISTANBUL", NOT KONSTANTANOPOLIS!!! No one is putting a gun to your pathetic head and forcing you to stay there. If you hate it so much, then get the f**k out and stop complaining. Toon vor es!!
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 19. of January 2003 at 12:55:45
sex
signed on Sunday, the 19. of January 2003 at 11:23:33
Bana bak Suleyman zilisi oglum sizin aminizi gotunuzu dagitmislar ne aniriyorsun sen daha turk kopegi ULU ONDERINIZ SELANIKLI HOMO ATATURK'u SIKEYIM ANASI ZUBEYDEYIDE.
Turk Zubeyde'nin amini istediginiz kadar sikebilirsiniz ammi gozeldir hadi bogalar davranin turk ammi sikin hostur yahsidir.
signed on Saturday, the 18. of January 2003 at 16:27:45
Nemesis Ermenidir' hemde sikici Ermenilerden bende oyleyim Nemesis senin anani oyle bir sikerki ananin amina kamyon gibi girere ucak gibi cikar.
Mesela benim Nebahat isiminda siktigim gozel bir Turk kizi vardi gecen sene sikmistim o yaz sicaginda o Nebahat'in o shish amini oyle bir siktimki aynen demirhanade demir dover gibi gum, gum, gum diye ses cikardim.
Sen oglanci degilsin sen OGLANSIN hemde Tavsan oglan biz Ermeniler sana Napastag Tgha deriz bir tek senmi senin gibi Turklerin cogu oglandir gotveren turk kopegi Zeki Muren,Bulent Ersoy,Aydin ,Devran caglar Fatih urek ve sen TURK okalli birer ipnesiniz.
Seni bulursam agzina verecegim oyle bir verecegimki.
Gokte gunes simsek sendemi adam oldun mongolun turk oglu esek oglu esek.
Uydurma yan getirem goyam Turklerin selevatni getirem.
gel senin Abdestli gotunu oyle bir sikeyimki benimki buyuktur senin gotune goredir.
TURK SIKMEK ISTIYOM!! TURK ERKEK ,GADIN, KIZ FARK ETMEZ YETERKI ANASININ VE BABASININ GOTUNDE ASIL TURK KANI OLSUN!!
signed on Saturday, the 18. of January 2003 at 15:33:53
Nemesis Ermenidir' hemde sikici Ermenilerden bende oyleyim Nemesis senin anani oyle bir sikerki ananin amina kamyon gibi girere ucak gibi cikar.
Mesela benim Nebahat isiminda siktigim gozel bir Turk kizi vardi gecen sene sikmistim o yaz sicaginda o Nebahat'in o shish amini oyle bir siktimki aynen demirhanade demir dover gibi gum, gum, gum diye ses cikardim.
Sen oglanci degilsin sen OGLANSIN hemde Tavsan oglan biz Ermeniler sana Napastag Tgha deriz bir tek senmi senin gibi Turklerin cogu oglandir gotveren turk kopegi Zeki Muren,Bulent Ersoy,Aydin ,Devran caglar Fatih urek ve sen TURK okalli birer ipnesiniz.
Seni bulursam agzina verecegim oyle bir verecegimki.
Gokte gunes simsek sendemi adam oldun mongolun turk oglu esek oglu esek.
Uydurma yan getirem goyam Turklerin selevatni getirem.
gel senin Abdestli gotunu oyle bir sikeyimki benimki buyuktur senin gotune goredir.
TURK SIKMEK ISTIYOM!! TURK ERKEK ,GADIN, KIZ FARK ETMEZ YETERKI ANASININ VE BABASININ GOTUNDE ASIL TURK KANI OLSUN!!
signed on Saturday, the 18. of January 2003 at 15:26:57
Emanuel,
Sorry, but if you do not clarify what He meant, or what you believe, it is kind of tricky.
"We all have sinned" - no doubt about it, but it also may mean, - therefore "who cares".
God Bless you in the name of Jesus Christ.
God Bless you too:)
Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?
No. I have accepted him as universal savior, I'm not that egoistic, but that is a little secret between me and Him.
" Romans 3:23 NIV says "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".
The Glory part, I'm not that sure. Who knows....:))
signed on Friday, the 17. of January 2003 at 21:02:19
bana bak þerefsiz,
ben ayný zamanda oðlan da sikerim.zaten yakýnda Nemesis' in kýzkardeþiyle evlenip, ikinize birden geçireceðim.bak o zaman nasýl önümde diz çöküp bir daha geçir diye yalvaracaksýn
köpek soyu
signed on Friday, the 17. of January 2003 at 14:03:33
bana bak þerefsiz,
ben ayný zamanda oðlan da sikerim.zaten yakýnda nemesis' in kýzkardeþiyle evlenip, ikinize birden geçireceðim.
signed on Friday, the 17. of January 2003 at 13:56:39
OY ANAN AMI ANAN AMI!! TURKUN GOTU GUZEL AMLI
DUVARDA FES TURKE GOYAM SESINI KES!!
GOKTE GUNES SIMSEK SENDEMI ADAM OLDUN TURK PICI MONGOL ESSEK!!
TURK GIZI GIRDI EKINE KULAKLARI DIKINE OHH NE GUZEL BAL SURMUS GOTUNE TATLI GELDI ERMENININ SIKINE.
ORMANA GITTIK YAZ GELDI TURK ERKEKLERINI SIKTIK AZ GELDI
HEYY TURK KOPEKLERI O LAFLAR YOKUS ASAGI ANANIN BACININ TURK IRKININ SULALESINE GIRSIN ERMENI DASSHAGIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.
GELIN LAN GELINDE ANANUZU SIKEYIM TURK KOPEKLERIIIII MONGOLUN DOLLERIII.
signed on Friday, the 17. of January 2003 at 11:59:58
I am A strong believer in God.I want to meet someone who feels the same way.Someone who feels the same way about love and respect as I do.I speak English and Spanish as well as write them.
Including the Bible.If you would like to get to know me let me know.
Thank you,
Chrystal Perez
signed on Friday, the 17. of January 2003 at 10:39:59
I am A strong believer in God.I want to meet someone who feels the same way.Someone who feels the same way about love and respect as I do.I speak English and Spanish as well as write them.
Including the Bible.If you would like to get to know me let me know.
Thank you,
Chrystal Perez
signed on Friday, the 17. of January 2003 at 10:37:03
I am A strong believer in God.I want to meet someone who feels the same way.Someone who feels the same way about love and respect as I do.I speak English and Spanish as well as write them.
Including the Bible.If you would like to get to know me let me know.
Thank you,
Chrystal Perez
signed on Friday, the 17. of January 2003 at 10:33:58
Nemesis,
Hey dude...welcome back. Did you have a good holiday? Did you miss me?
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 22:50:57
Mr. Jew,
I have never heard of any killings of Jews by the Armenians. If you have any sufficient historical material about that or proof (be it diplomatic or other sources) I would apologize to you personally and to your family on behalf of all "fanatic" Armenians, although that won't help me to get some "brains".
I'm ready even to send you a check for $100 as a small gesture of my goodwill. Unfortunately my financial resources are limited right now. If you don't need the money you can give them for charity for the "starving" Jews in Tel-Aviv or New York.
PS: Our disliking is mutual, but we were civilized enough not to kill each other. Believe me, if Armenians have had guns, Armenian Genocide would never happen. Sadly we hadn't. That is why I spit on the face of the anti-gun bulshit.
Armenians and Greeks have beaten Jews on the streets of Constantinople, whenever the Jews were trying to sell "apples" for "oranges". That are the only recorded skirmishes between Armenians and Jews. You also probably know that you guys (Jews) handed over to the Romans the keys of Tigranakert during king Tigran the Great times, but we got over it. After all it was his mistake that brought you from Israel to Armenia.
Regards:)
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 21:37:17
God Bless you in the name of Jesus Christ. Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior? " Romans 3:23 NIV says "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". "God will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil. "Romans 2:6-9NIV. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Matthew 13:41-42 NIV. THE GOOD NEWS: John 3:16 says God loves us so much that he gave his only son so that we may have eternal life. " ...If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Romans 6:23 NIV"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 10:9-10 NIV. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."1 John 1:9 NIV. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" 2 Corinthians 5: 17 NIV. Romans 3:23 NIV
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 19:53:48
God Bless you in the name of Jesus Christ. Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior? " Romans 3:23 NIV says "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". "God will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil. "Romans 2:6-9NIV. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Matthew 13:41-42 NIV. THE GOOD NEWS: John 3:16 says God loves us so much that he gave his only son so that we may have eternal life. " ...If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Romans 6:23 NIV"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 10:9-10 NIV. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."1 John 1:9 NIV. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" 2 Corinthians 5: 17 NIV. Romans 3:23 NIV
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 19:50:49
Never met a brainles and fanatic nation like the Armenians.
Shame on you Armenians!
You telling us about a genocide lie where 1,5 millions of your people has died, so i ask me what happend with the thousand of romaniot-jews, kurds and turks from this area???
I'm from a romaniot family and my grandmothers family are victims of this massacres made by armenians and russians not by turks!!
The time will show the truth!
You will pay for your lies and for changing the true history!!
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 17:08:12
god bless u,keep the hard work.
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 07:13:23
-why don´t they speak about peace?
-who?
-them!
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 06:23:45
sizin hepinizin anasýný avradýnýzý sikeyim ananýzý türk milleti siksin orospu çoçuklarý ablalarýnýz bizim kucaðýmýzda on dolara sikiþiyo amýna kodumu piçleri
signed on Thursday, the 16. of January 2003 at 05:05:25
To the digruntled ERMINE writer,
First of all, aboosh, it's ISTANBUL, TURKEY...not Konstantinopolis!! You need to stop living in a fantasy world. Get your head out of your ass and face reality!! Second, your turkish sucks!! Third, if you hate being there so much, then leave. Don't piss me off and make me go over there and "educate you".
Have a nice day,
STEVE
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of January 2003 at 11:58:09
ULAN TURK'UN PICI YINE AYNI SEYI SAYIKLAMISSIN!!
SENIN ANIN AMINI KESER BACININ AGZINA SOKARIM BAK!!
OLUM BENIMI TAKIP EDIYORSUN? ERKEKSEN BUL BENI! BENI BULDA SENIN SULALENIN GOTUNE KAZIKLI VOYVODA GIBI RUMLAR'IN RAKI SISESINI SOKAYIM.
O BOKLU GOTUNU IYI ORT!! BAK ANADOLU KISI SANA PEK YARAMAMIS ONDAN USUTUM USUTUP ERMENILERE SALDIRIYORSUN KENDINI ORT BAK BU KEZ SOKARSAM BIR DAHA CIKARMAM ONA GORE ANLADINMI TAVSAN OGLAN?
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of January 2003 at 13:19:44
takiptesin. bu senin ikinci mesajýn.istanbul'da yaþýyorsun. seni bulup ellerimle öldüreceðim.
orospunun dölü
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of January 2003 at 09:32:11
TURK KOPEKLERI, ULAN MEYDANI BOSMU BULDUNUZ SULALENIZI SIKTIGIM ORUSPU COCUKLARI, ERMENILER ANANIZIN BACINIZIN AMINI GOTU SIKE SIKE BUYUTSUN. ULAN FITIL YEMIS IPNE DOLLERI! ULAN MONGOL OSMANIN CIRKIN PICLERI!! TUM DUNYA SIIN IRKINIZIN UZERINDEN TEK TEK GECSIN. ERMENILER SIRPLAR TUM EZILEN HALKLAR SIZIN BABALARINIZIN GOTUNU YAGLAYIP SIKSIN. ERMENILERLE UGRASMAK NEYMIS GORECEKSINIZ ULAN GELIN LAN GELINDE ANANIZIN AMMINDA MUM SONDUREYIM.
signed on Monday, the 13. of January 2003 at 13:33:39
TURK KOPEKLERI, ULAN MEYDANI BOSMU BULDUNUZ SULALENIZI SIKTIGIM ORUSPU COCUKLARI, ERMENILER ANANIZIN BACINIZIN AMINI GOTU SIKE SIKE BUYUTSUN. ULAN FITIL YEMIS IPNE DOLLERI! ULAN MONGOL OSMANIN CIRKIN PICLERI!! TUM DUNYA SIIN IRKINIZIN UZERINDEN TEK TEK GECSIN. ERMENILER SIRPLAR TUM EZILEN HALKLAR SIZIN BABALARINIZIN GOTUNU YAGLAYIP SIKSIN. ERMENILERLE UGRASMAK NEYMIS GORECEKSINIZ ULAN GELIN LAN GELINDE ANANIZIN AMMINDA MUM SONDUREYIM.
signed on Monday, the 13. of January 2003 at 13:30:27
Good job! Very beautiful site, precious information!
signed on Sunday, the 12. of January 2003 at 20:09:48
Thank U 4the site!
signed on Friday, the 10. of January 2003 at 10:59:40
Congrats for this good site. I am from Indian Orthodox Church (Malankara Church). Pls visit www.otsindia.org to know about my church.
signed on Thursday, the 09. of January 2003 at 03:58:34
AMEN
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of January 2003 at 14:24:51
THE MESSAGE OF HIS HOLINESS KAREKIN II
SUPREME PATRIARCH AND CATHOLICOS OF ALL ARMENIANS
ON THE OCCASION OF THE FEAST OF
THE HOLY NATIVITY AND THEOPHANY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
(Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin, January 6, 2003)
`Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.'
(Luke 2:14)
Glory to You, O Heavenly King, as we behold the sacred mystery of the
Theophany, the children of Our Nation in Armenia and in Dispersion,
assembled together in the ranks of clergy and laity, greet each other
today with the tidings of Your Holy Birth. Laborer and government
official, soldier, intellectual and student, adult and child; we all hear
the heavenly message, `on earth peace, good will toward men,' which is
proclaimed from Your 1,700 year-old Holy Cathedral where the Only
Begotten Descended. The message was clarified the instant of the Holy
Nativity's profound mystery before our gaze, when the guiding bright Star
rested over the skies of Bethlehem.
Glory to You, O Heavenly King, that the consolation of Your Holy Nativity
lives yet again in the Armenian Nation. We worship You with the wise
men, we glorify You with the shepherds, and we praise You with the
multitude of angels: `Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace,
good will toward men.'
By the compassionate and merciful Love of God, the Savior was born for
the world. The Lord of the universe became a Child and came into the
world, so that man estranged from God and snared within evil due to
original sin, would be able to renew himself, and the world would renew
itself through man. In order to bring freedom to the souls of men, in
order to call men to justice and peace, God extended His hand of
reconciliation, and gave the unsurpassed example of love. In the Manger
of Bethlehem, the `Sun' of Justice and the Prince of Peace was born, so
freedom, justice and peace be inseparable in the world. Truly, the birth
of Jesus is the renaissance of man, through the grace of reconciliation
with God and by the invitation, `on earth peace, good will toward men.'
All through time, the cherished dream of mankind has been peace as a
condition for security, prosperity and happiness. Countless theories
have been developed, principals proposed, means and efforts invested, all
in the name of peace. However, the rumblings of war have not been muted;
intrigues, enmity and destruction have not ceased; famine, misery and
poverty have not been eliminated; because mankind has not always pursued
Christ's message of peace: to implant the triumph of the Gospel of love,
freedom and justice in the souls of men.
`Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world
gives, give I unto you.' (John 14:27). Peace bequeathed from Christ is
for the world, but not of the world indeed. More often than not, peace
known to the world is motivated by profit, is conditioned upon interests
and circumstance, often it is established and secured by violence. Thus,
it cannot be stable and unchangeable; and moreover, it cannot be the
genuine good, which brings forth blessings, because it is always filled
with the danger of turning into antagonism.
Today, in the Holy Land, instead of hymns of praise for peace, hostility
resounds and death-bringing volleys of fire boom. Today, the world
restlessly witnesses the horrors of terrorism in different corners of the
globe, where wars are spreading destruction and taking away thousands of
innocent lives. The wounds on our people's heart from the Armenian
Genocide continue to bleed; which still has not been universally
condemned by governments, which continues to be an encouragement for new
villainies, as was in the case of the Holocaust.
Our soul today is also troubled by the fragile peace prevailing in the
Republic of Nagorno Karabagh, because the opposite side continues
resonating frivolous appeals for renewing the war. The core issue of the
Armenians living on their historic lands of Artsakh is being led to a
deadlock, when it is being connected unjustly and without foundation to
the principal of territorial integrity; while the natural, just and legal
right of man and nation to live freely is being trampled under foot.
Justice will prevail, the thunders of war will be silenced, inter-ethnic
antagonisms and public crises will be reconciled, when mankind desires
and searches for the Christ-provided redeeming road of peace, more than
the world's paths toward peace; and when justice and humane values become
the guiding principles for human life. Only in this manner can peace
truly be established in the life of society, becoming the aspiration for
creation, being one another's support, and turning into the greatest
ability and happiness for living one another's joys and sorrows.
Today, beloved Armenian people, from the source of love, swaddled in the
cave of Bethlehem, and from the heights of the Zion of faith and hope,
the light of peace has descended and is contained in the lanterns of our
churches. As it has for continuous centuries, that light is distributed
through the benediction of `Peace unto all', so that the peace of the
Lord lives in us and be spread from our souls throughout our national and
public life and the entire world.
Today, with the tidings of the Holy Nativity, `on earth peace, good will
toward men', we see the Savior again descending upon our land, and into
our life; so that through the eternal Mother See of the Armenians, Our
faith and Our covenant of relying on God, will always be renewed.
God is with us. He is with us with His greeting of peace. This is our
belief. Let us accept the Dominical greeting, let us truly love each
other, and desiring the benevolent and peaceful will of the Lord, let us
serve one another, and together let us serve our Motherland and our
Apostolic Holy Church. Let us make 2003 a year of new hopes and
expectations; let us make it the year of strengthening our national life,
both in the Motherland and in the Diaspora; and the remarkable New Year
for witnessing our faith.
Before the cradle of the Incarnate God, let us beseech the Lord to keep
our Apostolic Holy Church steadfast under His care, and to protect and
strengthen the incumbents of our Hierarchal Sees under His blessings and
graces: His Holiness Aram I, Catholicos of the Great House of Cilicia;
His Beatitude Archbishop Torkom Manoogian, Armenian Patriarch of
Jerusalem; His Beatitude Archbishop Mesrob Moutafian, Armenian Patriarch
of Constantinople; and the entirety of our dedicated and devout
ecclesiastical order of the Armenian Church, and the whole of our
faithful people throughout the world.
With Pontifical love and blessing We convey Our good wishes of the Holy
Nativity, to the high officials of the Government of the Armenians, led
by the President of the Republic of Armenia, Mr. Robert Kocharian; to the
President of the Republic of Nagorno Karabagh, Mr. Arkady Ghukasian; and
to all the representatives of diplomatic missions and international
organizations registered in Armenia.
Let the Peace which is born of the Revelation of the Savior, through the
care of the Mother of God, be swaddled as a child under the roofs of all
homes, be nurtured and be strengthened through the good will, trust and
cooperation of all great and small nations, so that nations cast
plowshares from their swords, and pruning hooks from their spears, and to
all corners of the world, may the hymn of praise be spread: `on earth
peace, good will toward men'.
`Christ is Born and Revealed!
Great tidings to you and to us.' Amen.
signed on Monday, the 06. of January 2003 at 18:46:33
Mez Boloris Medz Avetis
:) I promise to be a good boy-I mean, i promise not to dring too much beer
signed on Monday, the 06. of January 2003 at 12:43:18
Kristos Dzunav yev Haidnetzav to all Armenians!
:)
Don't drink too much:).... beer I mean!
In Vino Veritas
signed on Monday, the 06. of January 2003 at 00:31:07
HAPPY NEW YEAR.. :)
live in peace.
banu.
signed on Sunday, the 05. of January 2003 at 12:15:37
A noble nation which has partaken of the proscription and bondage of the Jews and of the Greeks, without the sullenness of the former or the servility of the letter. This people has attained riches without usury, and all the honours that can be awarded to slavery without intrigue. But they have long occupied, nevertheless, a part of the house of bondage, who has lately multiplied her many mansions. It would be difficult, perhaps, to find the annals of a nation less stained with crimes than those of the Armenians, whose virtues have been those of peace and their vices those of compulsion. But whatever may have been their destiny, and it has been better, wathever it may be in future, their country must ever be one of the most interesting on the globe; and perhaps their language only requires to be more studied to become more attractive. If the Scriptures are rightly understood it was in Armenia that Paradise was placed, Armenia, which has paid as dearly as the descendants of Man for that fleeting participation of its soil in the happiness if Him who was created from its dust. It was in Armenia that the flood first abated, and the dove alighted. But with the disappearance of Paradise itself may be dated almost the unhappiness of the country, for though long a powerful kingdom, it was scarcely ever an independent one, and the satraps of Persia and the pachas of Turkey have alike desolated the region where God created man in his own image.
Lord Byron
signed on Friday, the 03. of January 2003 at 14:24:04
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signed on Wednesday, the 01. of January 2003 at 19:22:57
Beautiful web site. My husband is Armenian, I am a devout Catholic, and as a family, very interested in the history of the Armenian people. His grandfather was Solomon Tehlerian.
Thank you.
signed on Tuesday, the 31. of December 2002 at 11:23:41
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE
MAY 2003 BE A YEAR OF LOVE & PEACE
AND LEST HOPE IN THE YEAR 2003, WE'LL FIND THE CURE FOR THE DISEASE KNOWN AS TURKEY
signed on Tuesday, the 31. of December 2002 at 09:28:09
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE
MAY 2003 BE A YEAR OF LOVE & PEACE
AND LEST HOPE IN THE YEAR 2003, WE'LL FIND THE CURE FOR THE DISEASE KNOWN AS TURKEY
signed on Tuesday, the 31. of December 2002 at 09:24:43
Hey You armanians ,
Don't forget that first you killed our people than we killed you .
In normal conditions ,why one peole kills the other one.
You saw a dream .In your dream you armanians are having a country in Anatolia.
And than you started to killing Turkish people in Anatolia .
Why not? If you were us ,you will do the same thing.Am I right.
And there is lots of proofs about you first started to killing .
You killed 380000 Turkish people.And in real ; You are not kiled by Army.You are killed by pure Anatolians .By kurds and by Turks.
Because you killed their brothers ,their fathers,their mothers ,raped their sisters.
And than Turkish people killed you .
Please do not think these type of bad historical events.
Because you armanians have a country between Turks.
We also know that ASALA killed our lots of Diplomats and important people in Turkey and world.And we know that you and PKK fighted together and killed lots of Turkish victims.
Did I say all your playings ? Of course not.But I haven't got any time for you and like you wooden brained peoples.
Believe god,think truly and honourly.
Believe the humanity and peace.ok ?
signed on Monday, the 30. of December 2002 at 06:53:16
First of all I admire the History and culture of Armenian people, I think that these people went through hell and back, in the past 2000 years. As for you Turk I try no to have any problems with the Turkish nation but Idiots like you make me think otherwise. This is a legitimate website and you turn it into a mockery. Oh... and in reguards to Turkey my friend, your country has pissed off more nations than mine (USA) has. Lets see, Greeks hate you, Serbs hate you, Croats hate you, Bulgars hate you, Cypriots want to see you die, Armenians hate you, French hate you, Russians whant nothing to do with you, oh Hungarians hate you, well then the list goes on to not only Christian nations but also Muslim nations, Iran hates you, Iraq hates you, Syria hates you, Lebanon hates you,
Well other than Azerbaijan and USA no one realy likes you, oh and Germany is OK with you after all you pumped 2 million of your citizens into that country.
Oh and last but not least sooner or later USA will get fed up with your bulshit too. Your airbase is worthless many other bases can be built.
Oh nad be a man and usde your real name "TURK".
Also for your information durring the time of the Genocide Armenian people were not slaves and prostitutes, they were former bank owners, business owners, writers and scholars, something your country could never produce.
Oh and by the way Turkey is just a fusion of Armenian, Greek, and Muslim (mangolian) cultures, so dont flater your self, your best landmark is an ancient Orthodox Cathedral bravo!!! try building something for a change.
To the people of armenianhighland.com good job and continue the work.
This was Greg Nemet Jr.
Have a great holiday everone.
signed on Friday, the 27. of December 2002 at 02:01:15
First of all I admire the History and culture of Armenian people, I think that these people went through hell and back, in the past 2000 years. As for you Turk I try no to have any problems with the Turkish nation but Idiots like you make me think otherwise. This is a legitimate website and you turn it into a mockery. Oh... and in reguards to Turkey my friend, your country has pissed off more nations than mine (USA) has. Lets see, Greeks hate you, Serbs hate you, Croats hate you, Bulgars hate you, Cypriots want to see you die, Armenians hate you, French hate you, Russians whant nothing to do with you, oh Hungarians hate you, well then the list goes on to not only Christian nations but also Muslim nations, Iran hates you, Iraq hates you, Syria hates you, Lebanon hates you,
Well other than Azerbaijan and USA no one realy likes you, oh and Germany is OK with you after all you pumped 2 million of your citizens into that country.
Oh and last but not least sooner or later USA will get fed up with your bulshit too. Your airbase is worthless many other bases can be built.
Oh nad be a man and usde your real name "TURK".
Also for your information durring the time of the Genocide Armenian people were not slaves and prostitutes, they were former bank owners, business owners, writers and scholars, something your country could never produce.
Oh and by the way Turkey is just a fusion of Armenian, Greek, and Muslim (mangolian) cultures, so dont flater your self, your best landmark is an ancient Orthodox Cathedral bravo!!! try building something for a change.
To the people of armenianhighland.com good job and continue the work.
This was Greg Nemet Jr.
Have a great holiday everone.
signed on Friday, the 27. of December 2002 at 00:30:19
TURK
I THINK UR PROBLEM IS THAT UR MOTHER IS ARMENIAN AND SHE LEFT U @ THE MOSQUE AS SOON AS U WERE BORN. I THINK UR A TURKISH BRAT BY-PRODUCT OF RAPE. UR SO PATHETIC U NEED AN ARMENIAN CHAT TO SATISFY UR MOTHERLY LOVE. HAHAHAHAHHAHA.
signed on Thursday, the 26. of December 2002 at 09:26:12
To Everyone...Everywhere,
A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!!!
May there be peace throughout all the land and its peoples!!!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS,
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 24. of December 2002 at 20:40:30
Can anyone tell me what these sick turks are doing in here? Why don't you guys just ignore these bloody bastards?
And where the hell is the webmaster?
signed on Monday, the 23. of December 2002 at 11:20:23
I won't be surprised if "mad caw" decease is a turkish patent. It is about time for UN to propose a convention on International protection of livestock and other domesticated animals. Thank God these pigs do not eat pork.
My speculation would be that turks most of the time had sexual intercourse’s with chicken.
Such cowards!!!
Screw you fucken turks...
signed on Monday, the 23. of December 2002 at 00:56:46
I WILL BLAST YOUR SMELLY ARMENIAN HOLES YOU BLOODY POOFTAS.TURKS ALLWAYS BLAST ARMENIANS.
ARMENIANS HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT THEIR SMELLY LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH TURKEY HAS PUT SANCTIONS ON FOR YEARS.ANY ARMENIAN GIRLS WANT TO SUCK MY BALLS I WILL SERVICE YOU FANTASTICALLY.ARMENIANS ARE SO SCARED OF TURKS THAT THEY PISS THEM SELVES AT NIGHT WHEN THEY ARE SLEEPING.ESPECIALLY ARMENIAN MEN THEY EVEN LEAK SHIT BECAUSE SOME TURK HAS RAPTURED THEIR BUTTHOLE. ARMENIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE EVERYBODIES ANCESTORS HAS BEEN RAPED BY TURKS. [[BLOODY POOFTAS]]
signed on Sunday, the 22. of December 2002 at 22:14:37
good site. except the forum is crap like in every armenian forum where a turk appears. and all the turkish haters go screw yourselves. eat your heart out. armenians were always there, are there and will always be there.
signed on Friday, the 20. of December 2002 at 17:00:50
Have fun:), although I'm not sure it is funny.
I have never heard anything like that to happen in the history of human kind. These people want to become Europeans. As I said before, prior to that they should become humans. God have mercy.
Long live USA and Jewistan.
Nice reading!
Guard gets paid for letting sufferers of chlamydia rape street dogs in Turkey
11/09/2002
London
11 September 2002: In Izmir, the third biggest city of Turkey, the Animal’s Safe House in Ortakoy has been shut down and its premises demolished.
3 months ago the Animal’s Safe House in Ortakoy, Izmir, made the headlines in Turkey when 6 dogs in the safe house were raped by several people who had broken into the premises. This time the Safe House has become news material as allegations have been made that several dogs have been raped for the reason that "it cures chlamydia".
The Turkish daily Hurriyet reported today that the guard responsible for the animals in the safe house "hired" the dogs out for people with chlamydia.
2500 signatures have been collected by animal rights activists for the closure of the safe house and has been forwarded to the local council. 90 of the dogs from the safe house have been transferred to the Buyuksehir Council Animal Safe House.
The animal rights activist Sevtap Henrich, who is responsible of the Animal Safe House in Ortakoy, said they had established that the dogs had been raped:
"This is really an incredible incident. Unfortunately we are the victims of ignorance and lack of education. This kind of activity will not cure chlamydia, in fact it can cause a lot more diseases", Henrich added.
After hearing rumours that dogs were being raped in the safe house because it was believed that it would cure clamydia, Chairman of the Animal Lovers and Protectors’ Association, Suna+ Esen Akaturk, said that she was against the demolition of the premises of the Animal Safe House:
"I am aware of the fact that this incident is disgusting. But unfortunately these kinds of incidents are the bleeding wounds of our country. Recently in Narlidere, a similar incident took place. We have taken our precautions here. I am searching for other reasons behind the demolition of the safe house. We built and paid for the safe house with money from our own pockets. They demolished our work just in two hours. We were trying to keep the safe house alive despite all the impossibilities", she said.
signed on Friday, the 20. of December 2002 at 13:58:08
nemesis
ý want to mary with your sister. ý want to make 20 childs with her. ý don't want masturbate anymore.
signed on Friday, the 20. of December 2002 at 12:11:40
nemesis
ý want to mary with your sister. ý want to make 20 childs with her. ý don't want masturbate anymore. ý am very rich . what is the price of her
signed on Friday, the 20. of December 2002 at 12:09:01
nemesis
ý want to mary with your sister. ý want to make 20 childs with her. ý don't want masturbate anymore.
signed on Friday, the 20. of December 2002 at 12:06:15
Hey turk...
What you are saying is: If you kill bunch of Jews it is a crime against humanity, but if you kill many more non-Jews it is tragic event.
Who is nazi here!!!
Soon or later we will fuck you. Just keep in mind this. With or without your friends.:)))))
signed on Friday, the 20. of December 2002 at 11:46:29
Nemesis,
Welcome back. Still living in a fantasy world, are you? Our Jewish friends can not side with Aryian hate mongers. You forget how many Jews your Aryian brothers wiped out. Can you say "Zieg Heil"?
STEVE
PS-As I mentioned in my last post, if it weren't for the two of us, this would be one heck of a boring site. You must admit, we ought to be getting paid for entertaining everyone on this site.
signed on Thursday, the 19. of December 2002 at 23:17:51
Hey turk....
Here is a mild solution to the end of narrow mindness.
Tell your fucking american (jewish) friends to recognize the Armenian Genocide.
Return of all occupied Armenian teritories and paying retributions and compensations for the killed and dispossesed.
Restoration of all Armenian cultural institution in the so-called republic of Turkey.
Restitution of the private lands expropriated by the Turkish Government.
signed on Thursday, the 19. of December 2002 at 12:12:07
Nemesis,
I thought that you and I were the main action on this site. You have to admit, though, that without us going at each other, there really wouldn't be much excitement here. As for the Turk, you need to lighten up. Hate will get you no where. Writing trash certainly won't. One side will just say that the other side is also doing it, and vice versa. Soon, it will escalate to a point of ridiculous maddness. All that will be proven at that point, to the casual observer, will be two sides who are a bunch of narrow-minded idiots. If you want to get your point across, fine. Just do so in a civilized manner. You really don't need to use vulgarity. Give it a shot. Take care.
STEVE
PS- I miss my Sevan!
signed on Thursday, the 19. of December 2002 at 11:47:10
Hey turk....
Thank you for this post!!! Just to remind the visitors of this site that Americans and Turks are brothers and friends. He, He, He...
Filthy circumsized muslim pigs.
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of December 2002 at 22:49:49
FUCK ALL YOU ARMENIAN SHIT EATING FUCKHEADS I AM SO PROUD THAT THE OTTOMAN TURKS KILLED AND FUCKED ALL OF YOU. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE FUCK THEY DID'T KILL EVERYONE OF YOU PUSIES. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE GOOD FOR NOTHING THATS WHY THE TURKS ONLY USED YOU FOR BLOW JOBS AND FOOD FOR THEIR DOGS.ARMENIAN MEN AND WOMEN LOVED GETTING FUCKED BY THE TURKS AND AT THE TIME OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ARMENIANS MAIN OCCUPATION WAS PROSTOTUTION. ESPECIALLY THE ARMENIAN MEN WERE WELL KNOWN AND UNRIVALLED AROUND THE WORLD FOR THEIR AMAZING ABILITY TO TAKE BIG COCKS UP THE ARSE.THEIR FLEXIBLE ARSEHOLES WERE LEGENDARY , PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WOULD TRAVEL THOUSANDS OF MILES TO COME AND WATCH THEM GET FUCKED BY THE SULTANS HORSES IN THE GLADIATORIAL ARENAS.BUT THEY DID NOT ONLY USE HORSES , ARMENIANS DEMANDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL SO THE OTTOMAN TURKS IMPORTED ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS FROM AFRICA JUST TO KEEP THEIR ARMENIANS CITISENS HAPPY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOUR PEOPLE WAS OPPRESSED BY THE TURKS.THE TURKS EVEN LET YOU MARRY WITH ANIMALS JUST TO KEEP YOU HAPPY YOU STUPID BITCH.OTHER EMPIRES WOULD PAY FORTUNES EVEN GIVE LAND TO THE TURKS JUST TO FUCK ARMENIANS BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE MAINLY INTERESTED IN ARMENIAN MEN AND AT THE TIME THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ARMENIAN MEN BEING EXPORTED ABROAD TO SUCK COCK AND ENTERTAIN PEOPLES ANIMALS.THOSE DAYS WERE THE HAPPIEST TIMES FOR THE ARMENIANS AND THEY HAD BIG FAMILIES AS WELL , A TYPICAL ARMENIAN FAMILY WOULD INCLUDE AN ARMENIAN MAN , WOMEN , THEIR KIDS AND BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MARRY ANIMALS AS WELL THE FAMILIES WOULD INCLUDE 2 HORSES , 5 TO 10 DOGS , 4 HIPPOS , 8 SNAKES , 6 RHINOS , 2 TO 4 MONITOR LIZARDS AND SO MANY OTHER ANIMALS. SOME WEALTHIER ARMENIAN FAMILIES INCLUDING THE ANIMALS WOULD NUMBER IN THEIR THOUSANDS.THE TURKISH EMPIRE WAS LOOKING AFTER THOSE BIG FAMILIES FOR FREE SO ARMENIANS WERE HAPPY CITIZENS.
BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THESE ANIMALS STARTED DYING OF UNKNOWN DISEASES SO THE GREAT TURKISH SCIENTISTS STARTED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATIONS ON THE DEAD ANIMALS AND THEY SUCCESFULLY LINKED THE DISEASE TO THE ARMENIANS.
THE TURKS THOUGHT HARD AND LONG THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET RID OF THIS ARMENIAN DISEASE BUT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY CURES FOR THE DISEASE AND THE ANIMALS WERE DYING IN THEIR THOUSANDS EVERY DAY THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
IN THE END THEY HAD TO GET ALL THE ARMENIANS OUT AND THEY SWAPPED THE ARMENIANS WITH SOME ANIMALS WITH THE SYRIANS AND SO THE TURKS WAS SAVED FROM THE ARMENIAN DISEASE.
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of December 2002 at 22:31:51
FUCK ALL YOU ARMENIAN SHIT EATING FUCKHEADS I AM SO PROUD THAT THE OTTOMAN TURKS KILLED AND FUCKED ALL OF YOU. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE FUCK THEY DID'T KILL EVERYONE OF YOU PUSIES. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE GOOD FOR NOTHING THATS WHY THE TURKS ONLY USED YOU FOR BLOW JOBS AND FOOD FOR THEIR DOGS.ARMENIAN MEN AND WOMEN LOVED GETTING FUCKED BY THE TURKS AND AT THE TIME OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ARMENIANS MAIN OCCUPATION WAS PROSTOTUTION. ESPECIALLY THE ARMENIAN MEN WERE WELL KNOWN AND UNRIVALLED AROUND THE WORLD FOR THEIR AMAZING ABILITY TO TAKE BIG COCKS UP THE ARSE.THEIR FLEXIBLE ARSEHOLES WERE LEGENDARY , PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WOULD TRAVEL THOUSANDS OF MILES TO COME AND WATCH THEM GET FUCKED BY THE SULTANS HORSES IN THE GLADIATORIAL ARENAS.BUT THEY DID NOT ONLY USE HORSES , ARMENIANS DEMANDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL SO THE OTTOMAN TURKS IMPORTED ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS FROM AFRICA JUST TO KEEP THEIR ARMENIANS CITISENS HAPPY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOUR PEOPLE WAS OPPRESSED BY THE TURKS.THE TURKS EVEN LET YOU MARRY WITH ANIMALS JUST TO KEEP YOU HAPPY YOU STUPID BITCH.OTHER EMPIRES WOULD PAY FORTUNES EVEN GIVE LAND TO THE TURKS JUST TO FUCK ARMENIANS BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE MAINLY INTERESTED IN ARMENIAN MEN AND AT THE TIME THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ARMENIAN MEN BEING EXPORTED ABROAD TO SUCK COCK AND ENTERTAIN PEOPLES ANIMALS.THOSE DAYS WERE THE HAPPIEST TIMES FOR THE ARMENIANS AND THEY HAD BIG FAMILIES AS WELL , A TYPICAL ARMENIAN FAMILY WOULD INCLUDE AN ARMENIAN MAN , WOMEN , THEIR KIDS AND BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MARRY ANIMALS AS WELL THE FAMILIES WOULD INCLUDE 2 HORSES , 5 TO 10 DOGS , 4 HIPPOS , 8 SNAKES , 6 RHINOS , 2 TO 4 MONITOR LIZARDS AND SO MANY OTHER ANIMALS. SOME WEALTHIER ARMENIAN FAMILIES INCLUDING THE ANIMALS WOULD NUMBER IN THEIR THOUSANDS.THE TURKISH EMPIRE WAS LOOKING AFTER THOSE BIG FAMILIES FOR FREE SO ARMENIANS WERE HAPPY CITIZENS.
BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THESE ANIMALS STARTED DYING OF UNKNOWN DISEASES SO THE GREAT TURKISH SCIENTISTS STARTED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATIONS ON THE DEAD ANIMALS AND THEY SUCCESFULLY LINKED THE DISEASE TO THE ARMENIANS.
THE TURKS THOUGHT HARD AND LONG THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET RID OF THIS ARMENIAN DISEASE BUT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY CURES FOR THE DISEASE AND THE ANIMALS WERE DYING IN THEIR THOUSANDS EVERY DAY THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
IN THE END THEY HAD TO GET ALL THE ARMENIANS OUT AND THEY SWAPPED THE ARMENIANS WITH SOME ANIMALS WITH THE SYRIANS AND SO THE TURKS WAS SAVED FROM THE ARMENIAN DISEASE.............
FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of December 2002 at 22:28:49
FUCK ALL YOU ARMENIAN SHIT EATING FUCKHEADS I AM SO PROUD THAT THE OTTOMAN TURKS KILLED AND FUCKED ALL OF YOU. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE FUCK THEY DID'T KILL EVERYONE OF YOU PUSIES. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE GOOD FOR NOTHING THATS WHY THE TURKS ONLY USED YOU FOR BLOW JOBS AND FOOD FOR THEIR DOGS.ARMENIAN MEN AND WOMEN LOVED GETTING FUCKED BY THE TURKS AND AT THE TIME OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ARMENIANS MAIN OCCUPATION WAS PROSTOTUTION. ESPECIALLY THE ARMENIAN MEN WERE WELL KNOWN AND UNRIVALLED AROUND THE WORLD FOR THEIR AMAZING ABILITY TO TAKE BIG COCKS UP THE ARSE.THEIR FLEXIBLE ARSEHOLES WERE LEGENDARY , PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WOULD TRAVEL THOUSANDS OF MILES TO COME AND WATCH THEM GET FUCKED BY THE SULTANS HORSES IN THE GLADIATORIAL ARENAS.BUT THEY DID NOT ONLY USE HORSES , ARMENIANS DEMANDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL SO THE OTTOMAN TURKS IMPORTED ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS FROM AFRICA JUST TO KEEP THEIR ARMENIANS CITISENS HAPPY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOUR PEOPLE WAS OPPRESSED BY THE TURKS.THE TURKS EVEN LET YOU MARRY WITH ANIMALS JUST TO KEEP YOU HAPPY YOU STUPID BITCH.OTHER EMPIRES WOULD PAY FORTUNES EVEN GIVE LAND TO THE TURKS JUST TO FUCK ARMENIANS BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE MAINLY INTERESTED IN ARMENIAN MEN AND AT THE TIME THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ARMENIAN MEN BEING EXPORTED ABROAD TO SUCK COCK AND ENTERTAIN PEOPLES ANIMALS.THOSE DAYS WERE THE HAPPIEST TIMES FOR THE ARMENIANS AND THEY HAD BIG FAMILIES AS WELL , A TYPICAL ARMENIAN FAMILY WOULD INCLUDE AN ARMENIAN MAN , WOMEN , THEIR KIDS AND BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MARRY ANIMALS AS WELL THE FAMILIES WOULD INCLUDE 2 HORSES , 5 TO 10 DOGS , 4 HIPPOS , 8 SNAKES , 6 RHINOS , 2 TO 4 MONITOR LIZARDS AND SO MANY OTHER ANIMALS. SOME WEALTHIER ARMENIAN FAMILIES INCLUDING THE FAMILIES WOULD NUMBER IN THEIR THOUSANDS.THE TURKISH EMPIRE WAS LOOKING AFTER THOSE BIG FAMILIES FOR FREE SO ARMENIANS WERE HAPPY CITIZENS.
BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THESE ANIMALS STARTED DYING OF UNKNOWN DISEASES SO THE GREAT TURKISH SCIENTISTS STARTED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATIONS ON THE DEAD ANIMALS AND THEY SUCCESFULLY LINKED THE DISEASE TO THE ARMENIANS.
THE TURKS THOUGHT HARD AND LONG THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET RID OF THIS ARMENIAN DISEASE BUT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY CURES FOR THE DISEASE AND THE ANIMALS WERE DYING IN THEIR THOUSANDS EVERY DAY THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
IN THE END THEY HAD TO GET ALL THE ARMENIANS OUT AND THEY SWAPED THE ARMENIANS WITH SOME ANIMALS WITH THE SYRIANS AND SO THE TURKS WAS SAVED FROM THE ARMENIAN DISEASE.............
FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of December 2002 at 22:25:13
FUCK ALL YOU ARMENIAN SHIT EATING FUCKHEADS I AM SO PROUD THAT THE OTTOMAN TURKS KILLED AND FUCKED ALL OF YOU. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE FUCK THEY DID'T KILL EVERYONE OF YOU PUSIES. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE GOOD FOR NOTHING THATS WHY THE TURKS ONLY USED YOU FOR BLOW JOBS AND FOOD FOR THEIR DOGS.ARMENIAN MEN AND WOMEN LOVED GETTING FUCKED BY THE TURKS AND AT THE TIME OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ARMENIANS MAIN OCCUPATION WAS PROSTOTUTION. ESPECIALLY THE ARMENIAN MEN WERE WELL KNOWN AND UNRIVALLED AROUND THE WORLD FOR THEIR AMAZING ABILITY TO TAKE BIG COCKS UP THE ARSE.THEIR FLEXIBLE ARSEHOLES WERE LEGENDARY , PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WOULD TRAVEL THOUSANDS OF MILES TO COME AND WATCH THEM GET FUCKED BY THE SULTANS HORSES IN THE GLADIATORIAL ARENAS.BUT THEY DID NOT ONLY USE HORSES , ARMENIANS DEMANDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL SO THE OTTOMAN TURKS IMPORTED ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS FROM AFRICA JUST TO KEEP THEIR ARMENIANS CITISENS HAPPY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOUR PEOPLE WAS OPPRESSED BY THE TURKS.THE TURKS EVEN LET YOU MARRY WITH ANIMALS JUST TO KEEP YOU HAPPY YOU STUPID BITCH.OTHER EMPIRES WOULD PAY FORTUNES EVEN GIVE LAND TO THE TURKS JUST TO FUCK ARMENIANS BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE MAINLY INTERESTED IN ARMENIAN MEN AND AT THE TIME THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ARMENIAN MEN BEING EXPORTED ABROAD TO SUCK COCK AND ENTERTAIN PEOPLES ANIMALS.THOSE DAYS WERE THE HAPPIEST TIMES FOR THE ARMENIANS AND THEY HAD BIG FAMILIES AS WELL , A TYPICAL ARMENIAN FAMILY WOULD INCLUDE AN ARMENIAN MAN , WOMEN , THEIR KIDS AND BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MARRY ANIMALS AS WELL THE FAMILIES WOULD INCLUDE 2 HORSES , 5 TO 10 DOGS , 4 HIPPOS , 8 SNAKES , 6 RHINOS , 2 TO 4 MONITOR LIZARDS AND SO MANY OTHER ANIMALS. SOME WEALTHIER ARMENIAN FAMILIES INCLUDING THE FAMILIES WOULD NUMBER IN THEIR THOUSANDS.THE TURKISH EMPIRE WAS LOOKING AFTER THOSE BIG FAMILIES FOR FREE SO ARMENIANS WERE HAPPY CITIZENS.
BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THESE ANIMALS STARTED DYING OF UNKNOWN DISEASES SO THE GREAT TURKISH SCIENTISTS STARTED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATIONS ON THE DEAD ANIMALS AND THEY SUCCESFULLY LINKED THE DISEASE TO THE ARMENIANS.
THE TURKS THOUGHT HARD AND LONG THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET RID OF THIS ARMENIAN DISEASE BUT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY CURES FOR THE DISEASE AND THE ANIMALS WERE DYING IN THEIR THOUSANDS EVERY DAY THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
IN THE END THEY HAD TO GET ALL THE ARMENIANS OUT AND THEY SWAPED THE ARMENIANS WITH SOME ANIMALS WITH THE SYRIANS AND SO THE TURKS WAS SAVED FROM THE ARMENIAN DISEASE.............
FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of December 2002 at 22:22:11
FUCK ALL YOU ARMENIAN SHIT EATING FUCKHEADS I AM SO PROUD THAT THE OTTOMAN TURKS KILLED AND FUCKED ALL OF YOU. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE FUCK THEY DID'T KILL EVERYONE OF YOU PUSIES. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE GOOD FOR NOTHING THATS WHY THE TURKS ONLY USED YOU FOR BLOW JOBS AND FOOD FOR THEIR DOGS.ARMENIAN MEN AND WOMEN LOVED GETTING FUCKED BY THE TURKS AND AT THE TIME OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ARMENIANS MAIN OCCUPATION WAS PROSTOTUTION. ESPECIALLY THE ARMENIAN MEN WERE WELL KNOWN AND UNRIVALLED AROUND THE WORLD FOR THEIR AMAZING ABILITY TO TAKE BIG COCKS UP THE ARSE.THEIR FLEXIBLE ARSEHOLES WERE LEGENDARY , PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WOULD TRAVEL THOUSANDS OF MILES TO COME AND WATCH THEM GET FUCKED BY THE SULTANS HORSES IN THE GLADIATORIAL ARENAS.BUT THEY DID NOT ONLY USE HORSES , ARMENIANS DEMANDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL SO THE OTTOMAN TURKS IMPORTED ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS FROM AFRICA JUST TO KEEP THEIR ARMENIANS CITISENS HAPPY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOUR PEOPLE WAS OPPRESSED BY THE TURKS.THE TURKS EVEN LET YOU MARRY WITH ANIMALS JUST TO KEEP YOU HAPPY YOU STUPID BITCH.OTHER EMPIRES WOULD PAY FORTUNES EVEN GIVE LAND TO THE TURKS JUST TO FUCK ARMENIANS BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE MAINLY INTERESTED IN ARMENIAN MEN AND AT THE TIME THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ARMENIAN MEN BEING EXPORTED ABROAD TO SUCK COCK AND ENTERTAIN PEOPLES ANIMALS.THOSE DAYS WERE THE HAPPIEST TIMES FOR THE ARMENIANS AND THEY HAD BIG FAMILIES AS WELL , A TYPICAL ARMENIAN FAMILY WOULD INCLUDE AN ARMENIAN MAN , WOMEN , THEIR KIDS AND BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MARRY ANIMALS AS WELL THE FAMILIES WOULD INCLUDE 2 HORSES , 5 TO 10 DOGS , 4 HIPPOS , 8 SNAKES , 6 RHINOS , 2 TO 4 MONITOR LIZARDS AND SO MANY OTHER ANIMALS. SOME WEALTHIER ARMENIAN FAMILIES INCLUDING THE FAMILIES WOULD NUMBER IN THEIR THOUSANDS.THE TURKISH EMPIRE WAS LOOKING AFTER THOSE BIG FAMILIES FOR FREE SO ARMENIANS WERE HAPPY CITIZENS.
BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THESE ANIMALS STARTED DYING OF UNKNOWN DISEASES SO THE GREAT TURKISH SCIENTISTS STARTED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATIONS ON THE DEAD ANIMALS AND THEY SUCCESFULLY LINKED THE DISEASE TO THE ARMENIANS.
THE TURKS THOUGHT HARD AND LONG THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET RID OF THIS ARMENIAN DISEASE BUT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY CURES FOR THE DISEASE AND THE ANIMALS WERE DYING IN THEIR THOUSANDS EVERY DAY THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
IN THE END THEY HAD TO GET ALL THE ARMENIANS OUT AND THEY SWAPED THE ARMENIANS WITH SOME ANIMALS WITH THE SYRIANS AND SO THE TURKS WAS SAVED FROM THE ARMENIAN DISEASE.............
FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of December 2002 at 22:19:32
FUCK ALL YOU ARMENIAN SHIT EATING FUCKHEADS I AM SO PROUD THAT THE OTTOMAN TURKS KILLED AND FUCKED ALL OF YOU. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE FUCK THEY DID'T KILL EVERYONE OF YOU PUSIES. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE GOOD FOR NOTHING THATS WHY THE TURKS ONLY USED YOU FOR BLOW JOBS AND FOOD FOR THEIR DOGS.ARMENIAN MEN AND WOMEN LOVED GETTING FUCKED BY THE TURKS AND AT THE TIME OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ARMENIANS MAIN OCCUPATION WAS PROSTOTUTION. ESPECIALLY THE ARMENIAN MEN WERE WELL KNOWN AND UNRIVALLED AROUND THE WORLD FOR THEIR AMAZING ABILITY TO TAKE BIG COCKS UP THE ARSE.THEIR FLEXIBLE ARSEHOLES WERE LEGENDARY , PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WOULD TRAVEL THOUSANDS OF MILES TO COME AND WATCH THEM GET FUCKED BY THE SULTANS HORSES IN THE GLADIATORIAL ARENAS.BUT THEY DID NOT ONLY USE HORSES , ARMENIANS DEMANDED THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL SO THE OTTOMAN TURKS IMPORTED ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS FROM AFRICA JUST TO KEEP THEIR ARMENIANS CITISENS HAPPY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT YOUR PEOPLE WAS OPPRESSED BY THE TURKS.THE TURKS EVEN LET YOU MARRY WITH ANIMALS JUST TO KEEP YOU HAPPY YOU STUPID BITCH.OTHER EMPIRES WOULD PAY FORTUNES EVEN GIVE LAND TO THE TURKS JUST TO FUCK ARMENIANS BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE MAINLY INTERESTED IN ARMENIAN MEN AND AT THE TIME THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ARMENIAN MEN BEING EXPORTED ABROAD TO SUCK COCK AND ENTERTAIN PEOPLES ANIMALS.THOSE DAYS WERE THE HAPPIEST TIMES FOR THE ARMENIANS AND THEY HAD BIG FAMILIES AS WELL , A TYPICAL ARMENIAN FAMILY WOULD INCLUDE AN ARMENIAN MAN , WOMEN , THEIR KIDS AND BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MARRY ANIMALS AS WELL THE FAMILIES WOULD INCLUDE 2 HORSES , 5 TO 10 DOGS , 4 HIPPOS , 8 SNAKES , 6 RHINOS , 2 TO 4 MONITOR LIZARDS AND SO MANY OTHER ANIMALS. SOME WEALTHIER ARMENIAN FAMILIES INCLUDING THE FAMILIES WOULD NUMBER IN THEIR THOUSANDS.THE TURKISH EMPIRE WAS LOOKING AFTER THOSE BIG FAMILIES FOR FREE SO ARMENIANS WERE HAPPY CITIZENS.
BUT AFTER A FEW YEARS THESE ANIMALS STARTED DYING OF UNKNOWN DISEASES SO THE GREAT TURKISH SCIENTISTS STARTED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATIONS ON THE DEAD ANIMALS AND THEY SUCCESFULLY LINKED THE DISEASE TO THE ARMENIANS.
THE TURKS THOUGHT HARD AND LONG THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET RID OF THIS ARMENIAN DISEASE BUT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY CURES FOR THE DISEASE AND THE ANIMALS WERE DYING IN THEIR THOUSANDS EVERY DAY THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
IN THE END THEY HAD TO GET ALL THE ARMENIANS OUT AND THEY SWAPED THE ARMENIANS WITH SOME ANIMALS WITH THE SYRIANS AND SO THE TURKS WAS SAVED FROM THE ARMENIAN DISEASE.............
FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS FUCK ARMENIANS
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of December 2002 at 22:16:52
Correction:
Turks before becoming Caucasians were Mongolians. Thanks to their animal nature they mingled with Indo-Europeans and became Caucasians.
Armenians before becoming Caucasians were Europeans.
Americans before becoming humans, were monkeys!
And so on, and so on....:)
signed on Tuesday, the 17. of December 2002 at 09:54:43
turks and armenians are caucasians
blood brothers, one is muslim the other christian,
other then that there are no real differences
signed on Tuesday, the 17. of December 2002 at 03:57:08
los angeles not a turk in sight. never seen one
signed on Saturday, the 14. of December 2002 at 22:20:23
Those interested in Armenian Military History might visit this site: http://arm-military.narod.ru/armenianarmy.html
signed on Saturday, the 14. of December 2002 at 15:43:29
I like this website, however could you please turn of the sounds that it makes when you enter a new page it is incredibly annoying and is considered rude in most cases to play any music or sounds on a persons computer if they do not wish to have it. Other then that your site is very nice, I found lots of useful information and pictures of our culture, keep up the good work.
signed on Thursday, the 12. of December 2002 at 12:35:35
A very nice site. Keep up the good work!
signed on Thursday, the 12. of December 2002 at 10:12:46
Congratulations to all of the women participants (92), from all over the world, who participated in the Miss World contest in London. All of you are extremely beautiful and truly are winners!!!
STEVE
signed on Saturday, the 07. of December 2002 at 15:14:04
I have strong reason to believe that some of my ancestors are of the Armenian decent. My great, great grandfather came to America on a boat by General Thomas Sumter of Charleston, South Carolina. My information is so limited and this is only an assumption. This is my reason for inquiring about this civilization.
signed on Friday, the 06. of December 2002 at 20:08:14
Great web site, nice work in collecting all the information of Armenian history in one place. This site will help a lot of non-Armenian students learn about Armenians and their past.
signed on Thursday, the 05. of December 2002 at 23:32:26
Great web site, nice work in collecting all the information of Armenian history in one place. This site will help a lot of non-Armenian students learn about Armenians and their past.
signed on Thursday, the 05. of December 2002 at 23:29:45
Great web site, nice work in collecting all the information of Armenian history in one place. This site will help a lot of non-Armenian students learn about Armenians and their past.
signed on Thursday, the 05. of December 2002 at 23:25:51
Hey turk....
You don't need to advertise yourself as a turk. It is SO obvious.
I wonder how would you smell when transformed into soap bar.
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of December 2002 at 12:47:43
god sent to me to the world to fuck the all humanity.but ý will spend more time for armenians for fucking.
ý decided to marry with a armanian girl urgently. can you find me.price is not importent.
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of December 2002 at 12:12:48
Interesting website
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of December 2002 at 05:38:00
KEEP OFF O O O O O O O I DEY HERE O O O O O O O O O O O O O O GUYMEN SHOULD KEEP OFF O O O O O O O O O O O I DEY HERE O O O O O
signed on Monday, the 02. of December 2002 at 16:30:41
What an amazing website!
AMEN!
signed on Monday, the 02. of December 2002 at 12:53:28
No need to dramatize "daddy":-)
signed on Sunday, the 01. of December 2002 at 21:15:44
To all of my Aryan children,
Let's get those concentration camps working at full speed. Fire up those ovens...we got a whole lot of non-Aryans to exterminate. Ah, the final solution is back on track again. Round up all those jews, turks, azaris, tartars, arabs, everyone on the African continent, the Indian sub-continent, all oreintals, hispanics...to the ovens with them all. The final solution must go on 24/7. Blessed are the Aryan race, for I have made you in my image. Now my children, do not fail me again. KILL...KILL...KILL!!! Make sure that your hearts are full of hate. Only after you have all accomplished my final solution, then you will be rewarded here, in the afterlife, and join your breathren before you...in HELL!!!
ZIEG HEIL, ZIEG HEIL, ZIEG HEIL!!!
LUCIFER
signed on Sunday, the 01. of December 2002 at 13:28:05
It is time to clean not only transcaucasia, but the entire world from the tartar mongolians (turks and their leftovers azeris), jews, semites, and all the "homo erectus" that are still living among the master race. For the reconstruction of the GREAT ARYAN ARMENIA. Death and punishment to the lower races!!!. Heil Hayasdan!
signed on Saturday, the 30. of November 2002 at 21:48:03
Wise-Virtuous-Proud-Just-Brave-Warrior against the most rigorous odds, who else can survive this except a true Aryan race like the Armenians. Hail Armenians and Hail Armenia!
signed on Saturday, the 30. of November 2002 at 16:55:48
Hey turk..., remember what I told you? Until the world turns, until I see the backs of your hordes going back to Mongolia. Than we can breath the same air.
signed on Saturday, the 30. of November 2002 at 16:50:16
Nemesis,
Man, I feel so sorry for you. With all of the problems that are going on all throughout the world...all of the hate, and killings, and the uncertainty of the future of our planet (in case you've missed it, we all breath the same air, see the same stars at night, and the same sun during daylight), why don't you try to melt those icicles clogging up your heart and lighten up for once in your life. I wasn't trying to fool anyone. All I did was to wish a happy holiday to EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE on our planet. What's wrong with that. You know, you can be so pathetic sometimes.
Later,
STEVE
signed on Saturday, the 30. of November 2002 at 14:29:14
Hey turk....who do you try to fool this time?
1 Corinthians 14:16 - Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how can any one in the position of an outsider say the "Amen" to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying?
2 Corinthians 4:15 - For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God.
2 Corinthians 9:11 - You will be enriched in every way for great generosity, which through us will produce thanksgiving to God;
2 Corinthians 9:12 - for the rendering of this service not only supplies the wants of the saints but also overflows in many thanksgivings to God.
Ephesians 5:4 - Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving.
Philippians 4:6 - Have no anxiety about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
Colossians 2:7 - rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
Colossians 4:2 - Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving;
1 Thessalonians 3:9 - For what thanksgiving can we render to God for you, for all the joy which we feel for your sake before our God,
1 Timothy 2:1 - First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men,
signed on Saturday, the 30. of November 2002 at 10:36:06
To Everyone, Everywhere,
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!! HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!
STEVE
signed on Friday, the 29. of November 2002 at 01:23:59
i am just doin research for a class paper
signed on Wednesday, the 27. of November 2002 at 10:51:14
very nice
signed on Saturday, the 23. of November 2002 at 10:55:05
ONE DAY THE TURKS WILL PAY, THEN FOLLOWED BY SHARON FOR ALL THE UNJUSTIFIED KILLINGS HE ORGANIZED, IE: LEBANON. BOTH ARE THE SAME. THEY DID THE BAD, THEN THEY DENY EVEN DOING IT, OR SHOW NO REASON BEHIND THEM
signed on Saturday, the 23. of November 2002 at 03:49:18
Hey turk...
signed on Wednesday, the 20. of November 2002 at 15:35:17
Nemesis,
WHAT?
STEVE
PS-Why must you always be so vulgar? That's why Sevan doesn't come back anymore. I miss my Sevan.
signed on Wednesday, the 20. of November 2002 at 12:40:06
Hey turk...
signed on Wednesday, the 20. of November 2002 at 07:30:28
Nemesis,
Must you always revert back to your sexual fantasies dealing with big, sweaty men in prison?
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 19. of November 2002 at 12:29:45
I don't play nice with turks... I just f... them!
signed on Monday, the 18. of November 2002 at 08:04:56
Nemesis,
Now play nice.
STEVE
signed on Monday, the 18. of November 2002 at 02:26:33
I hope AR would explain to you what is this page about... I can do it too if you agree to accept my obscene language, Mr. Asshole Indo-Whatever brainless frivoling genetic composition!
signed on Sunday, the 17. of November 2002 at 16:35:06
Why does this page make use of the term indo-eurpean, and yet exalt the semitic culture of judo-christiandom?
trying to make armenia the center of all the diversity in the world must really mean you want to prove yourselves the most ugly, common, basest mulattos of human species with no unique or exclusive qualities to speak of soever.
signed on Sunday, the 17. of November 2002 at 11:31:38
Armenian Reporters Notebook
signed on Saturday, the 16. of November 2002 at 01:47:06
I want to visit Armenia and the part of it that actually belongs to Turkey by motorcycle. Could somebody tell me the way to find the most interesting places and, if possible, adresses to stay the night ? Thanks !
signed on Monday, the 11. of November 2002 at 05:20:38
Hello! I'm proud of being armenian, of being one of the representatives of this great nation, of being one of the first cristian nation.This web page shows the great history of Armenia, it's wonderful. Armenians, don't pay attention to these unpolite messages, they are nothing for us, we know who we are. Good luck!
signed on Sunday, the 10. of November 2002 at 11:58:09
Hope one day soon all Armenians return to their
beautiful country , that includes me and my family
signed on Saturday, the 09. of November 2002 at 05:53:52
ULAN TURK DOLLERI FITIL YEMIS GOTLER,GOTUNUZUN KILLARI PISMANIYE'YE DONMUS IPNE COCUKLARI,ZEKI MUREN PICLERI,BULANIK SICAN IPNELER,ANANIZA KOMYON GIBIGIRIP UCAK GIBI CIKAN BEN,GOTUNUZU HIYAR TARLASINA CEVIRIR,GOTUNUZU TENEFUZ ZILI GIBI CALDIRIRIM,ULAN PIC ENIKLER ANANIZA GOKTEN INER ESSEK GIBI BINERIM ORUSPU DOLLERI TRAVESTI SOYLU PIC ENIKLER ERMENILER SIZI FITIL FITIL SIKSIN BUNDAN SONRA BURDAYIM LAN SIZI DOMALTIP DOMALTIP SIKECEGIM LAN
signed on Wednesday, the 06. of November 2002 at 08:20:45
I'M BACK!!!! Some points that make me proud to be a Turk.
On the UN 2002 development report based on ‘quality of life’ Armenia is in 76-th place among 173 countries. Turkey is in 85-th place.
Also, the leader of Turkish ‘Prosperity’ party Kutan said, on October 31, on the Turkish state TV channel that 30 million of Turkey’s overall 70 million population is on the verge of poverty and 20 million are facing the danger of famine.
So see you Armenians, if we opened the Border at Kars, we would be of no benefit to you since we are idiots. I'm so PROUD.
signed on Sunday, the 03. of November 2002 at 14:41:36
Very good webpage you have here, and best greetings to all your visitors.
You Are also WELCOME To Visit My Webpage as well and have BIG fun...
signed on Monday, the 28. of October 2002 at 18:00:22
This site is absolutely wonderful.
signed on Saturday, the 26. of October 2002 at 17:37:59
Hey Pavlov effect,
How many times I should tell you to hit the submit button only once.
I wonder if the circumcision procedure involves something more than cutting the “useless” parts of your mutant bodies.
signed on Thursday, the 24. of October 2002 at 19:49:27
Sevan,
Yes, I want you for myself. I have waited so long.
Soon, you will be mine.
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 24. of October 2002 at 14:50:15
Sevan,
Yes, I want you for myself. I have waited so long.
Soon, you will be mine.
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 24. of October 2002 at 14:40:47
Sevan,
Yes, I want you for myself. I have waited so long.
Soon, you will be mine.
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 24. of October 2002 at 14:37:42
Sevan,
Yes, I want you for myself. I have waited so long.
Soon, you will be mine.
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 24. of October 2002 at 14:30:20
Sevan,
Yes, I want you for myself. I have waited so long.
Soon, you will be mine.
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 24. of October 2002 at 14:19:34
Steve the Denialist, first you question my integrity and then you want me to come back? Make up your mind dude!
signed on Tuesday, the 22. of October 2002 at 05:11:36
At the beginning was the Word (Logos, Ban@), and the Word was with God!
Even I'm silenced faced with such revelations:-)
But in the name of healthy prophylactics.... fuck the turks....:-)
signed on Monday, the 21. of October 2002 at 23:02:52
Nice Story Nemesis. You have a great sense of humor. I had a great laugh at that version of history. It is a BIG JOKE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Our economy has the biggest bailout in IMF history. We have ports, lands, resources, but we still need aid from the West. We are stupid and will never get it right. We are the biggest blood suckers in the world.
Without the West we are nothing. We would not have food, medicine, telephones, cars, airplanes. We would starve to death.
WE ALL TURKS COMIN'- that is if our shity, rusty, low quality cars don't break down first. If they do, we will ride our DIRTY MOTHERS(DONKEYS)
signed on Monday, the 21. of October 2002 at 21:47:38
Nice Story Nemesis..too bad it is all bullshit.
We Turks enjoyed stealing your young boys to make them into soldiers, The Powerful Janissaries. They were taught the Turkish ways and we used them to conquer Europe. They raped, murdered, carried thousands into captivity, and decapitated wounded Christian soldiers on the battle field. See, we Turks have Honor.
We subjugated the Armenians for years by terrorizing their villages and by settling the stupid armed Kurds onto their lands. We used these Kurds to kill them even more and to steal their goods.
We had a practice run in 1895(300,00 Armenians Killed), in 1909 Adana(30,000 Killed). But the biggest was 1915 - 1.5 million killed, and 250,000 taken into Turkish homes and raised as Islamic Turks.
Now we enjoy to use the West's Money for our military. Without that, there would be no jobs since Turks are unproductive and un-educated. Our favorite occupations include: Driving Taxi's, Delivering Pizzas, and my own carear of mopping and sweaping floors at the mall.
I'm so proud of being a feable Turk.
signed on Monday, the 21. of October 2002 at 21:31:29
The article below explains the nervous breakdowns of the turks coming to this site, and frequent "business" trips of Suleiman the Magnificent:-)
Male Dancers of Old: The Kocek and Tavsan Oglan
With the absence of females in social and entertainment life, the Ottoman
man preferred male dancers to satisfy his need for aesthetics. Male dancers,
rakkas, had more freedom compared to their female counterparts, rakkase
Young and handsome male belly dancers wearing attractive clothes are fascinating male audiences. They
are called "rakkas" which originates from the word "raks" meaning dance. Although the rakka
tradition emerged and enjoyed high popularity during the Ottoman era, there are still very few rakkas
at present.
The rakkase is the female dancer of Ottoman era. Becoming a rakkase or a singer is strictly prohibited for Muslim women. Even non-Muslim rakkase
in Ottoman times had to have headscarves and their costumes bear no similarity to the modern belly dancers' costumes consisting of bikini-like dresses
embroidered with beads and high-heeled shoes.
With the absence of females in social and entertainment life, Ottoman men would watch male dancers to satisfy their need to see something aesthetic.
The male dancers had more freedom when Compared with rakkase. They could be either Muslim or non-Muslim. Historians say that there were two
different types of rakkas: kocek and tavsan oglan.
Koceks had long and curly hair which was seen as a sign of beauty during that period. Koceks did not wear hats or headscarves but wore women's
dresses.
The tavsan oglan (rabbit boy) wore a charming little hat and tight pants. Historians believe the majority of tavsan oglans originated from non-Muslim
societies living on islands in the Aegean and Marmara regions.
Reports suggest that koceks and tavsan oglans performed mainly during Ramadan. At other times these men would work as "Sakis" (bartenders) in
the meyhanes (special restaurants serving meze, raki or wine) or dance at special occasions such as weddings.
Wedding ceremonies in the Ottoman era were not at all like those of modern times. Men and women used to celebrate separately.
The tradition of rakkas is a reflection of the solitary existence of the Ottoman male. In that "womenless" world male dominance in every sphere
sometimes resulted in loneliness.
Life without the female touch must have been boring, or was it?
Ankara - Turkish Daily News
Have more fun:)))
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_726000/726807.stm
http://www.istanbulguide.net/relais11.htm
signed on Monday, the 21. of October 2002 at 20:27:20
I still wonder why God was so unfair towards turks...
Turks do not have offical homo association, because their whole country is a big fagot club.
I will suplement my statement with internet refferals.
Later
signed on Monday, the 21. of October 2002 at 13:50:29
I'm not a janitor,moron.I have a better, job.
I'm a secretary in one of armenian gay associations.But,because I am so ugly, nobody wants to fuck me.I am believing that I will find a gay as ugly as me.Until that day, my dildo is enough for me.
And,I am earning well.Of course not from secretariate.I'm working for armenian lobby by writing in guestbooks with different names.And I'm a very good liar.EASY MONEY.
We killed millions of Turks in WWI with Russians.Turks behaved us very good for hundreds of years.They didn't change our religion.We had 25.000 churches.Also they didn't make us Turkish.We became politicians,doctors.... whatever we want.But, in our first chance, when ottomans were weak,we killed our Turkish neighbours.We raped their girls and women.When Russians left the war we were afraid.But Turks were good.They didn't kill us.They sent us to Syria.Due to war conditions and desert some of us died.Most of us survived because Turkish soldiers were with us.
Now, we are insisting on a so-called genocide because we want to create a great armenian lobby.But unlike Jews we don't have a different religion.So we are using this so-called genocide to collect all the armenians all over the world together and not to forget our roots.Also other nations are seeing us as victims of a genocide in which innocent christian armenians were killed by Muslim Turks.We can not lose this advantage.So armenian lobby is working hard.We will became stronger than jewish lobby.Now armenia is second country after israel which takes most help(as money) from U.S.A
But we want to be first.Of course I don't believe this so-called genocide.I am earning money by this way so there is no problem for me.
Also by writing to guestbooks, I am meeting with lots of gay armenians.But when they saw me,none of them wanted to fuck me.I didn't give up yet.I will find one.
Sevan,are you sure that you aren't a boy,darling?
signed on Monday, the 21. of October 2002 at 12:02:03
To FuckHeaded fake writer of me....
what a fool man are you???? what do you try to do?
i know maybe... you can not write with your own nick...you are so coward.... you must be coward infact...we have the strongest army of the middle east...if you can come and battle you armenian Bastard... no, you can't i know that you have no soldier or someone that can fight with us...
GO TO HELL SUN OF A BITCH...
YOU TOO NEMESIS ( How can I forget you,the king of the gays)
Wait, ready for fucking....WE ALL TURKS COMIN'
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signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 23:11:11
To Nemesis,
If what I write is all it takes to bore you, and your terroristic cult, to DEATH, then, so be it. Whatever it takes to get you and your freak show carni's off this site. Can't you get it through you're heads that you're not welcome, or even wanted here. So, hit the road, and don't forget to eem voriga bacheek doer! BTW, I see that you're still trying to impersonate me. I am flattered. However, you are really wasting your time in doing so. Your intellect is light years below mine. You would need to evolve another million years before you can even come close to being on the same playing field as me. So, until then, go and myruht kooneh, you kuk oudelic shoon!! Hey aboosh, don't forget to mop those floors to a high shine, and don't forget to clean those mall toliets this time (there have been some complaints to your boss).
To Sevan,
Where are you? I miss you. I'm waiting for you.
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 23:06:23
To Nemesis,
If what I write is all it takes to bore you, and your terroristic cult, to DEATH, then, so be it. Whatever it takes to get you and your freak show carni's off this site. Can't you get it through you're heads that you're not welcome, or even wanted here. So, hit the road, and don't forget to eem voriga bacheek doer! BTW, I see that you're still trying to impersonate me. I am flattered. However, you are really wasting your time in doing so. Your intellect is light years below mine. You would need to evolve another million years before you can even come close to being on the same playing field as me. So, until then, go and myruht kooneh, you kuk oudelic shoon!! Hey aboosh, don't forget to mop those floors to a high shine, and don't forget to clean those mall toliets this time (there have been some complaints to your boss).
To Sevan,
Where are you? I miss you. I'm waiting for you.
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 23:03:43
Whatever Guy!!!
We Turks have done much in our history. Rape, Murder, Pillage. Now, I'm trying a new strategy:
I WILL BORE ALL THESE ARMENIANS TO DEATH WITH MY CRAP!!!!
Steve
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 21:31:07
To Alter Ego of To NEMESIS BRAINLESS aRMENIAN!
We are sick of your stupid games Nemo(The Homosexual. Your pretend friend Steve is not fooling us. He can never be a TURK!!!!!!!!!
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 20:29:48
To Nemesis,
N I C E T R Y K U K O U D E L I C S H O O N!!!
STEVE
PS-Hey aboosh!! You can't even impersonate me correctly, vor!!
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 18:00:07
As everybody can plainly see, I like wasting my time on trying to discredit everybody and figure our who they are. It is the only type of scholarly work I know.
To my Turkish Brothers, please stop showing our real beastial side. We need to fool the world and show them that we are humans. You are defeating our purpose by showing everybody our true qualities.
Sometimes, I need to travel to the far side of the city to cover for other janitors that call in sick. I love keeping the floors clean in the mall I work at. In order to make myself sound smart, I call myself a sanitory engineer.
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 11:25:02
Well, it's great to be back. Unlike Nemesis, I have a job that requires me to travel at times. So I can't be here 24/7. Let's see what I've missed.
I can see that there are some new people on the board. Some legitimate, others not. Nemesis, this looks like some of your handiwork. How many of these characters are you playing? You're certainly not fooling anyone.
You may all have noticed that I haven't responded to Samantha T. I won't respond to someone who lacks any credibility. She constantly contradicts herself, always having to modify her "story" to fit her B.S. response. Then, when cornered, she resorts to using homosexual vulgarity. This is obviously a defense mechanism. She doesn't want anyone to know that she...is really a he!!! This then brings up the question...Who could Samantha really be played by? My money is on Nemesis. He really enjoys playing gay roles. After all, his favorite pastime is hanging out in mens prisons, and being anybodys "girlfriend". And it's true when Nemesis says that he's not a "racist". Ask any male inmate in the prisons anywhere in the world where he's been to. They'll tell you that he never discriminates when it comes to him (Nemesis) being their (inmates) "girlfriend". Another good reference source, to track Nemesis's gay trails, is to contact the Greek navy. If there isn't a prison nearby, he'll just jump on board any Greek naval vessel, and will proceed to "service" their "servicemen".
As for Sevan. It's good to see you back. Did you know that Nemesis called you a "boy"? But, don't worry. I defended you...again! You never say shit to anyone that insults you all over the place. Yet, when I come to your defense, you treat me like shit. Now, what can one conclude from this? Either you're a true racist in that you only hate Turks, or, you're a lesbian and just hate men (or Turkish men), or, you're into being insulted by everyone. Perhaps it excites you sexually. So, which one is it Sevan? Pick one. Or, is it a combination of all three?
As to the tough Armenian (230 lb., 6'3") who lives in Glendale. You talk big asshole. Haven't you had enough of getting your asses kicked by everyone throughout history? Give it a rest, fool!
As to David W. Nothing will get through to this khmbo. He's in total denial! Either that, or he's an Armenian plant (as I suspected from the start). So, either way, he's certainly not worth wasting any time on.
I'd like to welcome my Turkish brothers to this site (the real ones, not the phoney replicants). If you'll follow my lead, and cut down on the swearing (you're only bringing yourselves down to their level), you'll find that you can accomplish a lot more. Force them to come up to your level. Give it a try, and good luck. Take care.
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 10:53:47
To Lucifer:
Don't worry! I will fuck your mother too. I know you so well. You are the Lucifer, with the Petrol in your mind, and the dirty books in your hand, but your time will come soon.
Here a piece of advice: If anybody believes that one can build a pipeline close to our borders, without our permission is deeply mistaken. So deeply that even your premises won’t help him to hide!
Regards, mother fucker Baptist Jew- “Christian” heretic!
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 10:31:30
Uhhh Hiya Fred,
Is the quarry hiring? Duhhhhhhhh I need a job. Wow Fred, your ass looks really nice today. Have you been working out? I would love to put my dick in it.
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 09:08:15
Hi Kaan and Armenian Whatever,
Don't I look sexy on the T.V.? You must spend all day at home since you have no job due to a lack of education. Are you masturbating yet in front of the T.V. due to my sexiness?
Please tell me your fantasies. I will try and make them come true. But you can't fuck my husband. He is not a homsexual.
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 08:57:40
Kaan and the Armenian Whatever,
YOU MAKE ABSOLUTLY NO SENSE!! Your here fighting a losing battle. Do you think this is all serious? Go and prove your thesis in the real world. Go write papers and essays. But unfortunitly:
YOU CAN'T BACK IT UP SINCE YOUR EXISTANCE IS BULLSHIT.
This is so funny. You guys are writing to a cartoon character. HAHAHAHAH. I am having a good laugh. You two really have no life.
YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOTHER FUCKERS.
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 08:54:40
To Nemo(The Homosexual)
Good work, homo.Now, let’s search from google first “armenian gay”and then “Turkish gay”
Results are as I expected.You armenians, in all cities where you live,have armenian gay associations.(Which one’s member are you?)
Have you got more to say homo?
To the moron who mimics others and writes as a cartoon character.
You must have a name.Let’s call you as Çakmaktaþ.
Yes,Çakmaktaþ.First how old are you?I guess not more than 10 years.(Maybe I will be your father, had your mother fucked by a Turkish cock?Ask her)
I didn’t watch the english version of the cartoon but it’s spelling is same what you wrote, in Turkish.But it is obvious that you are writing from Turkiye.If not, tell us where are you?Don’t afraid like Nemo(The Homosexual).I will not hurt you.Besides you will take pleasure.
KAAN
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 08:42:31
To Fred Flintstone,The Bastard Armenian Caveman...
Look Bastard, Brainless Caveman! Do you know polished stone? Oh i don't think so...you even dont know the stone...so you mustn't talk with us...Go and try to catch a dinosor...Go back to your cave...anti-civilization animal...( i apologize from all real animals)
signed on Sunday, the 20. of October 2002 at 06:41:00
You must relax and not make fun of the Armenians. They are too smart and high up on the food chain. Being happy is accepting what you are.
Your Father, the dirty, stinky piece of SHIT on the ground.
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 23:57:59
WHAAAAA WHAAAAAA WHAAAA. Armenians are making fun of me. Please don't. I will suck everybodies cock for FREE. Turks are not humans. We love to kill innocent people. The RED in the TUrkish flag represents all the innocent Christians we have killed.
I will stay here for as long as it takes since I am un-educated and have no job. I actually think I am accomplishing something.
WE ALL TURKS COMIN'- that is if our shity, rusty, low quality cars don't break down first. If they do, we will ride our DIRTY MOTHERS(DONKEYS)
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 23:48:49
Your such a fucking loser Kaan. Writing back to a cartoon character. Obviously, you don't know English. Yabba Dabba Doo is English you uneducated ass-hole.
Your entire existance is a lie. Turkish History is a fucking joke. So since you like the world of make believe, I will continue to use Fred Flintstone.
YABBA DABBA DOOOO MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 23:37:14
Your such a fucking loser Kaan. Writing back to a cartoon character. Obviously, you don't know English. Yabba Dabba Doo is English you uneducated ass-hole.
Your entire existance is a lie. Turkish History is a fucking joke. So since you like the world of make believe, I will continue to use Fred Flintstone.
YABBA DABBA DO MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!1
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 23:33:22
To all of my Armenian children,
I can not tell you how proud I am of all of you! You make my work so much easier. Please continue in your usual styles. I have a nice, warm area reserved just for you, when your time comes. You will be with the rest of your brothers and sisters. But, most importantly, you will ALL be mine forever!!!!
LUCIFER
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 21:40:21
Thanks Nemesis :)))
What is there to be racist about Kaan?
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 15:05:03
Have fun Evertybody:-)))))))http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002191799,00.html
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 14:26:17
Armenian-Fucker Terror Squad Headquarter,
Bizim adýmýza yazan kiþinin Türkiye’den yazdýgý kesin.Ama nemesis oldugunu sanmýyorum çünkü cümleleri daha basit.Yakalarsam, domaltma iþini þahsen üstleneceðim :))
Ata ile aþaðýdaki maili sayesinde tanýþtým.O da Steve’i tanýyormuþ.Ama senin onu aramadýðýný ve onu nerden tanýdýðýný da bilmediðini söyledi.O yüzden telefonunu biliyorsan bi ara ya da mail at.Ondan sonra görüþürüz.
Kendine iyi bak,
KAAN
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 11:35:53
Armenian-Fucker Terror Squad Headquarter,
Bizim adýmýza yazan kiþinin Türkiye’den yazdýgý kesin.Ama nemesis oldugunu sanmýyorum çünkü cümleleri daha basit.Yakalarsam, domaltma iþini þahsen üstleneceðim :))
Ata ile aþaðýdaki maili sayesinde tanýþtým.O da Steve’i tanýyormuþ.Ama senin onu aramadýðýný ve onu nerden tanýdýðýný da bilmediðini söyledi.O yüzden telefonunu biliyorsan bi ara ya da mail at.Ondan sonra görüþürüz.
Kendine iyi bak,
KAAN
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 11:32:10
Sevan(hermaphrodite racist bitch),
Thanks, I have a very good life.You are frequently using “Get a life”.Have you got one?Or, have you got a boyfriend, a husband?
I think no.You are just a hermaphrodite racist bitch, aren’t you?
Waitig for your answer, bitch!
KAAN
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 11:29:26
KAAN OKU!!!
BU OROSPU ÇOCUÐU NEMESIS BENÝM NICK LE YAZMIÞ...HERALDE SENIN VE FLORIST IÇINDE YAZMIÞ....BU IBNEYI YAKALAYIP DOMALTALIM...
FLORISTI VE ATAYI TANIYORUM... AMA STEVE NERDE NIYE YAZMIYO BILGIN VARMI?
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 10:23:49
To NEMESIS BRAINLESS aRMENIAN!
You go universities!! Interesting... I don't think that you have a brain or sth. like that...If they let you in to university maybe they wanna research you.... they have to know what are you? what is your classification...
But i know that the info that they can learn about you is only this things:
-aRMENIAN
-HOMOSEXUAL
-NOT HOMO-SAPIENS
-TURKISH DICK-LOVER
-CLASS COULDN'T BE FOUNDED
-A AMORPHOUS MATTER
Wait, ready for fucking....WE ALL TURKS COMIN'
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signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 10:17:02
To Sergej,
Nice site!
Jively Brato! FUCK THE turks....:-)
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 09:18:57
Hey turk....,
I'm ARMENIAN. My hobby is being TurkoYEBACH, my destiny is Kazakian.
Armenians do not need to be defended. You are not human. If you were, you would have had the decency to apologize for the misery your filthy so-called "nation" caused. I have every right to say whatever I say, and you cannot do anything about it. I'm telling the truth about turks everywhere. Universities, friends, bars, churches, newspapers, ... everywhere. And I will continue to do so like it or not.
Here, some educational material for you:
One of the pivotal laws in human behavior: The more you move, the deeper my "Little John" will penetrate:-)
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 09:12:09
To Moron No. 2 below me, not only are you waste of time for Nemesis and I, you are a waste of time for yourself as well. Now get a life!
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 06:38:06
Sevan,
Are we talking about the same moron?Is Nemo(The Homosexual) defender of armenian people?How is he doing this?By swearing to Turks.
I don't hate humans. I don't think that turks are humans. You are an animal. Your kids, your mother and your filthy turkish father, to me are animals, that do not deserve to live. The reason for that is well known mother f....ker son of a turk.
signed on Thursday, the 10. of October 2002 at 16:28:13
The best turk is the death turk
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 16:19:34
These are only two examples of his last postings.He is a racist homosexual and if you are defending him you are a racist bitch.And I do not respect to a person(a man or a woman) who doesn’t respect to me and to my nation.
Also, until you STOP telling lies about Turks and swearing to them, I AM HERE.
KAAN
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 06:20:12
Barev ape!!!
Wonts es` tsavd tanem?
The bigger the gun, the more fun!! :-))
Pozdravi iz Srbije
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 05:38:27
To Morons below me, Sevan is a unisex name, like most Armenian names. Unlike Nemesis, a defender of the Armenian people on this site, you are here to cause trouble. Armenians have been on this earth for 3000 years and have contributed to all fields. You have been here for 1000 years and all you have done until now is destroy the world.
One more thing: I am a woman. But since you are a rapist and destroyer, I shouldn't be surprised that you have no respect for (Armenian) women.
Now please leave and get a life! In other words, start contributing to the world instead of destroying it!
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 03:28:38
Sorry, I had written that I became a boy instead of girl.Because I am introducing myself as a boy in guestbooks.But now I am totally a girl.So Turkish Cocks will continue to fuck me.Ohhhh,Ohhhh.......REALLY THIS THE LIFE!
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 02:30:52
To sevan(The Transsexual)
I have been here since 14'th of this month.For five days.You must tell Nemo(The Homosexual)to get a life.He is here from the beginning.
And, don't escape from answering my question?How did you become a boy suddenly?Until your answer I will call you as transsexual.
To Nemo(The Homosexual)
Get a life!
To the moron who mimics me,armenian-fucker terror squad headquarter and florist.
You are writing the words like YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! with Turkish spelling, moron.This means, you are living in Turkiye.So you will understand this.
YAKALARSAM, MUCK MUCK
KAAN
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 02:23:01
I was born as a boy.But, I never felt like a boy so I became homosexual.Then, I saw a Turkish cock.That was enormous.
But, Turks are not homosexuals so they didn't want to fuck me.Then I became a boy with surgery.Everybody thinks that I'm a girl.They don't know I'm transsexual.
So, now magnificent Turkish Cocks are fucking me and I 'm sucking them.THIS IS THE LIFE.
signed on Saturday, the 19. of October 2002 at 02:10:09
The last name is Flintstone not Chakmaktashe. The only similarities between me and Turks is that we all live in the stone age.
YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 22:51:19
Whaaaa Whaaaaaaaaa Whaaaaaaa!!! I lost my baby bottle. I need something else to suck on. Please Steve, Ata, somebody, I need a cock in my mouth.
We love to rape women. We killed thousands of Serb's, Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs, Assyrians, Hungarians, and Bulgarians. We are the most dishonorable nation on the earth.
WE ALL TURKS COMIN'- that is if our shity, rusty, low quality cars don't break down first. If they do, we will ride our donkeys.
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 22:44:35
I speak exactly the way my low life scum bag parents speak in our home. My father calls my mother a fucking slut all the time. He likes to beat her all the time as is his right from the Koran.
I like to speak about genes but know absolutly nothing about genetics. SOmetimes these big words give me headaches. Ouch. I love telling everybody that I am a homosexual as is clearly seen from my postings.
WE ALL TURKS COMIN'- that is if our shity, rusty, low quality cars don't break down first. If they do, we will ride our donkeys.
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 22:37:29
I speak exactly the way my low life scum bag parents speak in our home. My father calls my mother a fucking slut all the time. He likes to beat her all the time as is his right from the Koran.
I like to speak about genes but know absolutly nothing about genetics. SOmetimes these big words give me headaches. Ouch. I love telling everybody that I am a homosexual as is clearly seen from my postings.
WE ALL TURKS COMIN'- that is if our shity, rusty, low quality cars don't break down first. If they do, we will ride our donkeys.
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 22:34:30
Hey turkish peasants. I wonder what you would feel like if you stumbled across a turk killing, azeri raping 6'5 230lb Armenian with a cock the size of the pole your diseased turkish flag sways upon. Ill rip your head off with my bare hands and jerk off down your neck you peasant. You goatfucking diseases. Thanksgiving is coming up turkeys.
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 17:27:46
Hey turkish peasants. I wonder what you would feel like if you stumbled across a turk killing, azeri raping 6'5 230lb Armenian with a cock the size of the pole your diseased turkish flag sways upon. Ill rip your head off with my bare hands and jerk off down your neck you peasant. You goatfucking diseases. Thanksgiving is coming up turkeys.
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 17:25:02
Hey filthy turkish genetic make up,
Parasite is your mother's son. The reason why your filthy women shave their p..... is because of that. Not to catch any parasites from the cattle that you love to indulge with.
You are such a miserable "nation". No wonder you are treated worse than the gypsies. Total garbage. Everything you have is stolen and plundered from other nations. You are hereditary criminals.
The best turk is the death turk:-)
Give my regards to your president's wife. An African friend of mine expressed vivid interest to measure her anal pi:-)
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 16:19:34
To Moron No. 2 below me, get a life!
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 14:11:26
Armenians don't need to fake their existance.Is that true Sevan?
If so,who was the human-shit who used Florist's name and then my name FIRST?Not an armenian?Yeah, he/she must be a Turk swearing to other Turks.
Also an armenian doesn't fake about his/her sex.(never fake about anything.They are angels)So this means that you are transsexual, Sevan.If not, how did you become a boy, suddenly?
The truth is, armenians are the most dishonorable nation in the world including you.And this is because of your PARASITE GENES so don't feel guilty.
KAAN
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 12:30:33
Hey human resemblance (aka. turks),
The movie is called "Ararat". Better late then never. Even the deaf and the blind will know what kind of human waste turks are.
The best turk is the death turk!
AMEN!
Yours Truly TurkoYebach Kazakian (aka. chetnik:-))
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 10:45:21
To Moron below me, I am not Nemesis. Armenians don't need to fake their existence. Also, this is an Armenian site. Either adapt, or get lost.
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 10:20:01
THÝS ÝS MY LAST WARNÝNG.
I CLOSED THÝS GUESTBOOK TO ARMENIAN SUPPORTER.
IF I SEE A SUPPORTER HERE , I WILL CATCH HIM AND TERMINATE WHEREEVER HE GOES
OTHER GUEST CAN DÝSCUSS ART, MUSIQ
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 09:08:47
To Birdbrained, Penis-lover, Unknown Sexual Object(USO) NEMESIS!!!!
Listen fuck head! It can only be your style to write with somebodyelses nick!!! I know you love fuck! But if you want, i can along my DICK to your mouth from ANKARA! Where are you? In Yerivan( eReVAN.. no matter i will fuck you)..ready for penetration! i will bring a camera for you ! Maybe i can earn some money with your penetration video!!!
GOOD NEWS!!!!
NEW FILM!
ALL ACROSS EUROPE!
STARRING...nemesis AND HEADQUARTER WITH ENORMOUS PENIS!
*******aRMENI PENETRATION****************
DON'T MISS......
AND a suggestýon to that FUCK-HEADED BASTARD NEMESIS!
DON'T FORGET THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE BELOW NEXT TIME YOU WRITE WITH MY NICK!!!!
Wait, ready for fucking....WE ALL TURKS COMIN'
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signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 05:55:48
Armenian-Fucker Terror Squad Headquarter, get a life!
Steve the Denialist, no one here is interested in more later.
Nemesis, you're doing a good job! And how did you guess I was a man?? :)
signed on Friday, the 18. of October 2002 at 02:54:13
I'm so bored of Turkish Male Ass. I need fresh new beautiful Armenian ass. Yes, like I've said before we TURKS ARE COMING! Then we will do what we do best. Be uncivilized rapists and murderers. We will kill all the women so I can have as many men as I want. Ohh...all that ass.
We are the biggest losers. All Mosques in Turkey are converted Armenian Churches. Hagia Sofia Dome was constructed by the Armenian King. Topkapi Palace was designed by the Armenian Dayan. We can't do anything right. Except Rape. It's really fun once you get used to it.
Our buildings topple after one earth quake. We are pathetic. Our Special Forces captured Ocalan and someone told us exactly where to find him. Otherwise, our Special Forces only suck each others small penises.
If only we can become Armenian. Then we will have a history full of glory.
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 22:48:32
Hey stinky turkish pig, taliban loving islamic garbage, jewish ass liking skunk, castrated human trash, hereditary looser, Armenian toilets janitor!
A man's penis is suppose to penetrate woman's vagina. That is the law of nature. Life is not "Midnight Express". Wake up, fagot!
If I penetrate into your mother's vagina with my oversized Aryan Armenian Dick (better known as "Little John"), she would beg me to pull it out a little so that she could turn her head.
You don't need to come. Rather prepare to go back where you came from.
You know what is the only positive thing about turks? You stinky islamic sons of the turks, proved undoubtedly that Darwin was wrong. There is no such thing as evolution.
PS: Here, I forgot the last message. I will fuck your Allah and his family in a way that he wouldn't have any memories.
As usual yours TurkoYEBACH KAZAKIAN
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 22:13:04
To Everyone,
I'M B A C K!!!!!
More Later.
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 21:49:15
you and a woman...i can't even imagine..you don't have sth like a penis...but i know that you have a big mouth that is at service for armenian gays....and for us too...
go to hell....but i don't think that devil accepted you...
UNKNOWN SEXUAL OBJECT (USO)
We fucked all of your women and girls...we will do it again...
regards To ANANINAMIYAN(bastard,son of a bitch... bla bla bla...Armeni)!
Wait, ready for fucking....WE ALL TURKS COMIN'
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signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 14:59:54
Hey turk....,
Given the size of my penis, I will need at least 10 turkish (female) mouths to reward them with "piece of mind" in the form of white jelly. So when you come don't forget to bring your wives and sisters.
PS: Oh, I almost forgot. My favorite tooth paste is "Signal plus".
Warning: I don't use lubricants so make sure that all of you have medical insurance.
Yours TurkoYEBACH KAZAKIAN, distant relative of ARKAN:-)
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 13:33:37
TO NEMESIS,the king of the GAYS!
I had known that you are homosexual already! You are not a homo-sapiens too...Maybe you are something like a stone...Wait for us homo!...Maybe we can satisfy you...
Listen unknown sexual object (USO)!
They are comin for you! Our Special Forces! A team is ready for you that is formed by selected soldiers with enormous penises...
Wait, ready for fucking....WE ALL TURKS COMIN'
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signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 11:56:22
That is very entertaining:-)
Hey turk...,
Why you are so despaired? You couldn't come up with some decent post and decided to forge my username. Is this what your turkish whore mother teaches you. Is this what your fagot professors in your fagot universities, in your fagot capital Ankara, under your fagot government teach you?
Is this an outburst of the Mediterranean decease that was spread out by your converted Jewish friends?
Here is a little clue where to start from in the long way of becoming civilized.
First you need to teach your wives to start wearing bras and wash their teeth, because the only way foreign tourist can enjoy them is doggy style.
Was your mother B1? I don't remember clearly. Anyway I will bring her a present next time when I come to Antalia. Keep doing what your doing, so that we (Armenians) can do the "dirty" job again, by fucking your mothers and wives.
Best Regards yours TurkoYEBACH KAZAKIAN
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 11:42:09
o "BASTARD" called "NEMESIS" or "ANANINAMIYAN" or "SÝKÝMÝYALAYAN" or sth. like that..(Üzgünüm arkadaþlar bu herif beni sinir ediyo...)
Listen you one-cell organizm! Do you have a brain or something like that inside of your fuckin' body?? No I don't think... A parasite armenian has a brain...HAH HAH HA!!!
If you even have a brain, i bet it is in your testises.. In fact i don't think that you have testises on your body too...
You don't have eyes too maybe... You couldn't see the aRMENIAN "FUCKER"! or you are readin with your butt..
You don't have any units like an intelligence service... Because you are not intelligent! Did you remember ASALA that we fucked all over the world... Did you remember that incest sons of a bitches! We killed all of them...If you need us, write to me... We will come and fuck your mouth and back! WE ARE AT YOUR SERVICE!!
You must be grateful to us! If we don't exist, you won't....You know..Biology...One man, one Woman.... Ohh sorry there is no male armenian...i forgot...so how did you increase your population? I think, i know that...and every Turk knows....
what do you think ??...do you have that ability? Can you think???...I am not sure...
Wait, ready for fucking....WE ALL TURKS COMIN'
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"ATA"!!!! Where are you??? We missed you and "Suleiman the Magnificiant" too....
ATA beni tanýyosun!! Sonra seni ararým
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 05:33:15
To everyone,
I'm telling the truth.I AM HOMOSEXUAL.
But I am very ugly.So none of the gays wanted me.That's why I created STEVE.I created him as a Turk because I heard from my mother and sister that Turks are the best in bed.Yes, STEVE is my imaginary boyfriend.Or he was!Because I killed him.
I'm so ugly that he also didn't want to fuck me and I killed him.So he is no more here.Also Sevan,Samantha,Nigel,David and Gonzalo are my imaginary friends.Because I am so ugly that I have no friends in real life.THAT'S WHY I AM WRÝTÝNG ÝN THÝS GUESTBOOK FROM THE BEGÝNNÝNG.HERE ÝS MY HOME.
But, life is meaningless without STEVE.I read how to commit sepuco from a Japanese Webpage.WAÝT FOR ME STEVE.I AM COMÝNG TO YOU MY DARLÝNG.
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 02:52:05
To K.A.A.N.
Listen and read carefully:
Do some research and find a Japanese Webpage with detail explanations how to commit sepuco. Read them diligently. Then go to the wardrobe and put on your funeral suit. Then go to the kitchen, open the drawer with the knifes, or in case you have one of those Chinese sets, chose the biggest and sharpest one. Point out the knife 3 inches above your stomach. Keep the knife firmly with both hands for the handle and strike.
That way you will make a great service to the humankind. There is only one problem. I'm not sure that you would be able to continue your "humanity" courses.
signed on Thursday, the 17. of October 2002 at 00:37:05
To all Armenians Here,
I just found out that my grandmother was an Armenian Girl that was kid-napped by my Grandfather. My grandfathers family murdered her family and forced her to become Turkish and Muslim. This has come as a great shock to me. Nemesis, I am very ashamed of my history as it is all a great lie. What can I do to make things better.
Also, I have started to take humanties courses. I'm hoping that I can become more humane and less angry at the world. Please note that I cannot help it since I am un-educated. Thanks for understanding.
signed on Wednesday, the 16. of October 2002 at 23:11:03
I need to know because 85% of Turkish men are Homosexual. If it is only 15% in Armenia, I will go there so I can have a real man who won't beat me.
signed on Wednesday, the 16. of October 2002 at 19:25:27
PS: The word "fesses" in my previous post should read "feces". The correct sentence is:
Turks are walking factories for feces. (in other words - shit)!:-)
I wish I had some more mistakes to correct.:-)
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 18:03:14
Great News!
I didn't know that we have Armenian Terror Squad in Ankara. I have heard rumors that we have such units in other places.
Listen psychedelic product of defective turkish condom!
You don't need to proof to me that you are homosexual nation. You eliminated heterosexuals yearly last century. Look at your face in the mirror and you might recognize your neighbor's donkey. Then go to the nearest hospital and ask them for DNA analysis.
And don't mess with me because if I put certain parts of my body into certain holes of your body, the function metabolism of your useless turkish organism would become unnecessary.
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 17:56:07
Samantha,
You disappointed me.The language below is a whore’s.I will not talk like that but I will call you as whore(that’s what you are) instead of lady.
Why are you so angry?At last, you showed the whore in you.Did my question make you angry?But now, I know the answer.HE KÝCKED YOUR ASS after he used you.And now you are showing your anger to me.
Also, your messages show that you have inferiority complex.I am not asking but you are mentioning that your old boyfriend is a pizza deliverer.(That’s the fun.A pizza deliverer threw you out.By the way, what’s your educational level. :=))
Or, how your new man satisfies you and the old do not.(Another fun.What did you do with him for two years.And you were going to marry with him. :=))
And,if a woman talks too much, and does nothing like you, this shows that she has some sexual problems.I am the expert.This is your main problem.Did he leave you because of this?And who marries with a whore that has limited or no sexual capacity.Of course a gay like Mr.Romasetti to hide this.If that’s wrong just come and show me.I invited you.You have nothing to show, have you?But if you come I will not spend more than two hours with a whore.And really I don’t know what will I do?Two hours with A WHORE WHO CAN’T GET ORGASM.But don’t worry.I promised and you have a big mouth so we can make oral sex. :=))
KAAN
PS:Florist, all of the armenians are gays like Nemo.
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 13:55:08
To NEMESIS,THe Armenian Bastard..and all Fucking poor Armenians...
You are the parazitiest nation... You have nothing on this earth and you won't have as long as we live on this earth... If you can come and take your land from us.. No.... You can't....Because we HAve Strongiest Army in the world... Our Special Forces are best... NEMESIS,The BASTARD PARAZITE ARMENIAN;
Take Care of yourself...One night,They can come and take you, and FUCK your big mouth that you use for swearing to TURKS....
What?????? I can't understand you???? It is Normal.... But you must not talk with a TURKISH PENIS in your mouth...Didn't your mother tell you to be polite...
Wait, ready for fucking....WE ALL TURKS COMIN'
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signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 12:41:43
I read some place that 15% of Armanian population were homosexuals(ipne). Is that true?
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 12:21:13
Samantha My Dear,
He is a turk. You cannot expect common sense, left alone any other sense. These 'people' are driven by their instincts. Life for them is existence. They have no concept of art, music, and emotions. Their comprehension abilities are lower than my dog's. They are just walking factories for fesses.
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 11:14:43
Kaan, What don't you understand. I DON'T HAVE A DICK FOR YOU TO SUCK ON!
However, your gay compatriot Steve may be able to help you. You can give him your 47:59 hours to get hard and 1 minute to finish. This makes up two days just in case you can't tell time.
By the way, my Pizza is late. Can't you Turks even do that right?
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 08:05:19
Samantha,
I didn’t ask your boyfriend’s job.Is there a brain in your skull.He really threw you out,didn’t he?Tell the truth, lady.
Before talking about my sexual endevours, you must see it.But you are only talking,lady.I think, you know sex as talking and italians talk too much.It is a small part of sex for Turks.Just come and see.I am a good teacher.Also I don’t want any pictures, I want you lady.But if you bring, we will look at Mr.Romasetti and laugh together.
I think David,Nigel and Gonzalo are the same person.A gay armenian.But if not, this is for Gonzalo.
Yes,boy.I agree.Spanish girls are ugly.I don’t know anyone who married with a Spanish girl.But they are really good whores in bed.Beautiful ones and ugly ones,all are coming here, because as I said other men are LÝGHT (means gay) and that’s why you, gays are so angry to us.
And coming to main point, Gonzalo;
You killed every men,women,children and babies who were Muslim Arabians.You didn’t leave a single one.But that was not a genocide.Because you are christians and they were muslims.(By the way, I am atheist but if I compare, Ýslam is much more realistic according to Christanity.Everyone must read the bible to laugh.)
Which war are you talking about, moron.The Mediterranean Sea was our lake.You didn’t have much to do in our lake, so you discovered America :=)) .You must thank to us.
And David,
I’m reading guestbooks about so-called armenian genocide and there are so-called Jews who supports armenians.I’m tired of this.Why don’t you use your real name, stupid armenian?
KAAN
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of October 2002 at 05:40:38
Very nice and informative site. Also, nice conversations go'in on here.
signed on Monday, the 14. of October 2002 at 21:40:41
To Kaan,
A man who brags like you is very limited in sexual endevours. You obviously don't clearly understand English and are of limited intellectual capacity. My Turkish Fiance was a janitor at the local office building and used to deliver pizza's. Afterall, that is what all of you are good for anyway. Those meaningless jobs that nobody else would do. Your such a loser.
And me coming there is a waste of my two days you idiot. But if I do come, I'll make sure that I bring many pictures of men so that you can get aroused. You poor gay man. Go jerk off!
signed on Monday, the 14. of October 2002 at 16:52:11
This beautiful website. Good Job. We in Spain drove Muslims away in 1492 when Granada was defeated. It was a great victory for Western Europe. No more dirty Muslims. We also kicked Turkish ass in Battle of Lepanto in 1571. We sank their entire fleet. Ha Ha.
Now, rest of Europe must follow our example. Balkans need to be cleaned of dirt too. Samantha, very good job. Turkish are all gay anyway. I can tell that your old Turk like only young boys. In the meantime, our ugly girls can go to Turkey all they want. We all know they are despirate and that Turks have no taste in women. Ha ha.
signed on Monday, the 14. of October 2002 at 16:40:34
A note to all,
If you don't hear soon from Suli the turk, be sure that it was not my fault.:--)
signed on Monday, the 14. of October 2002 at 16:20:20
Samantha,
You will come to Turkiye and see what satisfaction is.Most of the girls who are coming to Turkiye are marrying with Turkish boys .Because the other men (how to say) are LÝGHT according to Turks.(But I’m only fucking them in all positions .I prefer Turkish girls to marry).If you visit me I will show you what Turkish sex is.Or Steve is near.As a Turk he will satisfy you too.
I am sorry for you lady.You had been used by a Turk for two years then he threw you out.But you are still missing him.Your words are proving this.
“There was a time I was engaged to a Turk. He was very handsome and I loved him very much. When we were to get married, I was going to covert to Islam so that we can be a complete family. He would even joke about going to heaven since I was converting. It was cute.”
“Just stayed with him for him.”
You are not using this words for poor Mr. Tomasetti.I think he is an old and ugly one.(with a bad performance in bed.)
Why are you so angry to your Turkish boyfriend lady.Ýs his new girl friend more beautiful.I will save you from your anger.Just come.I will not waste more than two days with you.But that will be enough.I promise.
Take care lady,
Kaan
signed on Monday, the 14. of October 2002 at 14:26:56
Steve, what a day to celebrate! Your co-religionists bombed a club in Indonesia full of innocent people in the name of Islam. You should be proud of that victory.
Or is it that these people who believe in Peace, as your good book says, misunderstand their own religion. I think Samantha completely understood your stupid religion and showed that moron the door.
Good job Samantha! You saved yourself from a life of torment. Your kids would have had these Islamic heroes to look up to and would probably emulate.
signed on Monday, the 14. of October 2002 at 12:51:37
Samantha,
The best thing you ever did was to leave that pedophile. The reason he probably couldn't get excited enough is because you lack masculine features.
Just as the idiot below who uses Suleiman the Magnificent as his name. He obviously doesn't know that that moron failed to lay the foundations of a state during is reign which ultimatly led to the Ottomans downfall. Instead, the idiot retired to Constaninople after his defeat at Vienna so that he can spend time with his homosexual boy lover.
Hence, this is why Steve uses the name he does. He has special feelings for Nemesis and wants to penetrate him from behind.
Nemesis WATCH OUT. Your ass has been targeted by Steve.
signed on Monday, the 14. of October 2002 at 12:40:32
Steve, Didn't expect much out of you anyway other than a cheap shot due to your limited intelegence. It's typical of your race. After all, I should know since I dated one for 2 years. He had racist comments about a lot of people.
And by the way, never slept with him either since he had erectile dysfunction(seriously). Just stayed with him for him. Now, I'm totally satisfied with my Italian husband in a way that a Turk can never aspire to come close to.
Your such a sucker. You jerking off yet? Loser.
signed on Sunday, the 13. of October 2002 at 23:02:22
To Steve,
I see you like to create your own stories. You must live in Fantasy Land. And just how did I insult his religion? I just asked questions in order to better understand it so I would know what I'm doing. Don't I have a right to do this? Am I not taking a big step?
Me a racist? You moron. I have been to Pakistan, India, Indonesia, and Nigeria to teach basic education to poor children, mostly Muslim. Just what have you done? You spend your time here at this site. Talk about having no life. You must whack off in front of the monitor whenever Nemesis posts a message.
Go do what you do best and beat up on some women. Afterall, that's what your Satanic Koran teaches you Mongolian Freak.
signed on Sunday, the 13. of October 2002 at 22:35:29
Hey turk,
Mind your filthy language, because I will find you and make you sorry for being born.
Genocidal barbarian animals. That is what turks are.
Whore is the son of your dirty mother, most probably raped by your filthy turkish father and you are the result of this unforgettable love.
signed on Sunday, the 13. of October 2002 at 22:11:26
Hey turk,
What is this decent turk?
Genicidal barbarian animals. Go masturbate in front of your Allah, moron?
signed on Sunday, the 13. of October 2002 at 22:04:11
To Samantha Tomasetti,
I read your letter. Fisrt you say that you're in love with this Turkish man, that he treats you well. Yet, when you read the Koran, and probably totally misunderstanding it, you break up with this decent man, who has personally done nothing to hurt you (according to you own letter), insult his family and religion, and then whine that his family reacted by saying things to you that you percieved as being anti-Christian. Then you go off and marry an Italien man. It would seem that you want to have your cake and eat it too. Sorry lady, life just doesn't work that way. Actually, as it turned out, you did this man, and his family, a great service by leaving. You didn't embarass his family forever, nor did you not contaminate his gene pool with your genetic trash. You, lady, are nothing more than a racist whore. Enjoy your life with your new husband. One can only feel sorry for the poor guy!!
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 13. of October 2002 at 18:33:59
Nemesis,
You'd better stop spreading lies about Sevan!!! She is not a "Boy"!! She is an intelligent, sensitive, pretty young woman. I just know it. You're just jealous because you'll never get a woman like her for yourself!!! She has too much class for you!!!
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 13. of October 2002 at 10:51:53
Never said that the Armenians are innocent. In the large scheme of things, Armenians in the Nazi army is insignificant. I did some searching as you asked. I found out that 500,000 Armenians served in the Red Army. In effect, they helped to over run the death camps. Others also served on the Western front. What did your great nation do for the war effort? I could not find anything of significance. Any ideas?
Why is it so hard to believe I’m a Jew. You paranoid about some one who says it like it is?
signed on Saturday, the 12. of October 2002 at 14:20:01
Hey Proto-human shit, filthy turkish dirt!
Here is a non-Armenian point of view in case you missed it!
'The turk is so absolutely without a moral sense, so unutterably bestial in his consideration of woman, so unthinkably vile and filthy in his personal habits, and so hopelessly degraded in his relations with his fellow man that the depth of his infamy is past all human credence.
The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because not one of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail. And the educated, polished turk--the official who affects a knowledge of the French language and a veneering of Parisian manners--is the most unspeakable fiend of all. In proof that this assertion is based on incontestable truth I challenge denial from any unprejudiced man who has known the turk thoroughly well for a quarter of a century."
William W. Howard
1896
An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery
signed on Saturday, the 12. of October 2002 at 11:20:10
ulan nemesis misin nesin orospunun çocuðu.seni yakalayýp baðýrta baðýrta sikeceðim. ý will find you . ý will drýnk your blood
ý permitted this site . no body will not send a messaga to here.
ý will fuck your country, fuck your religion
fuck origine fuck, fuck, fuck
ý am repeating , no armenian will sent a message against turks
signed on Saturday, the 12. of October 2002 at 10:58:04
You turks are many and stupid imbeciles. Just try to come close to ARTZAKH. This time we will have coffee in Baku, which was built by Armenians.
signed on Saturday, the 12. of October 2002 at 09:38:56
We Turks strong and many. You Armenians weak. Your victory is small because we will soon win our beautiful Karabagh back from Infidels.
We will then finish the Job our Turkish brothers started in 1915. Say bye losers.
signed on Saturday, the 12. of October 2002 at 09:24:05
I think I should render, out of courtesy to non-turks, coming to this site, a brief explanation about the Armenian battalion within the ranks of the Wermaht.
After the Genocide many Armenians found refuge in foreign countries. These people were brutally uprooted from their Homeland - ARMENIA (i.e. occupied till this day by filthy turks). Despaired and hopeless they faced the silence of the World to their tragedy. The best proof by the way, for the Genocide could be found in the turkish military tribunal sources dating from 1919, which sentenced to death and imprisonment many turkish officials who ordered mass exterminations and slaughter of Armenian civilians.
Wilson plan for Armenia has never been implemented. At that time turks felt in 'love' with Bolsheviks and the Armenian Genocide was buried.
Naturally, for some Armenians, Nazi ideology has been seen as a "way out" of the despair. They believed naively that by joining Germany in the WWII they would regain their lost homeland.
Again, the Battalion operated in Crimea and Northern Caucasus and had limited military significance.
In the WWII, 300,000 Armenian soldiers gave their lives for the right cause. The first Soviet units to enter liberated Berlin were the Armenian Tamanian division.
signed on Saturday, the 12. of October 2002 at 02:05:34
Hey Filth,
I have serious doubts about your sanity. Do you believe that anybody would believe your unbelievable stories. I have more bad news for you coming soon.
Remember when I gladly informed you about the recognition of the Genocide by the Honorable Canadian Senate what was your reaction: "It is not binding!"
Steve, the Moslem with the Christian name, mutant body, twisted culture, uncertain sexuality (here is a little secret for you: Sevan is a boy:-)), I honestly overestimated you. Your Western education was waste of time and efforts. Poor Suli.
You are just another turk!
Yours TurkoYEBACH Kazakian
PS: your Armenian sucks. Keep trying Mr. E-Sprite! If I were you I would concentrate on learning the Uzbekistani dialect of turkish, since that is your destiny. Back to your homeland.
I think I still owe to your mother my credit card number…..
signed on Saturday, the 12. of October 2002 at 01:34:01
To David Weinstein,
Nice try! You're about as much of a Jew as I am a Negro. Which one are you this time...Revenge the Psycho Esh, Hyak the Fedtid Khmbo, Truth the Abnormal Jugik, or Nemesis the Kuk Oudelic Shoon? Listen, ABOOSH, read up on the 812th Armenian Battalion, which operated in the Crimea and the Caucasus region. They were formed on December 30, 1941 by the Wehrmacht. At one point they were 20,000 strong. Their commander was Drastamat Kanayan (a.k.a. Dro). Read the German magazine series "Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft", published in Berlin from 1938-1944. You read about, and see photo's of, many of the handi-work of the Armenians as they rounded up Jews throughout the area and handed them over to the S.S. for extermination in the camps. Or, wittness the first hand accounts of how the 812th, after having rounded up Jews, didn't always bother to turn them over to the Nazis. They exterminated them right there on the spot. If that's not enough for, read the Armenian-language daily Hairenik, and the vitriol hate barrage against the Jews. Would you like an example? Okay. August 19, 1936 (Hairenik): "Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews) when they have struck deep root like a disease, and when it becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During a surgical operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing. Under such conditions dictatorship seems to have the role of savior." There are many such examples. All you have to do is look them up and read them. Now, I haven't even touched on the genocide committed by the Armenians against the Jews, as well as 2.5 Million Muslim people. You can read that on your own (go to any library, or use your own computer and do various searches...you'll find tons of information regarding the subject).
Nemesis,
I read what you wrote about me. What part of "Kuk Oudelic Shoon, why don't you Myruht Kooneh!" do you not understand?
To Sevan,
Welcome back. I think I love you. You're very fiesty. I like that in a woman!!! Let me take you away from this nightmare of being amongst these mutants that I alluded to earlier. You can certainly do better than these clowns. Think about it. Let us reach Nirvana together.
Revenge,
TOON VOR ES!!! Eem voriga bacheek doer!!!!
STEVE
signed on Friday, the 11. of October 2002 at 23:46:55
It Is Good.nothing to say
signed on Friday, the 11. of October 2002 at 22:42:51
Unfortunately the history of 162nd Turkoman Infantry Division is not well known due to us Jew’s since we suppress the knowledge of it. During these times, politics and a love for Israel play a more important role then history. But trust me when I say that these stories are well known within our communities and we will never forget.
I find it typical that you would say that these Turks were humiliated. It’s always your way of portraying yourself as the victim which in this case is not true. Many joined willingly, I assure you. Just like the many scholars that say your 2.5 million Turks died because of famine and sickness due to ill planning by the Turkish government and military.
I will try to post some literature on this subject here but cannot make any promises since it may be out of context as to what is going on. It’s just the respect I have to pay for the people of this site and their cause. One last thing, how can anyone try to prove Alkim is not a Turk with that dumb scholarly work below? Obviously, his English is weak just like many a Turk.
David
signed on Friday, the 11. of October 2002 at 21:54:45
To Steve the Denialist,
If you're so into Shakespeare, how come you haven't read Othello?
Now get lost. Please.
signed on Friday, the 11. of October 2002 at 13:32:30
My friend told me to come here and paste my story. There was a time I was engaged to a Turk. He was very handsome and I loved him very much. When we were to get married, I was going to covert to Islam so that we can be a complete family. He would even joke about going to heaven since I was converting. It was cute.
However, before I converted I began to read the Koran to see what I was about to do. Some was good but mostly I found it was filled with hatred. It even allowed him to beat me. When I changed my mind, his parents went berzerk and started to say anti-Christian remarks - IN CANADA THE MOST MULTI-CULTURAL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
Now, I have married an Italian man and I look back to those days as a learning experience to teach my children. Rule number one - STAY AWAY FROM ISLAM THE RELIGON OF SUBJUGATION.
Thank you for your time, Samantha
signed on Thursday, the 10. of October 2002 at 23:26:38
Listen turkish Whatever, whoever human circumcised waste!
I'm not racist because I don't hate humans. I don't think that turks are humans. You are an animal. Your kids, your mother and your filthy turkish father, to me are animals, that do not deserve to live. The reason for that is well known mother f....ker son of a turk.
100 years after Armenian Genocide not even single turk, has expressed remorse or asked for forgiveness. No one. Turkish race should be destroyed. Turks have no right of existence. Period. Millions of people were killed by the hands of the turks for the sole reason of being different. Because they were not turkish, not Moslems, not barbarians, not animals. Capish Idiot.
PS: Today was a very good day for the European Democracy. Turkey is left out from the European structures until 2007, despite of the strong pressure exercised by the Jewish controlled State Department.
signed on Thursday, the 10. of October 2002 at 16:28:13
To Nemesis,
What an expression is that "I am not racist, but I hate Turks". Good for you f..n moron. "I am not a racist, but I hate negros", or "I am not a racist, but I hate jews", or "I am not a racist, but I hate germans". Can you see any difference? Can a person choose his mother and father at birth? Or, is it a choice being a Turk? How much of Turks do know anything about your f..g thesis? Probably most of them do know nothing about theses or anti-theses. During World War 1, around 2.500.000 Turks lost their lives for a f..g war they did not decide to begin or participate. A little recommendation for you: Look at a miracle staring your eyes to see the monster hidden inside your soul. And do not preach me through f..g bible, or f..g Quran, I am an atheist. What you follow as religion is a fairy tale.
To David Weinstein,
As far as I know the Turcomans situated in the German army were the captures obtained by the Nazi army during war with Soviets, They were called Turk Nazis, who were humiliated by Germans and used as a kind of servant who are sent to dirty missions for which Germans could not be sacrificed, e.g. placed in the front lines in front of German forces. I am dreadfully sorry for your great grand father and great uncle. And I wish the people doing this die in pains. By the way, can you recommend me any book , webpage or literature I may find information on those troops, were there any other foreign element in Nazi army?
signed on Thursday, the 10. of October 2002 at 16:13:57
I totally agree. This is why Turkomans,Azeri Turks and Turks flocked to the German army and helped form the 162nd Turkoman Infantry Division. In fact it was the largest foreign element in the German NAZI army.
Those Turks carried away my Great-Grandfather and Great Uncle. They were never heard from again. Their Islamic faith made the Turks enthusiastic Killing Machines.
The Koran dwells constantly upon the doom of unbelievers and positively gloats on their demise. This is not divine, but if anything, an attribute of the Devil that likes to dwell on the fires of hell.
Al least we know that they will be getting nice tans in HELL!
signed on Wednesday, the 09. of October 2002 at 08:22:55
To my favorite mistake - Suli the magnificent anti-human turk!
I don't hate humans. I love people all over the World. I have no racial prejudices.
I HATE TURKS!!! And you are right. I will not hesitate to kill you, just because you are a turk!
And I will Hate you until the time your tick head understands why I hate you!
signed on Wednesday, the 09. of October 2002 at 06:49:15
Help from a Muslim. What kind of a joke is that. The Koran is full of hatred for the unbeliever. Such as:
1) "Fight them [the unbelievers], till there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely." Surah VIII
2) "Who so commits aggression against you, do you commit aggression against him like as he has committed against you . . . " Surah II
The entirety of Islam is but a parody of the truth --- a parody that both literally and figuratively tries to tear down the structure which God has built and rebuild another in its place. For what reason? So the foundation He laid and the cornerstone He established, that lost souls might be returned to Him, could be obscured from their view. This is Satan's great plan, to tear down, deceive and corrupt everything that God has established.
For proof that Mohammed tried to rewrite Scripture, all we need do is compare a few central teachings in the Bible with those in the Koran:
1) Christ Jesus said that in heaven we "neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:30). Yet Mohammed says that "the inhabitants of Paradise today are busy in their rejoicing; they and their spouses, reclining upon couches in the shade."
2)The Bible teaches that we are responsible for our own failings. Mohammed says: "And my sincere counsel will not profit you, if I desire to counsel you sincerely, if God desires to pervert you."
3) Christ Jesus said to his followers: "In the world ye shall have tribulation" (John 16:33). Mohammed says: "Those who believe and are godfearing --- for them is good tidings in the present life" and "The present life is naught but a sport and a diversion."
The Koran is practically the opposite of everything the Bible says. It is a book of Satan. It should be clear that the literature of Mohammed is hateful, encouraging people to live both in fear and by the sword in judgment of one another. Is Allah a forgiving God. On the contrary. He is a vengeful hateful God who teaches his followers hatred and subjugation.
What a Joke Steve. You are applying your God's teachings very well on this site.
signed on Tuesday, the 08. of October 2002 at 22:46:49
Or would you like me speak like dis for you to understund.. him turk brain is not work... we say go away he no understund... must be stupid in the brain.. understund?
signed on Tuesday, the 08. of October 2002 at 21:15:02
To Steve,
you must have one hell of a boring life that all you do is post your ignorant views on a website that has nothing to do with you or your vulgar race. If you do not like our language that we portraying to you then why don't you just get lost.... Sikdir OK..
signed on Tuesday, the 08. of October 2002 at 21:09:35
To Alkim Oksuz and everybody,
Examining the writing of Alkim, I conclude simply that he is not a Turk, possibly the represented name is also a fabricated one; The reason is simply the way he uses Turkish words, he calls Brusa the "green city", IT IS NOT BRUSA, IT MUST BE BURSA. Another such mistake is the word "Doenmehs", A Turk writes "dönme" or in english alphabet "donme", and for the plural "donmes". These are enough clues to reach the conclusion that this guy is not a Turk, a Turk does not spell the name of a very famous Turkish city wrongly twice. I suppose some people are constructing fantasies to satisfy their racist ideas, a Turk who believes that all Turks would go to Hell. How funny, even if there is a crime, the obvious conclusion is that those who committed the crime are responsible, not a whole nation. By the way does this Nemesis guy not have any job, this guestbook is full of comments produced by him.
signed on Tuesday, the 08. of October 2002 at 14:20:01
To Nemesis,
I may be able to forgive your blind hate towards the people of the world, but I doubt if God will.
Your a pathetic little creature who follows blindly the teachings of hate mongers. Vile mutants such as Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, etc. Your world must be a very dark and lonely one. You're in constant battle with the demons writhing in your head. Yet, you would kill me if you saw me without hesitation or remorse. No Nemesis, you are to be pitied. You have proven that you are really a very small person. If you look at my writings, you'll find that I utilize humor as much as possible. I'm just trying to get all of you to lighten up. Stop living in the past. No one alive today was around a century ago. So, how do you know that everything that happened actually happened that way. Stories could've been fabricated, or embelished, or whatever. If you, or others like you, had the power, you'd destroy an entire nation, its race and its religion, just to satisfy your vengeful heart (if you truly even have such a thing as a heart). Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? Who do we all know in history that did just that when they had the power? We've already mentioned some of their names, but as you know, there are many others. You'd simply join their ranks. Nemesis, what I'm about to say is NOT in jest. YOU NEED PSYCHIATRIC HELP DESPERATELY!!! You need to get a life. All you do is hang around this board 24/7. That is not healthy. I've offered to help you several times. All you ever did was to trash me and my family members. Did that make you feel like a BIG MAN when you did that? You made your bed, now go and lay in it. May God help you.
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 08. of October 2002 at 02:20:45
'The turk is so absolutely without a moral sense, so unutterably bestial in his consideration of woman, so unthinkably vile and filthy in his personal habits, and so hopelessly degraded in his relations with his fellow man that the depth of his infamy is past all human credence.
The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because not one of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail. And the educated, polished turk--the official who affects a knowledge of the French language and a veneering of Parisian manners--is the most unspeakable fiend of all. In proof that this assertion is based on incontestable truth I challenge denial from any unprejudiced man who has known the turk thoroughly well for a quarter of a century."
William W. Howard
1896
An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery
PS: Even I couldn't say it better!!!
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 23:17:48
To Nemesis,
Wow, such language! Sevan would never use that kind of vulgarity. You should learn from her. Where are you my Sevan? As for you Nemesis, one can only pity you. By your own hand (and big mouth) have you doomed thyself to eternal damnation!!! God, take pity on this wretched creature, for he knows not what he says or does!! He has been brainwashed beyond all hope of reversal. I don't think that even I can help you to save your soul at this point in time.
May God forgive you...
STEVE
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 22:42:04
Hey son of a turk!
Since when someone who says the truth (although, partly the truth, because converted into Islam Jews are responsible only for masterminding the Genocide of 1915) is a traitor. Is this what your f.....g Allah teaches you? To lie bluntly? Is this part of your homosexual culture? Is this your way of life, mother f....r? Is this what your turkish whore mother thought you when you were silly, shity turkish baby?
Yours Truly TurkoYEBACH KAZAKIAN
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 21:38:40
To Alkim Oksuz,
YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR COUNTRY. NO WAY ARE YOU A TURK. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY AN ARMENIAN AND/OR GREEK PLANT. TRAITOR!!!!!!!!
STEVE
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 21:02:49
To Alkim Oksuz:
Hoping that you understand Turkish;
Diyelim ki sen haklisin ve Talat, Enver ve diger butun bahsettigin isimler donmeydi ve o yuzden de senin deyiminle bu kadar kotu isler yaptilar, 2. Abdulhamid'de mi donmeydi? Eger bu konuda ortaya konan tezlerin farkindaysan iddia sahiplerinin 2. Abdulhamid'i digerlerinden hic de ayirmadan ayni derecede vahsetle sucladigini gorursun! (Suriye'ye olan surgun nedeniyle) Senin Turk oldugun bile supheliyim, nesin sen? Sana fazla bi sey soyleyip edebimi bozmak istemem, zaten yaranmak istedigin insanlar anana kufrettiler, eee daha fazlasina da luzum yok zaten.. Hah hah ha ha ha!
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 15:30:18
To Alkim Oksuz:
Hoping that you understand Turkish;
Diyelim ki sen haklisin ve Talat, Enver ve diger butun bahsettigin isimler donmeydi ve o yuzden de senin deyiminle bu kadar kotu isler yaptilar, 2. Abdulhamid'de mi donmeydi? Eger bu konuda ortaya konan tezlerin farkindaysan iddia sahiplerinin 2. Abdulhamid'i digerlerinden hic de ayirmadan ayni derecede vahsetle sucladigini gorursun! Senin Turk oldugun bile supheliyim, nesin sen? Sana fazla bi sey soyleyip edebimi bozmak istemem, zaten yaranmak istedigin insanlar anana kufrettiler, eee daha fazlasina da luzum yok zaten.. Hah hah ha ha ha!
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 15:27:47
To Alkim,
Hoping that you understand Turkish:
Benim senin Turk olduguna dair ciddi suphelerim var, bu arada senin ciddi tarih bildiginden de suphem var. Diyelim ki Talat, Enver ve diger saydigin isimler donmeydi o yuzden senin tanimladigin isleri yaptilar. Peki 2. Abdulhamid'de mi donmeydi, orospu cocugu? Eger bu konuda ortaya konulan iddialara dikkatlice bakarsan 2. Abdulhamid'in yaptiklarinin ayri bir tarzda ele alinmadigini gorursun, ozellikle Suriye'ye surgun olayi....
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 15:24:07
To Alkim,
Hoping that you understand Turkish:
Guestbook'a yazanlar icinde rastladigim en salak ifade seninkiydi, ustelik tesekkur olarak da annene kufur yemis olman da umarim benligini rahatlatmistir. Sen henuz bir ulusun uyesi olmayi ogrenememissin got herif! Talat, Enver vs. melek olmayabilir, fakat senin buraya yazdigin sekilde dogrudan kendi milletini bu kadar asagilatip kufur yemek icin de heralde senin gibi bi orospu cocugu olmak lazim!
signed on Monday, the 07. of October 2002 at 15:20:09
Hey turk,
I didn't know that your mother works in a turkish prison...TZ,TZ, TZ.
Do me a favor (and to the world), send me your address of residence, mother f....r!
Not that I can't get it. I just want to send you some flowers!
signed on Sunday, the 06. of October 2002 at 22:35:12
To everybody here:
We Turks have betrayed our orgins and religion due to falling under the influence of the "Doenmehs" of Salonika who have fooled us. These followers of Shabtai Zvi, a Jew who converted to Islam to save his hide, have taken over our country, stabbed Islam in the back, destroyed the Khilafah, and made us do atrocities against the people of the book that we were supposed to protect. These Doenmehs became Muslim on the surface but kept their Jewish heritage below the surface. Their main beliefs stemmed from the following:
"I shall meticulously adhere to the customs of the Turks so as not to arose their suspicion. I shall not only observe the Fast of Ramadan but all the other Muslim customs which are observed in public."
"I shall not marry into a Muslim family nor maintain any intimate association with them, for they are to us an abomination and particularly their women."
Who were these Doenmehs? Prominant ones were Talatt Pasha, Djavid Bey, and Ataturk who is known to be the destroyer of Islam. Ataturks opponents tried to use his 'doenmeh' background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna.
Some quotes from Books include:
Turkey, Emil Lengyel, 1941, pp. 140-141
During the early days of Kemal's career, many of his followers were under the impression that he was a champion of Islam and that they were fighting the Christians. "Ghazi, Destroyer of Christians" was the name they gave him. Had they been aware of his real intentions, they would have called him "Ghazi, Destroyer of Islam."
TIME, February 20, 1933, p. 18
A hard father to his people, Mustafa Kemal told his Turks last December that they must forget God in the Arabic language (Allah), learn Him in Turkish (Tanri). Admitting the delicacy of renaming a 1300-year-old god, Kemal gave the muezzins a time allowance to learn the Koran in Turkish. Last week in pious Brusa, the "green city," a muezzin halloed "Tanri Uludur" from one of the minarets whence Brusans had heard "Allah Akbar" since the 14th Century. Raging at Kemal Pasha's god, they mobbed the muezzin, mobbed the police who came to save him.
Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation, Lord Kinross, 1965, p. 437
For Kemal, Islam and civilization were a contradiction in terms. "If only," he once said of the Turks, with a flash of cynical insight, "we could make them Christians!"
But the biggest betrayal was using Pews to cover the floor of every mosque, abolition of the mosque slipper and prayer rug, and the installation of organs, choirs. IN A MOSQUE!!!! He even He had forced the women in Angora to unveil and had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and Christians.
We will truly go straight to HELL. But there may still be time to change our accursed ways. To the Armenians on this site - forgive us. We Turks have always been docile and easy to deceive. We were told you were unloyal but you only wanted to be heard.
Regards and Peace,
Alkim.
signed on Sunday, the 06. of October 2002 at 21:59:54
To Eduard,
Dude, why do you keep using Morgenthau as an example? Try scrolling down a little. You'll find that the whole world has discredited him. He hated Turks and was openly biased, never even left Istanbul, and relied completely on information from his two main staff members (both Armenian...gee, what a surprise?). The man and his writings are suspect, at best. In the eyes of the world, HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY!!! Therefore, what you present can be ignored. May I suggest that in the future, you do some homework. That way, you won't look like an idiot to the whole board!!!
To Nemesis,
You really need to do something about your rectal problem. You're starting to rant and rave again. You know how hard it is to talk to you when you get like this. You need to stop "visiting" those men's prisons. Give yourself a chance to heal!! Remember, I care.
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 06. of October 2002 at 21:53:29
To Eduard,
Dude, why do you keep using Morgenthau as an example? Try scrolling down a little. You'll find that the whole world has discredited him. He was openly biased, never even left Istanbul, and relied completely on information from his two main staff members (both Armenian...gee, what a surprise?). The man and his writings are suspect, at best. In the eyes of the world, HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY!!! Therefore, what you present can be ignored. May I suggest that in the future, you do some homework. That way, you won't look like an idiot to the whole board!!!
To Nemesis,
You really need to do something about your rectal problem. You're starting to rant and rave again. You know how hard it is to talk to you when you get like this. You need to stop "visiting" those men's prisons. Give yourself a chance to heal!! Remember, I care.
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 06. of October 2002 at 21:51:02
To Eduard,
Dude, why do you keep using Morgenthau as an example? Try scrolling down a little. You'll find that the whole world has discredited him. He was openly biased, never even left Istanbul, and relied completely on information from his two main staff members (both Armenian...gee, what a surprise?). The man and his writings are suspect, at best. In the eyes of the world, HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY!!! Therefore, what you present can be ignored. May I suggest that in the future, you do some homework. That way, you won't look like an idiot to the whole board!!!
To Nemesis,
You really need to do something about your rectal problem. You're starting to rant and rave again. You know how hard it is to talk to you when you get like this. You need to stop "visiting" those men's prisons. Give yourself a chance to heal!! Remeber, I care.
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 06. of October 2002 at 21:47:25
Listen up tukish pig!
Armenians are not Angels, and if you had the privilege to know me you would have been able to feel it!
Armenian kids and women, hundreds of thousands of them, killed, raped, displaced by the wrath of the Earth - the turks, ARE ANGELS!!!
For every drop of the Holy ARMENIAN ARIAN BLOOD, that was spilled by your sub-human grandfathers, you and your kids, and their kids will pay dear price, until the Judgment day! Capish MORON?
signed on Sunday, the 06. of October 2002 at 21:11:10
damn, reading the signitures is getting me all depressed. so much hate and ignorance going on. seriously, that will be our downfall. i just wish a country would fess up and admit their wrongdoings and another country would try to focus on building a stonger future. oh, and im not armenian or a turk, im mexican. ~_~ just came here for info on a research paper!!
signed on Sunday, the 06. of October 2002 at 20:53:50
"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenains is increasing and from the harrowing reports of eyewitnesses it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion."
Henry Morgenthau, U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, 1913-1916, telgram to the U.S. Secretary of State, July 16, 1915
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How funny. The parasite turk always uses different western names to post messages. When millions of jews have took arms against the german nazis, no one ever blaimed the jews for defending themselves. In fact, the genocidal turks have assisted their bloody brothers in Yugoslavia against the Serbs and not a single time they have accused the Yugoslave muslims for taking arms and defending themselves. A murder of a nation is a crime against humanity that will and must never be justified under any condition.
signed on Saturday, the 05. of October 2002 at 18:42:35
So What? Can you blame somebody for his will to be free?!?
Moreover, to live free in his own homeland!!!
signed on Saturday, the 05. of October 2002 at 17:59:30
...The testimony of missionaries, in private letters... [indicates] that the Armenians are not wholly blameless for these troubles; that they are anxious to be free and often provoke attacks that would not otherwise be forced upon them, and do so for the sake of arousing sentiment in Europe against the Turks.
--Minneapolis Journal in Public Opinion, 30 January, 1896
signed on Saturday, the 05. of October 2002 at 16:38:16
For a thousand and a one time, get the hell out of this site. We don't need filthy bastards like you to come here with their denial of the armenian genocide. Your kind of uncivilized leftovers who insult the memory of the genocide victims...who terrorize the world and destroy churches, will be cornered on the judgement day.
P.S. My dog, ataturk, misses your mom fat-ima.
signed on Saturday, the 05. of October 2002 at 09:13:21
To Revenge,
Hey guy, I haven't heard from you in a while. How are you doing? "AMINA KHOYUM PAZAVANG, SIKDIR OL GET..." to you too, Bro. BTW, does that come with fries? Judging from your writings, I'd say that you're still hung up on mass homicidal fantasies. Dude, YOU HAVE GOT TO GET HELP!!! You're on a one way trip to hell if you don't. Remember, there's a judgement day for EVERYONE!!! The more that you continue to hate, the wosre your eternal punishment shall be. To all of you out there, think about that the next time you unleash another one of your usual hate barrages. When you all have something intellegent to say, then I'll return. Until then, I'm going to take a break from this site (unless of course my Sevan wants me back). When I return, I DON'T want to see any more trash talk or vulgarity from any of you on this site. If you can't be civilized, then YOU should really consider going to some other site. Can't you get it through your heads that none of you are wanted on this site. I'm giving you all a chance to change your ways, or to leave peacefully to another site that will tolerate you. Remember, I shall return.
STEVE
signed on Saturday, the 05. of October 2002 at 01:07:22
Just get the hell out of here you filthy son of a turk. What the world knows and doesn't know is none of your business. You are accused of a crime against humanity. You better think about saving your own filthy turkish ass.
signed on Friday, the 04. of October 2002 at 22:24:51
To the Boys,
YAWNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
You say that you're no "angels". Only now you're admitting to something that the whole world has known for decades??????? Why don't you tell us something the world doesn't already know.
BTW, please stop accussing me of being other writers on this board. I AM NOT!!! I don't need to be anyone else. Your paranoia is showing, guys!
STEVE
PS- I miss my Sevan.
signed on Friday, the 04. of October 2002 at 20:45:54
Please do not forget that Turkey always DEMANDS everything from the world, the EU, the US, France and Others...
This arrogant stance by Turkey will be its downfall...
The Turks used the Kurds against the Armenian's in 1915, that will be just another nail in Turkey's coffin. 20 million Kurds will rebel, and when they do it will bye bye Turkey.... sikme turkya...
signed on Thursday, the 03. of October 2002 at 21:26:00
OOppss,
I forgot about Assyrians, Jews, Yezidis, few Italian families, Gypsies, and of course the Diplomatic Corpus.:-)
signed on Thursday, the 03. of October 2002 at 18:16:34
"We..., who witnessed the birth of your so-called nation, and we will occupy the first row at your funeral ceremony"
Well spoken Nemesis. The turks live the last days of their life. The nation that has no art, or a science of its own, the nation that claims an ownership of what the others have built, will die sooner then anyone can predict.
The turks today, are the peasants of their own instinct. The turks are deprived from most of their natural needs, and they are conditioned to believe that the world is made of the turks and the enemies. No one can live a long and a healthy life unless the production and constant improvement make the base of their survival. Show me an at least one example when the turks have done something good for the man-kind. On the other hand, like Hamo Sarhyan said, "You have forced us to leave our home, you made us to be everywhere...and now everywhere you look, you see us as a bright shining star." ...we have not only managed to survive the genocide, we have become one of the kind that stands proudly next to the civilized world. In the past [one] year, armenians have done more good for the man-kind, than the turks did since the creation of their republic.
signed on Thursday, the 03. of October 2002 at 12:17:07
To Baran (I hope this nickname is chosen randomly):)
Cheap Shot. Really.
Armenians are not angels, and we do not have illusions or delusions of being Angels. Actually it is the opposite. We are very nasty creatures who witnessed the birth of your so-called nation, and we will occupy the first row at your funeral ceremony.:)
The truth of the matter is that after 2 years of Independence (1919-1921) and 70 years of Communism, in the recent 10 years Armenia has achieved much more with respect to human rights, than any other of our neighbors ( we have really bad neighbors) has achieved for the last 100 years.
Armenians, being often persecuted if not anything else have become tolerant people. On the other hand, we have lost 90% of our possessions and that’s why we are so egoistic to what has left. Make no mistake, we will take back what rightfully is ours, when the time comes!
As far as I remember, even Muslim minorities enjoy freedoms that they don’t have in their “supposed” brotherly Muslim nations.
Kurds for example have had their theater, newspapers, cultural festivals, clubs, etc…
The rest of the minorities, such as Georgians, Russians, Russian-Molokans, Pontic Greeks, Germans etc. are not really minorities.
Their number is below any minorities standards and they are integral part of the Armenian society.
Whoever is the author of this pascvile, try with something else – corruption for example, or illegal smuggling of people, or illegal arm deals.
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of October 2002 at 20:39:03
It is good to see so many Armenian's on an Armenian Web Page.... My Friends, please IGNORE this Steve person, eventually he will go away.
To Steve, AMINA KHOYUM PAZAVANG, SIKDIR OL GET...
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of October 2002 at 17:55:20
Who else if not the filthy turks will lower themselves to that level. Yezdis in Armenian, huh??? The only country in the world, where the Jews, the Kurds, and the others enjoy a complete freedom is Armenian.
Unlike Turkey, Armenian today is a member of E.U. . How strange, the yezdi who claims to be living in Germany, not a single time has asked the european court to protect his rights. Over 2 million turks live in Germany because they have run away from their bloody government. While in the past 20 years over 35,000 kurds were massacred by the turks, most of their brothers and sisters have left turkey for europe and armenia.
The genocidal bastard, this son of a turk has changed his name and now without having a shame, posts long, fabricated messages in guestbook where he isn't welcome at all.
Now that the world accuses the Republic of Turkey for supporting the international terrorism, the filthy turks are gone hysterical. The turks have a record that they can't run away from. Be it the genocide of the Armenians, the massacre of the Kurkds, the Assyrians, or the Greeks, will always come back to slam these leftovers.
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of October 2002 at 17:46:35
The situation of the Yezidis in Armenia
I am a captive in my own counrty also.
By a yezidi author
I am a Kurdish writer. I am from Armenia and I am a Yezidi. I left my country for exile (Germany) to escape the oppression by the Armenian state and the nationalist gangs that were established by the state. I believe that no one in this country knows well the situation of the Yezidis. It seems that people who work for the immigration office do not distinguish Yezidis from the Armenians.
With the reforms and reorganizations of the 1980s that took place within the framework of prestroika of Gorbachov, many nationalistic and reactionary movement emerged. Comical and hard core reactionary parties took reign of power from the progressive and democratically minded people. In the war for the mountainous region of Karabakh, armed groups and the regional government decided that no one else but only Armenians would live in the region. They forced other inhabitants such as Azerbaijanies, Kurds, Belorussians, and Assyrians out of the area. Those who were expelled from the area are now scattered all over the world. The Armenians aimed at keeping the country only for themselves. Within two years, the Armenians expelled hundreds of thousands of non -Armenian people from Armenia. That is why the world community and other countries heard about this.
To implement their plans, in cities and villages, everyday the racist colonialists would direct their arrows of poison toward minority nations. Everywhere they established armed militants (Fedayee). They had hatred for non - Armenians. Who were these Fedayees , one wonders? In our opinion which reflects the reality, they were thieves, murderers and crooks. They had a dark past and accomplished nothing worthwhile. Although they got arrested a few times, each time they were out, these armed thugs insulted the minorities. Their job was like that of a wolf, to attack the herd of sheep without a shepherd. It seemed that these aggressors were not going to stop there. Then, the gangs and armed bandits took over the public spaces and intensified their hatred and aggression.
With the help of the state, they would attack military and police stations to confiscate arms and ammunition. They did a lot of cruelty to peaceful and innocent people. They burned the homes of the innocent and wrote on the doors: "Runaway, go; otherwise it will be your end." They robbed a lot of people, confiscated their land and property by force, took away their machinery. And the people could not defend themselves and their rights.
Beatings, verbal abuse and other unpleasantries became the norm. And the Yezidies got their share of this treatment. In the city of Yerevan, a Yezidi Kurd named Alik Hasanyan was arrested and in front of thousands of people was burned alive. He was charged withkilling an Armenian girl and a boy. Later on it became evident that he was not the killer. He had absolutely nothing to do with the killings. Another Yezidi from the Artashat region was gunned down in broad daylight for no reason. Their hatred and aggression went beyond cold - blooded murder. As it is evident from President Levon Ter Petrosyan's speech at the Congress of the Fedayeen in 1993 , "this organization and its armed militants cleaned the country from non - Armenians" He implied that the armed militants of the HHS [an Armenian party] accomplished this sacred duty. Fearing these gangs and their leader, lots of people abandoned their homes and moved to other countries and cities.
At present time, one can say that 98 % of the population of Armenia consists of Armenians. There are very few Yezidies left in Armenia and they are very old and very poor who are unable to move away. They lost their savings and wealth of hundreds of years. Internaitonal human rights organizations and the world public opinion do not know these atrocities. Maybe these atrocities were not newsworthy since the world was mesmerized by the war between the Azeries and Armenians and the Karabakh issue or the collapse of the Soviet Union. Outsiders came to believe that most non - Armenians left the area for economic reasons, not due to the oppression and cruelty of the Armenian state.
Despite much cruelty and oppression, Armenia has become a member of a few democratic organizations and is striving to become a member to the Council of the European Union. And the Kurds have no rights there.
Thousands of people escaped to Russia without knowing what awaits them there in the future. Will Russia refuse them asylum and throw them out? This would not be surprising. There is a very dirty propaganda against the Kurdish people. Both intellectuals and ignoramuses, the good and the bad all work against the Kurds and make them the target of their poisoned arrows. The Kurds have very little to rely on and are without a nest. Even though the Kurds of Armenia, including the Yezidis and non - Yezidis number no more than 60 thousand soul, Armenian authorities are afraid that the Kurds might establish a Kurdistan on the soil of Armenia.
Authorities claim that Kurds are supporters of Turkey and are after snatching away part of Armenia as Kurdistan. Such false claims mobilized a lot of Armenians and instilled hatred in their hearts toward the Kurds in Armenia. A few Armenians who were not beguiled by these lies, were treated as enemies and servants. There came a time when neighbors became the enemy of neighbors. The most disgusting attempt was the one that aimed to separate the Yezidies from the Kurds. They claimed that "Yezidies were not Kurds. Yezidies were a people onto themselves and had no relations with the Kurds." During the census in Armenia, they undercounted the Yezidies. They claimed that Yezidi writers and intellectuals were to be blamed for this lack of delineation because they failed to separate the Yezidies from the Kurds. We assert that such lies have no foundation, no truth value. We stress that Yezidies are the fountainhead of Kurdishness, they are the real Kurds. It is true that the Yezidi religion is no more wide spread among the Kurds, but we surely are Kurds. Kurdish intellectuals, Yezidi and non - Yezidi, denounced such views. Many Yezidies left their homeland after such aggression. And are still doing so in droves. Our people were very desperate and scattered in haste to the old Soviet Republics. Now, a brother does not know where his other brother is. From whatever angle one looks at it, our people have become refugees without shelter and rights.
The retirees who worked for more than forty years, have lost their pensions. The Armenians are forcing them to leave the country. The Armenians are telling them: "Go to your own homeland!!" Well, one has to ask as to where the Yezidi homeland is? We believe that no one sees the dire situation of the Yezidies. There are two faces of the Armenian state: With one face, it wants to expel the non - Armenian population out of Armenia, with the other face, it wants to claim to the world that "Armenia is a democratic republic and everyone living in it is equal. The Yezidies are free and they have a good time there. Those who escape out of Armenia do so out of economic desperation, not due to oppression."
We wish to tear down this curtain that hides this shame and let the whole world see the true face of Armenia. Yezidies are not employed by the state. Before the fall of the Soviets, the Yezidies in rural areas used to work in the Kolkhozes. They were peasants there. Today, those Kolkhozes are long gone. Yezidies in towns used to work as street sweepers. Today, even such professions are denied to them. If the trend continues like this, the Yezidies are going to vanish from Armenia and from the face of the earth. If this ancient culture/teaching disappears, it will be due to the deeds of the Armenian state. Out of desperation, sometimes Yezidies of Armenia even dare to escape to the Turkish side of the border where the Kurds are slated for elimination. The Yezidies are afraid to let the world know what is happening to them. They are afraid to say that Kurdish is their mother tongue and that they are denied all rights in Armenia. Even at times the world lent an ear to their plight, many Yezidies say that they were free in Armenia and denied any claims of oppressed in Armenia. You could guess why.
The rights that the Soviet Union recognized for the Kurds in 1930s are rescinded. We had a newspaper called "Riya Taze" (the new path), research institutes, education in Kurdish language. Today we have none of these.
Everything is under the control of the armed bandits. The Armenian state is waging a very dirty war against Kurdish intellectuals through nationalist organizations like PYUNIK, HINCHAK, HAYASTANI and LIRAGIR. The state sees Kurdish intellectuals as servants, hands and tails of outside agents that are bent to harm Armenia.
Many Kurdish intellectuals were put on trial for saying "Yezidies are Kurds." And the courts would sentence these Kurdish intellectuals. Despite the fact that Kurdish intellectuals defended the brotherhood of both Kurds and Armenians, still these Armenian organizations went against the Kurds. A Yezidi academic, Prof. Dr. Sihide Ibo got killed in the hands of such aggressors and criminals. None of the killers are found and brought to trial. They threw Dr. Dewreshian under a car and ran him over. The body of Hesen Abbasian was dumped at the outskirts of Yerevan a month after. The majority of the intellectuals then left Armenia. This, in summary, is the situation of the Yezidies in Armenia.
Translated by Burhan Elturan
To have a look: http://web2.isaja.de/
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of October 2002 at 17:00:33
ha ha The sick man of europe is willing to hear and assist as with our problems. I can only wonder since when this barbarians, the genocidal bastards have became civilized enough to communicate their thoughts with the rest of the world.
BTW, do they have thought at all-or they only live with an animal instinct. How many times this son of a turk was told to just go away!?!
Hey, only an animal wouldn't understand a basic human talk...one more time, here it comes...GO AWAY YOU FILTHY TURKISH SHIT!!!
signed on Monday, the 30. of September 2002 at 12:29:58
To Nemesis,
My, such language!! You're upset. What's wrong? Would you like to talk about it? Share with the group. BTW, the song that I was partially refering to was from the group "POLICE". I meant nothing by it. I was simply in a happy mood, that's all. You see, I think that I may be falling for Sevan. There's just something about her, I can't explain just what it is. Maybe it's her fiestiness. Whatever it is, it makes me not even care about anything negative that might be said about me. She makes me want to love everyone (figuratively speaking, of course). Hey Nemesis...I like you!! But, then again, you already know that. Take care, mi amigo.
To Eduard,
Hey, lighten up man. Don't you like to have a dialogue and communicate with people from around the world? What are you afraid of anyway? We're all sharing the same planet. Besides, my Sevan gives me a wonderful feeling. I may just be in love. Eduard, if you ever want to talk about anything, I'll be more than happy to listen, and help, if I can. Have a good life, and take care.
The world is a beautiful place, and everyone in it are precious. We are all God's children. Namaste.
Love and peace,
STEVE
signed on Monday, the 30. of September 2002 at 00:32:32
Hey turk, should I say something about your filthy turkish mother and your unknown cattle copulating turkish father....filthy circumcised human excrement!
You may whatch me but be sure that FBI is watching you, Idiot!
signed on Sunday, the 29. of September 2002 at 21:04:48
I wonder where the hell are the Nazarians to kick this son of a turk out of the site. The filthy leftover doesn't even have a sense of a self-respect.
signed on Sunday, the 29. of September 2002 at 19:47:13
Sevan,
If you really want me to leave this board, it's very easy. All you have to do is to go out with me (to improve international relations, of course). Then, after we hit it off and have our first child, then I'll agree to leave this board and to never return. After all, I'll need to have more time to spend with my woman and our baby.
Your mind may say no now, but given time, your heart will see the light and say yes. Like Shakespeare, I have tamed many a reluctant and cold heart, from many a shrew. You'll learn to love me.
Until then,
STEVE
signed on Sunday, the 29. of September 2002 at 12:54:42
You're such a filthy pig Steve the Denialist. I don't miss you at all. In fact, I've asked you several times to leave us alone and you keep coming back. Which part of "leave us alone" do you not understand?
signed on Sunday, the 29. of September 2002 at 07:15:09
you have a wonderful wetpage thanks
signed on Saturday, the 28. of September 2002 at 10:16:59
To Armo,
Boy, are you ever paranoid!!
To Nemesis,
Good to see you back. Remember...Every breath you take, every step you make, I'LL BE WATCHING YOU!!
BTW, where is Sevan? I miss that wild wench. I think I'm in love!!!
STEVE
signed on Friday, the 27. of September 2002 at 20:26:59
No Armo, the Bible wasn't written by the Jews. If the Bible was to be written today in America, no one would have dare to claim that the Bible was written by the Anglos. There are people from all part of the world who live in the states now and the same is true about the Roman Empire. Torah was altered to fit the Bible, but in now way, no one can prove that the Bible was written by the Jews. Just because the semites were a ruling party in Sumeria, that doesn't mean that Sumeria was a semitic kingdom(?). Also, "eye for a eye" and "love your enemy" will always be in contradition to each other.
BTW, have you forgotten that the ex soviet union was simply called russia by the westeners? Over 100 different nationalities have lived in the entire country, yet the people in the west were condtioned to associate the name russia to the country.
signed on Friday, the 27. of September 2002 at 19:44:51
Eduard jan, the Bible was written by a Jew. There's nothing we need to teach them.
Nemesis, nice to see you're still around.
Steve the Commentator, get a life and leave us alone. Haven't my alter-egos pleaded enough with you? How many more egos do I need to invent until you get the point?
signed on Thursday, the 26. of September 2002 at 19:51:19
To David Weinstein-New Yorkian Jew,
Turkish people is a strange kind of mixture which is very hard to understand for those who look upon them from so far away. This mixture especially appears in the political decomposition of ideas scattered through the population. Although Turkey is a 98% Muslim country, this kind of being "muslim" varies from region to region, becoming very different being mixed with different political perceptions. Unfortunately the extremist Islamist ideas getting more ground as the time goes by inside the people. And the wahhabi part of these "muslim" country whose opinions are mostly affected by propaganda from some "islamic governed" countries are approaching some extremist sides. And for those who adopt that kind of "Islamic" perception, Jews, christians,pagans and even people from their race who do not share their "Islamic" views are enemies that deserve only death.So if you are courious about that mayor's opinions, I recommend you to investigate for what kind of party that mayor belongs to, and what leaders of that party say about Turkish people opposing their ideas. I think this would be a more enlightning approach for you, the problem is not jews,muslims,palestinians or so, some people in Turkey feel themselves more Arab than how arabs feel.
signed on Tuesday, the 24. of September 2002 at 16:15:46
Nemesis, why do you waste your time teaching the prostitutes the Bible. Have you forgotten, "the diamonds aren't for the pigs..." Most of the young-turks were zionists from Salonika. Most of the revisionists are again the same zionists who are more interested to hide the truth than the turks are. You think a donkey will ever become a horse by a simple change of a color? You think these people don't know the truth? They are just being who they are. They think the Roman Empire, the Russian Empire (etc.) are the same as the Ottoman Empire. They think by stealing from the world, they will have a right to stand next to the civilized world. What more do you expect from the people who destroy, steal and lie without having a shame?
For the God's sake, let's leave this guestbook clean, and let's get back to the normal...
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of September 2002 at 09:17:47
Nemesis, why do you waste your time teaching the prostitutes the Bible. Have you forgotten, "the diamonds aren't for the pigs..." Most of the young-turks were zionists from Salonika. Most of the revisionists are again the same zionists who are more interested to hide the truth than the turks are. You think a donkey will ever become a horse by a simple change of a color? You think these people don't know the truth? They are just being who they are.
For the God's sake, let's leave this guestbook clean, and let's get back to the normal...
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of September 2002 at 09:12:35
Eh, David, David,
The World will continue to pay dues to the Evil until the time we learn to call the Spade - a Spade. Back to the times of Aristotle, - an "A" is an "A".
One reason to be proud of being Armenian is that I'm not part of that scheme and I can freely talk bull**** about turks, jews, russians, americans, you name it.
Probably Jews have their excuse of being ignorant to the suffering of the others, but than again one might ask the legitimate question, why they suffered. Wasn't it in vane?
Sometime ago, Russia imposed visa restrictions to Georgian citizens to travel to Russia. Such restrictions inevitably would have had bad implications over Georgian economy, and consequently many individuals who support their families working in Russia would suffer loses.
Armenia being close ally of Russia, opposed such a measure against Georgia no matter what might have been the motives behind it. That might serve as a good lesson for the politicians of 21 century.
signed on Tuesday, the 17. of September 2002 at 21:31:02
Sorry guys. Didn't mean to disappoint. The thing is that we support Turkish interests for nothing since they hate our guts.
I honestly believe that we are wasting our time with these Turks for short term political gains. They are ready to stab us as soon as they don't need us. We know...trust me.
The Jewish lobby knows about all sorts of remarks but they hide it from the public. Bad mistake if you ask me.
Anyways, I won't bother you guys again. All the best for your cause..and great site.
David
signed on Tuesday, the 17. of September 2002 at 20:50:10
It might be a good idea to send the letter of Mr. David to the representatives of the Jewish Lobby in US, who vehemently support Turkey. And on top of it as a side note, accusation of anti-Semitism on the part of the turks are not that fare, because it is the kind of situation where the thief shouts "catch the thief".
signed on Sunday, the 15. of September 2002 at 21:59:49
well david, may i remind you that this is an armenian site and you are posting in a guestbook...
david or steve, do you mind leaving us alone?
thanks in advance
signed on Sunday, the 15. of September 2002 at 19:40:16
For all Jew's that visit this page. Please review.
Major Jewish organizations vigilant about exposing anti-Semi- tic episodes around the world have been reticent about calling attention to anti-Semitism in Turkey. In 1988 Mayor Halil Celik, in a protest against what he termed "Israel's oppressive behavior against the Palestinian people," invited PLO leader Yasir Arafat and Abu Firas to demonstrate in Sanliurfa. Celik then went on to say, "I want to put flowers on Hitler's grave who sent the Jewish people to soap factories because what he did was much too little. Nations that scream human rights if they can't equal Hitler, shame on them....From the moment of birth, from their mothers, Israelis who have been innoculated with hatred of Muslims are now oppressing a handful of Palestinians who have rebelled. The Israeli nation is consuming the product of the American people and throwing up on the oppressed Muslims. If I could, I would bury the Israeli society in the center of the Harran plains, just like radioactive tea. Let them see how one struggles against oppression, how human rights are defended." (Cumhuriyet 2.28.88)
Later interviewed by Ozcan Ercan of Milliyet, Celik elaborated "Look, our greatest enemy is Zionism. And I am Jews' greatest enemy...against those who are doing those things to our brother Palestinians, I can't behave in any other way. Today, if there is a state governed by religion, it is with the Jews." Ercan then asked, "Is this the source of your admiration for Hitler"? "Yes," the Mayor replied. "I put flowers at the factory where he made soap out of Jews in Belgium. I wish Hitler had eradicated them all." Asked if such statements might negatively impact on San- liurfa, Mayor Celik answered, "Those who occupy the govern- ing offices, people who serve the state, their thinking is identical to ours. It is not necessary to name them. It may harm them. I can only state that all in the highlest levels of bureaucracy are our close fricnds." (Milliyet 5.14.89).
Celik never apologized nor retracted his remarks, nor did the Ankara government condemn his statements. We should wake up and smell the coffee.
signed on Sunday, the 15. of September 2002 at 15:08:26
and again, steve is posting nonsense in a guestbook where he isn't welcome at all-but this time, he uses different names to spread his lies.
btw, steve
the kindgom of ararat is where the aryans live. Armenia, Almania(Germany), Ar-ar-at stand for the God's land(or a land which belongs to the people of Ar). This is a place where the people of Ar, the aryans, live.
signed on Thursday, the 12. of September 2002 at 13:21:39
Steve,
I talk like dis, so you understand.... do you understand? animal? dirty, filthy pig... GET LOST... or maybe you understand this... sikdir ol get pazavang...
signed on Thursday, the 12. of September 2002 at 03:47:32
To Mr./Ms. Question:
Send me your e-mail and I will subscribe you to my Fan Club!:)
signed on Wednesday, the 11. of September 2002 at 14:22:41
I am looking for some of my history. My family is Armenian, we do not know much about our past except for what my great aunt wrote in a book "We Walked then Ran" about her family's escape during war. We sure can cook the food though!
signed on Wednesday, the 11. of September 2002 at 12:48:50
Nemesis,
Why do you need to conceal your age, education etc.? Is there something you are ashamed of? By the way, no need to hide. Because you are not a half-human, but a homo sapiens sapiens.
signed on Wednesday, the 11. of September 2002 at 04:47:20
Yes, You may ask, but I'm not going to tell you!:)
signed on Tuesday, the 10. of September 2002 at 20:36:51
Nemesis,
May I ask your age,education,profession and where you live?
signed on Tuesday, the 10. of September 2002 at 00:24:43
Who is talking about Republic of Ararat, Idiots.
There has never been such a thing. And who cares about turkish propaganda. Do you believe that someone buys this bull****. The facts are: Turks are guilty as a nation, for perpetrating a Genocide against Christians.
Being stupid is not an excuse, same as, not knowing the Law is not an excuse. If I kill somebody without knowing that it is a crime, would I be acquitted on the grounds that I didn't know the Law, or killing "infidels" doesn't constitute a crime?
signed on Sunday, the 08. of September 2002 at 22:41:42
For the facts:
http://www.turkishembassy.org/governmentpolitics/issuesarmenian.htm
signed on Sunday, the 08. of September 2002 at 16:04:35
You must be dreaming a lot. Only someone with a vivid imagination could even thik to write the shit you write here on this page. Face the facts. There isn't and there will never be a so called "Republic of Ararat". It lives only in your dreams. Whatever you say and whatever you do the facts never change and the rest of the world is not stupid.
signed on Sunday, the 08. of September 2002 at 15:35:34
This webpage has shown to be a wealth of information. I really enjoy reading about the greatness of the various Christian Civilizations and it's great acheivements.
Before I leave I would like to quote a few phrases from the Koran.
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)
"Men take authority over women... As for those who are disobedient, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (Surah 4:34)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
I have been reading the posting enthusiastically. However, I have one comment before I leave. Does this Steve guy ever answer anyones question or reply to a comment. Talk about severe lack of communication skills.
Don't even bother writing back a comment to me as I won't bother replying. No time for Racist's such as you.
Nigel:)
signed on Sunday, the 08. of September 2002 at 01:26:44
peace
signed on Friday, the 06. of September 2002 at 12:18:49
I am one quarter Armanian and one quarter Hungarian and unfortunatly I am cut off from that side of my family. I am trying to learn about the culture and old religion of my ancestors. I am really interested in the old religions before christianity. If anyone knows where I might find that information I would be ever thankful if you would e-mail me and let me know. LadyZarkia@aol.com. I am also trying to fine information on my family history from that side of the family. My Grandmothers name is Olga Szekely she is 100% Hungarian and my Grandfathers name is Ed Jevahirian and he is 100% Armanian if anyone may know where I could look to trace my family history that is free (I can barely pay my bill I can't afford to pay to trace my family history right now.) Please e-mail me at the address above and let me know. Thank you for your time.
signed on Friday, the 06. of September 2002 at 09:51:02
I am one quarter Armanian and one quarter Hungarian and unfortunatly I am cut off from that side of my family. I am trying to learn about the culture and old religion of my ancestors. I am really interested in the old religions before christianity. If anyone knows where I might find that information I would be ever thankful if you would e-mail me and let me know. LadyZarkia@aol.com. I am also trying to fine information on my family history from that side of the family. My Grandmothers name is Olga Szekely she is 100% Hungarian and my Grandfathers name is Ed Jevahirian and he is 100% Armanian if anyone may know where I could look to trace my family history that is free (I can barely pay my bill I can't afford to pay to trace my family history right now.) Please e-mail me at the address above and let me know. Thank you for your time.
signed on Friday, the 06. of September 2002 at 09:48:51
I am one quarter Armanian and one quarter Hungarian and unfortunatly I am cut off from that side of my family. I am trying to learn about the culture and old religion of my ancestors. I am really interested in the old religions before christianity. If anyone knows where I might find that information I would be ever thankful if you would e-mail me and let me know. LadyZarkia@aol.com. I am also trying to fine information on my family history from that side of the family. My Grandmothers name is Olga Szekely she is 100% Hungarian and my Grandfathers name is Ed Jevahirian and he is 100% Armanian if anyone may know where I could look to trace my family history that is free (I can barely pay my bill I can't afford to pay to trace my family history right now.) Please e-mail me at the address above and let me know. Thank you for your time.
signed on Friday, the 06. of September 2002 at 09:43:57
I am one quarter Armanian and one quarter Hungarian and unfortunatly I am cut off from that side of my family. I am trying to learn about the culture and old religion of my ancestors. I am really interested in the old religions before christianity. If anyone knows where I might find that information I would be ever thankful if you would e-mail me and let me know. LadyZarkia@aol.com. I am also trying to fine information on my family history from that side of the family. My Grandmothers name is Olga Szekely she is 100% Hungarian and my Grandfathers name is Ed Jevahirian and he is 100% Armanian if anyone may know where I could look to trace my family history that is free (I can barely pay my bill I can't afford to pay to trace my family history right now.) Please e-mail me at the address above and let me know. Thank you for your time.
signed on Friday, the 06. of September 2002 at 09:41:33
Steve, you have forgotten that a guestbook is a place for the guests. You were told countless times to leave this site. What part of leave us alone you don't understand? Do you know what self respect is?
signed on Thursday, the 05. of September 2002 at 17:32:49
Hey Turk,
You failed with Exercise #2, but I will give you second chance.
You need to promise that you will stop watching "Midnight Express" in order to boost your national pride.
If you behave I might manage a pony for you...
signed on Thursday, the 05. of September 2002 at 12:47:58
Hey Revenge,
You might want to consult a dictionary (I hope that you know what that is!) from now on. Your grammar SUCKS!!! Oh, and don't let big words frighten you.
Nemesis,
That's okay. You can keep that banana stuck up your ass. You can always sneak another one out from the prison cafeteria as you deliver snacks to your many boyfriends behind bars. That way, you and revenge will have one more thing to play with. Have you told Revenge about your prison fantasies with big, sweaty men? Or, are you two acting them out as we speak? Which one of you plays the female role? Oh, I see. You both alternate. Well, I guess that's fair.
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 05. of September 2002 at 12:38:44
Hey Turk,
GO AWAY!!!
Nothing YOU say will make any difference to what you animals have done our people....
SO.... RACK OFF!
signed on Thursday, the 05. of September 2002 at 00:28:52
Good! I have a banana for you as a reward.
Exercise #2 : If you have nothing to say, don't say anything.
signed on Thursday, the 05. of September 2002 at 00:00:42
To Revenge and Nemesis,
You are both simply proving my point...over and over and over and over again!!!!!!!
Keep it up.
STEVE
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of September 2002 at 23:27:45
This turk (Suli) is such a dump (dumb) asshole! I wonder how many times one should tell him that the "submit" button is not a dildo to play with.
Listen turkish idiot, - hit the "submit" button ONLY ONCE.
This masochist just like the other MORON is trying to lecture me about Christianity.
Listen KaputOglu, why should I forgive your wrongdoing when you deny it in the first place?
Is this what your f****** Allah teaches you?
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of September 2002 at 21:50:28
To Steve and turk visitor,
Thank you for your views. The whole world knows what the Turks are, you are rapists, child molestors and murderers.You are animals that have moved into a land that has belonged to Armenians and Greeks for over 3000 years. Do you think that your pathetic Ottoman empire with it's short history EVEN compares!!! Ignorant fools. It was the BLOOD OF OUR people that built your empire...
You are so lost in your own little worlds that the world is passing you by... keep on being ignorant... it is the trait of your filthy people.
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of September 2002 at 17:27:59
To the Visitor from Turkey,
Your obvious superior knowledge, good intentions, and impartiallity is wasted with this group. Believe me when I say that you will be severely attacked by this group for your viewpoints. Why? Because they live in a world of denial. They feel that everything bad that has happened throughout history is the fault of the Turks. They, of course, can do no wrong. In their opinion, they have been the victims, and are as pure and innocent as the new driven snow. They could NEVER conspire to commit mass attrocities against the Turks, Arabs, Azaris, Jews, Tartars, etc. No, it is always the Turks that are the evil ones. Even after the world has proven that the vast majority of their claims have either been fabricated, or grossly exagerated, they will still continue to harp on the same old, tired, fabrications, hoping that they can con future generations to learn to continuously hate us. They're terrified of the truth! I don't know...is this what Christianity teaches them? You will find that it will become impossible to reason, or talk intelligently with them, without their begining to use vulgarities. They'll start hammering you with things like "how good it is to kill Turks", or references to your relatives or our religion or people. They do this because of their ignorance of so many things. No matter how hard you try to help to educate them, they'll never appreciate it. Nor will they learn anything. Remember that their indoctrination begins at an early age. Their ASALA terrorist factions, from the Bekkah Valley in Lebanon, slither out from under the rocks that these cowards live, and then introduce their venom of hate. So you see Visitor, you're just wasting your time and effort. Good luck to you and take care.
To Nemesis and Revenge,
Howdy Boys! I see that your sharp and vulgar tongues are at it again. Nemesis, have you found a new playmate in Revenge? That's nice. Tell Sevan that I said hello. Bye for now.
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of September 2002 at 07:40:16
To the Visitor from Turkey,
Your obvious superior knowledge, good intentions, and impartiallity is wasted with this group. Believe me when I say that you will be severely attacked by this group for your viewpoints. Why? Because they live in a world of denial. They feel that everything bad that has happened throughout history is the fault of the Turks. They, of course, can do no wrong. In their opinion, they have been the victims, and are as pure and innocent as the new driven snow. They could NEVER conspire to commit mass attrocities against the Turks, Arabs, Azaris, Jews, Tartars, etc. No, it is always the Turks that are the evil ones. Even after the world has proven that the vast majority of their claims have either been fabricated, or grossly exagerated, they will still continue to harp on the same old, tired, fabrications, hoping that they can con future generations to learn to continuously hate us. They're terrified of the truth! I don't know...is this what Christianity teaches them? You will find that it will become impossible to reason, or talk intelligently with them, without their begining to use vulgarities. They'll start hammering you with things like "how good it is to kill Turks", or references to your relatives or our religion or people. They do this because of their ignorance of so many things. No matter how hard you try to help to educate them, they'll never appreciate it. Nor will they learn anything. Remember that their indoctrination begins at an early age. Their ASALA terrorist factions, from the Bekkah Valley in Lebanon, slither out from under the rocks that these cowards live, and then introduce their venom of hate. So you see Visitor, you're just wasting your time and effort. Good luck to you and take care.
To Nemesis and Revenge,
Howdy Boys! I see that your sharp and vulgar tongues are at it again. Nemesis, have you found a new playmate in Revenge? That's nice. Tell Sevan that I said hello. Bye for now.
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of September 2002 at 07:37:57
To the Visitor from Turkey,
Your obvious superior knowledge, good intentions, and impartiallity is wasted with this group. Believe me when I say that you will be severely attacked by this group for your viewpoints. Why? Because they live in a world of denial. They feel that everything bad that has happened throughout history is the fault of the Turks. They, of course, can do no wrong. In their opinion, they have been the victims, and are as pure and innocent as the new driven snow. They could NEVER conspire to commit mass attrocities against the Turks, Arabs, Azaris, Jews, Tartars, etc. No, it is always the Turks that are the evil ones. Even after the world has proven that the vast majority of their claims have either been fabricated, or grossly exagerated, they will still continue to harp on the same old, tired, fabrications, hoping that they can con future generations to learn to continuously hate us. They're terrified of the truth! I don't know...is this what Christianity teaches them? You will find that it will become impossible to reason, or talk intelligently with them, without their begining to use vulgarities. They'll start hammering you with things like "how good it is to kill Turks", or references to your relatives or our religion or people. They do this because of their ignorance of so many things. No matter how hard you try to help to educate them, they'll never appreciate it. Nor will they learn anything. Remember that their indoctrination begins at an early age. Their ASALA terrorist factions, from the Bekkah Valley in Lebanon, slither out from under the rocks that these cowards live, and then introduce their venom of hate. So you see Visitor, you're just wasting your time and effort. Good luck to you and take care.
To Nemesis and Revenge,
Howdy Boys! I see that your sharp and vulgar tongues are at it again. Nemesis, have you found a new playmate in Revenge? That's nice. Tell Sevan that I said hello. Bye for now.
STEVE
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of September 2002 at 07:36:04
Hey Turk,
Neither Romans nor Akadians nor Sumerians(their domain was further South) nor Arabs (they were invaders just like your mutant kind), nor Babylonians were authohtonous populace of Asia Minor. Phrigyans migrated to Asia Minor from Thrace so long ago that they might be considered indigenous. Only Greeks, Armenians, Hitits, Lydians and Phrygians might be considered indigenous to Asia Minor. At least those are the ones who left historical heritage in these lands, which heritage in different historical times was ruthlessly annihilated by uncultured wild turkish hordes coming from the East.
The only reason why some of the artifacts are still preserved is because turks were thought capitalism - business.
As to the fascist comments - just learn your own history MORON!
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 19:47:21
Hey Nemesis,
First be kind! And second, you are a typical faschist! The Anatolia (in different times) and long before Ottomans have been landed by Hitits, Frigs, Lidyans, Likyans, Akadians, Babylonians, Sumerians, Helens, Selocids, Roman Empire, Bryzantines, Araps (especially Abbasi Caliphate period), Persians. If you do not know history, rather than picking a socially engineering book written by faschist tendencies and prejudices, Go and buy an academically based, objective history book and learn what it is and what it is not! (Or simply way O.K. you are right clever man, Armenians were the only civilisation lived on Asia Minor! I can only laugh at such a comic claim! This kind of claim by its nature prevails its lie very easily.
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 17:58:44
I'm very glad the turk visitor have come to this site coincidentally, and I will be very glad if he coincidentally leave it.
What is characteristic about turks, besides all human shortcomings is the lack of historical thinking. To them pre-history is the period before their invasion in Anatolia. Persians and Kurds in South East Anatolia are result of the migration policies imposed by the Ottomans.
The lands that were originally populated by Armenians stretched from the Caspian to Black Sea, and from Black to Mediterranean. Of course all of these were long time ago.
Some other very characteristic thing about turks is that they cannot understand this simple rule, that they have to hit the "submit" button ONLY ONCE, Damn it! Is it so hard????
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 11:44:32
Another comment:
Sentences like "We will take our revenge, we will take our land back" sounds like this page is commonly got attraction from (or plans to attract)people with fascist tendencies. And if you have such a viewpoint no matter who you are (Turkish, armenian or whatever else) you cannot never see the view in front of your eyes. The first thing to analyse a subject matter is to look at the subject with a scientific concern. Otherwise it seems the easy way to damn a nation, and expressing such hatred and prejudice.
Take care
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 02:03:37
I am interested in the history of different nations and coincidentally encountered your web site. Considering the presentation regarding the prehistorical details about Armenians, it is nice. But a continous and limitless hatred against Turks is charecteristic. While considering history,past and present I believe that you must learn to be more objective rather than trying to claim that a nation (Turks) is wholly bad, and you have an invaded country. Even today if the world lets you decide on your proclaimed ownership (!) of Ararat and some parts of South-eastern Anatolia I am completely sure that you will not be able to prove your legitimacy, since Persians, Kurds (and who knows who else) will also present the same claim. Take care.
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 01:19:07
I am interested in the history of different nations and coincidentally encountered your web site. Considering the presentation regarding the prehistorical details about Armenians, it is nice. But a continous and limitless hatred against Turks is charecteristic. While considering history,past and present I believe that you must learn to be more objective rather than trying to claim that a nation (Turks) is wholly bad, and you have an invaded country. Even today if the world lets you decide on your proclaimed ownership (!) of Ararat and some parts of South-eastern Anatolia I am completely sure that you will not be able to prove your legitimacy, since Persians, Kurds (and who knows who else) will also present the same claim. Take care.
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 01:15:09
I am interested in the history of different nations and coincidentally encountered your web site. Considering the presentation regarding the prehistorical details about Armenians, it is nice. But a continous and limitless hatred against Turks is charecteristic. While considering history,past and present I believe that you must learn to be more objective rather than trying to claim that a nation (Turks) is wholly bad, and you have an invaded country. Even today if the world lets you decide on your proclaimed ownership (!) of Ararat and some parts of South-eastern Anatolia I am completely sure that you will not be able to prove your legitimacy, since Persians, Kurds (and who knows who else) will also present the same claim. Take care.
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 01:12:54
I am interested in the history of different nations and coincidentally encountered your web site. Considering the presentation regarding the prehistorical details about Armenians, it is nice. But a continous and limitless hatred against Turks is charecteristic. While considering history,past and present I believe that you must learn to be more objective rather than trying to claim that a nation (Turks) is wholly bad, and you have an invaded country. Even today if the world lets you decide on your proclaimed ownership (!) of Ararat and some parts of South-eastern Anatolia I am completely sure that you will not be able to prove your legitimacy, since Persians, Kurds (and who knows who else) will also present the same claim. Take care.
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 01:07:49
I am interested in the history of different nations and coincidentally encountered your web site. Considering the presentation regarding the prehistorical details about Armenians, it is nice. But a continous and limitless hatred against Turks is charecteristic. While considering history,past and present I believe that you must learn to be more objective rather than trying to claim that a nation (Turks) is wholly bad, and you have an invaded country. Even today if the world lets you decide on your proclaimed ownership (!) of Ararat and some parts of South-eastern Anatolia I am completely sure that you will not be able to prove your legitimacy, since Persians, Kurds (and who knows who else) will also present the same claim. Take care.
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 01:04:50
I am interested in the history of different nations and coincidentally encountered your web site. Considering the presentation regarding the prehistorical details about Armenians, it is nice. But a continous and limitless hatred against Turks is charecteristic. While considering history,past and present I believe that you must learn to be more objective rather than trying to claim that a nation (Turks) is wholly bad, and you have an invaded country. Even today if the world lets you decide on your proclaimed ownership (!) of Ararat and some parts of South-eastern Anatolia I am completely sure that you will not be able to prove your legitimacy, since Persians, Kurds (and who knows who else) will also present the same claim. Take care.
signed on Monday, the 02. of September 2002 at 01:02:45
I would like you send me your and other armenian's diaspora's e-mails. Or help me how to get them. thank you very much.
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of August 2002 at 07:05:49
Hey Suleiman the Child Molester,
RACK OFF !!
GO TO ONE OF YOUR DIRTY TURKISH SITES AND SPREAD YOUR PROPAGANDA THERE... YOU MAKE US SICK... JUST LIKE ALL TURKS DO!!! THE WORD TURK, IS DISGUSTING.. SO GET LOST.
signed on Sunday, the 25. of August 2002 at 19:06:08
What are you blahblahing? Who ever erased any of your entries? And what Turkish site are you talking about?
signed on Sunday, the 25. of August 2002 at 04:12:20
To Sevan,
I'd like to, however, some of your compatriots, along with some greeks, have trashed our site. They leave horrible vulgarities and defile Islam. Since our site is open to everyone and anyone, they won't erase the garbage that they continue to write. Unlike this site, where almost everything I've written ,as well as the other Turkish contributers, have all been erased. Why? Are all of you that frightened of allowing differing opinions stand? If you recall, I've never used any vulgar language in anything that I ever wrote on this site. Yet, it's almost all been erased. I never wrote any psychotic, homicidal fantasies, unlike certain others that wanted to "blow off my face/head". So you see Sevan, as long as our site keeps getting trashed, I will continue to come here. One thing that I can promise you, and I've already proven it, is that I would never defile Christianity (to me, all religion is sacred and out of bounds for defilement), nor will I use vulgar language (I don't need to since that kind of behavior is far beneath me). I respect your site and your points of view. I just offer a differing viewpoint is all. Now, how you all take that shows your level of civilized maturity. Can you understand what I am trying to say? I hope so. Now watch, I will be attacked from all sides right away, just for giving my views. Anyway, I wish you well Sevan. Take care.
Steve
signed on Friday, the 23. of August 2002 at 22:41:28
This is an Armenian site. Go to a Turkish one and leave us alone.
signed on Friday, the 23. of August 2002 at 12:36:06
To Sevan,
I was just about to ask you the same thing.
Steve
signed on Friday, the 23. of August 2002 at 09:38:10
Steve, why are you still around? Get a life man!
signed on Friday, the 23. of August 2002 at 07:37:31
To Revenge,
I N Y O U R D R E A M S ! ! !
STEVE
signed on Thursday, the 22. of August 2002 at 21:19:29
To my fellow ARMENIANS, please do not get disturbed by these IGNORANT people, they do not know what they are talking about...
WE WILL HAVE OUR REVENGE!! WE WILL HAVE ALL OUR LANDS BACK!!!!
signed on Wednesday, the 21. of August 2002 at 23:55:29
Vinchentzo, my friend,
Don't stick your big Italian (Armenoid) nose into something that you don't have Idea about!
If you love that much turks and Turkey (the country not the bird), go and praise them in one of their webpages.
If you want to make positive impression in this guestbook go ahead and post some new recipe, such as how to prepare marinated frog legs!
Regards
signed on Wednesday, the 21. of August 2002 at 21:48:02
will I tell you something who operated this wep page,if you are right you would not erase the all e-mail which you did not like.That is really silly.Turks are a great nation like us.Nobodys care what you say about.I sent a mail before but I cant see it.I am sending my mesage to someone read not for you guys erase it.dirty mesage for Turkey keep it,good mesage for Turkey erase it!!!!!!!.No mate it does not work like this.Be fair......Turkey...... fall in love with a contry.Forza Turco,forza Itaila
signed on Wednesday, the 21. of August 2002 at 12:39:00
I don't know what to say. Only thing is, never forget about genocide, just understand, that it is a horrible thing, that's all. Thanks
signed on Monday, the 19. of August 2002 at 01:08:58
I am proud to be Armenian.
Your site is cool. I found much information I was looking for. Our history makes me be proud of my origins and my beautiful country.
Come and visit Armenia, you'll not regret.
Hayer jan, miasnakan uzherov tsaghkecnenq mer hayreniq@.
Byurat
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of August 2002 at 04:30:10
barev hayer ghan
khndrem voreve mi arit che esdeghtsek
ayl azgeri hed yergkhosotuon anek.
da mez hamar batsi mdki bkhdorome
u nayev jamanagi vadnome , ayl ban chi da.
aynpes varvenk mez harmar u vayel lini .
signed on Sunday, the 04. of August 2002 at 09:11:29
Excellent site. Great information. It grieves me to read about Ani and Van, as even though I am 18 years old and have never seen the Homeland, I feel as if I have spent a lifetime there. Keep up the good work, and never forget the Martyrs.
signed on Wednesday, the 24. of July 2002 at 19:52:05
schwule türken schweine
signed on Tuesday, the 23. of July 2002 at 05:59:48
I'm very sorry for the turks because they live in
the country where the government is washing there
people's brains therefore most of the turks keep
denying the FACT of the genocide of Armenians, Greeks and Christian Assyrians
That is the only bordier that turkish people must
make a step forward and recognize the crime that
their ancestors did .
Take a look ,or I should say take an example from
the Germans who did, recognize the Jewish holocaust and what happened to them ,nothing
except now they have more respect then they have ever had so you should do the same think to prove to everybody that your politics is not like before
and you can be responsible for each of your step.
signed on Sunday, the 21. of July 2002 at 22:19:19
I wish that too:)
signed on Tuesday, the 16. of July 2002 at 20:12:52
Karen, what 'such thing' would Turks never do? Admit their mistakes?
signed on Monday, the 15. of July 2002 at 04:30:49
I am continualy learning about my culture through your web site. It is wonderful, many blessings.
signed on Sunday, the 14. of July 2002 at 08:15:45
A truly informative and inspiring site! You do an excellent job in presenting the cultural beauty and great history of our ancient people. Thank you for your work.
signed on Saturday, the 13. of July 2002 at 07:02:21
Robert-jan, let them spew out their denials. It's only more documented evidence for us of their crimes against humanity. Soon Steve the Denialist (who recently publicly admitted his denialist status) and his kind will go to prison forever and we'll live happily ever after. Cheers to all my Armo brothers and sisters out there!
signed on Friday, the 05. of July 2002 at 08:42:07
Why you accept people like Steve & don't delete their writings?
signed on Friday, the 05. of July 2002 at 04:00:14
No I didn't know about that terrorist. Must have been an exception to the rule, because most, as far as I'm concerned, did a very precise job. 28 Turkish diplomats were killed point-blank in more than 10 countries in less than 5 years. No Armenians injured. A joke is meant to have some resemblance to reality. Like this:
Did you hear about the Turkish denialist waiting at the traffic light? An Armenian terrorist blew up his face.
signed on Friday, the 05. of July 2002 at 01:52:17
To the genetically uncertain Suleiman pig-oglu:
Your mother never asked me for my credit card.
She said she would do it pro-bono. I kindly refused to indulge myself with her because of the Turkish bacilli diseases.
You guys should learn how to use condoms otherwise the volume of the garbage in the world will increase tremendously. That on the other hand might be good for the preservation of the environment and hopefully on the next meeting in Kyoto, President Bush might sign the accord.
Suly,since you are a turk, you have no chances with women. Be real turk. Stop masturbating and look around for some pony...
signed on Thursday, the 04. of July 2002 at 23:27:10
To Steve the Denialist: What?!
To Nem: I guess since we're the same person there's not much I need to say.
Here's another joke for all my other alter-egos in this guestbook:
Two Turks are driving to Disneyland. As they come nearer they see a sign that says: "Disneyland Left", so they went back home.
signed on Thursday, the 04. of July 2002 at 12:52:26
Sevan, my dear,
He is a turk....don't you get it.
What you expect from him. To acknowledge that he is a barbarian. He knows it, and he hates subconsciously himself for it. The best defense they have is to deny it, or to blame you for the same barbarism which he and his Prime Minister are very well aware of that this is not the case. They try to behave in the West because otherwise their asses will be kicked off.
Well, from time to time, they reveal their true nature, just like the turk that tried to rape a pony... His attorney said that he is not guilty, and tried to vindicate him because of his turkish upbringing.
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of July 2002 at 22:32:28
Why don't you take the Armenians to the International Tribunal for denying and demonising your history, country and freedom? It's also a perfect place, I would to say, to find experts who could tell whether you're Az or not. I think that's reasonably realistic, don't you?
A drunk Indian is different from a psychopathic denialist. And since you're a Turkish denialist on top of it, please don't expect to be treated with equality. Your kind has done us enough harm for me to take your perverted sarcasm seriously and be cautious. Last time your people uttered those dirty words they turned them into deeds. I don't remember the last time an Indian drunkard raped and maimed 500,000 of our women and children, Mister so-called realist. If it is true that Armenians are guilty of genocide against the Turks, I want to see it proven in an international court. I, as an Armenian, am ready to apologise and repent if the outcome of the lawsuit reveals that my nation is indeed guilty of genocide. My question to you is, is Turkey?
One last thing: I never claimed I was an intellectual. In fact if you could read you'd know that I emphasised that more than 50% of my people are smarter than me. (I guess that makes me an intellectual anyway since the 50% above me are genuises...hmm, didn't think of it that way...)
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of July 2002 at 12:52:56
Sevan,
I find it very interesting that when a sleazy drunkard Hindu from N.Y. sexually degrades you all over this board, you tell him how sexy Indian men are. I come to your defense (note spelling), without having even met you, and get treated like dirt. So now, when I'm having a little playful/sarcastic fun, I'm threatened with arrest, etc. Now, what's wrong with this picture? In your earlier posts you state that you are a pacifist and even argue with your own compatriots about their view points. You write back telling them how they treated you like "shit", and that you weren't interested in there type of brotherhood/sisterhood, and were going to leave. It was I, a TURK, that came to your defense (note spelling) against them. Again, how was I repaid? I was treated like dirt, again. Tell me Sevan, can you say "HYPOCRITE"? Sorry lady, but you're not going to have your cake and eat it too on my watch. Everthing about you is BULL SHIT!!!! You cower behind a facade of pseudointellectualism. You've probably done this for most of your life. Maybe you can con your own people, but I've been able to see through you since day one. When it comes down to it, you're no different than you're clan. Since we're on this topic, how do we know that you and Nemesis aren't the same person. You've accussed me of being Az, then when I call you on you wanting to bring in an "expert", I hear nothing. You're ALL talk Sevan!! So, what's your stage name?..."Penny with a penis"? You're uncouth and just as disgusting as the rest of the three stooges. You know, I should have all of you arressted for impersonating human beings! You accuse me of being a denialist. I'm a realist. You and your ilk, on the other hand, are in total denial that horrific atrocities were indeed committed by your own people on countless innocent others. So, before you spew your acridic venomous hate barrage, take a good, long look in the mirror. What you see looking back at you is exactly what YOU have turned into. And lady, it's pretty ugly! But, that's what you must live with for the rest of your pathetic existence. You and the other stooges can bad mouth me from now until doomsday, but it will have no affect. I live in the real world and deal with reality 24/7. And no, I don't give lectures on how to be janitors (the best or the worst). I'll leave that to you and your clan to take care of.
Well, that's about it for today. I'll see you all tomorrow.
Later,
Steve
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of July 2002 at 11:29:56
Exactly what lecture were you giving at Stanford? How to be the worst janitor in the world? Or how to gang-rape 500,000 innocent Christian women and children in the traditional Turkish way? You're a really sick man you know that. Don't even think about getting near me. If you do I'll have you arrested for sexual assault and attempted rape. This isn't Turkey where you can get away with the worst crimes against humanity.
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of July 2002 at 03:14:05
Nice!
signed on Tuesday, the 02. of July 2002 at 21:07:19
Again you proved my point Steve the Denialist,
1) You're still illiterate since you again misunderstood my point;
2) You're a repugnant, nasty, perverted rapist just like your diabolical, psychopathic, nauseating ancestors were.
A joke for Nemesis and other Armos in this guestbook:
A man walks into UCLA, goes up to the desk and says: "I'd like to enrol for Ancient Greek and Latin." The lady behind the desk says: "Why? They're dead languages. What use could they have?". The man says: "Well, if I ever go to heaven I'll be able to talk to all the great philosophers and scientists." The lady says: "But what if you go to hell?". The man replies: "Don't worry, I already speak fluent Turkish."
signed on Tuesday, the 02. of July 2002 at 15:17:30
To everyone on this board,
I'm again very sorry that three posts came up. It's just that this site is so slow.
Steve
signed on Tuesday, the 02. of July 2002 at 02:04:49
My Dear Sevan,
Well, I have returned, as promised.
You still think that I'm Az? You suggest that an expert be consulted to make the differentiation. I'm game if you are. How do you propose to do this? Let me know.
If I'm misunderstanding the contents of your writings, then perhaps it's due to the lack of logic and coherence in your posts. For example, in your post of June 6th, you state that Turkey never had an alphabet. While Turkey was becoming a Republic, Ataturk developed the Turkish language and alphabet and taught it to the people. This replaced the Arabic that they were using throughout the Ottoman Empire. Where did you go to school?
You know, talking to you today is really begining to "turn me on"! Hmmm... What are you wearing? Pants? I'll bet they're tight!! I can "see" you in a "Victoria's Secret" outfit. How about it Sevan, are you getting as aroused as I am? I'll bet that you secretly have been for some time. You think of me the same way, don't you? Admit it!! Don't torture yourself any longer. Come out and say how much you really want me, and that I'm your only STUD!!! You'll feel much better after coming to grips with your true sexual desires/feelings. You'll have finally removed that cloak of sexual frustration that has enveloped you for so long. Set yourself free, or, come out of the closet, if that's what you want to do. Just do something to take care of your inner sexual desires. You wouldn't want to end up like Nemesis now, would you? He's hopelessly frustrated, sexually. He's into quite a few things. He enjoys the "company" of prison inmates and various rodents. But, that's a completely different story.
Nemesis,
How are you? Sevan and I were just talking about you. My "puny mind" senses that your frustrated again. What is it this time? Have you run out of sexual fantasies, or just rodents? Hey, God created us all. It's up to you to find just what it is that you like. I can't always be there for you.
I'm getting bored by you two. Even with the two of you, it's still not a challenge. I think I'll go and look at some video tapes of TURKEY'S 3rd place finish (in the WORLD) in the W.C. again. I'll talk to y'all later.
Steve
signed on Tuesday, the 02. of July 2002 at 00:35:27
Really Az(eri), that's all your big complex mind could come up with? That's not very challenging. My simple mind is getting a little bored with this game. I was hoping the levels would go up rather than down.
signed on Saturday, the 29. of June 2002 at 14:39:53
You're "winning" because the feeling of digust prevents most people talking to you. Like staying away from a leper.
Sincerely,
Az - Making his last post, and saying I prefer peace and dialogue between all people, rather than hatred of any race of people which is prefered by those who are simple minded. Peace.
P.S I am Armenian and proud of it.
signed on Saturday, the 29. of June 2002 at 13:12:32
Their puny little brains are so much fun to screw with though... Forget football, this is the best computer game I've ever played. My team can't seem to stop winning...
signed on Saturday, the 29. of June 2002 at 04:11:23
Sevan, why you are wasting your time with this....turk! It is not his fault, it is God's curse!
signed on Saturday, the 29. of June 2002 at 00:23:58
To Steve,
1) I'd like to see you at the International Tribunal in The Hague with the arguments you just listed. Let's go for it. Armenians have been ready for a fair trial for 87 years. Is Turkey?
2) Your illiteracy has to do with the fact that you have a talent in misunderstanding the content of what I write.
3) Let's call in an expert to see whether you and Az are the same person.
signed on Saturday, the 29. of June 2002 at 00:09:54
Why am I feeling paranoid again? Why do I have the feeling again that Grey Wolves are watching me? If you denialists think my arguments are too strong, then you obviously haven't argued with another 50% percent of my people, beginning with Nemesis. How do you think you can silence all of us? And is it worth it? Wouldn't it just be easier if you acknowledged your mistakes and got it over with? The Germans and the Serbs didn't seem to have such a hard time. Look at how quickly the world stood by Serbia once Milosovic was deported. Modern Turkey didn't commit the Armenian genocide, so why is it continuing the denial of it? That's a question that has kept Armenian activists busy ever since the Turkish Republic was established. I'm quite curious about this as well. Perhaps Steve can answer this question for me.
signed on Thursday, the 27. of June 2002 at 14:16:33
Thanks. (to Nemesis that is). Zoroastrianism. That was it. I wasn't sure anymore.
signed on Thursday, the 27. of June 2002 at 01:43:40
Worshipping fire, light, sun! From multiple Gods to one and only - the Sun /Son/!:)
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of June 2002 at 23:40:40
Nemesis, what came between Hellenism and Christianity in Armenia? I read it somewhere once, but I forgot where. I was hoping you'd know.
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of June 2002 at 16:53:58
Az you are wrong again!
Hellenism in it classical sense was dead long before introduction of Christianity in Armenia.
Islamic invasions occurred even later. Armenia had her hellenistic period, and neo-hellenistic period when Vaspurakan had become a Byzantium province. More over, many Byzantium Emperors were Armenians by origin, and some of them did nasty things to the Armenians too.
Back in that “glorious” to certain extend times, there was no trace of Muslims, at all.
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of June 2002 at 14:37:47
It's funny how you know so much about Islamic culture and so little about Armenian, Steve/Az. I hope Nemesis can elaborate. Or perhaps you would like to visit a few more pages on this site? Only a suggestion... it may even improve your denial skills a little. Or will you this time use this information to make you and your people (the Turks) better?
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of June 2002 at 10:50:41
Sevan,
I have no intention of discussing anything with you, so don't even bother.
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of June 2002 at 07:11:29
Nemesis,
The Muslims translated Greek philosophers too. The only reason some of the major ancient Greek works have survived to this day is because the Muslims preserved it. But Islamic philosophy on life has nothing to do with it. It is a complete opposite in many ways. This is a good example; just because you respect and preserve the texts, it doesn't mean that you apply it. And I agree that modern Greeks are very different from the ancient Greeks. I am just being rational. Religion was and is a great part of Armenian culture, like it is in modern Greece today. But religion and philosophy do not mix.
And the reason why Hellenism did not survive in Armenia is because of occupation by Islamic nations. Not because of free choice. I thought that all of this was discussed in the previous posts, I don't know whay I have repeat myself.
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of June 2002 at 07:08:18
Az,
Have you ever heard about Matenadaran tankaran?
If you do, than you know that many Greek philosophers’ works are preserved in original Armenian translation. That is the only language that they are still available to the human kind.
If Armenian Hellenistic period was kind of fashion, why do you think Armenians believed that those books are so important that they deemed it necessary to translate them into Armenian?
Elaborate, my friend, elaborate...
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of June 2002 at 14:36:53
To back up Nemesis on Az's shallow knowledge of Armenian culture:
"Karabagh has a lot of fertile land, unlike Armenia which doesn't at all."
Signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 15:46:19
What do you mean Armenia doesn't have any fertile land AT ALL? How the hell do you think people farm there then??? You, who claim to "know Armenian history and all", did you not know that Southern Armenia is one of the first places in the world where hunter-gatherers became settlers and farmers? Armenia is one of the most fertile lands in the world, Az.
Recognition of Genocide by Turkey: you said that Europe put the pressure on Turkey, through a mandate, to recognise the Armenian genocide. But Turkey won't because they would want something out of it. It's wrong, you said, but it is realistic.
First of all, the mandate was given because of Armenians. Recognising the Armenian Genocide has little or nothing to do with Europeans or Americans (who, BTW, respect and back each other up more than you would like to believe). Secondly, there is nothing realistic about Turkey wanting something out of recognising the genocide. That's like praising a perpetrator for the crimes he committed AND giving him a gift, if he recognises his crimes. Do you see how you're contradicting yourself? You've been doing it all throughout your entries. On one hand you side with the Armenians, and the next you offend them without mercy. "Unfortunately" we didn't take in Greek philosophy. "Western Europe influenced Armenia during the Middle Ages". If you knew your Armenian history and all, you'd know that it's the Armenians who influenced the Europeans during the Middle Ages, religiously, philosophically as well as in art and architecture. Where do you think Gothic churches and domes come from? Or French castles and forts?
"But in the East the belief was not to doubt but to follow without questioning"
Signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 15:59:00
Nemesis already gave a perfect reply to this by saying that the tradition of doubt is still very strong among Armenians. Plus, Europeans may have learned Greek philosophy, but they are no more Greek than Greeks themselves. Just because the Ottoman Empire tried to crush our national identity doesn't mean it managed to do so. In fact the Ottomans ended up learning more from the Greeks and Armenians than they were able to force on us. Nemesis already pointed out that authentic Armenian music (no rabiz "ottoman" crap), but real authentic Armenian music is so unique in its style that it cannot possibly be compared to anything else around it, not even Georgian or Persian.
If you really are Armenian Az, and you claim to be conscious of our history then you wouldn't be making such ludicrous contradictions to begin with. And these are only a few examples. Like I said, I won't give more, because I don't want one of you denialists to learn something from it and use it against the likes of Nemesis and I in the (near) future.
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of June 2002 at 11:52:48
When I say the US and EU are friends with Turkey, I mean so politicaly. The people do not like Turks in Europe, but they don't like Americans either. Would you say that the US and EU are not friends? And elaborate on how my knowledge of Armenian culture is shallow? I think it is an unfair statement.
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of June 2002 at 10:53:48
Sorry Az,
USA and EU are allies to Turkey, not friends. You said that you have many European friends. If so, than you know about the general perception of the turks in Europe.
I think you have very shallow understanding of the Armenian culture.
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of June 2002 at 09:12:18
Thanks Nemesis. At least there is someone on this board who has an open mind on politics. Just because I am a realist I am taken for a Turk. And I am not going to be "civillized", whatever that means, when being called a Turk. An insult is an insult and will be repayed in kind. The point I was trying to make in my first post is this. Turkey is not going to recognize the Armenian genocide when it has allies such as the US and EU. No one is going to put pressure on them. I even doubt that an average Turk knows that a genocide existed. They are taught the contrary at school so they cannot not possibly know what happened. As for the rape victim case, I don't know about that. Who said that Turkey can "sue" Armenia. It put up a blocade because it sided with the Azeri's during the Karabagh war. You're paranoid Sevan, that's all I got to say. With no proof whatsoever you call me a Turk. Get a brain. That's like calling a Jew a Nazi. Reading your previous posts you go crazy like this all the time. And saying that you're excuse is that you a "lady" is not much. I hope youre time of the month has ended and you can clear mind.
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of June 2002 at 07:57:01
Nemesis, I have no problem with other Armenian points of views, but I do have a problem with a denialist Turk getting ideas from me and then using them against my people. Az knows exactly what I'm talking about. This whole site is filled with Turks either as Turks or pretending to be Armenian. I'm not saying a "true" Armenian cannot be critical. If you would read any of the other stuff I wrote... Do you remember why Truth got so pissed off at me? Because I was being critical and he immediately thought I was a Turk. But if you look closely, you'll see that I wasn't being anti-Armenian. I also never said that it's realistic that Turkey would want something out of recognising the genocide. Because that it NOT realistic. That's like saying it's realistic to sue the victim you raped. It's not realistic and it doesn't make sense. Either Az's English really sucks or he's a denialist in disguise. I would go for the latter, simply for some of the extremely anti-Armenian remarks he has made. Again, please don't misunderstand: there's critical and there's anti. Az was being anti. I don't want to bring up more examples, because obviously some people are learning things from me to use them against the Armenians later. So I'll leave it up to you to go back and read every one of his entries and hopefully you'll see what I mean.
Az, it's funny how you turned from a somewhat civilised person to a beast who can only use swear words. But let me explain this to you: it's not the language you write it in, it's the arguments you use that are hardly Armenian. If you were a little smarter you could "prove" to me you're an Armenian without swearing and stamping your feet like a baby. I'm sure a true Armenian could find his or her way out of this maze without throwing a tantrum.
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of June 2002 at 02:37:53
One thing we all should learn is to be more tolerant to each other. Whenever someone expresses different view from the mainstream "Armenian vision", automatically he/she is qualified as a turk.
That is too gross. You can call some other nasty names to each other, but turk is kind of too much.
I wouldn't dare to call a turk, sometimes even a real turk.:)
Some more food for the mind. Mahitar Gosh, Anania Shiragatzi, David Anghakht, Nerses Snorhaly, etc. etc.
signed on Monday, the 24. of June 2002 at 21:35:28
Listen, I could care less what you think about me. I don't have prove anything to you. I'll say what I want when ever I want. You point of view is worthless to me. Unless you choose to apologize, I got no intetion of talking to your sorry ass. And please, don't forget to fuck yourself.
signed on Monday, the 24. of June 2002 at 17:28:28
Wanna hear some Russian: poshala ti kibeni materi suka. Ya takih kak ti vsu mayu zhisn vidyal. Ti dumayesh sho yesli ya ne znayu armyanski yazik ya ne nastoyashi armenin, poshal ti v sraku.
And if you can't find anyone to translate that, here's a summary - fuck you.
signed on Monday, the 24. of June 2002 at 17:23:01
"but the Hellenic philosophy was never taken in unfortunatly"
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 13:40:44
Sorry Az, but I don't see how the word "unfortunately" fits in this picture, to only show one example of your major blunders. You denialists are too easy to pick out for us. We've dealt with so many of you by now that we know all your dumb tricks. Besides, an Armenian would have understood what I had written in my entry about "cultural and lexical cleansing". Especially a Russian Armenian. They're some of the smartest Armenians in the world. Sorry to say, but you certainly don't qualify in that category. Unless you can prove it, I am convinced that you are not an Armenian. In fact I'm convinced that you are Steve. I'm sure any other random (Russian) Armenian would agree with me.
signed on Monday, the 24. of June 2002 at 14:56:32
What the fuck is your problem? Where the hell do you get off saying that to me? Pardon me for being a fucking individual and not another brick in the wall. You think you are better than me because I don't speak Armenian? You think you are more Armenian than me, Ms. Netherlands? Fuck you! I don't wanna waste any more of my time writing any more to a dumb nationalist.
signed on Monday, the 24. of June 2002 at 14:20:24
You said too much Az, because only a Turk would write what you wrote in your last entry and your first:
"And the European Parliment made it a mandate that [Turkey] accept the genocide and open up its borders. The only way they'll do it is if they will get something out of it. Its wrong, but it is realistic."
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of June 2002 at 16:11:38
Who are you going to come back as this time Steve (aka Az and Muhammet)? Aren't you tired of living your life as one big lie? Don't you want to come clean, apologise, get it over with and become a truly good person? Am I giving you ideas you'll use against the Armenians again, or will you this time use them to make you and your people better?
signed on Monday, the 24. of June 2002 at 07:53:21
I may be a good example of this. I was born in Russia and now live in the US. I barely know Armenian. A phrase here or there. I never learned it because I felt there was no need for it, as Sevan listed in the number 2 reason. I feel there is an Armenia, so the culture and the language isn't going to die out with me not knowing it. If there was no Armenia it would be a different situation altogether. Of course I know the history and all that.
signed on Sunday, the 23. of June 2002 at 10:27:31
There's even a special term for the description below called "cultural and lexical cleansing", where minorities are forced to assimilate with the majority culture. Turkey is one example of a nation accused of this type of genocide.
signed on Sunday, the 23. of June 2002 at 03:46:46
That very last comment: I agree, only it's a little simplistic to blame "not wanting to learn one's own language" on all the minorities involved. Let's not forget that many members of minorities are prohibited from learning their mother tongue even when they want to. A good example are Armenians in Turkey. It's not like they don't want to speak, read and write Armenian, as much as they are being forced by the Turkish government and environment to give it up. Except for Istanbul Armenians, most other Turkish Armenians are too afraid to speak Armenian in case their throat might be cut. Regarding this Armenians are not an exception to the rule; there's plenty more minorities who are fighting to stay alive, but are hindered by more powerful outsiders. Should we still blame it on the minorities themselves, by telling them to leave their natural environment and make it even more difficult for them to survive? One of the main reasons second generation kids are too reluctant to learn their mother tongue in 'foreign countries' is because their environment makes them 1) feel embarrassed; 2) feel unimportant. And the smaller the community, the more difficult to have back-up and feel proud. Anyway, this is too long and complicated, but for anyone who's interested further you may want to pick up a few books on linguistics/sociolinguistic/sociology and anthropology.
signed on Sunday, the 23. of June 2002 at 03:19:37
"Celtic and Gaellic is not gone, its just its own people don't want to learn it. To them it is much of a foreign tongue as any other language. Even in South America there are some people who know the language, but most don't want to learn it. It's the fault of the people themselves."
Thank You!:)
signed on Sunday, the 23. of June 2002 at 00:52:02
Thanks Az. Couldn't agree with you more. I'm usually never that extreme, but sometimes I need to vent my anger at all the negative I've seen. At moments like that I'd rather not think of the positive. But once I've vented, I feel fresh and positive again. I sincerely apologise if any of you felt personally attacked (except Steve of course) and hope you can forgive me. Although I can't guarantee that it won't happen again. I am a lady after all... we can't help those darn mood swings :)
signed on Saturday, the 22. of June 2002 at 15:14:16
Sevan,
The reason that why so few care about the topic of saving smaller cultures is because it isn't very important to those who are not part of that culture. If you are for the environment it is because it will save the planet you live in, anti-globalization because you want to help the victims of big business in the third world...etc. A people loosing their culture isn't going to make them starve or loose their lives. The only thing it will do is make a bigger nation more homogenous. I think each people have the right to maintain their own culture, but if most of them don't care enough about it to save it, why should anyone else? Celtic and Gaellic is not gone, its just its own people don't want to learn it. To them it is much of a foreign tongue as any other language. Even in South America there are some people who know the language, but most don't want to learn it. It's the fault of the people themselves.
signed on Saturday, the 22. of June 2002 at 14:12:31
"Irish have lost their language not because of EU, but partly because of the Brits, and thanks to the EU they might revive it."
If you're speaking about linguists and sociologists, I give you credit. But if you think politicians and tax-payers would want to see their money drowned in the revival of Irish, forget it. If that was true then Bretons (from Bretagne in France) would not be dwindling by the hundreds a year. There's barely two thousand of them left, and trust me, France isn't doing much at all to keep their language and culture alive, even though linguists have been warning the government for over four decades.
I sometimes get the feeling that left-wing Americans like to look at Europe as the model system without realising that Europe, esp today, is far from being left-wing. Just as Americans are doing little or nothing to save Native American culture, Europeans do little or nothing to protect their endangered minorities, let alone endangered minorities elsewhere in the world.
I've always questioned this: the West has created animal rights group, Greenpeace, even Red Cross and Amnesty Int. I've seen them rebreeding almost extinct species and save prisoners from the most horrendous torture. But I've so far never seen an NGO that fights for the survival of almost extinct cultures, languages and religions. Can someone explain to me why that is?
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 17:28:32
I think the tradition to doubt everything is still very popular among Armenians.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 17:06:24
Nemesis,
The way that many smaller cultures go extinct in the global envirnoment is by foreign cultures being prefered to national cultures. Although since Armenia is independent I doubt it will happen there. The Irish and South American Indians are good examples. Even though they are independent now, the prevailing culture of the past is still premier. But Armenia isn't at risk.
As for the Eastern mysticism, it's this. In the West the tradition of doubting everything comes from the Greek philosophers. But in the East the belief was not to doubt but to follow without questioning. Christianity, Judeism, Islam...etc. Since I am an atheist I have an obvious bias to all religions. I would say most Armenians are very religious, but most Europeans are not. There are some countries that are contrary, especially in Central and Eastern Europe.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 15:59:00
Sevan,
I'm for the Green party myself so I know exactly what you mean when you talk about the acts of politicians and businessmen. Also, maybe Armenia does have the same amount of prisoners of war as the Azeris do, I realy don't know for sure to comment. I doubt that either Armenia nor Azerbaijan reveal the true number. But I hope that peace can be achieved when the Azeris realize that Karabagh is essential to Armenia. Culturaly and economically. Karabagh has a lot of fertile land, unlike Armenia which doesn't at all. Of course they still think that they are going to make big money from the oil and buy better weapons. If it wasn't for the oil I think the conflict would have been solved. That is their only lifeline.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 15:46:19
Hollywood movies and McDonald’s are not European brands. Irish have lost their language not because of EU, but partly because of the Brits, and thanks to the EU they might revive it.
The fundamental question is about having a choice. You can eat McDonalds if you want to, and there is nothing wrong with that. I for one don’t. Because I don’t like it. In Greece for example people don’t eat McDonalds because they have similar Greek chains of fast food. Nor I’m a big fan of Hollywood. I prefer French Cinematography.
If Armenian culture survived for 3000 years under harsh circumstances why you believe that it would be endangered in more liberal environment.
I’ve probably missed some big part of the Armenian history but I’m not aware of the Eastern Mysticism.
Thanks to the democratic changes in Armenia there are probably few dozen people followers of Hare Krishna and Zen Budism. A friend of mine sometime ago suggested that the best business is if you start a new religion or a sect. I guess he is right.
Orthodox Christianity in general is more Mystical vs. Western rationalism and this same Mysticism is omnipresent in the Catholicism too, which constitutes the larger part of the European West.
Yes, Easterners are better educated in terms of universality vs. the pragmatic approach of the Western Education. My respects to Columbia, Stanford, Berkeley, NYU, Chicago University, St. John, and some more than 50 excellent schools in US though.
If you have enough self-confidence in your abilities you won’t be intimidated by the challenges. You will seek them.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 15:34:34
Guys, guys, chill out. I meant heartless politicians, lawmakers, and businessmen who use and abuse 3rd world countries, empty them and then expect these nations to revive on their own, with nothing. And when they flee to the West, the door is closed in front of them. This IS part of the reality of Europe as well. This year, the first skin-head shop was openened in my otherwise so innocent town. Yes, this very much makes me want to leave Europe, and I am working on making Armenia a better place so I can hopefully move there as soon as possible.
I also know that there's a lot of cool Europeans and I have many friends among them myself. I also know of all the talent that Europe has produced and continues to produce. Unfortunately it's not that talent that has any voice in our future. It's the heartless politicians. The politicians who have a heart get shot or silenced or are given a weaker position. And so coming back to the Council of Europe, which was my initial comment,it doesn't care about human rights, because if they did they would not accuse Armenians of having as many political prisoners as Azerbaijan, to name one example. They would have also actively worked on reconciliation between Turkey and Armenia, instead putting all the weight on Armenian shoulders, meanwhile supplying Turkey with more weapons and money.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 14:34:18
Sevan,
True, globalization hurts the third world and destroys its culture as the West gets rich, but not all things that Europeans do is bad. I consider Western philosophy and way of thinking, which includes socialism as well, to be the best in the world. Europeans and Americans took in many Armenian refuges after the genocide, and the Armenian communities have kept Armenian culture alive while there was no Armenia. I wouldn't say all that Europe has done is bad, far from it. Where do you live by the way? I think I read in your previous posts that you live in the Netherlands. If you love Armenia so much and hate Europeans, why don't you be a real nationalist and go live in Armenia? I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but how can you be such a superpatriot and not live in Armenia? I live in the US, I am both American and Armenian. If I just wanted to be Armenian, I would go and live in Armenia.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 14:00:41
Nemesis,
There may be different varieties of cultures in Europe but they all have the same root. Hellenic period, Middle Ages, Renescance, Age of Enlightement...etc. That is what unites the countries of Western Europe together into the EU. Of course Greece is the only exception I can think of because of Ottoman influence. Armenia was influenced by Hellenic mysticism (the religion was identical just different names for gods and goddesses) but the Hellenic philosophy was never taken in unfortunatly. That philosophy is the begining of Europe, that liberal openess and the practice of doubting all. Armenia was rather influnced by Eastern philosophies, if they could be called as such. The Middle Ages touched upon Armenia via Celicia. But after that Armenia was colonized and Europe "became" Europe. At the same time Armenia is located in Asia Minor/transcaucasia, that is Asia. Although Armenians love the European culture ever since Armenia became part of the Russia Empire, it isn't European. Because of Armenia's location and history.
As for American and European "imperialism", I would have to agree with Sevan. Globalization is a tool of pure capitalism; the rich get richer, while the poor get poorer. Even a UN comission admitted the fact that globalization hurts the poor a couple of days ago. But that is another topic altogether.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 13:40:44
"Where did you get this stuff about “European Colonialism” – from “Komsomolskaia Pravda”?"
From going to Armenia. They invest in everything they bring with them and they hold us on the line by making sure we buy buy and consume whatever they give. I haven't seen a single businessman investing in something Armenians already have and bringing it back with them. It's easy to say Armenians should stand on their own feet, but how can we when we are pressured on all sides by superpowers who each want their piece of our land and refuse to look at what we have to offer? Last time the CoE was in Armenia they claimed that Armenia has the same amount of political prisoners as Azerbaijan. Why did they claim that? To keep their so-called objectivity. Personally, I don't need the type of objectivity that lies about reality. Let them make these claims about their own countries. But who listens to our weak voice?
Another thing is the way they treat their refugees. Instead of using their skills and talents in work that Europeans have never even heard of, they either kick them out of their countries or force them to work dirty low-wage jobs, even when they're more educated than your average most highly educated European. What kind of 'civilised' nation treats traumatised human beings like that?
Not to forget of course the long-standing active denial of the Armenian Genocide. After the disgusting way that Europe has treated Armenians in the last 100 years, I don't want Armenia to even think of joining such hypocricy. As long as they support our vulnerability by supplying their ally Turkey with weapons and money that can wipe out Armenia in a split second, how can you expect me to speak positively about them?
And finally, trust me, Europe IS becoming a melting-pot, the euro being just the beginning. The Irish already don't speak any Celtic anymore, the Swedes and the Dutch are slowly but surely losing their mother-tongue, French youth prefers Hollywood films to authentic French art, and German kids will eat a burger any day before a sausage. My point is, with or without consent from the rest of the world, let's try to keep our rich culture alive, just for ourselves. We don't need to prove our richness by promoting it to the rest of the world. We already have proven ourselves and continue to do so enough. If the world wants to find out, Armenia is open for them to see. But for ourselves, let's not allow ourselves to become extinct museum material. That's not why our ancestors fought for their survival.
Survival: is something Armenians have done for the past 3000 years succesfully. Europeans have never been repeatedly threatened enough to understand what survival means. And yet, it is they who have the nerve to 'teach' us how to survive with their democracies and capitalisms and free markets. Armenians, Greeks, Persians, Jews, Assyrians, Chinese, Indians survived more than 5000 years, developing their own alphabets, religions and customs and still they move on as modern world-citizens. Europeans should be begging us for our secret to survival, not dictate us their unwarranted techniques. i.e. the more we depend on others (esp those who have never respected us), the less chance we have to survive.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 13:09:20
Sevan,
Where did you get this stuff about “European Colonialism” – from “Komsomolskaia Pravda”?
Open your minds and hearts guys. You are right that there is a lot of ignorance in Europe about the rest of the Europe and the surrounding arias and it is due to the long time isolation imposed to the East by the creepy Communism.
Armenian music has nothing to do with Middle Eastern music. If you are talking about “Rabiz lovers” that’s a different story. It is not different from the rest of the “cultural garbage” produced nowadays in the post Ottoman sphere(one more reason to hate the turks).
Europe has not intention to dilute the cultures in Europe. Exactly the opposite. A union of nations rather than union of marginal entities.
How can you imagine European culture without Greece, Tolstoi, Dostoyevsky, Pushkin, etc. etc….
It is up to us to make Armenia known to the world with her rich culture, architecture, science.
That way Armenia will take her rightful place among other nations.
And Hey, in order to dislike something you have to taste it first, right?
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 11:53:58
The only reason Armenia is part of the Council of Europe is because Europe wants to expand its influence throughout the world along with America.
If survival of our people and nation is a priority, then the last obstacle we need is European colonialism. Armenia is slowly but surely turning into Euro-trash and not a single 'civilised' European is doing anything to help us save our culture, language and inheritance. To them, just like to the Turks, the quicker we lose our national identity, the better.
I say to my Armo brothers and sisters out there: DON"T LET THIS HAPPEN!!!! We have outsurvived too many nations throughout our 3 millenia of existence to allow ignorant Europeans to outsurvive us with the culture they stole from us to begin with! Let them first respect us by recognising our contributions and then we can discuss joining them! But as long as Europeans treat us like barbarians and second-rate citizens, ignoring our influential contributions, they are themselves worse than untamed beasts and hardly deserve our support at all.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 08:51:37
It may be true that politicaly Armenia fits into that discription but the future of Europe is the EU. I have many European friends and to them, like to most Europeans, the EU is a union of states with similar cultural backgrounds and similar cultural similarities. Of course Armenia,like all countries west of Poland and the Baltics does not fit into that. It could be argued that modern Greece doesn't fit into that description neither, considering its cultural transformation after centuries of Ottoman occupation. The same could apply to any Balkan country. I guess the measuring stick is how Latin or Gothic the country is. But unlike Eastern European states, Armenia is an Eastern country. I don't think it is a complete Middle Eastern country, but Middle Eastern influence is tremendous; music is a good example. If Europe was only a union of political and Western ideals, most of the western hemispehere could relate to that as well. Of course Armenia should lean towards Europe as its partner for the future, but sorting out regional conflicts is premier. As for it joining in 15-20 years, I honestly think it would be impossible. Armenia is not culturaly European, so it has no chance. The only reason it is part of the Council of Europe is because Europe wants the improvement of human rights in transcaucasia. The say it is a step to fuller European intergration, but its nothing more than a carrot on a stick.
P.S You got a funky nickname too.
signed on Friday, the 21. of June 2002 at 07:09:28
Theoretically through accession... In practice after 15-20 years, if the "homework" is done properly.
It is a huge topic which I do not want to discuss here, but it all depends what is your understanding of Europe and what is regarded as European. There are many aspects to that which could be classified as political criterion, economical development, human rights etc. etc.
On the other hand, historically what constitutes Europe and West in general, (that might be regarded euphemistically as “cultural criterion”) have not always collided with what is considered “West”, neither what is Europe (geographically). In that sense the “doors” of Europe might be open to any country which shares the common values of the European Civilization (there is such an animal), and on the other hand, a country that has satisfactory “grades” with regard to the above mentioned three criteria.
I hope that would do for the time being.
Regards
PS: I like your nickname:)
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 20:37:24
Can you clarify your point please, Nemesis? How can Armenia "join" Europe?
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 19:36:26
Can you clarify your point please, Nemesis?
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 19:33:40
I only comment from the two posts I have read, something out of an old British novel or movie. Something which no English speaking person under 100 uses.
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 19:28:56
PS: you think his English is "Victorian"? This guy is such a caricature. A human-wanna be!
Rezan Pomiar!!!
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 15:26:05
hmm.. man if our economy is better we can join Eu.and i agree with you that Armenia is not enough to join Eu.
steve good to hear from you.
take care
banu
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 14:48:28
To Az (you),
Geographically wise you are right. To West Europeans even Balkans do not qualify. My point is about something else.:)
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 14:14:47
Nemesis,
I'm not sure that Europe will ever want Armenia or any transcaucasian countries to be in the EU or in any significant European institutions. To a lot of Western Europeans "real" Europe ends at Germany and Austria, places far away from Armenia. I don't think that Armenia is European. Transcaucasia and Asia Minor are the only regions that equate with what Armenia is. It is not European. It has nothing to do with Europe. Neither do countries like Turkey, Georgia or Russia. Real Europe is Western Europe and parts of Central Europe.
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 08:57:29
Steve,
First of all you are a racist for saying all Armenians are alike. The nickname "Suliman the Magnificent" is the further indication of an inferiority complex. A lot of people who have an inferiority complex resort to racist remarks. And the outdated Victorian English you use is a third indication of your inferiority complex because you try to sound superior. All of your remarks about the Armenian people are just plain racism, so all the rest that comes out of your posts must be full of stupidity as well.
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 08:45:40
Bark bark bark, that's all you denialists can do when you have no evidence left to prove your innocence and the world has turned its back against you to help the victims you made. Denying the Armenian Genocide can in no way strengthen your case, barking denialist. It only strengthens the ARMENIAN case more.
I never asked for your DEFENCE, illiterate denialist, I asked for an APOLOGY.
signed on Thursday, the 20. of June 2002 at 01:04:51
Don't be so sure about anything. In the past 12 years so many miraculous things happened.
Germany reunified, Soviet Union collapsed, Yugoslavia was disintegrated, Macedonia for the first time has independent state and so many other miraculous things.
I'm sure in 20 years from now Kurds will have their own state in the turkish southeast, probably significant part of the so-called "turks" will realize that they are islamized something else, hopefully Armenia will get back what is due in accordance with the International Law.... and the world will be better place. Then Europe can join Armenia, this time without "Roman tricks"!
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of June 2002 at 18:13:59
Zero,
I never said that Turkey has to join, it doesn't have to do anything. But there are plenty of people in Turkey, not the majority, who want Turkey to join the economic union because it will improve the Turkish economy. And from where did you gather that I don't know what the EU is or that Armenia will join it? Armenia will probably never join the EU, although it is a memeber of the Council of Europe. Please read my post carefuly before arguing a point that I never made.
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of June 2002 at 17:42:33
I wasn't planning on coming back, but Ata you are such a stupid donkey idiot, that I couldn't resist. Only someone educated by Turkish government controlled schools could come up with the stupid logic you just spewed. And only someone like Steve would promote this bullshit to be taught. Like I said, denialist, your time will come very very soon.
Armenians survived your genocide, just like Jews survived the stupid Nazis. Just because your stupid loser government was too stupid to be able to kill all of us, doesn't mean they didn't carelessly attempt to do so. The proof is overwhelming. The world knows it. Canada recognised the Armenian genocide last week. Very soon, very very soon, your government is going to crumble and instead of arguing with your pathetic stupid Turkish taught arguments with Armenians on the internet, you'll be repenting and crying and wishing Armenians and the rest of the world will eventually forgive your sorry ass. Because EVERYONE, except Turkey, KNOWS that it's the Armenians who are telling the truth, and not the Turks.
Don't even bother to disagree. I'll only accuse you of being brainwashed, which you very clearly are.
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of June 2002 at 13:29:22
To Zero,
I wasn't going to write but I opened the guestbook after a long time and what did I see?
You had accepted the genocide...
Yes,also I am accepting the massacres against the armenians whatever the cause is.Massacres against the Turks by armenians don't excuse anything.But is it true to call this events as genocide?
If this is a genocide, we could have killed all of the armenians like nazis(they killed all the jews not only in their country; in every country they invaded.)But we didn't.Also, you can see this if you read the armenian pages.
They are emigrated from one place to another.(Because after massacres which they made with russians, this two nations could not be together anymore.So they are emigrated as a punishment or as a reward because;if they hadn't been emigrated, they would have been killed by the Turkish men when they returned from war because of their(armenians) act to their family when they were away.)
During this emigration lots of armenians killed for revenge or for money by Turkish soldiers and the people(mostly Turks and Kurds) living in that area.Also some of them are killed by armenian gangs for money.
But this was not so much in number.Others died because of this hard emigration including a big desert in that war conditions.
2,500,000 Turk died in WWI and only 500,000 were soldiers, others died in their home because of hard war conditions(hunger,illness....)And they didn't emigrated to Syria.(Very long way including a desert.)
So 600,000 of 1,500,000 armenians died in this hard emigration and that's not so much in that conditions.And most of them died from ilness,hunger.....(Yes some of them killed.)
Also lots of Turkish soldiers died while passing from the desert with armenians.And more than 1000 of them are EXECUTED because of their massacre against armenians.
My guestion to you,IF THAT WAS A REAL GENOCÝDE, WHY WE DÝDN'T KILL ALL OF THEM(WE COULD HAVE DONE BUT WE DÝDN'T) AND WHY THÝS SOLDÝERS ARE EXECUTED.
I am not a denialist.I am accepting massacres to armenians but I am not accepting the "word" GENOCIDE.If you don't know the meaning of genocide(soykýrým) you can look from a dictionary.
Then if you give me a answer I will be glad.Also post me your e-mail.You have many so I don't know which one is true.My e-mail is above.I am waiting for your answer.
Regards,
Ata
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of June 2002 at 09:56:01
The Turks are no more Europeans than we are, but Europeans have a vision of Europe that includes Turkey and Armenia in it as well for security reasons. It is important that Turkey recognize the genocide because the two nations are neighbors and hence have to live next to each other, whether they like it or not. There must be dialogue between the two sides if there true peace is to be achieved. Plain hatred leads to more violence. As for the so called "civilized" world - which I think you mean the West, screw them. I believe there is no such thing as the civilized world. Civilizations may be different, but one is no better than the other. Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and Spain, and the genocide of the Native Americans come to mind to disprove that point. Why should Armenians care about what the West thinks? That don't care about Armenia, least know where it is on the map. All Armenia has to care about is improving its economy, ending war, and making relationships with its neighbors. And Turkey must accept historical facts before Armenia can have full diplomatic relations with them.
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of June 2002 at 09:00:50
Why should turks join Europe, when they are not Europeans. They are filthy asiatic barbarians.
Why you care so much whether they will recognize the Genocide or not. I want the "civilized" world to recognize it, not the turks.
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of June 2002 at 23:35:31
First of all, I'm Armenian. The problem between Turkey and Armenia is going to be solved in only one instance: If Turkey wants to join the EU it has to accept the genocide and open up its borders. Armenia wants the acceptance so it can move on as a country and as a people and it wants trade with Turkey and EU so the Armenian economy will improve. Turkey wants to join the EU so that its economy will improve. Most Turks don't know that the genocide occured, they are taught the contrary at school. And the European Parliment made it a mandate that it accept the genocide and open up its borders. The only way they'll do it is if they will get something out of it. Its wrong, but it is realistic.
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of June 2002 at 16:11:38
nobody tells that u r wrong.nobody can silence you.the one thing u do is to judge Turkish peopLe on account of Turkish GOVERNMENT.government cannot explain wat 60 million turks think about that matter.turkish government is not my tongue.most Turkish youngsters dont hate Armenians..why is it a big probLem? why do u feeL being hated? i dont hate the Armenian and i see that they dont hate the Turkish.i have a few friends to prove it. ... at first i was afraid of being turned down by them.but then i see that they have no hatred.they only complain about tha probLems between Turkey and Armenia.. so if ya try to talk to Turkish peopLe,i think u wont be turned down!
banu ^^
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of June 2002 at 13:54:30
I can't believe I was so stupid to fall for this. YOU are ALL Turks (except maybe Nemesis, eench es tegha jan?) trying to make it look like this is how Turks and Armenians communicate. Listen stupid idiots, ONE MORE TIME, we real Armenians want PEACE AND RECONCILIATION with Turks. Most Armenians I know don't hate Turks (even after everything you have done and continue to do to them), but most Turks I know don't even look at Armenians let alone speak to them and like them. You know how threatened we Armenians feel here? Knowing that the Grey Wolves and Turkish embassy are watching every step we make? How can any of you dare to call yourself democratic, modern and liberal, when my heart is pounding as I'm writing this. How many more Armenians are you planning on silencing before you realise that that is NOT the solution to openness, democracy, peace and reconciliation? You guys figure it out. I'm not coming back.
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of June 2002 at 02:08:12
Ottawa, Canada 6/13/02 - With Armenian National Committee of Canada
(ANCC) representatives from throughout Canada watching from the
gallery, the Canadian Senate, by an overwhelming vote, adopted a
motion to recognize the Armenian Genocide. Motion 44 was sponsored
by Senator Shirley Maheu and seconded by Senator Raymond C.
Setlakwe, both from Quebec. The motion was adopted 39 to one. An
ANCC delegation has been in Ottawa for the past week educating
Senators about the importance to Canada of standing up against
Turkey's campaign to deny the first genocide of the 20th Century.
After the vote, a beaming Senator Maheu said: "This recognition
enables Armenians the world over to turn the page on this sad
chapter of their collective history and resolutely face the
future."
A tearful Senator Setlakwe said: "I supported Senator Maheu's
motion to preserve a historical memory. Humanity is far from being
safe from a repetition of this massacre. That it is all the more
important that the Genocide be recognized. Africa and many other
places in the world are threatened by this sort of barbaric
behaviour."
"The Senate recognition of the Armenian Genocide is an important
message to the world that such a mark on human dignity will not be
tolerated," said Hagop Der Khatchadourian, The Armenian National
Committee of Canada (ANCC) Chairman. "In keeping with the Canadian
tradition of preventing such crimes against humanity, the adoption
of the motion will enhance Canada's standing as a compassionate and
a fair-minded country, where principles take priority over
expediency and short-term political or economic gain," said the
ANCC chairman. "We congratulate Senators Maheu and Setlakwe for
sponsoring the motion and we would like to salute the Senate of
Canada for its principled stand on such an important human rights
issue," said Der Khatchadourian.
The ANCC President, Dr. Jerair Basmadjian, urged the Government and
the House of Commons to "call a spade a spade and follow in the
foot-steps of the Senate, the legislative assemblies of Ontario and
Quebec and recognize the Genocide of the Armenians as such." In
1980 the legislators of Ontario and Quebec recognized the Armenian
Genocide and urged the Government of Canada to follow suit.
ANCC was the driving force behind the motion. During the past
fifteen months ANCC and its coast-to-coast chapters worked closely
with senators, providing them with voluminous documentation on the
Armenian Genocide.
PS: It is about time for Mobile-Exxon (pardon USA), to do the same!
signed on Sunday, the 16. of June 2002 at 23:15:00
Whats with all the Turkish people on this board, if you dispise us so much, why do you talk to us? Its not going to accomplish anything, your not going to change our mind that 1.5mil of our relatives friends and peoples where killed... even more. You think your thoughts and judgement of our beliefs is going to change any of them, you have no right in telling us that we are wrong, maybe you should tell yourself that you are wrong, and admit that what your ancestors have done was a grave mistake!
Arrogance is the ideal brick to distruction of nations.
-Vicious
signed on Saturday, the 15. of June 2002 at 12:08:13
And I know you would enjoy yourself if we actually did, you sick nasty Pedofile!
signed on Saturday, the 15. of June 2002 at 11:57:13
Dear Zero, thank you for expressing your recognition of the Armenian Genocide so clearly. I do want to point out that the only reason militant Armenians sided with Russians was because they felt defenseless against the destructive Ottoman army. No matter what 'atrocities' these militant Armenians committed, it was still not a valid enough reason for the Young Turks to commit genocide against a defenseless population of women, children and elderly all over Turkey, even far far away from the Russian border. Even worse, it should not be reason for the present Turkish government to openly deny this. But I'm glad that you wouldn't mind sharing Turkey with Armenians. I sincerely appreciate you for that.
Steve, I've said this before: you are a professional denialist and if you deny this, then you're only reinforcing my point. The way your government treated our women during the genocide and treats our women today by denying the genocide is a thousand times worse than a 'drunkard' communicating with a woman via internet. You, out of all people, have no right to speak about women's rights. First apologise and repent for what your ancestors did and for what you are doing now and then we'll talk again.
Vicious, I'm glad we agree. For a moment I thought I was the only one here who thought like that.
Truth, et eshin vor yet e ekel mi lessir. Yes haskanoom em inchoo doo im vra jrayn eir, yev yes kez yerpek dra hamar chem atel. Hooysov em yet gas. Vortegh es?
Patel, if my English is too difficult, please use a dictionary (a book where you can look up words you don't know) and forget about sleeping with me. It's not going to happen. Indian men are sexy, but I'm looking for 100% Armenian genes. Sorry.
signed on Saturday, the 15. of June 2002 at 04:26:18
You cannot tell a person to dispise his own country, well except Americans. If you came up to a Turkish Citizen and told him to hate his countries history, he might as well kill himself, because he is a turk and if he hates where he came from, there is nothing left for him. He may regret what he has done in his history, everyone makes mistakes and some nations make very big ones, and some nations do not think it was a mistake. Im Armenian, I hate what turks have done to our people, but I cannot put that hate on all the children that they have, their women, and just normal people that live there. I only put that hate on the buerocrats and bastards that gave the orders, and to those that listened to the orders to wipe out a nation. And I hate the turks for trying to tell me lies that nothing like this happened, it did, and if it is not corrected and not paid for, it will happen again maybe not to US but to another race, even Hiter said "who remembers the armenians?" for he commited another genocide against the Jewish. As someone said once to me "history repeats itself". I dont blame every turk for what happened, but the select few that have blood on their hands and order the decimation of nations.
Sorry for my rambling, but maybe it means something to some of you.
-Vicious
signed on Saturday, the 15. of June 2002 at 00:03:04
Zero,
Suppose that someone comes to your house (Mongolia, which is your homeland), and says that you are "giavur", and you don't deserve to live because you are infidel. Suppose that this same person takes your children to be trained in his military detachments, suppose that this invader starts taxing you like hell, and then decides that he can do whatever he pleases with your family. What will you do? If you revolt, would you dare to call this "backstabbing"?
signed on Thursday, the 13. of June 2002 at 20:21:41
yes sevan since i came this site,i have been tryin to tell my opinion to every1 in this site.but no1 wanted to understand me. i recognize armenian genocide and i dont wanna recognise ottoman empire as my history(this was my first opinion in this site).but i reaLLy am not in one side.i think that both sides had made mistakes.(backstabbin' and then genocide)
for example some of my friends wants to share the lands of Turkey with kurds.but i dont like em so much becoz they wanted to make this real by killin so many peopLe.
but for armenians i dont think like that.
but they are determined not to understand wat say.whenever i say sth they disagree.and they make me disagree with themseLves.
i agreed with some of the opinions of NemeSiS and Antranik up till now.but actually i dont care other fooL armenians who talk nonsense.and if only they hadnt made so many propagandaS about that hatred to turks.that was a mistake.no matter how turks want peace reluctantLy,i dun think there will be peace between T and A in reaL.i think both sides had lotsa mistakes in past.
and nobody can help it...
maybe i am not proud of my nation's history(O.E) and i dont support tha decisions of my government.but im an individual of that nation.and every1 defends their nation.
baNu
signed on Thursday, the 13. of June 2002 at 14:12:45
To my Miss Sevan,
Why you use words that are hard to know? WoMan, you make me crazi. My jon tompson is sweled up and being painfil. MIss Sevan, do you make the fun of me, huh? I think of you with me all of the evening. i cannot sleep good. I must use MANY small cloths every time that i see you at the night. Why you dont want to come here and love me?
you like the baby boys better? You say again that i am sexy,yes. I say to you now woman, you put the monay in your maoth, if you say that i am the sexy INDIAN MAN, then i will pay for you to come here to make the love with me for 1 week. If you say no to this, then you are no good talking liar. If you say yes, i will send money to you and you come here and enjoy PATEL for the 1 week. maybe have a baby boy PATEL later,yes. You tell me now what you want to do. Also i have no drink for much time now.I can think OK. PATEL make you very happy in makeing the love. maybe you cannot walk good for 1 day after but you feel beter again with PATEL. You dont need the baby boys when you may have a real SEXY MAN from INDIA. I wait for you always.
To the baby boys, i have what all of you dont. I have a BIG 1. I make the girl feel good. Miss Sevan says that i am sexy. You see baby boys, she must think of me also at night and cannot sleep. She dont call any of you baby boys SEXY. We will make a real baby boy when she come here to be with me. you will all see and then you will kiss my feet, yes.
This is B. PATEL
signed on Monday, the 10. of June 2002 at 19:37:22
Zero, if you agree with me then you are recognising the Armenian Genocide and its active denial by the present Turkish government. By agreeing with me you are also recognising the fact that Turks have been and are still oppressing Armenians and you want this to stop. You also want peace and reconciliation between Turks and Armenians, which means that you are willing to share Turkey with Armenians. If this is the case then I applaude you and welcome you to the club.
Patel, I don't assimilate, sorry. Full-blood Armenians must and will stay alive. You're a very atomic writer though. You sexy Indian MAN.
signed on Monday, the 10. of June 2002 at 14:05:53
seVan,there's nothin to say..i agree with you...by heart :)
truth,your propaganda was so emotionaL man ..i was affected!!! man tell ur story but dont make up much ok?
pateL .. u are tha shame of India..go home!!
signed on Monday, the 10. of June 2002 at 13:21:22
Mr. Patel,
Didn't Brits taught you to sip responsibly?
signed on Monday, the 10. of June 2002 at 09:42:58
Ayo, shat lav hayeren em khosoom aper jan. Baits yerevi da bavakan chi vor kez hamozem. Hey, I love Armenians man, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they say or do. And yes I resent Turkish politicians, denialists, Grey Wolves and everyone who's brainwashed by them, but that doesn't mean I hate the poor Turkish grocer across the street who quietly whispers on a Monday afternoon that he wishes things could be better between Armenians and Turks and that it's high time the Turkish government gave up its genocidal policies. Maybe it's because of this and very very very few other good Turks in the back of my mind that I find it hard to insult all Turks, or to generalise. I mean, the other side of the modern Turkish story is the group of Turkish high school girls in the hallway who say out loud in Turkish to each other around April 24 "Never recognise the Armenian Genocide, whatever you do." Yes, I resent that type of Turk, esp the one who knows it happened but denies it anyway. But I still can't bring it to my heart to generalise. But like I said, I agree with you that there are still way too many Turks who are still way too indoctrinated by their still way too foul government that teaches them to hate Armenians and deny the Armenian genocide. Why are we even arguing enker? Togh irar chootenk, baits mianank yev ays esh harevanerin (kam tshnaminerin ko asatsov) grelov haghtenk.
Hall of Fame
Steve Zaillian
Screenwriter and Oscar winner Schindler's List
Hall of Shame
Justin McCarthy
Infamous Armenian Genocide denialist
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 19:12:59
pnti-zaven, like the turks before you, you keep yelling a screaming without ever proving a point.
No one for some reason remembers what has happend between the Armenian and the Polish players because in reality nothing has happened. The turkish players, on the other hand, get one red card after another becuase they believe only on turkish way of competition-which in fact means to destroy everyting on your way. When the turks try to justify their genocidal acts, they always say look to the French or the British. Look what the yanks did to the Indians...etc. If you keep looking for excuses, then there will never be a chance for you to improve. Or like I already said, in a year 2002 you never come forward with an excuse of being an ignorant because everyting you do will create a reaction. If for hundreds of years the turks haven't learn that by destroying they will accomplish nothing, then i care less about how ignorant and genocidal they are. If 70-80 million turks couldn't make a normal team so they could at least play a normal game, then I care less about how you justify the turkish players provoked faights. hah the turkish players even attack to the people who don't even play football.
O) this one is for those who love football
Hall of Fame
Yuri Djorkayev
Hall of Shame
The Turkish Football Team
p.s. you don't speak armenian, do you?
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 17:12:08
Patel, we think you are the best among the best. It's just the life that plays dirty tricks on you and that you are given no chance to prove yourself. But for some reason, I can't undrstand why you have to prove your power in here when you can face the enemy in Kashmir. You are not scared of them, are you?
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 16:50:15
That's really pushing it Truth. Last time Armenians played football they got pretty aggressive with the Poles as well. And trust me, it weren't the Poles who started. Football is an aggressive sport. British supporters are known to be some of the worst in the world. You should've seen the damage they did to Holland and Belgium two years ago. It were German supporters who beat a police officer to death in France last WC. And on the field... Keep watching the WC, because more red cards will be handed out to teams around the world. This is not a Turkish-only thing. And yes, I am convinced that at least half of the Turkish population if given the proper info about the Armenian Genocide will immediately repent. I've seen it happen to one too many 'innocent, ignorant, uneducated' Turks to kind of know what I'm talking about. I may not have read all the books in the world, but I actually grew up among Turks.
Patel, I don't give a shit about your atomic bomb. Most Russian nuclear weapons are in Armenia, but that's beside the point. Like Truth said, I'm a peace preaching pnti pacifist. What I want to know is whether you're more atomic than some of the Indian babies I know here?
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 16:48:40
MR. TRUTH,
Do you think i am some stupid garbage. you Dare to insult an INDIAN Man. We can crush the all OF You. we have the gurkahs and the strong army. maybe my english is not so good as you. I work hard for make the money in the new York city. I can not have the time to spend 24 hours on these site, such as you!!! Do you not work. YOu are a baby boy, not a real man. Go look your pants and see. If you make insult to me again, i will find you. India has the Gurkahs. maybe some come with me when we find you. you know what they can do with the kukri nife. You are the insect. you never make the love to Miss Zevan. Only real India man can. I am not afraid of you or the pakistani. We WILL CRUSH YOU like iNsECT.
If you want to know i am at first from the Madras in INDIA.
My name is B. PATEL
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 16:37:25
pnti zaven, in a time when millions of people are massacred by the genocidal turks, in a time when the bloody turks are accused of a cultural genocide...and in a time when our own life is hanging from the balance, we don't need your kind of zavens preaching us about love and tolerance. before you make provocative comments about us hating others, you must understand that the turks are in an armed conflict with almost all their neighbors. once again, being ignorant and uneducated is in no way an excuse to support the genocidal regime of the turkish government. we live in the year 2002 and the turkish internal problems aren't imported from anywhere in the world. if the turks are chosen to be the same as they were for hundreds of years, then they have to face the consequences of their actions. just take a look to what is happening in thw World Cup [games]. Just take a look how bloody and how aggressive the turkish football players are. Do I need to count how many red and yellow cards the turkish football players have gotten? Just take a look to all the fights they create. I am sure you know it better then me. If being among the civilized changes the turks in no way, then being an ignorant turk from some remote village of turkey is no concern of mine. If the small nation of armenians could have survie a genocide and manage to built one of the best educational systems in the world, then i see no reason for the turks to stay ignorant and genocidal.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 16:26:13
Truth, didn't read your message before posting my last. I have to say that I do agree with you. There are more good Armos than good Turks and this just shows how powerful the Turkish brainwashing propaganda machine is. Because I'm sure you'd agree that if Turks had leaders more akin to the Armenian culture they would've never committed genocide to begin with, let alone spend billions of dollars a year on ensuring that people continue to forget the Armenians. What they're not realising though is that more and more Armenians are becoming openly famous (i.e. no more embarrassed Agassis and Chers, but proud SOADs and Egoyans). I mean, if we don't end up beating Turkey at a political level (although at this rate anything's possible), we will at a world-wide level. To Steve and Muhammet, your time will come very soon.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 16:14:33
Truth, didn't read your message before posting my last. I have to say that I do agree with you. There are more good Armos than good Turks and this just shows how powerful the Turkish brainwashing propaganda machine is. Because I'm sure you'd agree that if Turks had leaders more akin to the Armenian culture they would've never committed genocide to begin with, let alone spend billions of dollars a year on ensuring that people continue to forget the Armenians. What they're not realising though is that more and more Armenians are becoming openly famous (i.e. no more embarrassed Agassis and Chers, but proud SOADs and Egoyans). I mean, if we don't end up beating Turkey at a political level (although at this rate anything's possible), we will at a world-wide level. To Steve and Muhammet, your time will come very soon.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 16:12:58
Patel,
do you know how your dad met you mom? i am interested to know how they spoke to each other at home. btw, are you sure you are from India?
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 16:01:22
Miss zevan,
i write to yuo to say to leeve the armenee boys. the turkye and the greece and the armenee are BaBy BOYS. You come to me. I show you how a INDIAN man treat the lady. We will make the good love and sex. the baby bOys are very small. do not know the love. INDIA man is strong, very smart. INDIA not afraid of no one. not even maybe the US. We have the atomic bomb. You say before the Indian man very sexy. It is true, of course. You make the contakt with me. i will bring you to my house in New YoRk. You make the love always. with a real man.
This is B. PATEL
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 15:52:10
just a correction...
0.01 percent of "good turks" are "not" the same as 70-80 million turks who support their genocidal government.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 15:49:58
Sorry for leaving 2 messages. The first one didn't seem to go through the first time and it was erased when I came back.
One more:
Hall of Fame
Taner Akcam
Exiled supporter of Hai Tahd
Hall of Shame
Muhammet Resit Guleser
Professional denialist. See his entry below.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 15:48:19
sevan-pnti zaven, the counted few turks who do support the armenians, and the counted few turks who did help the armenains to escape the massacres must not be put in the same level with the other bloody bastards. the armenians in Baku, Sumgait, and Kirovabad were massacred by their own azeri-turk neighbors. the armenian women who were married to azri-turks, were tortured to death by their own husbands. the counted few who have escaped the massacres were truly saved by their turkish friends. hey, but who says that all the nazis were genocidal bastards? how many of them helped the jews to escape to freedom...? according to you, out of 70-80 million turks, 30-40 million of them are exile. do you at least know the counted few turks who do recognize the genocide are close friends of the armenians? do you at least know that they world together with the armenians to have the genocide recognized?
regardless how look to the situation, ignorance and the fact of being uneducated is in no way an excuse for the turks to support their bloody government. btw, do you know the same Kocharyan who happens to be one of the organizers of the parliament killings sits in the same table with his turkish mason brothers? do you know that Talaat, the turkish dog was sentanced by the turkish court just because he has ordered the death of the armenian masons?
just remember!!!
0.01% of 'bad' armenians must never be put in the same level with 0.01% of good turks
also, 0.01% of the good turks are the same as of 70-80 million turks who still live with the rules set by their grand-grand fathers 6-7 hundred years ago.
Hall of Fame
Armenia
Hall of Shame
Turkey
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 15:44:31
Thanks for the warm welcome Truth jan. You want to know the Truth about where to find good Turks? Look deeper, my dear intellectual compatriot. Most of them are hiding in exile or imprisoned in Turkey. There aren't that many, I agree, but they ARE there. Most Turks don't even know Armenia exists. How can you blame them for being brainwashed? It's the guys who brainwash that should be caught and punished, not the entire population. I mean are you telling me you support a person like Le Pen who wants Armenians out of France more than a Turk who stands up for Armenian rights? Sorry if I distinguish nationalists, denialists, racists, fascists from ethnic backgrounds. Steve, for instance, is a professional denialist. I don't give a damn about his ethnic background. He could be a deaf Chinese midget with Nigerian ancestors for all I care. He could even be a she as far as I'm concerned. I don't even give a rat's ass what type of denialist he is (i.e. Armenian Genocide, Jewish Holocaust, Rwandan Genocide, Balkan wars etc). What I do care about is that he's a denialist. He's the one who's deliberately brainwashing his people. He's the one who's making reconciliation between Armenians and Turks impossible. And it is he and his sponsors that have to be 'wiped out', not the entire Turkish population. How can you, as an Armenian, claim that you are a God-fearing human being, when it is you who is slaughtering innocent people? My point is how can there ever be peace if we constantly seek revenge? Let these stupid people, regardless of their ethnic background, come on this site and embarrass themselves. You don't have to be one of them, do you?
Hall of Fame
Nazim Hikmet uncensored
Poet and supporter of the Armenian Cause
Hall of Shame
Robert Kocharian
Murderer and denialist
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 15:20:39
Thanks for the warm welcome Truth jan. You want to know the Truth about where to find good Turks? Look deeper, my dear intellectual compatriot. Most of them are hiding in exile or imprisoned in Turkey. There aren't that many, I agree, but they ARE there. Most Turks don't even know Armenia exists. How can you blame them for being brainwashed? It's the guys who brainwash that should be caught and punished, not the entire population. I mean are you telling me you support a person like Le Pen who wants Armenians out of France more than a Turk who stands up for Armenian rights? Sorry if I distinguish nationalists, denialists, racists, fascists from ethnic backgrounds. Steve, for instance, is a professional denialist. I don't give a damn about his ethnic background. He could be a deaf Chinese midget with Nigerian ancestors for all I care. He could even be a she as far as I'm concerned. I don't even give a rat's ass what type of denialist he is (i.e. Armenian Genocide, Jewish Holocaust, Rwandan Genocide, Balkan wars etc). What I do care about is that he's a denialist. He's the one who's deliberately brainwashing his people. He's the one who's making reconciliation between Armenians and Turks impossible. And it is he and his sponsors that have to be 'wiped out', not the entire Turkish population. How can you, as an Armenian, claim that you are a God-fearing human being, when it is you who is slaughtering innocent people? My point is how can there ever be peace if we constantly seek revenge? Let these stupid people, regardless of their ethnic background, come on this site and embarrass themselves. You don't have to be one of them, do you?
Hall of Fame
Nazim Hikmet uncensored
Poet and supporter of the Armenian Cause
Hall of Shame
Robert Kocharian
Murderer and denialist
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 15:18:59
Thanks for the kind welcome Truth. I guess you're right, who the fuck am I to speak of good Turks when I've met some. Sorry buddy, but there ARE Turks who do NOT deny the Armenian Genocide, are ready to give back more than Armenians want and have even visited the genocide monument in Armenia on April 24. And yes, I have also met denialist Turks, or brainwashed Turks. I've even dealt with Grey Wolves. I stand up for the right of Armenians, but I also critise their abuse whenever and wherever it occurs. Sorry if I'm not the nationalist you were hoping all Armenians are. I'm sorry for making a distinction between nationalists, denialists, fascists, racists and ethnic backgrounds. Are you telling me you prefer a British Armenian Genocide denialist over a Turkish one? Or that a Turkish fascist is worse than a German one? Would you rather be friends with Le Pen whose policy is to kick Armenians out of France or a Turk who stands up for Armenian rights? I never said that this type of Turk was in the majority, but to entirely dismiss his existence is really too extreme for me. Let's face it, the majority of Turks don't even know where Armenia is, let alone know what happened to its inhabitants. Can you blame them? The point is, if you want peace between Armenians and Turks then you have to allow yourself to become friends with good Turks. If you don't want peace, or worse if you want Turks wiped off the face of the earth, then you're as bad as Talaat, Enver, Hitler and the rest of them.
You know what, I should've known one of you guys would treat me like shit. I mean the way some of you treated poor socialist 'a' was beyond words. If this is Armenian brotherhood/sisterhood, then fuck it. I don't want to be part of it.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 14:42:12
Hall of Fame
The Zildjian Family
The World's leading cymbal and drumstick makers who have left Constontinople to escape the genocide.
http://www.zilidjian.com/
Hall of Shame
the Aliyev Family
The ex-KGB boss and the former "Politburo" member Heydar Aliyev has organized the Armenian genocide in Nakhijevan. The dictator of azerbaijan will soon pass his throne to his son...
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 14:02:16
While the filthy turks keep coming back with their fabricated stories, the world has already recognized the armenian genocide and the time has arrived to corner the barbarian turks.
who cares what the armenains or the turks say!?! ...
"In 1915 the Turkish government began and ruthlessly carried out the infamous general massacre and deportation of Armenians in Asia Minor...There is no reasonable doubt that the crimes was planned and executed for political reasons. The opportunity presented itself for clearing Turkish soil of a Christian race."
Winston Churchill "The World Crisis: The Aftermath" (1929) pg. 405
"During the night, between April 23 and 24, 1915, the Constantinople police broke into the homes of the Armenian elite in the city. Two hundred thirty-five Armenian leaders-politicians, writers, educators, lawyers, etc.-were taken to the police station and then deported. Several hundred others were taken in the days that followed. Elimination of its leadership left the Armenian community fonfused, fearful, and unable to offer resistance to the Turks. This patern, eliminating the leadership first, repeated itself in the six eastern provinces where most of the Armenian population was concentrated, and in Cilicia. Thus, April 24 symbolizes for the Armenians the beginning of the genocide, and thereafter has become the annual memorial day of the Armenian genocide."
Yair Auron "The Banality of Indifference"
"It is not use for you to argue." Talaat answered, "we have already disposed of three quarters of the Armenians; there are none at all left in Bitlis, Van and Arzeroum. The hatred between the Turks and the Armenians is now so intense that we have got to finist with them. If we don't, they will plan their revange."
Henry Morgenthau-U.S. Ambassador to Turkey
"Most of the Armenian men who had until then served as combat soldiers were sent to the Sinai Desert in platoons to build roads and reilways tracks in order to open transportation through the desert. Without clothing, poor supplies or no supplies at all, limited food, without proper sanitary conditions, all this quickly decimated some battalions by 30%. There were days in which tens and even hundreds of men would die in a single day. A typhoid fever peidemic ravaged them. By the end of March there was, in effect, no longer a single labor batallion in the desert.
An order then arrived from above to Islamize the Armenians. The task was assigned to the local commanders who managed to convert a not inconsiderable number of Armenians, by threat and sometimes bribery. In some stations there were big conversion and circumcision festivities. In the hospital which I administrated I myself was forced to conduct these operations on approximately twenty men.
Dr. Moshe Kriegel"
Yair Auron "The Banality of Indifference"
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Who the hell is this parasite turk calling himself zaven??? Hey you moron, welcome to the earth. As if you just discovered a new America and now we all have to hear you preach us love and tolerance? Where ther fuck are the so-called "good turks" while their government killes innocent kurdish women and children? Where the hell are the same good turks when they don't stop the cultural genocide against the armenians? Have you forgotten that we live in the year 2002? For the God's sake, what kind of a moron would stand back and watch his/her government to be accused by the international community and do nothing about it. Have you facking forgotten the Baku, Shusi, Sumgait, Kirovabad massacres. At the end of the 20th century the bloody azeri-turks did the same as their fathers and grandfathers were doing. Beside, where the fuck were you, you filty leftover, when the same bloody bastards were trying to kill me and my family??? Have you gone insane??? Who the fuck are you to preach us tolerance while our own life is in a danger. You think by playing with DOUBLE STANDARDS you will be able to convince us that you are an armenian??? and who the fuck are you to blame the victims for their natural reaction regarding their pain and suffering? go fuck your mom you filthy, bloody leftover and don't ever post another nonsense in this GUESTBOOK. we have said this over and over...the GUESTBOOK IS NOT OPEN BOARD WHERE THE FILTHY TURKS POST THEIR FABRICATED NONSENSE.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 13:44:46
Sorry Sir,
I'm having hard time to rewrite or pronounce your name, but I give you credit for your honest approach.
My question is what in the first place Moslems are doing in Van. Were you invited there, were you paying a visit or what?
The made up sorties of how Armenians killed, raped, and did all kinds of nasty things might have sound truthful if there were not tones of proves for the opposite. Independent study course regarding Greek and Balkan history may be very helpful in order to find a genetic pattern of Turkish behavior.
Armenians were prohibited of having guns. They were "Infidels", (raia). Are you trying to tell me that unarmed (according to your estimation 17 000 people, women and children included) fought successfully against regular turkish forces equipped with artillery?
We are not that proud as Armenians!!!!
Try to study some independent sources of history. After the Berlin Congress adjourned the six Armenian Provinces of Ottoman Empire were given special rights and status. They were called Armenian because the majority of the population was Armenian, thus these were the lands of the Armenian kingdoms prior to the invasion of the Moslems.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 13:42:28
man i told you tha EU story.but i dun think you got it!! im sorry but i dont have tha energy to tell you that story again.. but only sentence that i can make you is that 'who cares for EU'?
as individual...in my opinion we dont have to get help from EU.we can be democratic enough and well-economised without EU!
and one more thing stop tellin' me guy.. im not
BaNu
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 13:15:43
An Eye Witness Account
Father's Name : Abdullah
Mother's name : Habibe
Place of Birth: Van
Date of Birth: 1900
I was a young student at the (Teachers' training
college) school, around 15 or 16 years old during
the Armenian massacres, and remember what happened
quite well. Before the First World War, we had good
neighbourly relations with the Armenians (whose
population was said to be approximately 17,000).
With the declaration of the constitutional monarchy
in 1908, they started to exploit the principles of
independence, equality, and justice to their
benefit. Their leader in Van, Aram Pasha, was in
the delegation that notified Sultan Hamit that he
would have to leave his throne. The Armenians set
up an underground organization in Van, and dug
tunnels which extended from near the Great Mosque
(Büyük Camii) all the way to the old section of
town. It was even possible to go through these
tunnels on horseback. One day some parts of the
tunnel collapsed so was discovered by a guard
incidentally. Aram Pasha was caught near the Great
Mosque upon the intelligence of an Armenian but was
released without punishment due to the political
sensitivities of the time.
In short, the Armenians organized themselves very
well and became rich financially in commerce. After
the Armenians and Jews were permitted to join the
military, some groups of Armenians, joined the
military with their weapons during the retreat of
the Van division. Our soldiers were carrying
German-made primitive weapons which could only fire
four shots and the fifth one would drop to the
gound. According to what we had heard from Mr.
Haci Latif and the others who later returned to
Van, the Armenians in the Van division were
shooting our soldiers in the back. There were also
several cases of Armenian doctors and nurses
poisoning our wounded soldiers who were treated in
the hospitals in Van after returning from the
eastern front.
As to the situation in Van, the Russians were
approaching from three fronts, Muradiye, Özalp, and
Baskale. The Armenians in the city were rebelling
and continued an aggressive campaign against the
Muslim population for 29 days. We had three
barracks, Haci Bekir, Aziziye, and Toprakkale. Ten
soldiers would guard each one. They attacked to
these barracks and slaughtered the soldiers like
sheep by cutting their throats off. Ali Cavus, our
neighbour, was also slained there. While our weak
militia were digging trenches to trying to fight,
the Armenians made holes in the walls and were
firing shots with machine guns, pouring cans of
kerosene, lighting fires, and escaping through the
deep tunnels. This brutal attack lasted 29 days.
The decision of retreat was finally made so that
the Muslim population would not suffer any more
deaths. Those with carts used them; those without
them were under desperate conditions, but we all
joined the exodus. People left their children on
the roads, others died from hunger and disease.
It should be remembered that the Armenians not only
committed large massacres in Van, but in the
villages as well. The homes in the villages of
Timar, Bakale, and Özalp were stuffed with hay and
set on fire. Those that tried to escape were
killed with bullets and bayonets. The inhabitants
of a few villages in Zeve got organized and fought
against the Armenians, but almost all of them
-from seven different villages- were killed. Mass
graves are still being uncovered in these villages
and a memorial was built.
Eight of the twelve ships carried the Muslim
refugees from Van, four ships carried government
employees and their families. All the sailors
aboard the vessels were Armenians. The Armenian
bandits by the help of these sailors, forced the
four government employee boats to dock at the Adir
Island, and killed all the passengers. As to the
remaining other eight boats they were taken to
another island near Tatvan where Armenian bandits
were waiting, but they managed to escape with few
casualties because they were armed.
When we left Van, we first went to Bitlis, and
later to Diyarbakir. We witnessed the Armenian
savagery along the way. Finally, I will tell you
about what we saw and heard upon returning to Van.
The Armenians applied all types of torture to the
inhabitants, God bless their souls. They paraded
Isa Hodja, who was over 100 years old, on a donkey
through the village, raided and looted homes, and
gathered women and girls into Mr. Ziya's home where
they repeatedly raped them. They threw the bodies
of the dead into wells, and even filled the well
of our mosque with the bodies of victims.
When General Cevdet entered Van for the first time,
he asked the gendarmes to escort 130 women, whose
husbands were at the front, to Diyarbakir. They
were in bad situation in Van because they did not
have any transportation. About 30 of them stayed in
our house. They spun wool to survive. They were
also given military rations. They told us that
there was no end to the torture and cruelties they
suffered at the hands of the Armenian bandits. The
Armenians skinned the men, castrated them, and
raped the women.
We returned to Van four years later. In the
beginning we stayed two years, but were forced to
flee again when the Russians arrived. This time we
went as far as we could go. Finally we arrived to
Siirt. When we returned, 200-250 Armenian families
were seeking refuge on the Carpanak Island. They
were hoping that the Turks would leave, and that
they would resettle in Van. Most of them were
artisans. A short time later, a new decree was
issued, and they were sent to Revan under the
protection of the government. However, Van was
raided seven times by the enemy, was completely
destroyed except for the Armenian quarters. We
rebuilt the city afterwards.
signed on Sunday, the 09. of June 2002 at 11:41:05
Zero, your nickname is very appropriate. Just like the other turk's nick name Suli the Big Shit. You guys are doing much more for the Armenian cause then any other Armenian on this Board. I'm eternally grateful for that to you.
About backstabbing. I know that your history books are too tin. There is not much you can describe as turkish or as turkish achievment. I will just point out that when Bolsheviks were advancing towards Yerevan in 1920, your grandfathers backstabbed us.
About the Genocide Recognition:
It is knocking on the door of every European Country. That means that soon or later you should take a deep breath and face the reality which is not pleasant to you. If you believe that you can enter in Europe by the back door (so typical for your race) you are deeply mistaken.
Eternally yours Turkoyebach Kazakian (a.k.a. Nemesis)!
signed on Saturday, the 08. of June 2002 at 15:44:55
did any1 miss me?? just back from hoLiday..and thought that some1 missed meee.. maaannnnnnnnnnn
you were deported.becoz u were backstabbin'..that was a response..migration/genocide was just a response!u must accept that u were backstabberS!
all ya do is to butter Russia up..becoz u dont count on yourseLves..if ya had dared,you wouLdnt have rushed to Azerbaijan..you wouLd have attacked to Turkey..
aLso every1 knows ur education in 1989s..u were just suckers when u got independent from russia.u had no education,law,health...
take care
BaNu
Ps: ata,u shouldnt have given up!!!
steve,dont make us miss you :) but do
know that im here!
[PS]: ''If Armenia wanted to be an independent
country and hoped to stand for years,they
wouLd have given up thier same traditional
thoughts''
1989 (Armenian NatioNaL Organization)
(taken from Libaridian)
i hope u understand what tha sentence means!!
and now..2002..u must still change ur thoughts
man..still..!!
signed on Saturday, the 08. of June 2002 at 13:56:52
My apology if I offended any good Turks; I pressed submit before realising what I had written. So I took the time to write out the reactions from different types of Turks when the words Armenian Genocide are dropped as I have experience living in Little Turkey most of my life:
1. The innocent uneducated Turk who knows nothing about Armenians:
- will immediately begin to cry, apologise, repent and forever turn his/her back against the Turkish government. This Turk will be respected and loved by Armenians.
- will spit in your face and never forgive you.
2. The innocent uneducated Turk who knows little or much about the Armenian Genocide:
- has already cried a lot, has repented, hates his/her government, is ready to give everything back to the Armenians and is desperately waiting for the day he/she can meet an Armenian to apologise to. When this Turk finds such an Armenian, they will immediately become friends.
- has already spat in your name and has already decided to never forgive you and possibly even slaughter you if you ever cross his/her path.
3. The innocent educated Turk who knows nothing about Armenians:
- will immediately begin to cry, apologise, repent and forever turn his/her back against the Turkish government. This Turk will probably either end up hiding in exile or forever tortured and locked up in a prison in Turkey. He/She will forever be respected and honoured by Armenians.
- will spit in your face, never forgive you and turn either into a Grey Wolf or a government controlled denialist.
4. The innocent educated Turk who knows little or much about the Armenian Genocide:
- has already cried, apologised, repented and forever turned his/her back against the Turkish government. This Turk has probably already either ended up hiding in exile or is forever being tortured and locked up in a prison in Turkey. He/She is already being respected and honoured by Armenians.
- has already spat in your name, decided to never forgive you and has probably turned into a Grey Wolf or a government controlled denialist:
A. The government controlled Turkish denialist:
- firmly believes whatever his/her government says is true.
- knows the Armenian Genocide is true, knows he/she's a denialist, knows he/she's been hired to do the job, this Turk travels the world trying to convince people that the Armenian Genocide is a lie. He/She meets with journalists, professors, scholar around the world, offers them large sums of money to omit Armenia and Armenians as much as possible. It's the same Turk who poses as a friend of Armenians, poses as a businessman or highly educated professor, he/she'll rub his/her degrees in your face and tell you he/she's married to a Spaniard hoping to prove his/her tolerance of Christians. If that isn't enough to convince you, he/she'll mention that he/she is part Armenian, part Greek, part Assyrian and part Turkish without realising that these minorities don't voluntarily assimilate, not even with each other. He/She will try to make you feel sorry for him/her by telling you he/she has children, young children, who will never know their diplomat grandfather because he was murdered by Armenian terrorists in Paris in 1982. He/She will go on by saying that Armenians constantly threaten him/her, especially because of his/her close contacts with other Armenians. He/She will finish the argument by telling you that he/she has no interest in politics and history. This Turk infiltrates our sites, drops provocative comments, minimises and revises the Armenian Genocide and uses phrases like "My Armenian friends know my exact feelings about 1915, but I don't have to share that with you". This Turk ruthlessly never apologises, never repents, never admits his/her true profession and never realises that by existing he/she is a disgrace to the Turkish nation. This is the same Turk who will be the first to go down when judgement day comes.
Patel: Indian men ARE the sexiest! Good luck conquering the world! An Indian Nationalist any day before a Turkish denialist! Please do spare us though. We CAN help you.
signed on Friday, the 07. of June 2002 at 09:18:45
i come to see all oof you agaiin.
Why i dont see for the long time the greece poeple. Were are all of the turkye boys. why only 3 armaniens. This is your webarea,is it not?
ah,a armaniee female has writin. You are sure to be tried of those armaniee boys,yes? Yyou want to trie real INDIAN man.Remenber that the INDIAN man is very stronng and is goodlookking.We have the atomic bumb, you have nothing.We are not afraid of the pakistan,or any of you. You must bow to every INDIAN man,soon to seee my bum.
My riting no so ggd now,bscauuse i just come back from the party.
Yess.THe INDIA always will be there . Your countres , we INDIa will own all you peopLE.
you CAn do nothing to step it.
It is me, B.Patel
signed on Thursday, the 06. of June 2002 at 20:31:50
To all Armenians who disregard Turks as equal,
As an Armenian who has lived in Holland most of her life, I have only this to say: the Armenians of Glendale strongly resemble the Turks of Holland. It's a shame to see so many Turkified Armenians in this guestbook when it is precisely dedicated to reviving and keeping the Armenian culture alive. Sadly these Armenians are once again as intolerant and belligerent as they have always been.
To Steve (Sado the Masochist),
You still quote yourself, even though everyone in the world knows you and your sponsors have NO credibility. Where do Turks still find the guts to deny the Armenian genocide??? Some people in this guestbook claimed that Armenia would go down with its corruption. Armenia has ALWAYS been corrupt! But for the last 1600 years it has managed to keep the same alphabet (re: St Mesrop on this site)! Turks never even invented their own alphabet! Armenians called themselves Hai before anyone knew they existed. Ottomans started calling themselves Turks after the Sultans deeply embarrassed them. My point is: instead of minimising Morgenthau and the like, get real and start thinking of a new name for Turks, because recognition of the genocide is around the corner dear friend!
signed on Thursday, the 06. of June 2002 at 13:53:47
Oh you parasite filthy turk. I can only imagin how dirty you want to get.
The filthy turks who have NO credibility at all, speak about the Morgenthau. According to this moron, the turks represent the world and the american ambassador to turkey was a man of no credibility. What makes me laugh the most is the fact that the filthy turks says that Morgenthau never spent a day away from Constontinople. ha ha
What kind of a moron would say such things if not the parasite turks? Just the fact that he spok with the bloody Talaat and Talaat told him that "after what we have done to the armenians there would never be friendship between us" say more then anyting else. And of course, on the top of all that, you didn't make a comment about what the British, the German, the French (etc.) representatives have said about the armenian genocide. Whey do you cut corners? Are you scared of the truth? BTW, President Bush didn't spend a day in Afghanistan too and he still fights the same terrorists that the turks were supporting. Does this mean he knows nothing about the word affairs?
And yes...as for Cher, she is an armenian who went to armenia in the days when the genocidal azeri-turks, the afghan mujahedis, and the checen and arabs terrorists were in a war with the armenians. If you want to paint a picture for us that Cher went to armenian after the earthquake because she was sorry for what had happened then you have fialed. Besied, her personal life has nothing to do with her being an armenian and well respected singer. She is not the first and the last armenian singer who is respected by the world. One of the best russian, persian, french, polish, american (etc.) singers are of an armenian origin. There are only 8-9 million of us in the whole world and look how much we have accomplished. You on the other hand, are still the same bloody bastards that you were centuries ago.
and before i forget, if I, Nemesis, and Hayk are that bad, then why the hell do you spend countless hours in this site with us. Don't you have a life on your own. How much are you paid by the turkish government to post in here? Don't you see that you look more like a clown then an agent?
Go back and read your own posts. You do make people to laugh on you, can't you see that. In all you posts you have gotten personal with everyone who didn't agree with you. You have lied and you were proven wrong time after time...
Hall of Fame
Dr. Raymond Damadian
Inventor of MRI diagnosis machine. With this invention millions of people are saved from death.
Hall of Shame
Enver Pasha
A bloody, genocidal turk
signed on Thursday, the 06. of June 2002 at 12:15:18
This mutant organism below learned one or two things from me.
Now I have to teach him how to commit sepuko, so that the world may be relieved of one turk less.
signed on Tuesday, the 04. of June 2002 at 19:13:07
Truth,
You still quote from Morgenthau, even though everyone in the world knows he has NO credibility
(remember, he NEVER left Istanbul and relied on his Armenian staff for information and all transmissions; also he had some sort of personal vendeta against the Turks (to this day no one knows what it was)). So, you're just wasting your time quoting him.
Truth, have you gotten into Nemesis's dildo collection again? You know that you shouldn't be playing with those without one of your adults on hand to show you how. There, you see, you've gone and hurt yourself again, that's why you're soooo irritable these days. But hey, don't sweat it. The world understands.
As for Cher being on your wall of fame, you might want to go back and read the times that she has been interviewed about her true feelings about her being half Armenian. As you know, she's half Cherokee Indian and half Armenian. She had always hated her father because of his C2H5OH abuse, and the beatings he gave to her mother and to her. She never liked her Armenian side (at one point she even hated to admit to it). It wasn't until the earthquake that she really began to learn a little bit more about her heritage. She collected money and went to Yerevan in person to help out. To this day, she still prefers to be associated with her Indian half, although she has come to terms with her other half. She's been married quite a few times. She has to deal with her lesbian daughter (Chastity), as well as her own drug problems. She certainly does have a lot on her mind, that's for sure.
I'm going to take a break from this site for a while. I've got business that must take me out of the country for some time. But don't worry, I'll be back.
Ata, good luck to you mi amigo. Zero, it looks like you'll be on your own for a while. Take care man.
As to the three stooges, play nice! Just because I'm not physically here in the states doesn't mean that I can't still monitor you from my lap top. So, be good. Your MASTER could be watching at any time. If you're all nice, then when I get back, I'll give each of you a cookie.
Bye for now,
Steve
signed on Tuesday, the 04. of June 2002 at 15:34:25
you claimed that the turks don't destroy any churches...and when proven otherwise, now you want to make a personal issue out of this shamefull act of the turkish government???
shame on you
signed on Tuesday, the 04. of June 2002 at 13:42:02
Get lost you rejected bastard from the hell.
signed on Monday, the 03. of June 2002 at 09:44:40
To Nemesis
You are living in a dream.Time to wake up
To Truth
Sorry,armenians are not heroes.
To Hayk
Really don't know what can I say to you
And to Steve and Zero,
I'm glad to meet you.Call me if you come to Ankara.(Also,3 guys above)
We are doing nothing except swearing to each other.Nobody will accept anything.So, no need to spend time in here.
Bye guys
Regards,
Ata
signed on Monday, the 03. of June 2002 at 05:20:52
hey, ata-dog, lets return to what Hayk has started regarding the Hall of Fame Vs Hall of Shame
Hall of Fame
Cher(Cherylin Sarkissian)
Hall of Shame
Talaat Pasha
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 22:16:17
This one is for the sick ata-god who has a hard time with reading.
"When James G. Bennett, American newspaper man and publisher of the New York Herald, became skeptical of the veracity of reports on the 1894-96 massacres, generally described as examples of unparalleled savagery, he previled upon Sultan Abdul Hamit to obtain permission to have the story of the massacres impartially investigated by a team. A member of this team was American author and Civil War observer George Hepworth, who also described himself as having a "rather keen appetite for facts." With a retinue of Turkish military officials, including a colonel, a lieutenant colonel, a secretary, and a bodyguard, the team proceeded to the sites of atrocities and conducted a two-month investigation. In 1898 Hepworth summed up his finding and in doing so HE PROGNOSTICATED NERLY TWO FULL DECADES BEFORE ITS ACTUAL INCIDENCE-THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE:
"DURING MY TRAVEL IN ARMENIA I HAVE BEEN MORE AND MORE DEEPLY CONVINCED THAT THE FUTURE OF THE ARMENIANS IS EXTREMELY CLOUDED. IT MAY BE THAT THE HAND OF THE TURKS WILL BE HELD BACK BHROUGH FEAR OF EUROPE BUT I AM SURE THAT THE OBJECT OF THE TURK IS EXTERMINATION, AND THAT HE WILL PURSUE THAT END IF THE OPPORTUNITY OFFERS. HE HAS ALREADY COME VERY NEAR TO ITS ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THE ARMENAINS OF TODAY ARE IN IMPOVERISHED PEOPLE, HOPLESS AND IN DESPAIR."
"In 1915 the Turkish government began and ruthlessly carried out the infamous general massacre and deportation of Armenians in Asia Minor...There is no reasonable doubt that the crimes was planned and executed for political reasons. The opportunity presented itself for clearing Turkish soil of a Christian race."
Winston Churchill "The World Crisis: The Aftermath" (1929) pg. 405
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you filthy turk, can't you see now what the people said about the armenain genocide before and after it accured? how much more do you need to educate the people of the world who recognize the turkish crimes against humanity. do you truly belive that the world is made of idiots who will be brainwashed by your fabricated stories? i have quoted all non-armenian sourses. i have only told about the word of the most famous people. can't you see that all of them say the same thing in different times...? do you see anyone of them saying anything about who started it first? was there ever a question about who started it first? the bloody turks have massacred innocent, unarmed people and there was never a chance for any one of them to stand up against and ordinary army. you have lost the war to the europeans. you have gone hysterical and started to kill unarmed people with a hope "to clear the turkis soil from the Christian race". hey, i love to see you suffer. the good thing is...now you accept that there was an armenain genocide. in the near future you will apologize who what has happened to the armenans and at the same time you will be forced to apologize for trying to rewrite the history with your fairy tales.
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 22:09:55
U.S. MEDIA COVERAGE OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
Government Sends Plea for Armenia October 5, 1915 The New York Times
800,000 Armenians Counted Destroyed Octover 7, 1915 The New York Times
Sends $100,000 to Aid Armenian Regugees October 9, 1915 The New York Times
Spare Armenians, Pope Asks Sultan October 11, 1915 The New York Times
Turkish Official Denies Atrocities October 15, 1915 The New York Times
The Assination of a Race October 18, 1915 The Independent
Turkey Bars Red Cross October 19, 1915 The New York Times
Only 200,000 Armenians Left in Turkey October 22, 1915 The New York Times
Germany Says She Cannot Stop Turks October 22, 1915 The New York Times
Who Can Save Armenia? October 30, 1915 Literary Digest
Aid to Armenians Blocked by Turkey November 1, 1915 The New York Times
and much more will come...
"During the night, between April 23 and 24, 1915, the Constantinople police broke into the homes of the Armenian elite in the city. Two hundred thirty-five Armenian leaders-politicians, writers, educators, lawyers, etc.-were taken to the police station and then deported. Several hundred others were taken in the days that followed. Elimination of its leadership left the Armenian community confused, fearful, and unable to offer resistance to the Turks. This patern, eliminating the leadership first, repeated itself in the six eastern provinces where most of the Armenian population was concentrated, and in Cilicia. Thus, April 24 symbolizes for the Armenians the beginning of the genocide, and thereafter has become the annual memorial day of the Armenian genocide."
Yair Auron "The Banality of Indifference"
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 21:43:24
steve, you are a son of a bitch, a filthy turk and the lowest of all. if you read my post, i said lets assume morgenthau is a sick man like this parasite, sick turks, who calles himself steve, paints his picture in such a way. if you have problems with reading, then how the fuck do you expect us to take you serious. you are just bunch of sick motherfuckin turks who will pay for all your genocidal acts.
i have some of morgenthaus words for you and your kind of motherfuckin turks will come to accept the truth that morgenthau told about the armenian genocide.
"The Armenian problem, like most race problems, was the result of centuries of ill-treatment and injustice. There could be only one solution for it, the creation of an orderly system of government, in which all citizens were to be treated upon an equality, and in which all offenses were to be punished as the acts of individuals and not as of people. I argued (with Talaat) for a long time along these and similar lines.
"It is not use for you to argue," Talaat answered, "we have already disposed of three quarters of the Armenians; there are none at all left in Bitlis, Van, and Arzeroum. The hatred between the Turks and the Armenians is now so intense that we have got to finist with them. If we don't, they will plan their revenge."
"If you are not influenced by human considerations," I replied, "think of the material loss. These people are your business men. They control many of your industries. They are very large tax-payers. What would become of your commercially without them?"
"We care nothing about the commercial loss," replied Talaat. "We have figured all that out and we know that it will not exceed five million pounds. We don't worry about that. I have asked you to come here so as to let you know that our Armenian policy is absolutely fixed and that noting can change it. We will not have the Armenains anywhere in Anatolia. They can live in the desert but nowhere else."
I still attempted to persuade Talaat that the treatment of the Armenians were destroying Turkey in the eyes of the world, and that his country would never be able to recover from this infamy.
"You are making a terrible mistake," I said, and I repeated the statement three times.
"Yes, we may make mistakes," he replied, "but" -and he firmly closed his lips and shook his head-"we never regret."
I had many talks with Talaat on the Armenains, but I never succeeded in moving him to the slightest degree. He always came back to the points which he had made in this interview. He was very willing to grant any request I made in behalf of the Americans or even of the French and English, but I could obtain no general concessions for the Armenians. He seemed to me always to have the deepest personal feelings in this matter, and his antagnism to the Armenians seemed to increase as their sufferings increased.
One day, discussing a particular Armenian, I told Talaat that he was mistaken in regarding this man as an enemy of the Turks; that in reality he was their friend.
"NO ARMENIAN," replied Talaat, "CAN BE OUR FRIEND AFTER WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO THEM."
One day Talaat made what was perhaps the most astonishing request I had ever heard. The New York Life Insurance Company and the Equitable Life of New York had for years done considerable business among the Armenians. The extent to which this people insured their lives was merely another indication of their thrifty habits.
"I FISH," Talaat now said, "THAT YOU WOULD GET THE AMERICAN LIFE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO SEND US A COMPLETE LIST OF THEIR ARMENIAN POLICY HOLDERS. THEY ARE PRACTICALLY ALL DEAD NOW AND HAVE LEFT NO HAIRS TO COLLECT THE MONEY. IT OF COURSE ALL ESCHEATS TO THE STATE. THE GOVERNMENT IS THE BENEFICIARY NOW. WILL YOU DO SO?"
This was amost too much, and I lost my temper.
"YOU WILL GET NO SUCH LIST FROM ME," I said, and I got up and left him.
Henry Morgenthau-U.S. Ambassador to Turkey
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 21:14:31
Ata,
I told you to spent more on education. Turkey has never ever won a war. You won battles, Yes. But you have NEVER won a war. Neither the Balkan war, Nor The First Great War, nor the WWII.
Not to speak about Russo-Turkish wars which were kind of "walk in the park", except the last one in 1877 when Russians were about to enter Constantinople and only thanks to your British Friends you were spared from total destruction.
Don't worry. We will take our chances when the time comes.
Regards
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 20:32:22
Turkish barbarism started on the first day your miserable livestock copulating ancestors set foot in Caucasus. That was in 11 century. Since then the world is not the same .
Individual acts of revenge do not constitute Genocide. They are acts of despaired people who lost their families and possessions.
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 20:23:31
Truth,
I can't believe it!! Have you Armenians no shame?!! Sorry, that truly was a stupid question, wasn't it?! The answer, of course, is obvious.
In one breath, you proudly state the words of Mr. Morgenthau. Then, after I tore apart your argument and refuted his writings, you do a 180 degree turn and refute him yourself, saying that he was a sick person and a f***ing zionist. Now, you're right back quoting him again. You're either the biggest hypocrite in the world, or you're the stupidest. Hell, in your case, what's the difference!
As for you Nemesis. Who the hell do you think you are? What could your tiny mind know about Cyprus? Only what the Greeks told you? Were you there? Did you lose any family members there? I did!! My aunt, her husband (a doctor), and her three children lived in Famagusta, Cyprus. In Feb. of 1965, her husband was called away to make a house call. While he was gone, several men came into her home, took her into their bedroom, raped her savagely, then finished her off with clubs and knives. They herded two of the three children into the bathroom (the ten year old was able to escape prior to his mother's murder, but was a living witness none the less). There they got them into the bathtub and, using machineguns, slaughtered them. They were only five and seven years old! The ten year old was able to get to the police (made up of mostly Greek-Cypriots) and recount what had happened. He was able to identify most of the murders. They were all members of the EOKA-B (Makarios's squad of terrorist assassins). The police conducted an "investigation". Do you know what became of the case? Yeah, you guessed it...NOTHING!!! No arrests were made (even though a positive I.D. was made on them). A year later, two of the killers were seen roaming the streets of Athens.
Cypriot Turks were treated as second class citizens by the Greek Cypriots from 1960 (independence from The U.K.) to 1974 (when they were liberated). The Greeks committed so many atrocities there that the world may never know the exact numbers. The greeks, on their diasopora websites, shamelessly post photo's of mass grave sites of "greek" villagers uncovered after the 1974 liberation. They claim that the Turkish soldiers did it. These EXACT same photo's were published, after being uncovered and shown to be Turkish-Cypriots (their hands bound) that were rounded up and executed, by numerous international magazines and newspapers (i.e. MATCH, LE FIGARO, TIME, The NEW YORK TIMES, DIE WELT, LE MONDE, DER BUND, NEWSWEEK, AP/UPI, etc.).
Eyewitness accounts and interviews from the survivors of the town were done by the press. When confronted by the tons of evidence of massacres committed by these butchers, and documented proof of the Akritas Plan, Greek Cypriots can give no response. What can they say when the evidence from the whole world is brought before their eyes? Yet, they go around saying that they were the poor, innocent victims. Sound familiar? So, in this instance, keep your mouth shut, for you could know nothing about it!! Only what your handlers (the Greeks) tell you. You're just a follower, like the rest of your ilk. You'll never become anything more than that, EVER!!! You and your kind disgust me!! I need to take a break from you three stooges for a day or so. I'm not sure if I like you that much anymore.
But I'll still try to help you save your soul.
Ata and Zero, hang in there guys. Don't give up!
You know that you have the truth and, soon, justice on your side. They are frightened and worried and are begining to unravel. Keep up the pressure and watch them self destruct.
Regards,
Steve
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 20:00:20
Thanks Nemesis, I know that page already.
I told you that don't post stories about armenians.Your little brains don't understand this.I read most of them and most of them are true.But the fact is WHO BEGAN MASSACRES FÝRST.You know the answer well.
Also, the armenian and greek lobies will use their force for recognization of so-called genocides in different assemblies.Do you really believe that they know anything about so-called genocide or where armenia is?ONLY HÝSTORIANS STATEMENTS ARE ÝMPORTANT.SO DON'T TELL ME THE NAMES OF ASSEMBLÝES WHÝCH RECOGNÝZED YOUR SO-CALLED GENOCÝDE.
Truth.My stories are not fabricated.You will accept this soon.If you don't believe, you can come and speak with survivors who are still alive.
In terms of civilian and military losses, the wars fought in the east between 1914 and 1920 were among the worst in history. The result of Ottoman weakness, Russian imperialism, European meddling and Armenian revolutionary nationalism was widespread devastation. After the wars, cities such as Van, Bitlis, Bayezit and Erzincan were largely rubble. Thousands of villages were destroyed. Approximately 2 million Turks and 700,000 Armenians were dead. The Armenians, who revolted to gain a nation, were left with a Soviet Republic in which they were not their own masters. The Turks, who ultimately won the wars, were left with a country in ruins. (Prof. Justin McCarthy, Death and Exile; The Ethnic Cleansing of Ottoman Muslims, 1821 to 1922)
Regards,
Ata
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 15:49:27
Nemesis,
the sone of a turk calling himself steve is a turkis agent. You think an ordinary citizen would spend counless hours to speak a shit like that? The turks know that their days are counted and in a near futur they will be called to a court. This is their last chance to save their face and that is why they act in such a hysterical way. Can't you see how desperate these filthy leftovers are? Those are the specialist the turkish government promised to create in order to fight the Armenians, the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Kurds, the Arabs, the Persians, the Europeans in general...and of course, the turks who one by one start to recognize the crimes commited by the barbarians. The victory is close and I salue you for the job you do. May the God's blessing be with you and all the other peace loving people.
BTW, the Crist said love you enemy and not the evil that the enemy would do to you. So when this filty turk who happens to be a muslim starts to preach us about our religious values, he must simply be ignored. Remember, the dog that serves to two masters, at the end betrays bolt of them.
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 15:05:57
U.S. MEDIA COVERAGE OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
Appeal to the Turks to Stop Massacres April 28, 1915 The New York Times
Morgenthau Intercedes April 29, 1915 The New York Times
6,000 Armenians Killed May 17, 1915 The New York Times
Allies to Punish Turks Who Murder May 24, 1915 The New York Times
Wholesale Massacres of Armenians by Turks July 29, 1915 The New York Times
Report Turks Shot Women and Chidren August 4, 1915 the New York Times
Armenians are sent to Perish in Desert August 18, 1915 The New York Times
Burn 1,000 Armenians August 20, 1915 The New York Times
Turks Depopulate Towns of Armenians August 27, 1915 The New York Times
1,500.000 Armenians Starve September 5, 1915 The New York Times
Answer Morgenthau by Hanging Armenians September 16, 1915 The New York Times
Mission Board Told of Turkish Horrors September 17, 1915
500,000 Armenians Said to Have Perished September 24, 1915 The New York Times
The Depopulation of Armenia September 27, 1915 The Independent
Armenian Women Put up at Action September 29, 1915 The New York Times
Armenian Officials Murdered by Turks September 30, 1915 The New York Times
Annihilation of Armenians Threatened October 2, 1915 The Survey
Death of the Armenian People October 2, 1915 Literary Digest
and much more to come...
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 14:49:15
This is my speacial present to Ata,(not sure about the spelling), Suli and the rest of misguided turks out there.
Enjoy:http://www.geocities.com/discover_turkey/
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 14:47:52
To Suli (the strive to be a man),
It is very interesting why this turk has changed his allies name. Probably he was reading some uncensored by the Fascist Turkish Government reading on History.
Suleiman the Magnificent (nickname “Magnificent” for leading barbaric turkish hordes against the holly Cross and destroying centuries long cultural heritage of the civilized world).
So Suli the son of a turk.
First, Civilized world has nothing to do with your ancestors and with your persona. Sub-humans like you simply doesn’t qualify. The only reason why your existence was tolerated was your geographical location. I’m sure that your shallow brain can understand the motives behind that. For the last 90 years you were the “spoiled child” of the West. Whenever the Russians, and even Armenians by themselves reached out to overthrow the abusive turkish yoke your Western patrons guarded your inhuman Government. They were closing their eyes for your misbehavior just to make sure that their backs would be safe.
But times have changed and unfortunately you are in a loser position. The sooner you realize that the better.
The future of the human society is to move into direction where no one will be excused for crimes against humanity. I can partially excuse your ignorance (although I strongly doubt that you don’t know the facts about Armenian Genocide), for not being able to read the foreign eyewitness accounts(missionaries, doctors, military personnel, etc) Diplomatic sources, and even your own sources and Military court verdicts of your Government against the organizers of the Genocide.
The best prove for your incurable barbarism is the behavior of the turks in general (some of your compatriots admit the wrongdoing of your forefathers) to present day. It is sad but the history of your nation is not one that, one can pride himself. Look back 100 years before the Genocide and you will see the same. Serbian massacres, Greek massacres, 50 years later, Bulgarian massacres and finally Armenian Genocide. Unfortunately the tragedies caused by your kind doesn’t stop here. Pontic Greek Genocide, Assyrian Genocide, Kurd Genoside. I wonder who will be the next.
To answer the question of your Patriarch Mutafian:
First, I hope you realize that he is a doll in the hands of your Government. You guys (i.e. turks residing in the Western Democracy countries have the privilege to express yourselves and even to lie bluntly). Second, the question about Armenian Genocide will shed light about many dirty deeds of then World Powers. Third, in the past 70 years, Communist historians were reluctant to tell the story about Armenian Genocide not to offend the turkish proletariat. Your prostitute politicians were in the bed with Bolsheviks, who were trying to crash Armenian “renegade” capitalists.
The history of the “modern” turkish state is exact replica in 20th century setting of the past “glories” of the Ottomans. Lack of free expression, suppression of the minorities, military coups, killing of kurds, gross violations of the international laws, unfulfilled international pacts, state funded terrorism.
I would suggest to you and to other visitors to check this website: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/7758/
So far this is the most comprehensive list of the crimes against humanity committed by the turks.
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 14:34:33
"In its attempt to carry out its purpose to resolve the Armenain question by the destruction of the Armenian race, the Turkish government has refused to be deterred neither by our representations, nor by those of the American Embassy, nor by th delegate of the Pope, nor by the threats of the Allied Powers, nor in deference to the public opinion of the West representing one-half of the world."
Count Wolff-Metternich
German Ambassador to Turkey - July 10, 1916, cable to the German Chancellor
"No, Armenian," replied Talaat, "can be our friend after what we have done to them."
Henry Morgenthau, Sr. U.S. Ambassador to Turkey
"Most of the Armenian men who had until then served as combat soldiers were sent to the Sinai Desert in platoons to build roads and railways tracks in order to open transportation through the desert. Without clothing, poor supplies or no supplies at all, limited food, without proper sanitary conditions, all this quickly decimated some battalions by 30%. There were days in which tens and even hundreds of men would die in a single day. A typhoid fever epidemic ravaged them. By the end of March there was, in effect, no longer a single labor batallion in the desert.
An order then arrived from above to Islamize the Armenains. The task was assigned to the local commanders who managed to convert a not inconsiderable number of Armenians, by threats and sometimes bribery. In some stations there were big conversion and circumcision festivities. In the hospital which I administrated I myself was forced to conduct these operations on approximately twenty men.
Dr. Moshe Kriegel"
Yair Auron "The Banality of Indifference
"Let me relate a single episode which is contained in one of the reports of our consuls and which now forms part of the records of the American State Department, Early in July, 2,000 Armenian "ameles"-such is the Turkish word for soldier's who have been reduced to workmen-were sent from Harpoot to build poads...practically every man of these 2,000 was massacred, and his body thrown into a cave. A few, escaped, and it was from these that news of the massacre reached the world. A few days afterward another 2,000 soldiers were sent to Diarbekir. The only purpose of sending these men out in the open country was that they might be massacred. In order that they might have no strength to resist or to escape by flight, these poor creatures were systematically starved. Government agents went ahead on the road, notifying the Kurds that the caravan was approaching and ordering them to do their congenial duty. Not only did the Kurdish tribesmen pour down from teh mountains upon this starved and weakened regiment, but the Kurdish women came with butcher's knives in order that they might gain that merit in Allah's eyes that comes from killing a Christian. These massacres were not isolated happenings; I could detail many more episodes just as horrible as the one related above; throughout the Turkish Empire a systematic attempt was made to kill all able-bodies men, not only for the purpose of removing all males who might propagate a new generation of Armenians, but for the purpose of rendering the weaker part of the population an easy prey."
U.S. Ambassador Morgenthau
"When James G. Bennett, American newspaper man and publisher of the New York Herald, became skeptical of the veracity of reports on the 1894-96 massacres, generally described as examples of unparalleled savagery, he previled upon Sultan Abdul Hamit to obtain permission to have the story of the massacres impartially investigated by a team. A member of this team was American author and Civil War observer George Hepworth, who also described himself as having a "rather keen appetite for facts." With a retinue of Turkish military officials, including a colonel, a lieutenant colonel, a secretary, and a bodyguard, the team proceeded to the sites of atrocities and conducted a two-month investigation. In 1898 Hepworth summed up his finding and in doing so he prognosticated nearly two full decades before its actual incidence-the Armenian genocide:
"During my travel in Armenia I have been more and more deeply convinced that the tuture of the Armenians is extremely clouded. It may be that the hand of the Turks will be held back through fear of Europe but I am sure that the object of the Turk is extermination, and that he will pursue that end if the opportunity offers. He has already come very near to its accomplishment for the Armenains of today are in impoverished people, hopeless and in despair."
"In 1915 the Turkish government began and ruthlessly carried out the infamous general massacre and deportation of Armenians in Asia Minor...There is no reasonable doubt that the crimes was planned and executed for political reasons. The opportunity presented itself for clearing Turkish soil of a Christian race."
Winston Churchill "The World Crisis: The Aftermath" (1929) pg. 405
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While the world talks about the Armenian-Genocide, the filthy turks want to stand on the same ground with the civilized world and have their fairy tales to be heard. While the world demands from the barbarian turks to pay for what they did to the unarmed womean, and children, the filthy turks blame the victims for what has happened to them. If the fools believe the wold is made of idiots and their lies will be taken for a serious, then they will be left with a heart broken in the near future. Coutries one after another, international organizations one after another are recognizing the Armenian genocide. While the parasite turks play cat and mouse, only last week the state of New York has officialy recognized the Greek genocide. The turks can keep couple of shamless so-called historian on their paylist, but they can never change the colors of the truth painted with facts and told by much more intelligent people long before these fake historians were even born. If the turks want to major in minor thing and have our attention switched from the main issue, then they are mistaken. No one cares about their fabricated stories. No one gives a f*** about how loud the turks will yell. The facts speak louder and they will never be defeated by turkish way of designed lies. I feel sorry for these morons who are here with their last chance of trying to save their face. The film "Ararat" is soon to be out and the parasite turks are gone hysterical. Hey ata-dog, got any more grandpa---grandma [fabricated] stories to tell??? Moron, don't you see that you look more like a clown then a serious man with some standards?
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 14:29:44
AND SOME RECOLLECTÝONS OF TURKISH SURVIVORS
Armenian Atrocities & Terrorism
The testimonies of those who were interviewed by the team of researchers show that Armenian and Muslim communities lived on relatively good terms and peacefully until the Armenian revolutionary organizations began their rebellion against the Ottoman government and started their collaboration with the Russians. As Haci Zekeriya Koç, born and raised in a village called Ayanis near Van, recalls:
"When the Armenian incidents broke out we were in our village, Ayanis. Zeve, Mollakasim and Ayanis were the villages in the region inhabited entirely by Muslims. There were five or ten Armenian homes in the other villages. Before these problems broke out, we had excellent relations with the Armenians. We got along particularly well with Armenian-inhabited Alakoy. We would invite each other to banquets, and there were no hostilities between us."
Others, such as Bekir Yöruk, who was born in Van in 1900, express a similar view:
"We lived in the same neighborhoods as the Armenians. We too livedin the Norsin neighborhood and got along well until the Russians intervened."
However, once the political agitation by the Armenian revolutionary and terrorist organizations began in earnest in early 1915, violence and bloodshed replaced these peaceful relations after the Armenians began attacking civilian Muslim communities. The eyewitness testimonies of the victims of these Armenian attacks underscore a systematic policy of ethnic cleansing that is reminiscent of the horrors that were inflicted on the Bosnian Muslims by the Serb extremists in the 1990's: Massacres of entire villages, indiscriminate killing of the old and the young, brutalization and rape of women, burning and destruction of mosques, and forced expulsion of people from their villages. The atrocities committed by the Armenians in and around Van and Bitlis during 1915-16, for example, are vividly recalled by those who managed to save their lives. Sait Aldanmaz, who was born in Bitlis in 1900, remembers:
"With my own eyes I saw an Armenian poke a dagger into a woman's stomach and pull out her child. They killed 15-20 people with bayonets in my neighborhood of Ersan. When the Russians arrived, the Armenians helped them . . . . Among the ruins of every home, in the fields, and in the farms were the bodies killed with the Armenians' bayonets. We applied for permission to bury them. The soldiers dug ditches and the bodies were buried there."
Ibrahim Sargin who lived in the village of Zeve near Van was 11 years old when he witnessed the destruction of his community by the Armenians:
. . . The village was burning . . . The Armenians were throwing small children in the air and piercing them with bayonets or sticking them in the stomach with bayonets. The children let out shrill cries and fell to the ground like baby birds . . . They captured Corporal Seyyat alive, laid him on the ground, undressed him, and skinned him alive. They also carved out his shoulders and carved into his sides, taunting him by saying that Sultan Resat promoted him and gave him a medal. The Armenians also set fire to the grass and threw some of our women and children into the fire and burned them alive. They sliced the throats of the rest of the survivors as if they were sacrificial lambs . . . After massacring the entire village, they killed the five most attractive women: my cousin Seher, Esma, the headman's wife, a distant relative Hayriye, my Aunt Ayse, and Gullu."
The savagery and brutality that was inflicted on the innocent villagers by the Armenian rebels in 1915 in Van's villages was also recalled by Bekir Yöruk:
". . . My uncle, his family and children, were cut into pieces with a hatchet under the mulberry tree in our neighborhood. They [Armenians] massacred all those that stayed behind when we left . . . They killed whomever they could corner. They killed them and threw them into the lake or into the fire. For example, a woman was baking bread in a nearby village, and had her young child at her side. The Armenians went into her backyard and asked her what she was doing. When she answered that she was baking bread, they insisted she needed a kebab as well, and pierced her child and threw him into the fire and burned him alive."
Mehmet Hatunoglu similarly lived to tell the horrors that he witnessed as a child:
"I can't tell you what I saw, it was so hideous. They [Armenians] planted a stake every fifty meters on the Pulur (now Çinarli neighborhood) and Ercis-Egans road, and impaled the elderly taken from the mosques on these stakes. They all died in a pool of blood. Then we went into the large Çavusoglu barn, and saw people sliced up and laying in blood, most of whom were relatives or people we knew. They were beaten and killed with axes, shovels, and cleavers. They placed a basket over the head of Haydar Imam, and impaled him.
According to the recollections of the victims, rape of Muslim women and young girls was widely practiced by the Armenians to terrorize the civilian population. Haci Sait Aldanmaz, born in Bitlis in 1902, remembers a particularly horrible incident:
"The Armenians were committing atrocities [in Bitlis] before the Russian invasion as well, but after the occupation, the crimes accelerated. As far as I remember, 9 year old Hatice who lived in the Hersan neighborhood was taken from her mother's arms by the Armenians, who viciously raped her without reference to the fact that she was a child. Hako was the Armenian who took this child from her mother and raped her."
Thousands of those who managed to escape the Armenian violence were uprooted from their villages and became refugees. Those who escaped from Van, Bitlis, or Kars were forced to travel very long distances to safety under the most difficult conditions. Many of them died on the way from hunger and disease, but some managed to survive. As a child, Bekir Yöruk witnessed the suffering of Turks who escaped from Van in 1915 and became refugees:
"We left before the Russians arrived. There were about 250 in our group, and 60 died. Some died at the hands of the Armenian bandits, others from cholera, disease, and hunger . . . The women couldn't take care of the children. Hunger and disease were rampant."
Kadriye Duran, the daughter of Hamit and Nigar Duran, was ten years old when she was uprooted from her village called Kavunlu near Van by the Armenians and became a refugee:
"We were going towards Edremit when the Armenians raided Van. The city was burning . . . We reached Edremit, but they raided that too. We went from there to Bitlis to Siirt, to Diyarbakir, and then to Siverek. We stayed there three years. There were eight people in our family who became refugees. On the way, my brother Ali was captured. The rest died on the road. Only my mother and I were able to return to Van. We weren't the only ones affected. The inhabitants of Van, Edremit, and Van's Muslim villages all became refugees. Those that didn't run were killed at the hands of the enemy, while most of those that got away died on the road."
While most of the people who were interviewed talked about the horrible events that they witnessed in Armenian attacks on Muslim citizens, some also mentioned a few brave Armenians who ventured to help them. Cevahir Kokum, born and raised in Bitlis, remembers one:
"My deceased grandmother would always talk about an Armenian called Manik. When talking about him, she would also pray in thanks for all that he had done. Manik worked as a servant for Haci Yusufzade. This Armenian saved my grandmother and her other relatives from the Armenian massacres . . . Manik would leave in the day, and return at nightfall with all of the bread, sugar, and other food supplies he could find. When we asked why he was doing this, he replied that he could not betray us after eating our bread for so many years. One day Manik came to us excitedly and said that the Russians had emptied the city, and that it was not right for him to stay after everything that the Armenians had done, and that he would emigrate to Russia with the rest of the Armenians . . . Manik left, but we did not forget him or what he did."
The recollections of those who were interviewed show, once again, that explanations of the events that took place in eastern Anatolia during World War I with reference to an alleged "genocide" committed by the Turks against the Armenians are gross distortions of the historical record. Descriptions and analyses of this period that do not take into consideration the aims, methods, and ultimate objectives of the Armenian revolutionary and terrorist organizations, especially their systematic use of violence against innocent Muslim civilians and the havoc they brought on to Muslim communities, do not reflect historical accuracy and objectivity. Similarly, any description of this turbulent period has to take into account not just what the Armenians had to endure but also the plight and suffering of the Empire's Muslim population as well. Moreover, the tragic developments that cost the lives of millions of people on both sides during 1915-21 have to be viewed in the context of great power rivalries in the region, Russia's efforts to use the Armenians in its expansionist policies vis-a-vis the Ottoman Empire and the fateful decision of the Armenian organizations to collaborate with the Russians. To describe the tragic events during World War I that claimed the lives of both Armenians and Turks as a pre-meditated and planned "genocide" perpetrated by Ottoman authorities against the Armenians simply is a gross distortion of historical facts.
NOT ENOUGH YET?
PS:AND DO NOT POST HISTORIES ABOUT ARMENÝANS.BECAUSE YOU BEGAN THE MASSACRE AND WE CONTÝNUED.AND I SAID MASSACRE NOT GENOCIDE.
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 12:10:53
Yeah,you are emigrated from Anatolia without any reasonable cause.....Ha ha ha....May I show you some?
Armenian Atrocities & Terrorism
The recollections of Armenians who lived through the ethnic warfare and conflict that raged through eastern Anatolia and the Caucasus from 1915 to 1921 have been frequently used by Armenian writers and propagandists to illustrate that a "genocide" was perpetrated against the Armenians by the Turks. The heartbreaking stories of Armenian "survivors" are often presented as part of the proof that the Ottoman authorities engaged in a systematic destruction of the Empire's Armenian citizenry. These stories have also become a major and potent source for indoctrinating younger generations of Armenians in this country into believing that a horrible crime was committed against their ancestors and that they should forever hate and despise the Turks and seek revenge against them for the events that took place more than 80 years ago. These themes and messages are repeated in countless books, essays, novels, poems, and plays that focus on the experiences and recollections of those Armenians who survived the ravages of war and famine that took place in eastern Anatolia and the Caucasus during and immediately after World War I.
Reading the standard Armenian interpretations of the events surrounding World War I, or those written by the supporters of the Armenian views, one would have no idea that more than a million Muslims, the majority of them Turks, also lost their lives in intercommunal fighting, and that another 900,000 became refugees in eastern Anatolia during 1914-21. According to careful and detailed analysis of historical statistics and records, the ethnic warfare that engulfed the Armenian, Turkish, and Kurdish communities led to drastic losses of the Muslim population in major eastern Anatolian cities: For example, the Muslim population of Van decreased by 62 percent, that of Bitlis and Erzurum by 42 percent and 31 percent, respectively.1 Eyewitness accounts and reports show that the majority of the Turks and other Muslims who lost their lives were killed by bands of Armenian irregulars or by Armenians serving in the Russian army. The massacres committed by the Armenians indiscriminately targeted men, women, and children, and they involved gruesome methods that were intended to spread terror among the innocent civilians and cause total physical destruction of their communitites. The methods, scope, and the impact of the ethnic cleansing strategy used by the Armenian revolutionary groups were witnessed and recorded by numerous non-Turkish and independent observers. For example, Captain Emory Niles and Mr. Arthur Sutherland, two Americans who investigated the conditions in eastern Anatolia for the U.S. government, reported:
"In this entire region, [Region from Bitlis to Van to Beyazit], we were informed that the damage and destruction that had been done by the Armenians, who, after the Russians retired, remained in occupation of the country, and who, when the Turkish army advanced, destroyed eveything belonging to the Musulmans. Moreover, the Armenians are accused of having committed murder, rape, arson, and horrible atrocities of every description upon the Musulman population. At first we were most incredulous of these stories, but we finally came to believe them, since the testimony was absolutely unanimous and was corroborated by material evidence. For instance, the only quarters left at all intact in the cities of Bitlis and Van are the Armenian quarters, as was evidenced by churches and inscriptions on the houses, while the Musulman quarters were completely destroyed. Villages said to have been Armenian were still standing, whereas Musulman villages were completely destroyed."2
The atrocities committed by the Armenians against the Turks had begun before the Ottoman government's decision in late May 1915 to deport Armenians from eastern provinces. However, their intensity and scope increased vastly during the latter part of the decade. Reports sent by the Ottoman officials in Van, Bitlis, Erzurum, and other eastern provinces to Istanbul describe in detail the massacres that were carried out by the Armenians.3 What took place in Van following the rebellion by the Armenians in March 1915 was typical of many towns and villages in eastern Anatolia:
"The stories told by Muslim villagers were all much the same. When the Armenians attacked Muslims' own villages or nearby villages, Muslims fled with whatever moveable property they could carry. On the road, Armenian bandits first robbed them, then raped many of the women and killed many of the men. Usually, but not always, a number of women and young children were killed as well. The surviving villagers were then left to travel to safety if they could, without food or adequate clothing. The villagers were unable to defend themselves either in their homes or on the road because most young Muslim males had been conscripted. Only very old and very young males and women were left. Armenian bands, however, were made up of young males who had never been drafted, were deserters from the Ottoman army, or had come from the Caucasus."4
Despite overwhelming historical evidence, the plight and suffering of the Turks and other Muslim communities in eastern Anatolia and the Caucasus have received far less attention than that experienced by the Armenians. By talking only about the Armenian "survivors" of an alleged "genocide" perpetrated by the Ottoman government, Armenian writers and propagandists, along with their sympathizers, have managed to disseminate the misperception that it was only the Armenians who were killed, tortured, and forced to flee from their traditional homelands. The success of the Armenian propagandists in perpetuating the myth of "genocide" has led many Americans to overlook the fact that more than a million Muslims also lost their lives and close to a million became refugees.
Several factors have been responsible for the silence about the plight of the Turkish victims of Armenian atrocities. The most important has been the historical prejudice and bias in the West against the Turks and Muslims in general which led many to view only the Armenians as the victims and to ignore the calamity that fell on the non-Christian populations of the Empire. This traditional one-sided and biased perception was bolstered in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by the reports of the Christian missionaries, sent to the region mostly from the United States, whose religious zeal and anti-Muslim world view precluded objectivity in dealing with the causes and consequences of the rising ethnic and religious tensions in the Ottoman Empire.5 Another reason is that unlike their Armenian counterparts, the Muslim survivors of the violence that gripped eastern Anatolia had no chance to make their voices heard in the West, especially in the United States. Many Armenians who survived World War I and immigrated to this country succeeded in telling their recollections and stories to sympathetic audiences. More importantly, their children and grandchildren went to some of the best American universities. These second and third generation Armenians - novelists, professors, poets, playwrights - then became articulate spokespeople for their grandparents and parents. By contrast, few, if any, of the Muslim survivors immigrated to the United States after World War I to tell their recollections of the horrors they lived through at the hands of the Armenians. The majority of the Turks who survived the violence of 1915-21 continued to live as simple peasants and villagers in some of Turkey's least developed regions. Consequently, they had no means to influence American public opinion through books, "oral history" programs in universities or media appearances. Although their travails and horrible experiences are well-known and still remembered in their small villages or towns, as a trip to eastern Turkey today will readily show, they have remained largely unknown to the rest of the world.
While the Armenians have continued to clamor for an apology from Turkey, they have shown no inclination whatsoever to express any regret or remorse for millions of Muslims who were either killed or forced to become refugees in eastern Anatolia during 1915-21. Characteristically, Armenian writers and propagandists either completely ignore the killings of innocent Muslim men, women, and children, or come up with superfluous explanations. The following statement by Dennis Papazian, Director of the Armenian Research Center at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, is typical of the Armenian attitude:
"The Turks died unfortunately because their own government led them into World War I against the European allies. Many Turkish Muslims also died fighting Arab Muslims . . . and Indian Muslims who were with the British Middle East army in Mesopotamia. All this Muslim blood, then, is on the head of the Ottoman Turkish government and not on the victimized and helpless Armenians."6
Papazian's argument is not only a blatant distortion of historical facts, but defies logic as well: How could anyone account for the massacres of more than a million Muslims in eastern Anatolia, in places such as Van, Bitlis, or Erzurum, with the Arab-Ottoman or British-Ottoman war campaigns that took place in Iraq, Syria, or Yemen? And how is it possible, indeed, for the so-called "helpless" Armenians to slaughter entire village communities, brutalize their victims, rape women, and bring about so much havoc and destruction? Papazian clearly fits into the category of Armenian-American historians whose writings have been described by the British historian Gwynne Dyer as representing "capering caricatures of the historical method" which reflect "the deafening drumbeat of the propaganda, and the sheer lack of sophistication in argument which comes from preaching decade after decade to a convinced and emotionally committed audience."7
In addition to official Ottoman records and reports prepared by Western observers, there is much information about the intensity and scope of Armenian atrocities in the recollections of some of the Muslims who survived the ethnic warfare in eastern Anatolia. By now, the majority of the victims of Armenian violence have passed away without, unfortunately, having had a chance to talk about their experiences to scholars, writers, and journalists. Only a handful of them are alive today and they are in the very late stages of their lives. An effort-albeit belatedly-was made by a team of researchers led by Professor Azmi Suslu in the early 1980's to interview some of the survivors in Van, Kars, Bitlis, and Mus. These interviews, together with the photographs of the individuals who were interviewed, were published in Turkish as Van, Bitlis, Mus, ve Kars'taki Ermeni Katliamlarž, Gazilerle Mulakat Van Yuzuncu Yžl Universitesi Rektorlugu Yayinlari, No. 8 Ankara, 1994.
IS THIS REASONABLE ENOUGH?
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 12:01:36
Truth,
If you didn't like my refutation of your own source "Ambassador Henry Morgenthau", why did you list him in the first place (your May 31st post)?
As usual, you throw out "sources" that have already been refuted by the entire civilized world long ago. If you would like to know more about your source, may I suggest the following:
The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau's Story,
by Heath W. Lowry (Isis Press, New York, 1990).
You now mention a quote from Adolf Hitler in reference to the Armenians. Let's now get to the truth, shall we.
Hitler did not refer to the Armenians in plotting the Final Solution (as many armenians believe);
the infamous quote is fraudulent. All sources attribute the alleged quote, "Who remembers the Armenians?" to a November 24, 1945 Times of London article, "Nazi Germany's Road to War." The
article's un-named author says Hitler uttered the phrase in an address on August 22, 1939 at Obersalzburg. The Times of London author claims the speech was introduced as evidence during the November 23, 1945 session of the Nuremberg Tribunal. Yet, the Nuremberg transcripts do not contain the alleged quote.
In actuallity, the quote first appeared in a 1942 book by Louis Lochner, the AP's (AP was short for Associated Press) Berlin bureau chief during World War II. Lochner, like the Times of London author, never disclosed his source. The Nuremberg Tribunal examined, and then rejected, Lochner's third-hand version of Hitler's address. Instead, it entered into evidence two official versions of the August 22, 1939 address found in captured German military records. Neither document contains any reference to Armenians, nor, in fact, do they refer to the Jews. Hitler's address was an anti-Polish invective, delivered years before he even conceived of the Final Solution. This can be sourced from the following:
The U.S. Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians, by heath W. Lowry (Vol. 3, no. 2, Political Communication and Persuasion, 1985).
So much for that. Next!
Hi Nemesis. I still like you. Write to me.
Regards,
Steve
signed on Sunday, the 02. of June 2002 at 06:19:19
Armenian Genocide is a historical fact. Turks are barbaric animals and that is why they deny that fact. All Diplomatic sources, including of their then allies reported the same. Murder and massacre. And we all know that pretty well by the stories of our relatives who managed to survive. Turks will pay dear price for the Genocide and for their denial.
To the super Islamic educated turk with the Christian name:
Listen Dummy,
The last Armenian Kingdom felt in 1395. Your relatives in so-called turkey are temporary guests there. You don't belong there. You are people with no land.
signed on Saturday, the 01. of June 2002 at 16:39:48
"In 1915 the Turkish government began and ruthlessly carried out the infamous general massacre and deportation of Armenians in Asia Minor...There is no reasonable doubt that the crime was planned and executed for political reasons. The opportunity presented itself for clearing Turkish soil of a Christian race."
Winston Churchill, excerpt from "The World Crisis: The Aftermath" (1929) pg. 405
"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939, justifying his invasion of Poland to his military high command
"THE ASSOCIATION OF MOUNT ARARAT AND NOAH, THE STAUNCH CHRISTIANS WHO WERE MASSACRED PERIODICALLY BY THE MOHAMMEDAN TURKS, AND THE SUNDAY SCHOOL COLLECTIONS OVER FIFTY YEARS FOR ALLEVIATING THEIR MISERIES-ALL CUMULATE TO IMPRESS THE NAME ARMENIA ON THE FRONT OF THE AMERICAN MIND."
President Herbert Hoover
The Memoirs of Herbert Hoover, 1952
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HOW COULD ALL THESE SICK PEOPLE LIE THIS MUCH??? WHY IS IT THEY DON'T LIKE THE POOR TURKS??? SHAME ON THEM!!!
signed on Saturday, the 01. of June 2002 at 15:59:17
BTW, did you say mutafyan??? Are you talking about the same mutafyan who was appointed as a so-called relgious leader of the turkish armenains by the turkish government? Whey in the hell did the turkish government forced the other elected leaders to leave their position? Why is your government telling the armenians who sould be their religious leader?
Oh, i forgot. Who the hell am I to say something about the poor turks. As if your imported problems aren't enough, now this one adds to the long list of accusations!?!
Also, who was that fuckin zionist you were mentioning in your last post. Weren't the zionist the one who forced president Wilson to enter into the war against Germany and to back up from the idea of creating [Willsonian] Armenia? Yeah, yeah...Henry Morgenthau was a jew too, but he wasn't a sick zionist who was ready to kill millions of innocent people. Just befor America entered the war, all american newspapers were talking about how good the germans were. When the zionists came to power, the entire america changed its position regarding most of the issues. Do you see now where the problems starts? BTW, where did you get that information about the so-called american ambassador??? I still have to read the entire message.
signed on Saturday, the 01. of June 2002 at 15:43:01
As always, anyone who talks about the genocidal turks is a racists, uneducated moron. So lets assume what the parasite turk says about Henry Horgenthau is correct. He was a sick man who for some reason didn't like the turks.
Now lets see what the French ambassador Paul Cambon had to say about the same issue that Henry Morgenthau [yet] had to learn
In a 20 February 1894 report to Paris entitled Expose historique de la question armenieene, the veteran French ambassador Paul Cambo traced the genesis of the "Armenian question" to what he considered to be the provocative ill-will of Turkish authorities. He wrote:
"A high-ranking Turkish official told me, 'the Armenian question does not exist but we shall create it'."
Well, lets say this French ambassador Paul Cambon was a moron too. I wonder what the sick turks now got to say about the Greek and the Assyrian genocides. Hey, what about the Kruds??? You still kill them, don't you? But waith, i forgot that you are turks and all the problems you have are imported and the poor turks are only victimized by the sick people of the world. You see, when the azeri-turks were killing the armenians in Baku, Sumgait, Shushi, and Kirovabad, the armenians were collecting signatures so they could send them to Moscow and ask the pro-azeri "poliburo" to come and once again punish the poor turks. Isn't that right? When the turk scientists were working miracles, the sick kurks started to attack the poor turks and kill them by hundreds of thousands, right? After sending american and european taxpayers money to turkey, for sone reason the turks started to become more and more uneducated and poor. How do these filth people of the world dare to send money to turkey? Why can't they just leave you alone? Whey can't the sick armenains, the greeks, the assyrians, the kurds and the all other europeans, the arabas, the iranians just go away and free you from all your problems?
The hell with the world we live in, huh? For some reason all these sick people of the world don't like the poor turks and you are left with nothing but to explain them your version of the truth.
So many questions and not a single answer. May God have mercy and give more power to the turks against the sick people of the world.
signed on Saturday, the 01. of June 2002 at 15:24:10
To Truth,
As usual, your ranting and raving have come up short again. You bring up U.S. Ambassador Henry Morgenthau (please note spelling). This "evidence"
is of long diminished value, having been derived from dubious and prejudicial sources, long ago refuted by world oppinion as being worthless.
Ambassador Morgenthau visited the Ottoman Empire with political, not humanitarian aims. His correspondence with President Woodrow Wilson reveals his intent was to uncover, or manufacture, news that would goad the U.S. into
joining the war. Given that motive, Morgenthau sought to malign the Ottoman Empire, an enemy of the Triple Entente. Remember, this man NEVER left Istanbul the whole time that he was there. Morgenthau's research and reporting relied, in large part, on politically motivated Armenians (his primary aid, TRANSLATOR, and confidant was Arshag Schmavonian; his secretary was Hagop Andonian). He relied totally on these two staff personnel for all information and transmissions.
Morgenthau openly professed that the Turks were an inferior race and possessed "inferior blood". As anyone can see, his accounts can hardly be considered objective.
Now, compare Morgenthau's war-time writings to the post-war writings of Rear Admiral Mark L. Bristol, U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Turkey
(1920-1926). In a March 28, 1921 letter he writes, "[R]eports are freely being circulated in the United States that the Turks massacred thousands of Armenians in the Caucasus. Such reports are repeated so many times it makes my blood boil. The Near East Relief have the reports from Yarrow and our own American people which show absolutely that such Armenian reports are absolutely false. The circulation of such false reports in the United States, without refutation, is an outrage and is certainly doing the Armenians more harm than good. ...Why not tell the truth about the Armenians in every way?".
So much for that. Next!
The religious leader of Turkish Armenians Patriarch Mutafyan (in reference to the recent problems being caused, and the propaganda being circulated, by the Armenians) said "Where were these men until years and know trying to demolish
our friendship now without any solid reason".
Mutafyan goes on to say that they are comfortable
and living in peace in Turkey.
If the Turks had acted as racist, radical islamists, barbarians, since 1071, how is it possible that a single Armenian was living in Turkey?
Well, I have to go for now. Talk to you again soon.
Steve
signed on Saturday, the 01. of June 2002 at 14:44:07
my friend Nemesis,
why dont u come and protect your churches?how long have ya been thought that we're faithfuL?you say that turks have to be faithfuL..u are so explotiative man..its seLfishness.if anyone heard what ya said,he would think that there are no churches in turkey.
about bein' european.man,its a truth that we were about to be in EU.but greece didnt want us to join.but therearemanyreasons aLso.our ecenomy is awfuL!!(thats why we want to join EU,to make our economy well as other countries do)its one of tha main reasons!aLso i remind you that we were invited to EU many years ago(you can research it!!) but we didnt join! now we dont care about EU!!! apart from EU,we are both european and asian! so i dont want u to worry about us anymore!!
truthh,
u r talkin' about genocide aLL tha time.. man wat bout YOUR Russia's genocide?they deported Circassian many years ago..they forced them to get on to tha ships.and they were sent to turkey on bLAck Sea.about %70 of them passed away during the voyage! onLy the rest of them could reach! wat are ya thinkin' of it.. i suggest you that you must think of your nation's and your aLLies' fauLts before claimin' sth about turks.
azeri people were armed and armenians were armed aLso.they killed each other.and moskowa government who wanted the war end up forced azeri people get away from armenia and armenians get away from azerbayjan.u are not pure aLso!
pS:iadmitthat we arent so pure.but if u were sensibLE,ya shouLd have admitted you're not pure!
taKe caRe aLL ;)
BaNu
signed on Saturday, the 01. of June 2002 at 13:38:37
To the Moron called ATA (this was my horse name, by the way),
Listen turk,
You are the biggest terrorist nation in the world. I will refresh you turkish memory.
Do you remember when your cousin Ali Ahmed Agdja tried to assassinate the Pope. Or your f****** t**** memory is too short? How about the bombings in the train "Hemus Express" in Bulgaria in 1984 when 11 people died, a pregnant woman among them.
How about sponsoring Chechen terrorist for bombings in Moscow? Your state is a terrorist state that must be eradicated from the face of the world. Your language should be banned, and the name "turk" and "turkish" should become synonymous of evil and destruction. Turks should be banned from traveling outside of turkey. Wherever you go only problems. Look at what you did to some German towns. As if you are not in Europe but somewhere in your filthy homeland.
Yeah you have 50 000 Armenians in Constantinople and some more Christians, but don't forget that you have around 5 million in Europe and sometimes they are very vulnerable.
Be careful when you are driving Ata, I'm watching you!!!
REgards
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 21:41:37
Just take a look to this filty turk. He claims that the Armenians, the Greeks and the others are as guilty as the turks are. Go fuck your mom you filthy leftover. If you refer to the Armenains and the Greeks who refused to be killed like millions of their brothers and sister, then you are right. A small group of Armenians and Greeks took arms against the genocidal turks after they saw what the barbarians did to their christian brothers. The same happened in WW II when the Jews from all sides took arms against the Nazi Germans. No one yet ever claimed that the victims must never protect themselves because filthy leftovers like the turks would one day claim that we died too. Genocide is a crime against humanity organized by a state against the minorities living withing the borders of the coutry. The U.S. ambassador to turkey Henry Horgenthou called the armenian massacres "The Murder of a Nation". The word genocide itself is created from the studies done about the armenian genocide. Over 2,500 churches were destroyed in turkey in the past 40-50 years. The christians living in turkey live one after another and you are constantly accused of violating the basic human rights. The parasite azeri-turks have massacred thousands of armenians in Shushi, Sumgait, Baku, Kirovabad just before the Karabakh war. Today not a single armenian lives in Nakhijevan which is located within the territory of armenia.
You have a record that you can't run away from. Your history is painted with blood and your kind of sick turks come and tell us some fairy tales. The truth is, no one is perfect, yet the turks are guilty of commiting several crimes against humanity and up to this day they are left without being punished. Thank God russia is getting closer to NATO and the role of turkey is becoming less and less important. Just watch how from now on one european country after another will follow the example of France and Russia. You think the world will let you to get away with destroying 2,500 churches, to force the christians to close their schools...or to just simply kill innocent women and children??? 2,500 churches which were used by the christians for thousands of years don't just get destroyed by a natural cause. With your fairy tales you may fool the brainwashed american airheads but never the europeans or the asians. The people who live with traditons backed with a rich history going back thousands of years, will never be fooled by a fool like you.
You might spend 24 hours a day in this site and post nonsense in a guestbook, but you would never be able to destroy the truth. I feel sorry for you that you have no personal life and you have to spend these many hours a day in a front of a computer instaed of doing something productive. You are just full of a shit. Don't just fool yourself because your days are counted too. No kind of lie did ever survive the judgement of the court.
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 17:15:23
Nemesis,
How is it that you can say that I am the only one that gets personal? I refer you to your own mindless drivel, along with the other two stooges (Truth and Hayk). Scroll down as far as you'd like. Can you find one, or maybe even two, messages that were written to Turks or Azeri's, that did not get personal or have obscenities in them? Now, look at all of my messages. Can you find one that did not have a coherent message or had any vulgarity? I say to all three of you, to your faces...HYPOCRITES!!!
Also, my messages are full of meaning. READ THEM AGAIN!! You're all so brainwashed that you can't see anything beyond your blind hate.
I will ask the question to all three of you once again. Are the Armenians and the Greeks not also guilty of genocide? Yes or No? Can you three honestly sit there (where ever you are) and say that all Armenians and Greeks were as pure as the driven snow? That they never committed any atrocities themselves? To anyone? Answer the question, and don't give me your mindless garbage, mixed in with your denial, feable response this time.
To Ata and Zero, welcome back guys. It's good to
hear from you again.
Take care,
Steve
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 15:32:01
Yeah, it is about time to finish with filthy turks. Once for all. One holly Crusade and Adios turkish smell!
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 13:53:25
To genocidal maniacs = turks!
Why those churches were left without "protection"? Where are the faithful who have to take care of them. They simply decided to "voluntarily" emigrate, or were slaughtered by filthy turks. The pay back time means that, when the time comes you will be invited to go back where you came from - Central Asia. Then, your taliban brothers will welcome you in a turkish way, just like many Bosnian turks and Bulgarian turks were greeted on the border with so-called turkey. Your police and custom officers raped male and women and those actions were called euphemistically "turkish welcome".
The funniest part of your caricature nation and country is that you want to be "Europeans". You will always be third class people, simply because you have sooooooooooooooooo many enemies.
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 13:48:44
Also, we finished PKK,we finished HÝZBULLAH and we finished ASALA(easiest one).So number of the enemies are not important.Because we know how to fight.We don't need your recommendations.And who support terrorists are our enemies.NOT important who they are or how many they are
Regards,
Ata
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 13:46:39
To parasite armenians,
Hýmmmm....Antranik is away.There are only 3 morons who don't worth to spend time.
But, I want to talk about your churches.Yes, there are lots of armenian churches(or what's left) in Turkiye.
Yes,lots of them and they are unclaimed.So without protection they are destroyed by themselves or by the people(mostly kurds) living in that area.Because they are useless.And our goverment don't protect churches if nobody is using them or not important for tourism.Are they important for tourism?Of course, NO.Armenia armenians don't have money to visit and other armenians(real parasites) don't visit them.(Also they don't visit armenia,they only know to speak about so-called genocide, destroyed churches....)
So,you must understand that this churches are not specifically destroyed by our goverment.But, also we don't have money to protect them.Because they don't have any importance for us.But if you have money, you can restore them.There is no problem.
Oh, did I say useless.So sorry.I'm wrong.Some of them are very useful.Kurds are using your churches as barns for their animals.So, don't worry.Cows and sheeps are taking care of your churches.
Regards,
Ata
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 13:23:28
nemesiss whne will this payback time comeee??? .im sorry that i cant hide my excitement.im not patient..
truth 'n othaS..by the way..we dont make tha enemy listt on account of bein bored or havin' fun.. they force us to make that list.. firstLy i must say that i AM NOT against to tha minorities in turkey who want to be independent..its normaL. but i cant bear tha other countries who support these minoriteies ..becoz they mean that ''they are against to turkey' by beahivin' like that.. with no reasonn... its just an ecxcuse for them.. cant the minorities do sth by themselves?? they can do..they can battLee.. they can ragee againstt turkey.. why dont they do this?? they havent got enough power!this is tha main reason!! itaLY,france,germany..they were feedin' PKK... every1 knows this.. but wat happened then??? at the time ÖcaLan went to European countries,he was a troubLe to them.. aLL european countries scared.
on 11th september afgan terrorists attacked to america..then all the european countries ALL SCARED!!! and THEY ACCEPTED TERROR!! AND THEY PUT PKK AS A TERROR ORGANIZATION TO THEIR LISTS!AND WE PUT THA COUTRIES THAT SUPPORTED PKK AT TIMES IN OUR LIST..U UNDERSTAND NOW WHY WE HAVE LOTSA ENEMIES???? i hope ur little brain has taken in!!!!
BANU
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 12:36:34
who is, after all, this sick turk who has taken a role of a god??? he keeps making the same mistake by posting the same message over and over...and at the end, he simply says "I am sorry" ..."I didn't learn it first time"
he hasen't post a single message without getting personal...or if you will, he sees everything with black and white and acts as if he is granted with a right to judge the world. what a sick man he is...
he constantly makes baseless comments without every proving his point [with fracts]
and for now just read his last post...one truly needs to be a moron in order to aloud himself to go down that much. the fool doesn't understand that he only adds more and more enemies to the long list of turkish enemies.
signed on Friday, the 31. of May 2002 at 09:14:41
Turks continue to prove my point that they are imbecil useless nation, which is why they should be treated mercylessly. Check out this!
ANKARA PROCLAIMED 17 INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS ENEMIES
16.05.2002
Ankara have proclaimed the list of international organizations "Turkey's enemies". As "Arminfo" agency reports with reference to "Millet" Turkish newspaper, 17 well known organizations are included in the list. "The black list" was issued after the "Reporters without boarders " international journalist organization published its "list of press enemies in the world" in which the name of the head of the general headquarters of Turkey's armed forces Hussein Kivrikoghlu was mentioned. In response, Ankara prepared its list in which "Reporters without boarders" organization is the first, followed by the following organizations: "Doctors without boarders", "Union of Orthodox churches", "Union of European Churches", "Committee of Assyrian movement", "Helsinki committee" (Denmark), "Group of Kurd relations" (Great Britain), "Armenian cultural center" (Switzerland), "Organization of Kurd consent" (Scandinavian countries), "World federation of mayors" and others. All these organizations, according to Kivrikoghli, assist the terrorist organizations struggling against Turkey's political system.
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 22:03:18
Hey turk....
This is a yellow card!
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 21:50:22
Truth,
If you would scroll down two units, you would see where I say that I had hit submit four times because it was so slow. I went on further to say that I was sorry for the error, that I made a mistake.
From what I have been reading about you three stooges over the past month or so, it's easy to conclude that you are all meant for each other. All three of you (Hayk, Nemesis, and yourself) can be summed up by the following:
1. You are all into beastiallity (since this is a big word, I will tell you it's meaning. It means that you enjoy having sex with animals. You, Truth, enjoy doing it with dogs, amomg other things. You name them after the famous names of your conquerors. As for Nemesis, he enjoys having sex with wild rodents (his favorites are rats and an occaissional Gerbil), while he has steamy sexual fantasies of being in prison with big, strong, sweaty Turkish men, where he becomes their private girlfriend. But, his reasoning is that he is conducting a poll, but we all know the only poll he's interested in is the meaty kind. As for Hayk (the mental midget), he likes to have sex with various crustaceans. He complains about parasites, or he always makes reference to them. We then find out that he suffers from Pediculosis pubis. He gets very excited when I tell him that these are also known as "Crabs". He somehow makes a sexual-parasitic association after I tell him to use Kwell shampoo on his privates to get rid of his infestation, and also to take regular baths, using soap, instead of his yearly baths. He has now made the final association of the parasite to the open ocean, thus his sexual fantasies with "Seafood". Bonne appetite!!
2. You all have a limited vocabulary, predominated by vulgar obscenities, and mindless meanderings of thought and logic.
3. You all evade answering basic questions. The truth frightens you, as does logic, so, you are in constant denial of it. You instead transfer this denial to others, accusing them of refusing to face the truth. In your sick minds, this makes you look big. This is a direct result of your indoctrination (brainwashing).
4. You all turn your back on God! Whenever you speak of wanting to kill us, in reality, you are trying to destroy God himself. How? Since we are all God's children, you have shown your true feelings. The only conclussion that can be drawn from this is that you three are Satan whorshipers.
Now, if we add up all of these salient points, we come upon three, very disturbed, inmates from a mental institution for the criminally insane. I'm surprised that they actually allow the inmates computers to play with. Still, I believe that they are trying to reach out for help, for their lost souls.
Given the above information regarding the three stooges, it is safe to assume that we needn't take anything that they rant and rave about seriously. For...consider the source!!
Best regards to all the normal people on the site,
Steve
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 18:42:28
Truth,
Our turkish guest might have hard time understanding what you are trying to say because they have no word for "shame" in their language. The only language they understand is General Antranig's way. Pay back time will come and we will f*** them in such a way that they will not have memories at all.
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 17:06:51
to the turkish bitch named steve
my dog ata-turk is horny and wants to fuck your mom, fat-ima. no you turkish shit, no one is interested of creating another bastard like you. the dog is just honry and want to fuck a turkish whore.
and as i said in the beginning, you are just a motherfuckin turk who has no shame and no sense of selfrespect. a motherfucker like you who blaimes the victim with a charges of a genocide must never be taken seriously. while the world talks about the genocidal turks, the filthy leftovers make baseless accusations with a hope to stand on the same ground with the civilized world and have their nonsense to be taken seriously.
IQ ZeRo, first you refused to accept that the barbarian turks destroy churches...and when proven othewise, you start to cry like a bitch and claim that you haven't destroyed a church...:)
what more one should say to the filthy turks...you are just the mistake of the God on earth. just take a look to your buddy sulemyman. he posts the same message for several times with a hope that the well documented facts about the genocide will be lost among the other messages. what a shameless bastards you are...you filthy leftovers. shame on you.
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 14:59:07
my reaLstic and truthfuL friend,
u accuse me as though i destroyed a church 2 hours ago.
isnt it nonsensicaL..think 'bout tha future man.
do not be fuddy-duddy pLs!
PS:i didnt destroy!!
BaNu
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 12:08:01
To Everyone,
This took so long to submit, I hit the submit four times. I'm sorry so many of them came out.
Steve
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 08:10:35
Truth,
You're back already? You must have finally made bail! Did you miss us? I noticed that your sentence structure has dramatically improved. I am very proud of you. Soon, you will be able to walk on two feet and become independent. Welcome to the next step of your evolution. What, you ask, would that be? Well, first of all, you stop living in the past. Secondly, you stop making up stories that have already been refuted by the entire world. Thirdly, you stop hiding behind Russia's aprons for protection. Fourthly, you stop being hypocrites and admit that, in the past, your people committed acts of genocide too. They were certainly not pure, innocent babes in the woods. Bring to justice the terrorists that murdered over 70 diplomats and their family members. Then, and ONLY then, will we be able to see that you are truly sincere, and not talking out of your anus. Finally, stop using so much filthy language when you write. Show some class the next time that you write, if that's at all possible. Show the world that you are civilized after all.
HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!!!
Steve
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 08:04:11
Truth,
You're back already? You must have finally made bail! Did you miss us? I noticed that your sentence structure has dramatically improved. I am very proud of you. Soon, you will be able to walk on two feet and become independent. Welcome to the next step of your evolution. What, you ask, would that be? Well, first of all, you stop living in the past. Secondly, you stop making up stories that have already been refuted by the entire world. Thirdly, you stop hiding behind Russia's aprons for protection. Fourthly, you stop being hypocrites and admit that, in the past, your people committed acts of genocide too. They were certainly not pure, innocent babes in the woods. Bring to justice the terrorists that murdered over 70 diplomats and their family members. Then, and ONLY then, will we be able to see that you are truly sincere, and not talking out of your anus. Finally, stop using so much filthy language when you write. Show some class the next time that you write, if that's at all possible. Show the world that you are civilized after all.
HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!!!
Steve
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 07:50:11
Truth,
You're back already? You must have finally made bail! Did you miss us? I noticed that your sentence structure has dramatically improved. I am very proud of you. Soon, you will be able to walk on two feet and become independent. Welcome to the next step of your evolution. What, you ask, would that be? Well, first of all, you stop living in the past. Secondly, you stop making up stories that have already been refuted by the entire world. Thirdly, you stop hiding behind Russia's aprons for protection. Fourthly, you stop being hypocrites and admit that, in the past, your people committed acts of genocide too. They were certainly not pure, innocent babes in the woods. Bring to justice the terrorists that murdered over 70 diplomats and their family members. Then, and ONLY then, will we be able to see that you are truly sincere, and not talking out of your anus. Finally, stop using so much filthy language when you write. Show some class the next time that you write, if that's at all possible. Show the world that you are civilized after all.
HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!!!
Steve
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 07:37:12
Truth,
You're back already? You must have finally made bail! Did you miss us? I noticed that your sentence structure has dramatically improved. I am very proud of you. Soon, you will be able to walk on two feet and become independent. Welcome to the next step of your evolution. What, you ask, would that be? Well, first of all, you stop living in the past. Secondly, you stop making up stories that have already been refuted by the entire world. Thirdly, you stop hiding behind Russia's aprons for protection. Fourthly, you stop being hypocrites and admit that, in the past, your people committed acts of genocide too. They were certainly not pure, innocent babes in the woods. Bring to justice the terrorists that murdered over 70 diplomats and their family members. Then, and ONLY then, will we be able to see that you are truly sincere, and not talking out of your anus. Finally, stop using so much filthy language when you write. Show some class the next time that you write, if that's at all possible. Show the world that you are civilized after all.
HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!!!
Steve
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 07:31:58
Truth,
You're back already? You must have finally made bail! Did you miss us? I noticed that your sentence structure has dramatically improved. I am very proud of you. Soon, you will be able to walk on two feet and become independent. Welcome to the next step of your evolution. What, you ask, would that be? Well, first of all, you stop living in the past. Secondly, you stop making up stories that have already been refuted by the entire world. Thirdly, you stop hiding behind Russia's aprons for protection. Fourthly, you stop being hypocrites and admit that, in the past, your people committed acts of genocide too. They were certainly not pure, innocent babes in the woods. Bring to justice the terrorists that murdered over 70 diplomats and their family members. Then, and ONLY then, will we be able to see that you are truly sincere, and not talking out of your anus. Finally, stop using so much filthy language when you write. Show some class the next time that you write, if that's at all possible. Show the world that you are civilized after all.
HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!!!
Steve
signed on Thursday, the 30. of May 2002 at 07:22:08
CULTURAL GENOCIDE
Parliamentarians of seven countries-Yugoslavia, Norway, Belgium, Greece, Cyprus, Lebanon, and Sweden, signed a resolution of the seminar "Closer Civilizations is a Guarantee of Preservation of Pan-Human Values" containing a demand to the international community to take all measures for the stoppage of the CULTURAL GENOCIDE and destruction of the Armenian cultural heritage in Turkish territory. As is known, the major part of 2,500 Armenian churches have been destroyed in the territory of this country.
The resolution also says that the parliamentarians and other participants in the seminar condemn the manifestations of violance, crulty and genocide of peoples, are going to continue to struggle for the restoration of the rights of all nations and demand that the international community should apply all means for the stoppage of terror against humanity. The issues of the Armenian Genocide and the destruction of monuments of Armenian culture occupy a special place in the resolution. It is pointed out that, in paricular, the recognition of the genocide will serve as minimal moral compensation for its victims, and that respect for freedom and culture of all nations is a corner-stone for the prevention of the repetition of genocide.
In a press conference of April 26, summing up the results of the visit to Armenia, the parliamentarians told about their impressions, the brightest of which was the visit to the Memorial to the Genocide Victims in Tsitsernakaberd.
The parliamentarians from Norway Ask Arenleot pointed out that one of the first persons who raised the Armenian question was Norwegian Fritiof Nansen. He promised to make every effort for Norway to recognize the genocide following the exaple of Sweden and France and that furter cooperation between Norway and Armenia be in the spirit of Nansen.
__________________________________________________________
The well documented facts speak for themselves. We don't need the filthy turks to say what has happened to the armenains and what we can do to stop the barbarians from killing innocent people and destroying churches. With or without a lip service, with or without fairy-tales -told by the turks-, the world is watching and the international community urges the barbarian turks to stop their genocidal acts.
signed on Wednesday, the 29. of May 2002 at 17:01:05
suLeiman... hows it goin? Long timee..
to my dear friend NEmeSis,
hmm i dont agree with you..about our army.. yea we are said to be peniless..and its truee..and we cant spend on military.but our military is good enough i think..its why our army was sent to Afganistan to combat...and u tell a story about the tanks of syria and the navy of russia...man i think u dunno the history exactLy..or u forgot..i think u know tha time after WW1!itaLy,
greece,england,france,armenians occupied all the sides of turKEy..but i dunno wheter there is a country called Turkey or not??u know??? how did we do that? did God heLp us?? or we had beaten them by mistake??? i think u must look into it..
but u r right about the education that we have.its not enough..but i think its not a shame that we 'r tryin to make the education better..but man..its a truth that money talkss!!
another thingg..u said that turks dont care about how they look..reaLLY?? i think ya wouLd liKe ta kiss my arse!!:Pp
to Hayk,,
i dont deny the genocide..im an exception maybe :P but i admit that ottoman did it on purpose..!
about collapsin' the churchess..yeaaaahh mann we love to destroy churches so much that there arent any church in Turkey..and i think u aLso add that turks killed many christians durindestroyin.are ya mad?? every1 knows that when fatih suLtan mehmet counquered ÝstanbuL,he didnt have the churches and sinagogs destroyed..becoz he had a respect... and its still like that.. every1 must be respectfuL to eachother.. and aLso we must..
B.PateL.. ok we LOve INDIA..ok?? i reaLLy like india so muchh.. but i think you had better eat your honey and do sLeep!! :P
anywayyyy...
PS':Ata,eer ermenilerle ilgili tawsiye edebilcein bi kitap warsa mail at.. ben istediim kitaplarýn yayýnewlerini bilmediim için bulamýorum.
bye.take care aLL
BaNu ¤_ZeRo_¤
signed on Wednesday, the 29. of May 2002 at 09:06:28
Well spoken Patel. You have all the right to think the way you do. Yet you forget that the roots of your origin start from the mountens of Ar-arat. The Ar-yans(Indo-European), truly are very beautiful and very creative people.
My good friend Inder who was born and raised in India, looks like a typical Armenian, and of course, on the top of all that, she is a very intelligent lady. Once again you come to prove the fact that the Ar-yans by origin are people of a good nature...If we could only find a way to send this mongolian bastards back to where they came from, with our european, Indian and the Persian brothers we would once again make Mesopotenia the center of the universe.
And this is "The Truth" that we all have to deal with
p.s. We must cut that international walfare system and let the mongolian bastards die. Millions of them are in different European countries who create nothing but trouble. and the republic of turkey is just a disease.
signed on Tuesday, the 28. of May 2002 at 17:52:42
Nemesis,
I feel so sorry for you. You have learned nothing. May God forgive you all!
Steve
signed on Tuesday, the 28. of May 2002 at 17:04:08
To Suli the turk (the irreversible, incurable, insidious, incorrigible) turk,
Listen Moron,
I have a bad news for you. Your efforts were in vain. Scroll down and see my opinion about turks. You (the modern turks) are the same barbarous animals as your forefathers. I really do believe that being a turk is a serious birth defect. If you were at least a iota different from your ancestors, first thing to do would have been to express your apologies for what your nation has done. Instead you came here asking questions about Armenian battalion, conveniently forgetting the pain and suffering your compatriots caused to the world. You are a fanatic islamist , who can only pray and hope for harmony and peace because the times right now are tough for your kind. And besides why should we live in harmony and peace with the evil.
Why should we tolerate injustice. In the name of the harmony and peace? What is peace without justice?
Turkich, I hate you! I have goooooood reason for that!!!
signed on Tuesday, the 28. of May 2002 at 16:11:24
To Mr. Patel,
I don't know what you're trying to accomplish at this site. This is the third site I've seen you in within the last month. I've seen you on a Turkish site and on a Greek site. The only thing was that on the other sites, I recall that you used a different first initial, your last name was the same. I believe that you're the same person. You're style of writing is pretty much the same throughout. Instead of wasting your time here, you may wish to direct you attention to Pakistani or Chinese sites. India's problems are with them, not with any of us. Besides, I think you're someone who just wants attention. If so, then go to an Indian site.
Hayk, I'm not sure what has gotten into you. You're ranting and raving about something. Are you're crabs back again? Did my talking about God set you off? Do yourself a favor Hayk, read how Nemesis and I write to each other. Keep in mind that he is a much better writer than you are. Antranik, of course, has a style that's even better than Nemesis. The more that you insist on writing your way, the more that you prove my point (made in previous letters). You notice that Truth hasn't been on for a while. Why? He probably realized that every time that he wrote something, he just kept proving my point, over and over again. Let's see if you'll change, or will you remain the same old Hayk.
I'll talk to you all later.
Steve
signed on Tuesday, the 28. of May 2002 at 14:40:10
Mr. Hyak,
Good Morning to you sir. i read with graet delite what you write to turkye person. I join you also.
They are wellfair case. Not strong like INDIA. Mr. Hyak, when you finish with turkyr person, you come after INDIA? NO Mr. Hyak. i do not think so.
INDIA has best sientist, very smart. INDIA has best army, very strong . Remember sir, we have Ghurkas. What do you have? We have nuclear bomps, many. We are big country with many poeple to fihte. INDIA man very strong. If we want we can take pakistan, we are not afraid, then persia, then the turkye, then armmenian, then the greece. We can take all of middle est if we want. We only worrie about America, no one else. After INDIA crush you, you must bow to the new master you have now. hahahah. No body has chance against us, not even china. We crush them also. Yes!!
This is B.Patel.
signed on Tuesday, the 28. of May 2002 at 10:28:02
hell i am not gonna play that game...I'll give no excuse to the turks to continue their nonsense. Here is a change i make with seated instead of sited and i'll leave the filthy Steven with no other reason to post any other nonsense. As much as he looks for a chance to get personal with the armenians, his filthy game will have an end right here...and the filthy turk will have no other reason to play cat and mouse.
signed on Tuesday, the 28. of May 2002 at 10:24:20
Poor baby:) how much more are you willing to cry? Why you play the racist card when you know better then anyone else that the turks are worth nothing. You change the names of the cities built by the armenians and the greeks. You destroy the churches[or in the best case you claim an ownership of the churches] built by the armenians and the greeks.
Is it really that hard for you to give us a turkish name that the world can be proud of???
I know you again will avoid answering to my question because you live in a denial. I know you hate to be face to face with the harsh reality and I know you still deny the truth. You are scared to admit that not only you have enemis, but you have created all of them yourself. You are scared to admit that you have done nothing for the best of man-kind ,while at the same time, the small country called armenia has the best educational system in the world(check the CIA fact sheet) and they have one of the best scientists...in fact, only couple of weeks ago the U.S. State Department issued a so-called warning to the scientists who would help Iran to create an atomic bomb. I am sure it's needless to say that you heard the news and you know that the armenian scientists are taken more serously by the State Department than the entire turkish nation. If it wasn't for your geo-political position, the europeans and the americans wouldn't have send you billians of dollors. Like a parasite bitch, you survive on the expense of american and european taxpayers. Do you see now that you are worth noting??? Will you for the God's sake stop the lies and start to create someting...??? I know you have some deep sited complex that will take a time to deal with, but why don't you start now...??? Tomorrow will be just like today and you will always come to us with fairy tales about how great turkey is while your people are still hungry and uneducated. Can't you see the world doesn't buy that trash anymore???
Hall of Fame
Andre Agassi
Hall of Shame
the republic of turkey
signed on Tuesday, the 28. of May 2002 at 08:36:59
Nemesis,
Good to hear from you. Believe it or not, I find this site very interesting. After one cuts through all of the superficial layers of hostility and vulgarity, one actually can see the human being on the other side. In essence, that's really why I'm here. Do you notice the softness in the tone of your last message? I do. You may laugh, but the real you is begining to emerge. You see, I go to different sites to find a common ground were we can all live in harmony. I believe that there's good in everyone. It takes a lot of patience, but ultimately, the person begins to see that there is a good part in him/her. This is God's gift to all of us. It doesn't matter what religion one is, it's the knowledge that God is in all of our hearts. He always was and always will be. The only need for church's, mosque's, synogoug's, temples, etc. is for a gathering of people to celebrate and pass on Gods Laws to the next generation. You don't have to go to a structure to find Him. For He is everywhere, in your home, in your car...everywhere. I don't know, can you see what I'm trying to say? As I said before, I'm not a preacher. I'm not heavily into religion either. I just have this feeling that I have a purpose in life. Now, you can attack me with some obscure historical, or religious point (after all, I am very exposed and vulnerable at this point), but I really don't think that you will. Do you remember all of the things that I wrote to you about in my previous letters (i.e. trying to reach out, etc.)? None of that was BS. It was all from the heart. I think that you can see that now. I don't know...what do you think?
By the way, you still haven't answered my question regarding your response to the Indian guy. What do you mean by 11%?
Take it easy everyone. Later.
Steve
signed on Monday, the 27. of May 2002 at 23:17:49
Suli the Magi efficient turk,
I don’t mind being cited, provided quotation marks are used. I can see that you are faithful reader of this guessbook and some people might be flattered by this very fact. If you continue like this you may invent the wheel.
PS: Don’t talk to servers they won’t respond to you. I still wonder why God was so unfair to your kind?
signed on Monday, the 27. of May 2002 at 22:04:11
To the servers,
Why is it taking so long for my message to be posted?
Steve
signed on Monday, the 27. of May 2002 at 11:29:08
Well, I'm finally back. Got in two hours ago. Boy, am I tired!
Nemesis, how are you doing? I noticed that your letter to me is decently structured. There weren't that many mistakes. You copied it mostly out of a book, verbatim, didn't you? Hey, at least you're trying. How proud I am of you. You are "intellegent" armenian and you can reason. Wow. Does that sound familliar? As for my saying Allah Akbar, it is the same as saying praise the Lord. It means "God is Great". It's my way of expressing my love for God. Do you have a problem with that?!!
There are a few strange people that have logged on. I don't care if any of you out there are gay or not. That's your own business.
As for Mr. Patel, you know, I've got to deal with all kinds of Armenian and Greek fanatics. So now I've got to deal with a fanatical Hindu as well?
How does this site even concern you? Also, Nemesis, what 11% are you referring to?
Ata and Zero, welcome back guys. I hope that you're all well.
Antranik, how are you? I guess that you must be on a business trip like I was. I'll talk to you when you get back.
Well, I'm off to bed. See you all later.
Regards,
Steve (Suleiman the Magnificent)
signed on Monday, the 27. of May 2002 at 11:15:47
I can only hope that Mr. Patel came across this website by accident!
PS: 11% of what you said is true.
signed on Sunday, the 26. of May 2002 at 21:15:30
I am from Madras, India. I live and work in the grand city of New york. I came on to your web site quite by accident. it is interesting. However, i must make a comment. It seems to me that only a certian type of people are writing. As far as i can tell it is a conflict between armmennia, turkye, greece, and someone called aberzani. Allow for me to make things very easy on everypeople. You fight over nothing! Open your eye and you will see the reel power is INDIA. We are bigger than all of you. we are stronger. We produce the smartest sientists in the world. We have nuclear wepons also. India females are the most beutiful in the world! Our army very strong. We can crush you all if we want. your people very pramitive. We are not scared of the pakistan!!! You must all be scared of INDIA! Man from INDIA are more hansome also. More strong and smart also!! You must all bow to INDIA!! INDIA will soon be your masters, everyone.
This is B. Patel
signed on Sunday, the 26. of May 2002 at 20:42:54
You guys are so naive. Do you think that if Russians wanted to invade your so-called Turkey, your army could stop them. 48 hours and you will be a scrap. Syrian tanks from south, Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian motorized divisions from the west, combined with heavy artillery and air attacks, Russian submarines from the Black Sea + some ballistic “surprises”, Armenian “gifts” from the East (gift , means something that makes your breading heavy and in the mean time your house is gone + some very nasty volunteer battalions (me included), Kurdish partisans from inside and…Arivederchi Turkey. Obviously you have no idea with whom you have to deal with. Look at your army against poor trained Kurds. You are so helpless. As I said you are only successful against unarmed people.
The question is why one should do this. To inherit 300% inflation, the biggest national debt in the world, to feed poor turkish peasants…. No way. You are such a bad consumers that even as a market you are not attractive enough. You don’t drink, you don’t smoke, you don’t care about your looks, you don’t buy enough industrial goods. Why should one invade you? To teach you how to plant corps in stony Anatolia?
And one more thing. The people who hate turks (I will tell you a little secret here, - those are not only Armenians and Greeks), hate you not because of your geographical location. It is about time to spend more money on education and hopefully you would find out.
signed on Sunday, the 26. of May 2002 at 00:03:33
HAYK,you are a HALFWIT!!aLso u are a Gasbag taLkin nonsense aLL tha time..im sorry but u r so childish so i dont care what ur sayin..
i have many examples from your nation to tell you..but im not a RACIST like you. yeah u are a racist becoz anybody who hate turkey at least like ataturk becoz he was an idealist.you hate him becoz he was a turk.how fooLish u are.hahaaa!! shame of you..
AtA,
u are right that we have so many enemies owing to our geographical situation.but we dont have to be better in military becoz we are one of the best countries who have a perfect army.but we have some troubLe becoz of our economic crisis now.
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we can attack any countryy..we count on our army.but we dont do this becoz we arent a warlike nation.we only rage against tha terrorism.
signed on Saturday, the 25. of May 2002 at 11:22:54
To Antranik,
Do you know the meaning of help?If you help somebody,you don't want anything for this.They helped us for their benefit as you said.Also we had helped France against Germany and Sweden against Russia for our benefit.Can you tell me a country which didn't take this kind of help?
And there is a big difference between taking this kind of help and being dependent to other countries.Some countries can help us against others,that's good.But if they don't help also there is no problem.We can continue to fight.For an example;at the end of WW1,they gave us a land as small as armenia and our stupid sultan accepted this.Nobody helped us(Yes,Russia gave us a few guns(for their benefit)and muslim Ýndians(today's Pakistan) gave us money(not for their benefit) That's all.)But we fought against them and we took the lands back were Turkish population was greatest in number.(Also some lands where we weren't)As I said,if we take help it is good,but if not no problem.Because we know how to die for this beautiful country.Can you say this for armenian people?Of course,NO.You only know to speak like nemesis.(Eg:Whenever you faced armed armenians you disappeared as a smoke under wind)Ha ha.You don't know how to fight for your land.(if there is any place like that)So you are dependent to other countries.Now Russia then others.
Because we are not dependent to other countries, we have to be strong in military(That's not good but we have to).We have lots of enemies due to our geographic situation.We can fight against Greece because of some islands,against Russia because we are on their way to Mediterranean,and agaist Arabians because of our water sources.Hýmmmm...Our military expenses are large for our economy.But Greece's population is 1/4 of us and they also spend as much as us.(The weapon sellers love Turkiye and Greece very much)
We know that nobody will help us if they don't have any benefit.(Do you think, the west will help us against Greece,Russia or Arabians.So we must be strongest in military,economi,education and politics(Now only in military).
And I was suspicious if you were armenian or not.because you are gentle.But now I'm not.Because only an armenian can say secured-independence by other countries.What kind of independence is it?The independence of a nation,can only be secured by that nation.If not,that's NOT a real independence.
Regards,
Ata
signed on Friday, the 24. of May 2002 at 20:51:06
I'll correct the error before it becomes a mistake ...so i change fa ...to fe
signed on Friday, the 24. of May 2002 at 14:04:59
"IQ ZeRo", the turkish made air-head says "heyyy haykkkkkk u'r my mannn...yeahhh abduLhamit is a big shameeeeeeeeee of us! booh!"
what an IDIOT!!! give me at least one turkish name that the world can be proud of. who else do you have in the list??? if it isn't ataturk, abdul hamid, turgut ozal...and the morons like tham, then who else is famous among you, the turks?
Hall of Fame
Chalres Aznavour
Hall of Shame
Talatt Pasha
signed on Friday, the 24. of May 2002 at 14:00:52
Looks like an interesting site.
signed on Thursday, the 23. of May 2002 at 09:39:38
Steve (Suli the turk),
Since you have changed your tone, I will reward you with a short lecture about your name - Steven or Stephen. Among all of your hollow postings one thing amazed me most. Your shouting at the end of some of your posts " Allah Akbar". It represents sheer inconsistency with the person you are desperately trying to become. So, Steven/Stephen in Latin, Stefan/Stephan in Slavonic, Stepan/Stepanos in ARmenian means first called deacon. In the scriptures we find the following information about him:
Apostles :
"a man full of faith, and of the Holy Ghost" (6:5), "full of grace and fortitude" (6:8);
When Stephen "looking up steadfastly to heaven, saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God", and said: "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God" (7:55), they ran violently upon him (7:56) and cast him out of the city to stone him to death.
"As Stephen was being stoned he could be heard praying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' He fell to his knees and cried out in a loud voice, 'Lord, do not hold this sin against them.' And with that he died." (7:59-60)
I want you to pray like this Steve (Suli the turk)!
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of May 2002 at 20:24:41
heyyy hayykkkkkk u'r my mannn...yeahhh abdüLhamit is a bigg shameeeeeeeeee of us!!!booh!!
to Antranik Ozanian..
umm.. yeah i remember ibrahim paþa now.. ;P in that situatin OttoMan Empire couLdnt defend themselves against Russia becoz they were weakk. they had a good army but the government was not powerfuL.Ottoman EMpire was recedinn..was 'bout to be knocked downn..
u r right..still some countries dont want russia to develop.especially america. at past it was like that..european countries didnt want it. but its no probLem 'bout Turkey becoz turkey has advantages in that ocassion.. !
any country doesnt think of attackin' Turkey.. becoz Turkey reaLLy has an army which is extremeLy powerfuL and has discipline!!! and it is thought to have one of the most powerfuL armies in the worLD..so many countries dont attack Turkey for fear of this..
about deportin'...mann u MAY be right in the one hand..but.. weLL...just think..on the other hand,Turkey has enough bad image in the worLd pubLic in any casee..so it doesnt matter for both the worLd and itseLf..
yahh...after desttoryin' the Janizary in 1826,2.Mahmut formed an army caLLed Asakir-i Mansure-i Muhammediye. it was said to be a marveLLous army.becoz the soLdiers of that army were trained by European teachers in schooLs.but...
actually no opinion about why they couldnt beat the opponents in wars.No reasOn,NO inforMation!!
take care..
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Ps: i think its better and more reasonabLE to discuss than bLAme and swear.onLy dim and narrow minds can think of that way.... i hope that the msg was received..
BaNu
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of May 2002 at 12:16:58
O)UCH THAT MUST HAVE HURT...LOL
HALL OF FAME
HOVHANESS BAGRAMYAN; THE MIKOYAN BROTHERS
HALL OF SHAME
ABDUL HAMID; HEYDAR ALIYEV
oh, oh...before i forget
someone said that the turks might be less civilized than the others, but they still can be called civilized...
well, what can i say. today the turks and their donkies live in the cities built by the armenians and the greeks. VIVA TURKEY:) VIVA CIVILIZATION
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of May 2002 at 08:27:22
HEY BLACK,
LISTEN U RACIST MIXED PIECE OF MUTT BARKING,
I AM AN AMERICAN OF ARMENIAN ORIGIN, FROM VAN
LISTEN WHO EVER WROTE THE UNDER STATEMENT IN MY NAME.PLEASE DO NOT USE MY NAME TO WRITE YOUR OPINIONS, PLEASE DO NOT IMPERSONATE ME U ####ING TURKS.I WILL NOT GIVE UP UNTIL SEA TO SEA ARMENIA .....AND BY THE WAY U TURKS ARE NOT THE BEST ####ERS .I HAD BETTER ONES.
HA HA HA IM GAY AND IM PRAUD OF THAT.
WHAT CAN I DO ,I WAS BORN AS ONE
DEATH TO TURKEY AND ALL TURKS - MAY THEY ALL BURN IN ETERNAL HELL FIRE!
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of May 2002 at 07:01:52
Garegin Dzdeh, there is no way that you are an Armenian, because if you were you would know that it is not Garegin Dzdeh, but Garegin Nzhdeh, the great Armenian freedomfighter. And if you're gay, that's your business and not everyone else's in here. Go find youself a good Turkish boylover.
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of May 2002 at 06:58:43
James Turcunoghian,
WHAT YOU READ WAS UNDER MY NAME BUT IT WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME, SOME TURK IS USING MY NAME TO WRITE HIS OPINIONS.
WHO EVER IS DOING THAT MUST STOP, THIS IS THE PROBLEMS OF TURKS, THEY DONT ACCEPT WHO THEY ARE AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE.WHO EVER IS USING MY NAME SHOULD KNOW THAT ,BEING A GAY IS NOT WRONG.GOD CREATED THREE KIND OF PEOPLE MALE- FEMALE AND THE GAYS .
NOTHING WRONG TO BE ONE..ANYBODY DOSNT LIKE IT CAN KISS MY ASS.
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of May 2002 at 06:54:48
First of all, Lets introduce ourselves. I'm Panicos, and I'm
cypriot and proud. Adrienne is armenian, and proud too!.
Lets start with the basics. You are ####s. All Of You. No
exceptions. Youre dirty, irritating and whores.
You ####s came over to cyprus and took our land, killed our
people and desecrated our churches. Who the #### do you think
you are! Who gives you the right to do any of this? I'll tell
you who, Allah! Well #### him! One day Cyprus will get our Land
back and when we do if there are any Turkish people left I will
personally bend you all over one-by-one and take you so far up
the arse my throbbing dick will come out of your mouths. ####S!!!
You pieces of #### invaded Armenia in 1915 and killed our
people, took our land, but u didnt destroy our pride! We will
get u mother ####ers back. We will get Kharabagh back, and u
turks will pay for everything u have done to us and the rest of
the countries that you have made suffer due to your pathetic
little minds. You Pigs!!!
GAREGIN NZDEH (SEA TO SEA ARMENIA )My friend give me your email .Adrienne is my boyfriend ,we gays to ..
to all our armenian friends
Lots of Love
Panicos -&- Adrienne
x-x-x-x
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of May 2002 at 06:51:39
Dear Antranik,
I can only leave a brief note here tonight. I have to leave early in the morning. How are you?
You're probably right in that there were some cash investments with Krupp armaments during WWII. However, if you read the magazines that I wrote about earlier, they state a number of around 20,000 in the 812th Battalion.
Turkoyebach-Nemesis, I would like you to look at the way that Antranik and I write. Now, compare it to the way that you write (and you write better than Truth or Hayk combined). Can you see the difference? One has an eloquence, whereas the other is maniacal, and at times, borders on the fringes of The Twilight Zone. I bring this to your attention only because if you want to be taken seriously in life, you must show that you truly are a civilized member of this world. Learn from us. I am sure that if you ask Antranik, or myself, we would be more than happy to help you. Remember what I told you before, the more you rant and rave, the more you are really trying to reach out for help. Allah Akbar!
Take care everyone.
Steve
signed on Monday, the 20. of May 2002 at 23:36:00
Zero, very nice! Your on your ballgame with regards to Mohammed Ali who was appointed the Viceroy of Egypt in 1805 and who then became it's ruler. However, the military expeditions against the Wahabis, in the Nejd, and against the Ottomans were led by his son Ibrahim Pasha.
And your right again with regards to the Bosporus. However, why couldn't the Ottomans defend themselves against the Russians? Didn't they have an army strong enough or a population pool large enough in order to build the army they needed? The English and French had to intervene since they couldn't have Russia become too powerful by obtaining ports and gaining leverage in trade routes. They wanted to keep them at bay by maintaining the status quo. In order to do that, they supported Turkey since it served their economic and political needs. If this didn't happen, then Turkey would not exist since Russia would have over run the Ottoman empire. This aid still continues to this day in one form or another since Turkey still serves a purpose.
And as for Mahmud II, at least he tried by destroying what was left of the Janissary's in 1826 and by establishing a modern European Army in 1831. So why didn't these military reforms work in the wars against the Russians and in the Balkans? Was the training not good enough? What makes everybody think that Turkey is strong today? Weapons cannot make up for leadership qualities.
One last thing about the deportations from Istanbul. Yes, Turkey could have deported the Armenians from there but did not in order to maintain it's image in world public opinion. Deporting them would have been more disasterous then what was already happening. It's called damage control.
Antranik
signed on Monday, the 20. of May 2002 at 20:52:38
today...20th may..years ago...Circassians was forced to immigrate to AnatoLia by Russia..they were driven away from their native country!!!!!
%70 of them died in the seaa...durin the voyagee!
... waitin' for your views!
banu
signed on Monday, the 20. of May 2002 at 13:36:43
firstLyy, to ozaniann...
man its a pity that II.MahmuT wanted heLp from england and france..BY the way it was not ibrahim paþa..it was KawaLaLý Mehmet ALi Pasa..they helped to ottoman empire because they didnt want russia to conquer the BosphoruS,iStaNbuL!that was tha reason!
mmm secondLy, had Turkey wanted to deport aLL Armenians,it wouLd have done it..turkey has enough power to do it..
to nemesis.. i think u cant think normaLLy..or you are a jackass that you beLieve in many things that were told you..why dont u come to Turkey and use your eyes??? i dun think that my daddy is a homosexuaL..he doesnt have a moustache.. whoever toLd you this story to you is a pimp that kidded youu .. puhahahha.. --that was the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard!!--moustache hohohohoooooooo :PpP take care..and if you have another stories like that..tell me and i correct it for funn :Pp
take caRee aLL!!!
Banu
signed on Monday, the 20. of May 2002 at 12:03:19
Steve, just before we start, note that I stated earlier that I have not reviewed all of the postings since most of it is junk. If I have avoided something, or if you would like something answered, then let me know and I will have a response. Also note that I may not answer in a timely manner, since like yourself, I travel on business as well. Now, down to business.
Simply put, I did not deny your accusation nor did I endorse it. I simply countered your example of Armenian Nazi collaboration with one of my own which dealt with Turkish Nazi collaboration. To me, a few thousand Armenian collaborators, if there were any, is much better then the entire state of Turkey which collaborated with the Nazi's on the governmental level. Can you refute this? Please counter my point.
To Ata, if Armenia's independence is secured by Russia, then yours is secured by the West. We all know that Turkey went into a state of decline after Suleiman failed to take Vienna. Can you deny that France and England came to your help against Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt in the 1800's and Russia(Crimean wars)during the same time period as well since they wanted to keep the status quo with regards to borders? What do you think the "Sick Man of Europe" actually meant? This aid continues even today, with Military training by the US and the countless loans that you receive by the IMF and the US which you use to increase your military strength. Where do you think that money goes? Into the education you speak of? Of course it does, but not Turkish education. It goes straight into the history revisionists pocketbooks which you then use to deceive people. Seems to me that Turkey fits into your definition of a parasite well. Turkey receives these benefits since it serve's the West, be it strategically or politically. When the time comes the plug will be pulled on Turkey just like it was pulled on Pakistan. We all know what condition the later state is in. Lastly, don't give yourself away since your last statement of "Give your Country to Us" fits our view of the Turkish personality perfectly.
To Zero, the proof you are seeking can be found in the countless archives of your WWI allies as well as eye witness testimonies from the Austrian and German officers which were stationed in the Ottoman Empire. This doesn't include anything from the English, French, Russian and US Sources. Furthermore, take a trip to Syria and go to a few massacre sites where they still find bodies today. You will become a believer. Lastly, all these documents are being put together by Scholars and by Archeological excavations. If Turkey has nothing to hide, then why did they ban Hilmar Kaiser, a German Scholar with a doctorate in History , from reviewing the Turkish Archives with regards to the Armenians?
Lastly the Armenian's in Istanbul wern't forced to immigrate due to the large presence of International bodies there. I assure you that if those organizations were not there then Turkey would have deported them as well.
Antranik
signed on Monday, the 20. of May 2002 at 01:16:36
... the same turkish friend of mine explained to me the phenomenon about turkish mustache. In your twisted culture, if a male doesn't have mustache that means that he is homosexual. Well, the later figured out that, and started wearing mustaches too. Hence, the rat face. Small eyes + ugly face + idiotic looks + hard accent + inability to pronounce the word Sprite (instead he would say "Esprite") = typical turk! Poor Suli.
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 23:04:34
To Suleiman the Homosexual,
Listen stinky turkish fagot! Homesexsualism is one of your achievements in live. Have you seen the movie "Midnight Express"? He, He, ... You are such an incapable "fathers", that you employed Christians all the time to do the dirty job, i.e. to impregnate your mothers. A turkish friend of mine even told me that you have national folklore about that. Kind of " having anal sex is for pleasure, and the rest is for offspring". No doubt you are a nation for pleasure. After all who invented the saying "turkish delight". Most probably some drunk crusader. Or maybe some Serbian haiduk.. Interesting topic.
Suli I'm very tolerant person, but I don't tolerate fagots. Especially those who pretend to be straight in order to look more masculine. Too bad that you have no knowledge about the annals of the anal sex. Actually turkish race is the originator of that kind of love. Undoubtedly, through your inherited homosexsualism you developed very high level of hygiene. "Ibrikchism", in other words washing your a** after going to the toilet was mandatory for your kind, because they (you) have to be ready whenever the "duty" calls, right. Poor American turk. We all know that imbecilism is hereditary, but stupidity might be cured.
I can bet that you reside in certain areas in SF. I can bet double that your trip to Washington was related to satisfying the sexual pleasures of your folks in your embassy.
Wash your mouth before saying something because I can't stand the smell.
Don't be shy Suli the American Turk. Use my first name. Turkoyebach. Is it so difficult to you?
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 22:34:12
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signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 21:17:13
Hello again everone,
To Hayk...Dude, you're back. YOU!!...have an idea! That may not be such a good idea. You shouldn't let your mind wander like that...It's much too small to be let out by itself. By the way, how are the crabs? Did you do like I told you? If you still got parasites on your mind, then the only other suggestion that I can offer you is to take a bath more than once a year (on your birthday). And use soap next time. You'll see a difference, I promise you.
Nemesis (I'm actually begining to like this name), how are you? Don't feel bad about your obvious confusion in regards to your sexuality. Let me try and help you. Going back in the discussion board, we can see that you have been having problems with your hemorrhoids. This has lead you to somehow develop strange sexual fantasies with rodents and possibly other small furry creatures (i.e Gerbils). Then we find that you have a prison sex fantasy that deals with a lot of big Turkish men, and you being their girlfriend. You use a lame excuse to justify your fantasy, such as conducting a poll of some sort. But, in reality, it gives you the justification that you seek to become a transvestite, or, did you want to go all the way, and become a transexual? You can then legally change your name from Nemesis to Norma and truly become what you secretly always wanted to be...The QUEEN of Armenia. Wow!! Royalty. It's no wonder that your butt hurts and you're having hemorrhoidal problems. Man, you're all messed up inside. You're going to have to deal with your latent homosexuality on your own, dude. I am not about to go there.
Hayk, one more thing (if your mind can deal with it). In your wall/hall of shame, will you induct Armenian terrorists that killed over 70 diplomats and their families? How about the brainwashed Dashnak terrorists training in the Bekkah Valley in Lebanon. How many innocent civillians are they programed to kill? The cowards!! Let's not forget your so-called friends, the Greeks. Will you induct the Cypriot EOKA groups? Guys, when are you going to understand that the Greeks do not really like you. They'll work with you, but only as a matter of convenience. They're using you just like the Russians and the Soviets used you. If you don't believe me, go to Greece and ask any greek (don't let them know that you're an Armenian), or come to the US and ask them here. You'll get the same answer, as long as they don't know that you're an armenian. Well, I'm gettig tired. it's off to bed with me.
Aloha,
Steve
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 16:46:53
hey hayK.. onLy a pooR man can say that ATATURK is a symboL of sHame.. if u can say that,u have a big compLeXX!! haha!! :)
to Nemesiss.. why arent u concernin 'bout ur own country's shits?? my government's shit is onLy about me and my nation.i think its better you go through your country's shit!!! ( dont teLL me that u'r PuRE!! :) ) in addition,wat are taLkin 'bout mann?? paybaacKK? haha what paybacK?? whEN will it be reaL??? uhhh.. !!LooK i admit ''that we are tha MaSteR of CreatiN' eNemieS!!! and i hate tryiN' to cLeaN tha shitS of OttoMan EmpiRe that were done in the past!!u r right!!i respect your opinion!!
puhahahhaha u think u Are UsA?? u'LL be watchin' us wherever we go uhauhau..come on,usa couldnt catch uSaME biN LAdin..and u'LL watch us?? ehehe!!
u r so cLEver and imaginative mann!!i think u are wasted here,you shouLd go and work in a work that needs imaginery..for instance.. advertisin' businesss!!???? ^^^recommended^^^^
SuLEymann,im fine after havin a shock in that site..i hope u are ok..take care..
L8rZ aLL..
¤__¤ZeRo¤__¤
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 14:26:25
To nemesis,
you will look for armenia too.They are coming to our country to earn money.But that's not the matter.The fact is the so-called genocide.
And enemies like armenians?It's a joke, isn' it?
To hayk
I will respond all the lies.It is not about the self-respect.And what do you know about Ataturk?
Who is Tigran the great? a)a parasite b)a slave c)two of them
I don't know him.But if he or she is an armenian my answer is c.
I am away for a week, but if you continue to tell lies; I will be back.
Regards,
Ata
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 14:04:36
To ata, turkish delight,
Go to UN webpage and learn the sad facts about your country and don't cry in public, it won't help. The "parasite" Armenians that you are talking about are descendants of those who manage to survive and escape from the mass slaughter organized by your barbaric ancestors. The payback time will come soon. You turks are masters in one thing, - creating enemies. Your bad luck is that you have enemies like the Armenians. May God have mercy for you and your souls. We will chase you to the end, we will monitor your activities everywhere, we will be watching you whatever you do and wherever you go. We will be your darkest shadow, and we will breed in your neck, as usual. Capish, MORON!
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 12:22:52
Do these turks know what self-respect is? My impression is that they have some [deep] complexes...otherwise, a man of self respect would not spend coutless hours in a guestbook trying to prove how educated the turks are.
HEY GUYS!!! I HAVE AN IDEA
Lets create a Hall of Fame ---or in the turkish case that would be a Hall of Shame---and try to find how much each nation has contributed to the constraction of a civilized world.
here are the first couple of names:
Hall of Fame
Tigran the Great
Hall of Shame
Ataturk
any comments???
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 10:31:27
do these turks know what self-respect is? my impression is that they have some [deep] complexes...otherwise, a man of self respect would spend coutless hours in a guestbook trying to prove how educated the turks are.
HEY GUYS!!! I HAVE AN IDEA
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 10:24:57
To parasite armenians,
More than 95% population of Turkiye can read and write.And that 5% part is very old people living in villages.This ratio is 100% under age 45.
Really,where are you taking this numbers from?
2,500,000 armenian population,
1,500,000 dead armenians in so-called genocide
59% can not read
You are only traying to deceive people who doesn't know the matter.
What can parasites do other than this?Doing harm.And you are very successful because you have 5000 years of history as being parasites.YOU ARE EXPERÝENCED.
But you can't live in an independent country (which russians give to you).hýmmm... you can live but you can't be successful as living in other countries.
So give your small country to us and go and live in U.S.A, france or where else.You will be more happy.As you used to.
PARDON,there are nobody here writing from armenia.Only real parasites (who doesn't know where is armenia) are here.
Regards.
Ata
signed on Sunday, the 19. of May 2002 at 09:47:08
To suli the turk, the freaking turk,
Turkche,
Hold your nerves. And hold your breath. The best part is still to come. Don't worry I'm not gonna come over your face. I wonder would you ever answer at least to one of my questions. About the Genocide committed by the turks during the Ottoman Empire (after all you name yourself Suleiman the Magnificent), Armenian Genocide, about Greek and Assyrian massacres, about ruining the lives of millions of people by imposing your retarded culture and values, about stolen properties from the infidels i.e. Christians, about unfulfilled international agreements and treaties signed by your Holly Fascist Government, about treatment of the kurds, about ban over using foreign non-turkish languages in your rusty country, about your collaboration with nazi Germany and subsequent punishment of the minorities by imposing heavy taxes, about the occupied Cyprus, about turkish fifth columns in Central Asia and financing and giving shelter to Chechen and other Osama Bil Laden like cretins, about turkish sponsorship of terrorism in Bosnia and Albania, about turkish involvement of inciting the Kosovo Albanians against Macedonia, about so many evil things your kind are still trying to harbor.
Suleiman, whenever you want to address something to me please use my first name Turkoyebach.
signed on Saturday, the 18. of May 2002 at 23:35:53
My Dear Nemesis,
It's so good to hear from you again. Fifty-nine percent (59%) huh? Hmm...Tell me Nemesis, when you took this poll, did you get right into their crotch and do some little-head to big-mouth connections, or did you opt instead for some back-door action with their polls? What did you dress up as? What kind of a wig (or maybe it's your real hair) did you wear for each encounter? Did they make you wear garter-belts with fish-net stockings, or do you normally like to wear these items? Did you put on high heels? Did you squeal like a pig? Did you use any KY-Jelly? Did you use a condom (a rubber)? Was this a randomized poll? Scientific? Did they pay you or did you have to pay them? What was your standard deviation? Your mean? Your median? Was it statistically significant? What was your margin of error? What was your sampling size (not their length)? Do you have the raw data? I bet that you must be awfully raw. You poor creature! It must be difficult for you to walk or to sit down. But hey, it's all in the name of science, right? You might want to try a Sitz bath. It might help. Be careful in the future, you wouldn't want to flare-up your hemorrhoids again, would you? You know how cranky that makes you. I can't wait for you to do a follow-up study! Remember, you've got to fight, for your right, to PARRRRTTTTYYYY!!!!
Later Dude,
Steve (S. the Mag.)
signed on Saturday, the 18. of May 2002 at 20:33:13
Hey turk, Suleiman Kaputoglu,
Do you know that 59% of your circumcised compatriots cannot read and write even in their filthy turkish language. Do you know that your so-called Turkey has worst human rights record. Do you know that your fascist Government still oppresses 15 million kurds in their homeland, i.e. so-called "Turkey", the country not the bird.
signed on Saturday, the 18. of May 2002 at 18:37:16
Hello everyone,
I just got in this morning (PDT) from the east coast. I gave a couple of lectures in Washington, D.C., as well as other places. Sometimes, I have to leave at a moments notice.
It looks as if there hasn't been a whole lot of activity on this site since I've been away.
I see that we have an alumnus back on the board. Welcome back Antriak. Your style of writing
is much more eloquant than Nemesis. You're coherent, and unlike Nemesis or your other compatriots, you don't babble or rant and rave like a lunatic. Although, just like your compatriots, you evade issues/situations when it becomes inconvenient to you. You're response to my statements regarding the Armenian 812th Battalion are feable, at best. Come on, surely you can do better than that. Remember, you're dealing with a "Motivational Speaker" (I'll take that as a complement...thank you) here.
Nemesis, how are you? Miss me??? I heard a joke in Washington a few days ago which made me think of you especially. Here it goes:
"How can you tell if you're really ugly? When your dog closes his eyes as he's humping your leg!". HAHAHAHAHA!!...I'm not waiting for you.
Hello Viktor and Zero. How are you two? Fine, I hope.
Well, I'm still pretty tired, and I need to get myself to bed. I'll talk to you all later.
Best regards to all,
Steve
signed on Saturday, the 18. of May 2002 at 15:07:07
Hello! I found this site while looking for information for my school assignment....it's great and very detailed....helped me alot....!!!!
~Thanx~
signed on Saturday, the 18. of May 2002 at 14:55:37
Just a little note to our imbecile turkish guests. I intentionally used the word guests in a broader sense of the word, not only pertaining to this guestbook. If proper genetic pool is conducted in Turkey (pardon, so-called Turkey) probably 65% would turn out to be Indo-Europeans, i.e. people of Armenian, Greek and other Aryan origin. It is well known fact that during the days of the Ottoman empire millions of people were converted forcefully into Islam by the filthy turks. Unfortunately these people have lost their Armenian or other consciousness and became Muslims. Here I don't even mansion 15 million kurdish population. The number of the Christian Armenians that felt victim to the turkish jatagan were around 1.500.000. Out of 2.000.000. Christian Armenian population predominately in Western Armenia. If we count Cilician massacres and other inhuman atrocities against non-Muslim population of the Ottoman Empire, the figure will constitute the most outrages crime in the History of Human kind. I'm not surprised that turks do not admit to their wrongdoing because they don't belong to the human kind. They are pigs.
signed on Saturday, the 18. of May 2002 at 12:58:03
To Zero,
According to an armenian page, there are 2.080.000 armenians living in Turkiye NOW.But there are not aware of.Ha ha...
I think,Antranik found this 2,500,000 number from that kind of pages.
So,don't care..
signed on Saturday, the 18. of May 2002 at 05:00:53
to antranik ozanian,
look,i dun like to be a supporter of ottoman empire providin that its said to be my history.
but man u arent right in the thought of the number of armenians in ottoman empire..u say to Ata that he must read from armenian or western sources..but whoo knowss that they teLL the truth??can you prove it??? if u can,then do prove!! i can only say that in istanbuL were many armenians in that time.and they werent forced to migrate.i know this becoz they are still livin' in tha most beautifuL pLaces of istanbUL.hmmm..the Armenians in the eaSt?? they were forced to emigrate to SyriA.because ottoman empire accused the Armenian for backstabbin in the waR witH ruSsiA.
hmm..u said that turKs raped to armenian women..but in turKish siteS there are many photos of women that are said to be raped by armenians..come on..do u beLÝeve that??? i dont believe in both..because these arent be proved..!can u prove that??can u prove those women were raped?did u see??ha??come on dont do that hah!!try to be sensibLe..dont be chiLdisH..onLY a chiLd teLLs those stories to support his side..i cant prove anythin'.. thats why i dont take sites in that situation..
......take caRe.......
PS:ata..???biras daha açýk oLsana!daha fasLA cümLe kurabiLceenden eminim!!
signed on Friday, the 17. of May 2002 at 13:58:37
Excellent site. Keep up the good work. We should be proud of our history and past achievements and hopefully we will be able to see more and more victories in our lifetime all the way to occupied armenian lands wherever they are..... Just keep up the faith fellow armenians, team up, do not give up; whoever has the longest breath will survive and I am sure we will win at the end.....
signed on Friday, the 17. of May 2002 at 02:30:21
contakk to nemisis sparabed@yahoo.com
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signed on Thursday, the 16. of May 2002 at 11:46:23
Viktor, exactly where in my posting did I state hatred? I just posted a few facts. It seems to me that you just like to jump on the hatred bandwagon and follow your buddies statements. Your last posting, which you posted a number of times, makes absolutly no sense. It's just some guy blabbing his mouth off.
You guys always post the same message such as "If you don't like it move" or " Get some weapons and kill ministers." Just what are you trying to get at? Are you accusing us of something due to the hatred deep inside you that you feel for us? I bet you have some proud stories on how your grandfather raped innocent Armenian women and children. Maybe they even abducted a few of the young girls and raised them as Turks within their family. Could it be that you have Armenian Blood? Of course you do, starting right from the Jannissaries soldiers. Must be nice to have stories to pass down from generation to generation. Please let us know some of your stories. If you like, I can log into ICQ so you can tell me. Unless of course your going to threaten me by telling me not to piss you off. What a joke.
As for Ata, sorry, but you have been educated in a country that has taught it's population false things based on false facts. Maybe you should go speak to the panel of "German Turks Against Genocide Association" which collected 10,000 signatures demanding that Turkey recognize its past. YOu can also talk to Turkish Scholars who are beginning to state the same facts. All I have to say to you is that the truth is going to hurt when you find out that you have been living a lie. When that happens, come here and we will give you our support since Armenian hospiality is legendary. Just read about Xenophon and his Greek soldiers. Also, my number was off, it was 230 thousand Armenian soldiers in the Ottoman armies. Go read about in the crediable sources of Western Universities.
Regards,
Antranik
signed on Thursday, the 16. of May 2002 at 09:45:36
too bad i cant handle this guestbook :D
signed on Thursday, the 16. of May 2002 at 06:19:56
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that and i consider it as an advantage.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that we should excuse ourselves.and does this really make things better? no,it wouldnt.and we wouldnt do this and we wouldnt pay you reparations and we would do nothing.you always proof being able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gonna say
ehehehehey
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:51:53
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that and i consider it as an advantage.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that we should excuse ourselves.and does this really make things better? no,it wouldnt.and we wouldnt do this and we wouldnt pay you reparations and we would do nothing.you always proof being able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gonna say
ehehehehey
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:50:54
2.5 million armenians in Ottoman Empire?
200 thousand armenians in Ottoman Army?
Do you really believe this?
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:37:42
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that and i consider it as an advantage.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that we should excuse ourselves.and does this really make things better? no,it wouldnt.and we wouldnt do this and we wouldnt pay you reparations and we would do nothing.you always proof being able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gonna say
ehehehehey
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:15:17
hmm let's see why this entries take so long...
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:12:52
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that and i consider it as an advantage.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gonna say
ehehehehey
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:09:11
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that and i consider it as an advantage.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gonna say
ehehehehey
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:08:18
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that and i consider it as an advantage.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gonna say
ehehehehey
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:06:59
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that and i consider it as an advantage.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gonna say
ehehehehey
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:04:59
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gunna say ehehehehe
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:03:20
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gunna say ehehehehe
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 12:00:28
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gunna say ehehehehe
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 11:55:42
Antranik,i have good reason to write these postings - i like to know why you are so angry on a nation.dont you know that this makes no sense? you would soon have a war if every1 thought like you,and this scares me.i dont need to justify my way of writing,because i like writing like that.for you,i'll make an exception,because you are not very tolerant,as i can see.yes,it's true that i like ICQ-chatting and i do it myself as well - thank god,i like it - but if you wouldn't do it too you wouldn't know about this,so your "insult" doesnt proof to be justified.
you,my dear,should learn as many things as you can in your short life,because that's the sense of living.don't piss other people off (like me).
if you dont like it in armenia,move.if you want to help the people,spend money on them.if you want war with the turks,get some weapons and kill some ministers in ankara.
the only thing i see you write about is that you speak about the past - 1914 is past for me - and that you proof always able to justify your very bright statements.in fact,your speak is quite the same and you too pick about others statements.just like truth and nemesis.you must be really a very similar nation.i know i have my own mistakes,but the only thing you could find until now was my ICQ-like posting.that can't be true - next time u'll have a good laugh that i can't type!come on,pick on me,if u dare.and do it in an intelligent way.
so think about what yer gunna say ehehehehe
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of May 2002 at 11:54:20
Antranig,
Jamanagut mi gori. Spase minchevor Gevorg@ as shun-vortinerun postingner@ supurde!
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of May 2002 at 16:02:36
Steve, I must say, you are one of the only Turks that have ever lasted on this site. I've been trying to catch up on the readings and WOW, are you some sort of motivational speaker? "USE THE FORCE ABDUL ONLY THEN WILL YOU BE ENLIGHTENED!!!" You should change your name to Emperor Palpatine and Zero can become Darth Vader. Then, you can really approach all your neighbor's with one hand extended in front of you in friendship while the other is behind your back holding a sword, sorry a lightsaber.
Please note that I have not reviewed all of the postings since most of it is junk, however a few things have caught my eye which I will respond to. First to the Armenian back stabbing theory presented by Zero. Please note that in 1914 roughly 2.5 million Armenians lived in Russia and another 2.5 in the Ottoman Empire. The Russian Armenian's joined the Russian Army as they were subjects of the Czar just as how 200 thousand Turkish-Armenians joined the Ottoman Armies. What ever happened to these soldiers who fought against the Russians at Sarakamish and were praised by Talaat for their bravery in battle and for saving his life? I'll let you tell me. Also, is this not the same thing as the German-Americans and Japanese-Americans who fought for the allies against their people in WWII? Were these people backstabbers as well?
As for Steve's Armenian Battalion. Please note that Nazi Germany was one of your best buddies in WWII as you had many trade and military treaties with them. Turkey did not abandon the Germans until two weeks before the war ended and this was only due to get concessions from the allies. Also, please note that the resources(precious metals) you sold them were used in weapons manufacturing which in turn were used against the Jew's. In fact, I think you should apologize to your Jewish friends for helping out the German Cause.
As for Viktor, please note that this is not ICQ or one of your Porn Chat lines. This is not a low blow, but it is seen quite clearly in the way your postings are written with those Bohahah's and lol's. Since Steve is ignoring people he doesn't like, I'll ignore you since your postings are rather meaningless.
Regards,
Antranik "Luke Skywalker" Ozanian
P.S. If you like you can read some of my other postings below.
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of May 2002 at 15:08:57
EXCELLENT SITE. CHEERS AND CONTINUE WITH YOUR
GOOD WORK
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of May 2002 at 14:54:10
EXCELLENT SITE. CHEERS AND CONTINUE WITH YOUR
GOOD WORK
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of May 2002 at 14:51:52
too much truth :D
can't keep it up much longer,where's nemy,by the way?
tomorrow i'll have my next english test,i guess that helped me a bit - hey we all r civilized,but some are more and some are less - so far,so true
ahahahaha
peace duddies
Viktor
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of May 2002 at 10:46:47
too much truth :D
can't keep it up much longer,where's nemy,by the way?
tomorrow i'll have my next english test,i guess that helped me a bit - hey we all r civilized,but some are more and some are less - so far,so true
ahahahaha
peace duddies
Viktor
signed on Tuesday, the 14. of May 2002 at 10:37:51
very interesting, glad to have all this information at our fingertips. thanks for being here.
signed on Monday, the 13. of May 2002 at 18:55:16
Truth,
Everytime you talk, you just keep proving my point, over and over again! You're a one person example. Keep it up!
Steve
signed on Monday, the 13. of May 2002 at 12:53:49
Truth,
You just keep proving my point, over and over again!!!
Steve
signed on Monday, the 13. of May 2002 at 12:48:23
Who else if not the barbarian, genocidal turks who would use a guestbook to justify their bloody life style? Only a desperate, sick man would bring himself down to that level.
Not to mention that these same fools want to become a E.U. member and join the international community of civilized people while at the same time still commiting a genocide. How pitty they can't see the difference between a guestbook and a battle-field. How pitty that they always run from one extreme to another one.
Since countries one after another start to recognize the armenian genocide, the turks are gone hysterican and ...everything can be expected from these two faced cowards.
signed on Monday, the 13. of May 2002 at 11:41:06
Zero,
Glad to be of help. Take care man. Allah Akbar!
Steve
signed on Sunday, the 12. of May 2002 at 16:11:04
This is a message to everyone and their families
everywhere in the world:
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY !!!
Sincerely,
Steve
signed on Sunday, the 12. of May 2002 at 10:52:01
Hello again everyone,
I just returned from a business trip. Boy, it sure does feel good to be back home. Let's see what I missed while I was away. Hmm...doesn't look like I missed a whole lot.
To Viktor, Zero, Turk...we're all on the same page here (i.e. allies), however, try not to use vulgar terms when you write to Nemesis or the others of their ilk. This is the only way they know how to communicate. By doing so, you will just lower yourselves down to their level. This is what they want you to do. It will give them an excuse to try to have the organizers of this site
expell you. Don't fall for their trap. Follow my way of writing. There's no vulgarity in it, only reasoning. They can't stand that. They love to use insults and to get personal to get their way. When confronted with logic and reasoning, and the TRUTH, they can only revert back to their usual drivel of vitriol and garbage. At that point, you know that you have won. Remember, force them to come up to your level if they wish to have a meaningful dialogue, don't sink down to their level. Good luck, and remember, there are other sites like these (Greek and Armenian) that need to be shown the light of truth. They need to be enlightened.
There must be a new participant. Who is "O"? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. To whom are you refering to?
So, Nemesis, how have you been? Did you miss me as much as I missed you? I'll bet you did? By the way, what exactly does your first name mean? I'm not totally convinced that this is your real name. It doesn't really matter anyway. You can call yourself whatever you want. One name is as good as another, I suppose. I can see that some of your compatriots are having a hissy-fit ("a cow") when dealing with other writers. That doesn't surprise me. I've seen that type of response in several other sites like this one. One gets used to it after a while. I know that I have. Well, you take care of yourself. Remember, the more that you rant and rave, the more you are reaching out for help. As I said before, I'm there to help you, to bring you into the sunshine of true enlightenment.
With best regards,
Steve
signed on Saturday, the 11. of May 2002 at 15:03:47
who can conttak mr. nemesis
sparabet@yahoo.com
o
signed on Saturday, the 11. of May 2002 at 12:02:58
IQ ZeRo, I am sorry that you are a son of a turk and that you hated by everyone you come in contack with. If you weren't that bloody, you wouldn't have been hated by the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Kurds, the Serbians, the Arabs, the Persians, the Germans, ...etc.
Anyone who deals with the genocidal turks, will always hate them. I hate all the bloody turks who have massacred the innocent Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, the Kurds, the Arabs, the Serbs, the Bulgarians... I have all the right to hate the bloody panturkists because they have tried to kill me and my family.
I second with Hayk and I also call upon the Nazarians to kick you all out of this forum. When you become more civilized, perhaps then we'll start to talk to. For now we have noting to say to you since you are the same two faced cowards who only come to the armenian forums and spread all kind of lies.
Now get the hell out of this forum and take all the other filthy turks with you.
signed on Friday, the 10. of May 2002 at 16:52:53
Who are those IDIOTS??? Where the hell are the Nazarians to kick them out of the site?
turks will never be(come) civilized. i wonder why Nemesis wants to reason with these leftovers.
signed on Friday, the 10. of May 2002 at 08:52:39
aha,this name is supposed to mean something mean on turks,right? i am quite unsure whether it is turks-hater or turkskiller but i guess that would hit it,yep?? go drink your hot milk,baby
~Viktor~ i am better than u will never be
PS: nobody likes u here - ok i take it back,steve probably does - but i guess he has pity 4 ya, shithead (excuse for the shithead) lol
signed on Friday, the 10. of May 2002 at 01:11:50
The time for the truth has come. My real name is Turkoyebach Kazakian!
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 21:14:22
yeah i think telling the name ain't a bad idea after all.
tired of the discussion,nemmie?
Vik
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 17:24:35
turkche,
What is the purpose of coming frequently to this guestbook. Is there a message you want to convey, or just studding. You can learn, without even sharing your "knowledge". From the very beginning you said that you want to be on this board, to participate, but in what...
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 17:09:18
Nemesis,
I think that we're making some progress here.
I can tell when you are getting excited, you start making more spelling errors. As I said before, your "intellect" excites me. Remember, the more you rant and rave, the more you're trying to reach out for help. I'll help you anyway that I can. God knows, you all need it.
I've always thought that I had a rather average looking face, actually. Do you really think that I have a rat face? Hmm...Tell me Nemesis, just how long have you had sexual fantasies with rodents?
If you refer to my last letter, you'll see that the more you hate, the more you are actually trying to subconsciously reach out for help. You must understand that we are all human and that this is a natural thing. I'll be there every step of the way to guide you. You'll never be alone!
One more thing. Why are you afraid to use, at least, your first name? I'm using mine. I'll bet that you have a nice name.
I'll be in and out periodically. I've got some business to attend to. But, I'll be back.
Hang in there,
Steve
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 15:34:49
and of course,i feel verrrrrry sorry for posting this more than 1 time PUAHAHAHAHA
but this server is soooooo lame that i get an error message,when i've actually sent the message...hmm...send it again,then
got it?
Vik
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 14:42:35
aaaaalright then..."nemesis"
once u wrote u come from vienna,rite? well,and i live in Vienna as well - yeah many turks here,i can c it.good that they r here - i couldn't stand such patriots or "klugscheisser" (that's something like "nerd")i need culutral difference!
you just say what bad things they do and you will always find bad things about them cuz u look for quarrel!you actually dont want peace,but you want to pick on somebody. you are aggressive and unbalanced.maybe you dont make too much sport.i guess you are an old man who can only complain about the next best thing you get and then you feel 1.) happy that u said this and 2.) then you feel angry again because they are so meeeeeeeaaaaaaaaannnnn!
i think that turks' mentality is strange to us and i accept that.i mean,i dont let myself be commanded but i know where i can't say ok anymore.i have many turkish friends although i dont pray to allah and that's only cuz THEY r nice and probably I am nice.u dont need to hate them if u can have them as friends.i dont know what problems you have.maybe you didn't learn yet ot live in society !
hey and dont always call us idiots,i dont think that all inscribers are on the same hazy brain level.tell us instead why you are such a nice fellow and leave things which happened 100 years ago behind,if u can cope with actual things.
i dont think that the slovak nation is inferior,i actually think that they rule.but only because i live in another state where i feel the superficiality between people. oh you realllllllllly piss me off,but u've got the money, you're too lame to scare me.no will to fight is horrible,can't imagine it.
tu mihi quoque
Viktor
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 14:23:41
To Suleiman Magnificent (what an irony)
Listen turk, the fundamental question is why I hate you. You are so dump, that you probably would never find out, why I hate you even without knowing you personally. Yes I hate your rat face, and your parents because they didn't teach you basic things about who you are and where you came from. Well, they might have good excuse not knowing the answers of these questions, because they themselves hardly know.
You missed the point once again. Communism has nothing to do with the reasons why I hate you and you know that. Ironically you and your nation had never been able to live in democracy which explains your settlement in the land of the Christians, who your forefathers and personally Suleiman the "Magnificent" tried to destroy.
I don't want to see you anymore in this website not because of my hatred towards you, but simply because there is nothing I can learn from you. Your rambling about distortions and half-truths are refrains that your Government was singing for more than 87 years.
As I sad earlier, I wish I had no reasons to hate you and your nation. And to be honest I don't care whether your Government or your retarded compatriots would ever recognize the ARmenian Genocide, because its a matter of different approaches towards what is good and what is bad. You need to get used to the idea, that your culture and your civilization are the losers, and Suleiman the "Magnificent", belongs to the dark pages of the human history. It is not about Glory, or Powerfulness. There is a civilizational difference between Armenians and Turks and once you realize that I hope we can have a normal conversation. Ottoman Empire was an evil empire. Turks are idiots. Miserable creatures, who never been able to change. Never looked around, and never dared to ask themselves simple questions, such as who I'm and where I'm going.
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 12:31:35
viktor,
you are quite right..maann!!!
they dont do anythin except accusin'...
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 11:28:04
yes its not 1915.its 2002..upon being angry, what will ya do??i wonder.. in any case you r livin in the east in turkey.the population of the east of the turkey consists of kurds and armenians.why is it a big matter? you wanna form a state??do it then!
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 11:23:55
umm..weLL,,why aLL you do is insuLt? :S
childish amateur?? huh i've been lookin into the history of armenians for years,you JACKaSs..(you want it!!!) i want you to understand that im not narrow-minded about this matter,because i have enough knowlegde about it.
..and if you think im compLeteLy against to the nations who want to live in the boundaries of turkey,you think wrong!im not racist,and i dont even want to be racist(there are many turks who wish to live with kurds,and so do i)i admit that in the past türks behaved badly to armenians sometimes because i have enough proofs,but its a truth that armenians behaved like backstabbers in the worLd war.they had been living in peace in the ottoman empire(i didnt want to mention about this state)and then they helped russian soliders to go ahead in anatolia and conspired to kill the ruLer.then ottoman empire arranged ''the migration Law''.and killed some of the armenians durin' the migration.most of the armenians reached the Syria.
ottoman empire was a great empiree!but they were so greedy that they conquered so many places.on the other hand they made all the nations hate them.so their curse is comin' to our present.i admit hatin' them(our past).i admit their mistakes and i also admit each of them is suckerS!but now i dont avoid defencin' my country.
about european union...who cares...!!??
PS1:if you think that im a racist,you havent seen a racist be4!!!
pS2:someone wanted proofs???
PS3:another information,DO U KNOW that armenians live in the most beautifuL pLaces of ÝstanbuL now??and they are quite satisfied.
signed on Wednesday, the 08. of May 2002 at 11:07:59
My Dear Nemesis,
You are truly a gem! How can you hate my face? You've never seen me. How can you hate my parents? You've never met them. You hate my being?? Tell me Nemesis, when you go to a movie, do you talk back to the screen? You're starting to get some spelling errors. You're in a good tyrant tonight. Like I said, that excites me. The more you hate me, the more I like you!! I don't think that tonight's ranting is solely due to a hemorrhoidal flare-up. I believe that what I talked about before is begining to sink in. This response is good. Let it all out. Share with the group. You're going to find out how better you'll feel once you do.
You seem to miss the point of what an open forum is. It is just that, open to anyone in the world to participate in, to exchange viewpoints, ideas, etc. You, nor anyone else, have the right to tell someone not to come back. This isn't a communist society. We're all free to express our views. I think what you're afraid of is that this site may eventually be inundated with the truth, from various parts of the world. Peolple signing on will then realize that everything isn't so one-sided. They will begin to think for themselves, and not listen to the mindless drivel presented over and over by hate mongers. They can make a choice, make up their own mind. You're afraid of losing control over your people. You keep them in a type of mental bondage. For if they begin to think for themselves, no matter what their final conclussions may be, it will weaken all of your hold over them. And just like the communist system, which was based on a foundation of lies and distorted half truths, it will crumble under the shear weight of truth. That's why you don't want me, or others like me, to return to this site. You can deny it all you want, but deep down, you know that it is true. You can call people every name in the book. This is simply an act of desperation on your part. But I forgive you. You know not what you do.
With my best regards to everyone,
Steve (S. the Mag.)
P.S.- I think you're getting closer.
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 23:38:52
Suleiman,
You are wrong. I hate you. I hate your culture. I hate your face. I hate your parents and I hate your being. Don't be fooled. Until the time when you and your compatriots will come to your knees and bag for forgivness.
And don't teach me Bible. You better look at your Koran and see what is writen there, and than you might understands why I hate you so much.
Get lost of here.
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 21:59:58
Dear Truth,
I need help?? Obviously you have a hard time reading. Are you dyslexic? Which one of the four languages that you claim to know is easier for you to read (it sure isn't English)? Do you even know how to use a computer? Do you know what scrolling down means? If you did, you wouldn't make such STUPID comments!! There comes a time when it becomes counterproductive to continue initiating a meaningful dialogue with someone as ill as yourself (scroll down for reference...oh,oh,there's that word, "scroll", again). You need treament. Let me pose a question to the three of you. You are, I assume, orthodox Christians,correct? In addition to the Koran, I have a copy of the Bible (old and new testament). As hard as I look, I can not find the words from God to Moses (the Ten Commanments) that say "THOU SHALL HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR". Am I looking in the wrong areas? I do recall seeing, many years ago, in a bookstore in the Bay area, a book on SATANIC worship, which does indeed mention the above words. It is a well known fact that some members of Hitler's staff did indulge in this type of worship. My question to you is this...WHICH BOOK DO YOU USE FOR WORSHIP?
Another question pops up. From all that I have read in this forum, you give people the impression that Armenians NEVER hurt anyone...EVER!!! They were always the victims, but
they never inflicted pain or misery on anyone else in the world. They are pure and blameless. Is this what you're trying to convey to the world?
If so, then you have confirmed my suspicions. You are in desperate need of mental/spiritual help. For history is against you, in case you should open your eyes and taste reality.
From now on, I will only communicate with Nemesis, for he has a level of intellect that doesn't bore me. He's obviously more intellegent than Truth, Hayk, and Texan Jew put together. I like him. I will ignore the other two.
Nemesis, how are you? The more you rant on about hating me (Turks), and Azeris, and Jews, the more I like you. I already told you why. But, to reiterate, deep inside you is a heart that yearns to be loved and to be free. Free from the shackles of hate that has been thrust upon you by your peers. The very ones that bind your heart and soul now. You are in a polarity conflict, whether you realize it or not. It's sort of like the Yin vs. the Yang, Good vs. Evil. You must fight the dark side that's got such a strong grip on you. Use the FORCE, Nemesis. For if you continue down this path of hate, and vengeful retribution, then you have already purchased your ticket to Hell. It's probably too late for the others, but I sense that you still may have a chance. Don't blow it. You may never get an opportunity like this again. Save your soul...NOW!
Try not to attack everyone that signs on. Not everyone in the world has a hidden agenda. Give people a chance. You may be pleasently surprised at whom you may meet. Possibly, a new friend.
Best regards to all on the site,
Steve
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 20:55:38
who is this sick turk who posts the same message 11 different times. in fact, he even made some corrections while posting the same message for that many times. see a doctor bozo. you need help.
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 18:07:57
DOUBLE STANDARDS-THE TRUE FACE OF THE TURKS
Russia's defense minister Sergey Ivanov has harshly criticized Turkish authorities' inability to tackle terrorists, who find shelter in the territory of that country.
In an interview with Russian Itar-Tass news agency Ivanov, commenting on last week hostage taking in Istanbul hotel Marmara, said: "Turkish authorities are more than indulgent with the extremists, who fought in Chechnya against Russia or defend those, who are fighting now among the illegal armed forces there".
"Today everybody is fighting against terrorism by words. Turkey, for instance, intends to lead a peace-keeping group in Afghanistan. We welcome this fact, but simultaneously we are aware of the fact that the Turkish authorities have discussed the issue of allowing a Chechen leader Movladi Udogov's entry into the country, who is on the international list of wanted persons. Such examples prove that Turkish authorities act with double standards", Ivanov was quoted as saying.
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 18:01:49
"It's quite clear that the rights of national minorities are not respected in Turkey, particularly from the point of the preservation of their cultural and historical monuments. The will and ability of preservation of national minorities' rights must be the first term for Turkey's membership to European Union" said deputy of United Left Group of European Parliament, member of Swedish Left Party's Council Jinas Soestedet.
According to him, the United Left Group of European Parliament will continue its pressure on Turkey in order to make Ankara respect the rights of Christian national minorities living in the country, in other case no negotiations about the country's membership to EU can be held. He also denied the rumors spread by Turkish press that Swedish parliament had changed its decision concerning Armenian Genocide recognition.
As we all can see, turkey's past = the present. Nothing has changed at all. The same uneducated barbarians, the same lies, the same picture that everyone paint for the turks. The turks hope the time will change the face of the reality, yet they forget that unless they are changed, nothing around them will ever change.
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 17:51:34
all the turkish bozos out there who use english, german, french names...
you were already told that the truth has only one face and we all know what the truth is. if the bozo calling himself steve isn't willing to read about Marshal Bagramian and the other armenian heros, then what is the point of talking to him.
we can all understand why the turks are gone hysterical and deny the armenian genocide. but to be conditioned to a point when you don't even read the recorded facts??? who elese if not the sick turks would try to chenge the face of the rality.
i can only wonder why a sick minded turk will keep coming back to an armenain forum where he isn't even welcomed.
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 17:35:14
Sorry guys I don't understand what you are talking about.
Zero N... why don't you change your fonts into Times New Roman or anything else that is readable, that turkish is very hard to understand. When you make a statement try to be precise. Which part of my post was propaganda. I have no time to deal with childish amateurs and I have no desire to argue with turkish newspapers. If any of you is willing to have serious discussion you should try to supplement your statements by facts.
Our mistake was that we allow you to come to Armenia and allow you to have a state, and tolerated you for so long.
Steve, (suleiman) make an effort to read, not to reiterate what someone else told you . The chapter of Armenian Enlightenment Chronicle that is dedicated to Armenian participation in the World War II is located in the section "Capitol of Armenia". There is no even sign of KKK, it deals with the great sacrifices made by Soviet Armenians during the Great War. Learn and come back if you have anything to say.
Coward turks are famous for their lies. You lied the world about everything. Your biggest mistake in your short 600 years history was that you dared to mess with the Armenians and soon or later you will pay a dear price for it. And Remember, it is not 1915. Someone can get angry and …..
Victor, do you think that being partly Slovak is something inferior. Because if it is not., learn to read IDIOT! You don’t want war, and you don’t want human suffering, and you want peace. Then go and teach your f…….turkish fagots about their wrongdoing and then come back and accuse me for being racists or something. If you don’t know what to say, don’t say anything. Capish, Moron.
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 14:28:27
well well u speak about war?
goooooooooooood that u know what happened,probably better than me.but why do u blame e.g. all turks time for killing armenians,even when it's so long ago? i am german,well quite german,a bit slovak as well,and i do sometimes hear "nazi" or something like that,cuz i speak german PUAHAHAHAHA thats as ridiculous as if i said "yo man,u dont speak english,you are a barbarian!"
dont be angry for your whole life on a nation,moron,do u think that will help getting things better? and whats that for a fucking song against turks from "the truth" (oh u really speak unlimited truth) - it's as if i started to sing about fucking stupid moron americans (no i actually think u have the highest culture of all nations in the world lohohohohol) or where do u actually come from,"truth" ?
and if somebody is born in a country where bad things happen (like me) u cant blame the poor children,we really try best to avoid this.
just give peace,and jörg haider is NOT our president,morons! he even retreated as a governor of a small austrian province.
write again...
Viktor
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of May 2002 at 10:57:55
Nemesis,
Such language! I'll pass on the information to them (they left a few minutes ago). As to going to the Armenian capitol site as you suggested, that would be like going to the grand wizard of the KKK to get the truth about the treatments of negroes in this country. Nice try!
By the way, I still like you. I don't think that will change, no matter how vulgar or fanatical you get. I believe that deep down inside, you are a sensitive person yearning to be loved, just like the rest of us. You've got "Hutzpah" (a Yiddish term). I like that. It gets me excited!! What are you doing after the war?
Steve
P.S.- That is my name, however, you may be close.
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 23:10:40
Steve (what a turkish name, probably stands for Shefket, or Suleiman)
American turk, how proud I'm with you.There was an Armenian battalion in the ranks of the German army. And they were very good. Although they were not 20, 000. I guess it is a spelling mistake. I don't believe that they were 2000 either.
So according to your freaking Jewish friends this Armenian battalion operated in Crimea with the sole purpose of killing Jews. There were no Jews in this region, Moron. Look. Why don't you invite your abnormal Jewish friends to the Forum so I can discuss this matter with them. And don’t tell them that Hitler and Karl Marx were Jews too.
Talking about compensations, how about slaughtered 600,000 Assyrians and 300,000 Pontic Greek, and 80,000 Eastern Orthodox Slavs in Thrace. I even do not mention Armenian Genocide.
Listen Moron, go to “Capital of Armenia” section and read about Armenian participation in WWII. Read carefully and diligently, so next time when you post your stupidities try to be more prepared otherwise I feel myself as a tutor.
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 22:52:49
I was given the following information to pass along to you. This is in regards to the denial that armenians did not kill jews, nor have anything to do with their deaths. There was a magazine published in Berlin from 1938 to the end of 1944. Its name was "Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft". It talks about the formation of the Armenian 812th Battalion by the Wehrmacht. Its commander was named Dro. The 812th operated in the Crimea and the North Caucasus. Read the many accounts of rounding up jews for extermination, and/or the actual killing, by this band of over 20,000, of jews in the area. These are just a few cases of jewish genocide committed by Armenians. My jewish friends, who came in peace to this forum site, demand an apology from Armenia and the Armenian people. They're even considering demanding global compensation. What shall be your answer to them?
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 22:09:12
Hello again everyone. I just got back in town after having taken care of some business. I sometimes need to travel.
I guess no one has been able to find out the name of the artist/title of tape that I talked about previously.
Let's get caught up, shall we. First of all, to Hayk...In response to your question of whether I always get personal, or make personal comments on people that I have never met. Let me just say that if you review all of your previous comments involving me and others, then the answer should be obvious (even to a hate-filled maniacal twerp such as yourself). Hayk, can you say HYPOCRITE?!!
As to TRUTH...You are a psychopath in definite need of medication and hospitalization in the nearest mental institution. You have lost all touch with reality. You live in a delusional world. You are a danger to not only yourself, but to others around you. Please, get some serious help. And don't be afraid to use a dictionary.
Now, as to Nemesis. I missed you. Of the "three stooges", you're the most coherent. It wasn't that long ago that I started to become bipedal. It feels great to get out of the trees and walk around. Someday, you too will know how it feels. So, go ahead and re-evaluate your idea of evolution. I must add a somber note here. You truly went out of bounds when you insulted my jewish friends in your last letter. They meant you no harm. I can no longer put their names next to mine when I close. I won't write all of the things that they wanted me to say to you and the others. If they want to express their feelings, they can write it themselves. All I will say is that they feel you are incorrect in your assesment of the jews (I am putting this very mildly...in reality, they utilized numerous Yiddish vernaculars that decorum prohibits me from stating them here). Abe is a very kind man. He's a retired professor. David got so upset that he wished that he could meet you in person, to discuss this matter. David is a nice guy. He was a commando in the I.D.F. Now he teaches the martial arts to the police and to the military.
Why must all of you attack everyone that signs on to the forum? No wonder there aren't many new people signing in. You guys seem to always be on this site. Do any of you work? You all need to get a life!
Regards and best wishes to ALL of you out there,
Steve
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 16:04:56
To Zero 17
1. Armenia and Armenians are not a “problem”. Armenia and Armenians represent a 6000 years culture whose talents and creativity to a very large extent shaped the positive human development in the Ancient World. Armenians preserved the best of the Hellenistic culture and made a significant contributions in the fields of science, philology, literature, music, architecture , crafts, theology and philosophy. The so-called Armenian “problem” is actually turkish problem. Turks are the ones who deny the wrongdoing of their ancestors. Turkish babes are not guilty for Armenian Genocide (this is the proper word to describe the events, starting from 1896 and prior to that), but the parents of those babes are definitely guilty for being arrogant, and continuing policies towards denial of the basic human rights.
2. The atrocities that happened in other societies are well known and recognized by the Civilized World, while Armenian Genocide is something that so-called turkish historians, from the so-called “Turkey”(i.e. temporarily occupied Armenian and Greek territories) prefer to be left for historians. The uniqueness of the Armenian Genocide encompasses not only biological destruction of certain nation, but also destruction of the cultural heritage and religious beliefs of people who had well established state structures and inhabited lands for thousands of years.
3. Comparisons with other human atrocities are inappropriate because they are RECOGNIZED, and filthy turks use them as an excuse for their Satanic misbehavior.
We will do our best to keep you away from the Civilized World where you don’t belong, until the time your tick turkish empty heads realize the futile attitude of your Government.
PS: And just as a side note. The first sentence of your statement says, that you don’t hate Armenians and Greeks. We all know that turks hate anybody else. The question is why. Why should turks hate Armenians? Because you came and occupy our lands as fanatic Muslim aggressors, because you raped hundreds of thousands of Armenian, Greek, and Slav women, and your nation at present is a result of that “love”? Because you destroyed thousands of churches and monasteries, or at best you transformed them into mosques? Because you looted and plundered whatever was in front of your way to Turan? Why?
Only representatives of imbecile , barbaric, anti-human nation are capable of such a incomprehensible by normal physic behavior. I wish I could say that I don’t hate turks.
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 15:15:44
p.s. the cultural genocide, the blockade of armenia, the massacres of the armenians by the azeri-turks, the denial of the genocide is the reason why we can't ever be friends. you can't spend a day worshiping the ottomans and at the same time distance yourself from what they did to the armenians. if the father of all turks, ataturk the dog, wasn't as bloody as the ottomans were, and if the azeri-tuks of our days weren't as barbaric as their brothers in turkey were/are, perhaps then we would have start to reason with you. if you claim an ownership to the lands that was given to you by your bloody fathers, if you defend their bloody act, then you are as guilty as they were.
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 13:28:05
we keep hear the same song. "i don't hate the armenians, ...i have some armenian friends,...i am sorry for what happened to the armenians, but the turks were killed to...the americans have killed indians...etc."
like i said earlier...according to the turks, "no one is perfect and we shall all forgive and forget" even in a time when the same panturkist "keep armenia in a blockade, and still destroy the armenian churches".
until today, i have never seen anyone from germany to say that the germans were killed too and we are not responsible for what happened to the jews.
until today, i have never seen anyone from germany to claim that the yanks have killed the indians and since the americans aren't punished...we too must not pay for our crimes against humanity.
TO ALL THE TURKS WHO WILL RETURN SINGING THE SAME SONG!!!
are you all sorry for the "armenain genocide"?
are you willing to pay for what you did to the armenians?
are you willing to let the armenians to return back to western armenia?
if you answer NO to any of these questions, then there can be no talk between the turks and the armenains and you will be forced to come face to face with the reality.
we, the armenians have survivied the genocide and become much more successful then you will ever be. you have forced us out of our homeland and now that the armenians are spread in all over the worl, they have become stars and shine from all corners of the world.
deal with the fact, while armenians have returned to their normal way of life, you are still the same barbarians as you were for hundereds of years. the small nation of armenians has given more famous people to the world than the turks will ever do.
your days are counted. you don't produce, you don't create...the only thing you can do is to lie and destroy. in the world we live today, you can't survive, you can't have your name recognized unless you make something. deal with the fact and accept that 50-70 years from today there will be no turkey because your children and grandchildren will be ashamed to be called a turk. you are an empty barrel that makes a lot of noise. you are like a bloon that exists today and will be gone by tomorrow.
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 13:19:50
i dont hate Armenians or Greeks.i respect all of 'em..but you..i am askin' this question to all over the worLd. ''How can u stiLL accuse Turks of doin' that to Armenians''.. i deny comýn' from Ottoman empýre..but even ý have a respect for it.Can you accuse peopLe who deny Ottoman empýRe off kiLLin' ArmeniaNs?? how a narrowmindeD thought!! the worLd cannot be so narrow-minded!!!!!
on the one hand,IT is SAID THAT nazis killed jews and americans killed red skins..and the other natýonality killed another.(didnt turks lose their lives on account of coLd and hunger in the worLd war II in the east in 1915??) ..and another killed another..why the armenian problem is made the greatest problem?? ý have some armenian friends who are really cooL.and ý thýnk the worLd made it bigger!! if u accuse a Turkish baby who is born today of killin' Armenians;i wiLL accuSe the worLD!!!!
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 12:34:38
now that the turks are cornered, they want to preach love and peace. now that the world starts to recognize the armenian genocide, the turks predent to be friends with the armenians. now that the armenains are [only] couple of steps away from getting justice, the turks want to reason...
according to the turks, the victims have no right to speak about the injustice done to them. according to the turks, no one is perfect so the armenians better start to behave themselves and stop blaming the turks for the genocide.
for now i can only sit back and watch the game the filthy turks play. manipulation, double standards, deception, lies are part of the turkish way of life.
how funny. the same panturkists who still hold armenian in a blockade, ...and the same panturkists who have destroyed over 2,500 armenian churches in the past 40 years try to give us a history lesson.
signed on Monday, the 06. of May 2002 at 10:55:10
Christ loving Circasian (Cherkez),
My Goodness!
Your ancestors together with so-called kazulbash were one of the most bloodthirsty animals among the turks. Circasians were used to edifyingly convert Christians into turkish version of Islam. And now this guy below is teaching me about Christian love and forgiveness. You sorry about the Armenians that gave their lives during World War I, or you sorry about the innocent victims of the Armenian Genocide, because there is a difference between the two?
signed on Sunday, the 05. of May 2002 at 21:27:40
To Mr. Erdinoglu
Turks, real turks (mongoloid race), came to Caucasus around 11th century. Before that we were successful in checking you out from the Byzantine sphere.
If Hungarians and Finish were the only "white" (there were bunch of others as well) people in Central Asia, how come that turks are white. The truth is that turks are really a mixture but not only made of Armenians,Slavs, Greeks, and Persian but you should add around 50 nationalities to that.
As to the "whiteness" of the turks...He, He, He
look at your Prime Minister...He, He, He. All the turks that I know hardly can pass for white.
You missed the point somewhere in reading the Guestbook. It is not about hate, its about justice.
...Turks did not invaded only Balkans. Your ancestors invaded Armenia, Georgia, Persia, Anatolia, Greece, Balkans, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, etc...and destroyed significant part of the historical heritage of the Civilized world. You can learn more about that barbariarism from this webpage. No wonder why so many people hate (pardon) do not like the turks.
signed on Saturday, the 04. of May 2002 at 22:51:09
I am a Circassian-Canadian. I have read a book written by a Greek-Canadian Historian Dr. Dimitri Kitsikis. The name of the book is "l'empire Ottoman". Professor Kitsikis's is pretty unbiased, and the book is based on the historical facts and evidence. Per Dr Kitsikis, The Turks living in Turkey are not real Turks. They are converts (Greeks, Armenians, Slavs etc). Majority of them are white with green or blue eyes. They are beautiful, good looking people. I agree with Dr Kitsikis, but which race they are from is syill a question? Turks are from Central Asia, and there was no Caucassian tribe in Asia except Hungarians, and Finnish. Finnish and Hungarians had migrated to Europe 1500 years ago. I don't agree with Dr Kitsikis, because Armenians and Greeks are not as white as Turks. Turks are Caucassian. Greeks, Armenians and Persians are not.
Unfortunately, attrocities, genocides, wars, Human Rights violations still continue in 21th century. I am really sorry about the Armenians who lost their lives during the Great War. I hope the Armenians will return back their Homeland one day. The Armenians are reknown with their craftsmanship,I am sure They will create a wonderfull, wealthy country. Yet the question is "How easy would it be to return back to Armenia?". Is it easy for an African-American to go back to Africa? leaving everything behind, and going back to poverty for the sake of dignity or whatever? Is it possible for a Jewish person to go back to the promised land leaving a wonderful country behind, and moving to a desertlike land? Canada is my country. I don't hate anybody. I am a true Christian. Jesus told "Love your enemies". Hatred will get you nowhere. If your hate opens the ways, and gives you the opportunity to go back, I bet you won't. You are Americans, Canadians. You are enjoying the real promised land. Of course, you should keep your Armenian identity, great cousine, wonderful music. Yet you should also kill the hatred in your hearths, and leave the vengeance to the Lords mighty hands (a strict rule in Christianity). If everybody lives for hatred Germans should attak Italy, beacuse Romans had invaded Germany once upon a time. Slavs had invaded Greece, British had invaded India, Aboriginal people were slaughtered in North America, Attila the Hun (Hungarian) had invaded the continental Europe, the Spanish inquisition had slaughtered and expelled Jewish people, Turks had invaded Balkans, French had invaded Russia........Best regards
signed on Saturday, the 04. of May 2002 at 20:05:51
Parasite turk, how many times how you seen me to write in here? Do you have some mental problems???
Is making provocative comments your normal way of life?
signed on Thursday, the 02. of May 2002 at 08:17:14
to the turk who tries to be his place among the civilized people...I might be writing with spelling mistakes(that's because english is my 4th language...and i still try to improve...) but unlike you, I don't think with mistakes. The well documented facts, the truth has only one face and regardless how much you play cat and mouse, regardless how personal you get with the forum members, you will never be able to change the face of the truth. God it bozo??? You are the same liar who claimed to have a relative who went to armenian some 36 hours after the earthquake.
If you went far enough to read the Texan Jew's writing, you must have seen that he doesn't come to this forum anymore. But being a turk, you have chosen to play dirty and spread all kind of lies. How much more one needs to lie in order to be accepted by the civilized world. You tell a lie followed with another round of 10-15 lies in order to sound more convincing. Do you truly belive that people will be fooled with you lies. You are a typical turk who likes to kiss an ass...and once failed, you het hysterical and destroy everything on your way. Prove me wrong if you can. You did the same in 1915 after the slaves and the greeks gave you a black eye. The Armenian genocide was a result of turkish hysterica who have lost their heads and took a revange on unarmed people.
Until you recognize the armenian genocide, and until you pay for what has happened to us...and until you stop blaiming the victims for their aim to seek justice, there would never be a talk between the turks and the armenians. We don't need filty leftovers to come to us and preach love and peace. If you were that nice, you wouldn't have problems with all your neighbors.
Now get lost and don't ever come back.
signed on Wednesday, the 01. of May 2002 at 17:02:50
... and learn to say Constantinopole, not Istanbul. The later is an idiotic name given to a great city by your idiotic forefathers.
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of April 2002 at 16:07:04
American turk, how proud I'm with you. You are such an intelligent turk.You are intelligent. You can read and you can write, and on top of it you can reason. I guess I have to change my views about evolution. What a progress. Well, my excitement by your intellect won't turn me on, but I still can appreciate your efforts to become one of us - a human being.
Back to the point. By the way I don't mind if you consult your Jewish friends frequently about history matters, they might teach you interesting things, such as how they helped turks Identify Armenians during the Genocide. We were infidels , Christians, Giavurs, - right? On the other hand you were righteous, you were the good ones. I only wonder what the hell you are doing among infidels. What the hell you are doing in Europe and America. Why don’t you go back to Turkestan or whatever it is called right know.
In 1905 when first Anti-Jewish Pogroms broke out in Russia and Baku the only people who gave shelter to the Jews were the Armenians, together with some Polish and Russian students Ask your freaking Jewish friends about that. Thus, at that time many Jews were allowed to convert into Armenian Apostolisism in order to escape persecution.
You don’t have to respond to everyone that writes in this Guestbook. And don’t try to put Armenians and Greeks into one bag with your ancestors. The best advice I can give you is learn to say “We are sorry. We were wrong.” That is not that hard, especially If you are true to your commitment of being peaceloving.
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of April 2002 at 15:56:07
I found your site when looking for info about Armenia. Very nice and informative. I have added a link on my site to it, so everybody can enjoy it. I hope adding this link isn't a problem.If so, just let me know, and i will remove it from my site.
My site can be found at:
http://jkersten.topcities.com
Greetings from Holland,
Jan Kersten
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of April 2002 at 14:43:05
Hello everyone,
I still like this site, despite the attempts of certain individuals to spin their opinions and possibly try to discourage me from participating in your forum. To the organizers of this forum, I would like to say that I, and several of my friends, are very impressed with your site. You have good linkages to other sites. A very well thought out site. A good job to be sure.
For anyone out there, I'm trying to find some instrumental music done by pop armenian artists. I heard a tape once, a few years ago, that was so beautiful. It had a wonderful disco theme/beat. I never got the artists name nor the title of the song or tape. If any of you might know which artist, or artists, does this type of music, would you let me know. I sure would appreciate it.
Since I am new at this site, I did not know that Texan Jew was no longer contributing to the forum, as brought up by Hayk. As to Hayk, I find your continuous use of the term "parasite" to be quite interesting. Dude, it's nothing to be ashamed of. You need not suffer anymore. Try a little Kwell shampoo on your privates, leave it on for a minute or two, then rinse. It'll clear those "crabs" (Pediculosis pubis) right up. As for the Truth, you've got quite a few grammatical
and spelling errors. You might want to utilize a dictionary next time you write. And to Nemesis, I'm begining to actually like you. Your "intellect" turns me on. I stand corrected in that I was not aware of the occurrances in Istanbul, not Constatinople, from 1945-1950 in regards to the jews. My jewish friends told me that such things did occur. However, they know from first hand (surviving relatives) that jews were indeed killed by armenians in the earlier part of the century. When they read what you wrote at the end, they became quite livid. You set them off in a way that I've never seen them react. People, when are you going to get it through your heads that if we all continue at this rate, and I mean turk, jew, armenian, azerbaijani, greek, tartar, arab, etc., the human race has no chance of survival. We might as well just blow ourselves up right now and get it over with. Then it really won't matter who did what to whom, will it? Those who committed atrocities, from all sides, are doomed to eternal damnation anyway. Why must all sides insist on perpetuating this hate. Can't any of you see where all of this is going? I'm not a preacher, nor am I here to preach anything. All I'm trying to convey to everyone, on all sides, is when are we going to grow up!!!
Sincerely,
Steve, Abe, and David
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of April 2002 at 13:24:50
The parasite turk know that the Texan Jew doesn't come here anymore and none of the provocative comments he makes will be confronted
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of April 2002 at 08:08:59
to the turk who claims to be from the states...
During the Armenian genocide, some turks and as well as some kurds have helped the armenians and saved their lives. We have no way of knowing what relative of yours went to armenia 36 hours after the earthquake, but the first aid to the armenians have arrived from France and Greece ...and that was 3 days after the earthquake.
If you were so peace loving...you would have not refuse to accept our help when the turkish people have experienced the same trategy.
If you were kind and peace loving, you wouldn't have so many problems with all your neighbors. The past and the present of turkey are the same and the turks show no sign of becoming civilized. We care less about your fairy tales. The truth is recored with the job thta is done and not with some empty words we keep hear from the turks.
Before you dare to blaim the victims for their natural reaction to your barbaric act, you better know that there is nothing that can hold the armenians back from sicking justice. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! When the filty azeri turks were trying to kill my own family, you were not preaching your azeri brothers love and peace. When the Armenains in azerbaijan were killed by thousands, you did not come forward to stop the barbarians.
And now that you are faced with the rality that turkey and the panturkist are going to pay for all their crimes against humanity, now you try to preach love and peace??? HELL NO!!! We don't want frineds who play with double standards. We don't want all kind of filty leftovers to preach us tolrance when we have tolerated you for hundreds of years and at the end we were either massacred in our own house or had to run and save our lives.
signed on Monday, the 29. of April 2002 at 22:14:42
to the turk who claims to be from the states...
During the Armenian genocide, some turks and as well as some kurds have helped the armenians and saved their lives. We have no way of knowing what relative of yours went to armenia 36 hours after the earthquake, but the first aid to the armenians have arrived from France and Greece ...and that was 3 days after the earthquake.
If you were so peace loving...you would have not refuse to accept our help when the turkish people have experienced the same trategy.
If you were kind and peace loving, you wouldn't have so many problems with all your neighbors. The past and the present of turkey are the same and the turks show no sign of becoming civilized. We care less about your fairy tales. The truth is recored with the job thta is done and not with some empty words we keep hear from the turks.
Before you dare to blaim the victims for their natural reaction to your barbaric act, you better know that there is nothing that can hold the armenians back from sicking justice. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! When the filty azeri turks were trying to kill my own family, you were not preaching your azeri brothers love and peace. When the Armenains in azerbaijan were killed by thousands, you did not come forward to stop the barbarians.
And now that you are faced with the rality that turkey and the panturkist are going to pay for all their crimes against humanity, now you try to preach love and peace??? HELL NO!!! We don't want frineds who play with double standards. We don't want all kind of filty leftovers to preach us tolrance when we have tolerated you for hundreds of years and at the end we were either massacred in our own house or had to run and save our lives.
signed on Monday, the 29. of April 2002 at 22:13:25
I hate to do this but anyway. Somewhere in 1945-1947 Jew loving turks sent them together with many remaining Armenians and Greeks into labor camps as a "gesture" for their love towards minorities. Later in 1950s in order to make these affectionate relationship more viable turkish secret services + the “gray wolves” organized kind of mini "Crystal night" in Constantinopole.
American turk - how proud I am with you. Thank you for bringing up this subject. Turkey is not the only country that saved Jews during World War II. Actually turks kept their Jewry as a bargaining chip with the Nazis. Denmark and Bulgaria are the countries that SAVED their Jewish population, and in the case of Bulgaria, being close allay of Germany, the king himself and the Orthodox church played significant role in that.
As to the Armenians slaughtering Jews. This is such a bull****.
American turk , another reason why I’m proud with you is that unlike many of your compatriots you can read. You even can write. Wow. Educated turk. Now, the next step would be to learn how to read and write in a context. That is a bit more complicated, but I’m sure your Jewish friends will help you.
Regards and God save American turks!
signed on Monday, the 29. of April 2002 at 22:09:52
to the turk who claims to from the states...
During the Armenian genocide, some turks and as well as some kurds have helped the armenians ans saved their lives. We have no way of knowing what relative of your went to armenia 36 hours after the earthquake, but the first aid to the armenians have arrived from France and Greece ...and that was 3 days after after the earthquake.
If you were so peace loving...you would have not refuse to accept our help when the turkish people have experienced the same trategy.
If you were kind and peace loving, you wouldn't have have so many problems with all your neighbors. The past and the present of turkey are the same and the turks show no sign of becoming civilized. We care less about your fairy tales. The truth is recored with the job done and not with some empty words we keep hear from the turks.
Before you dare to blaim the victims for their natural reaction to your barbaric act, you better know that there is nothing that can hold the armenians back from sicking justice. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! When the filty azeri turks were trying to kill my own family, you were not preaching you azeri brothers love and peace. When the Armenains in azerbaijan were killed by thousands, you did not come forward to stop the barbarians.
And now that you are faced with the rality that turkey and the panturkist are going to pay for all their crimes against humanity, you try to preach love and peace??? HELL NO!!! We don't want frineds who play with double standards. We don't want all kind of filty leftovers to preach us tolrance when we have tolerated you for hundreds of years and at the end had to be either massacred in our own house or to be run and save our lives.
signed on Monday, the 29. of April 2002 at 22:08:44
I am new at this site. After looking through it, I find it to be an interesting site to learn about the culture and cuisine of Armenia. I love to learn about all cultures and people. I especially like to eat good food from different countries. I find some of the comments made by different people to be quite disturbing. I am a Turkish-American. I came to the U.S. in the mid- 1950's when I was six months old (yes, it was quite a swim). Although I lost many relatives in Van and Kars, I also lost a few in Cyprus in 1965. My uncle is a surgeon in the east coast. Within 36 hours after the earthquake that hit Yerevan, he was there to save as many lives as possible. I and my family here sent money to relief organizations in Armenia. Two friends are here with me now as I write this. They are both jewish. If I hated Armenians as you perceive turks and azerbaijanis to do, believe me, there would be no way that I, or anyone in my family, would help them in their time of need. Nor do I hate Greeks. You have some greeks writing on your forum about how they are united with you and that they hate turks. Some greeks believe that turkish-cypriots massacred greek-cypriots during the 60's and 70's. Ask them to read the Akritas Plan. They'll know what that is. I feel sorry for the Armenian girl (17 years old, I believe) in Seattle, WA who writes how she hates us. My dear girl, you know nothing about life. If you continue at this rate, you'll be heading down a road of evil. At some point, you must make your own decision as to which road to travel. Remember, there are always two sides to every coin. As to Texan Jew, get rid of the facade. My friends tell me, from your style of writing, that you are as much of a jew as we are negro. You are obviously an Armenian pretending to be a jew so as to confuse the issues. Be yourself, you'll be more credible that way. A real jew would know that they lived peacefully for centuries with the turks. A real jew would remember that Turkey took in thousand of jews before and during WWII, when no other country would help them. Jews remember being killed by Armenians. They remember being turned over to the Nazi's by the Greeks. You're not fooling anyone Texan Jew, except yourself. As to Nemesis...Sir, you are a head case if ever I've seen one. So much hate...tisk,tisk. You obviously need to start taking your medications again. Also, try a laxative. As to the rest of the sane people on the forum, I look forward to reading your comments (non-vitriol). I can tell that the vast majority of you do not hate. This is good. If the human race is to survive, we need more people like you (non-judgemental). Good luck to your website.
Sincerely,
Steve, Abe, David
signed on Monday, the 29. of April 2002 at 19:24:23
Sarkis and Gevork janer. You guys are doing an excellent job. I have read the essays that Gevork wrote about our history and I have liked it a lot. From now on I am going to refer non-Armenians and Armenians to this site if they want to know more about Armenians. Good job you guys. Sincerly, Your friend Hamlet (veradarz).
signed on Saturday, the 27. of April 2002 at 23:14:39
PARLIAMENTARIANS OF SEVEN COUNTRIES URGE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO TAKE MEASURES TO STOP "CULTURAL GENOCIDE" IN TURKISH TERRITORY
Parliamentarians of seven countries-Yugoslavia, Norway, Belgium, Greece, Cyprus, Lebanon and Sweden, signed a resolution of the seminar "Closer Civilizations is a Guarantee of Preservation of Pan-Human Values" containing a demand to the international community to take all measures for the stoppage of the CULTURAL GENOCIDE and destruction of the Armenian cultural heritage in Turkish territory. As is known, the major part of 2,500 Armenian churches have been destroyed in the territory of this country.
The resolution also says that the parliamentarians and other participants in the seminar condemn the manifestations of violance, cruelty and genocide of peoples, are going to continue to struggle for the restoration of the rights of all nations and demand that the international community should apply all means for the stoppage of terror against humanity. The issues of the Armenian Genocide and the destruction of monuments of Armenian culture occupy a special place in the resolution. It is pointed out that, in particular, the recognition of the genocide will serve as a minimal moral compensation for its victims, and that respect for freedom and culture of all nations is a corner-stone for the prevention of the repetition of genocide.
In a press conference on April 26, summing up the results of the visit to Armenia, the parliamentarians told about their impressions, the brightest of which was the visit to the Memorial to the Genocide Victims in Tsitsernakaberd.
The parliamentarians from Norway Ask Aranleot pointed out that one of the first persons who raised the Armenian question was Norwegian Fritiof Nansen. He promised to make every effort for Noway to recognize the genocide following the example of Sweden and France and that furter cooperation between Norway and Armenia be in the spirit of Nansen...
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so kemal, is this why you don't want the armenians to return back to their homes? Playing with double standards is a normal turkish way of life, isn't it. From one side you preach love and peace while at the same time, the genocide of the Armenians continues in the territory of the Turkish republic and in the republic of Azerbaijan.
SHAME ON YOU!!!
signed on Friday, the 26. of April 2002 at 15:00:02
p.s. sorry to know that you judge us with the same standards that you would do with the turks. the facts is, the jungle rules can not be used to judge the civilized world. thank God you reality is not part of our life and thanks God that we are noting like the two faced turks. You have betrayed your German frineds on the last days of WWII, you did the same with the Jews who have supported you from the creationg of turkey...and needless to talk about the double standards the turkish members of TARC have used.
signed on Friday, the 26. of April 2002 at 08:32:44
haha the turk took his mask out. all was needed not to agree with him and just take look how hysterical he gets. Once a turk, always a turk. Sorry bozo, we don't need friends who come to us with conditions. True friendship is more then what you will ever know and true friend doesn't play with double standards... As long us you suffer with a disease known as panturkism, you will always have problems...
take care
signed on Friday, the 26. of April 2002 at 08:10:05
Sorry guys!
You are hopeless. There is no difference between you and sick minds in Turkey who are still living with the dream of a new Ottoman Empire. More land, more power, more blood. I’m sorry but you will be choked in sea of blood like your famous enemies and reference persons, Talat and Enver.
signed on Friday, the 26. of April 2002 at 06:58:20
...Go ahead, destroy Armenia.
See if you can do it.
Send them into the desert without bread or water.
Burn their homes and churches.
Then see if they will not laugh, sing an pray again
For when two of them meet anywhere in the world
SEE IF THEY WILL NOT CREATE A NEW ARMENIA
William Saroyan
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 23:23:49
We are few but we are called Armenians
We do not put ourselves above anyone
Simply we also admit that we, only we have Mount Ararat
And that it is right here on the clear Sevan
that the sky could make its exact duplicate
Simply the Narek was written right here
Simply we know how to build from the rock, a monastery
How to make fist from stone, how to make man from clay
To learn to become the student of the beautiful
the kind, the noble and the good
We are few, but we are called Armenians
We do not put ourselves above anyone
Simply our fourtune has just been so different
Simply we have just shed too much blood
Simply in our lives of centuries long
When we were many and when we were strong
Even then we did not oppress any nation
See, centuries have come and centuries have passed
Yet over no one have we become tyrants
If we have enslaved, only with our eyes
And if we have ruled, only with our books
If we have prevailed, only with our talents
And if we have ever oppressed,
it has only been with our wounds
Simply with us death had fallen in love
Yet we willingly did not give ourselves
And when we were forced to leave our own land
Where ever we reached, where ever we went
Everywhere we left indelible trace
We have joined efforts for everyone, always
We plowed everywhere, we built bridges, we tied arches
We plowed everywhere and we brought forth crops
We gave everyone mind, proverbs, and songs
Another words we defended them from spiritual coldness
Every where we left our eyes reflection
A peace of our soul and a sacrament from the heart itself
We are few, truly, but we are Armenians
And by being few we do not succumb
Because it is better to be few in life, then to control life by being many
Because it is rather to be few, then to be masters by being many
Because it it better to be few, then to be swindlers
We are few, yes, but we are Armenians
And we know how to sigh from yet unhealed wounds
But with a new juice we rejoice and we cheer
We know how to trust into the foe's side
And how to lend a helping hand to our friend
How to repay goodness which was done to us
by compensating for each one by ten
And the benefit of it just in the sun
We vote with our lives, not only with our hands
Yet if they desire to rule us with force
We know how to smoke and how to quench their fire
And if it is needed to disperse darkness
We can turn into ashes like burning candles
And we know as well how to make love with lust
And we do this always by respecting others
See, we do not put ourselves above anyone
But we know ourselves we are called Armenians
And why sould we not feel pride about that
WE ARE WE SHALL BE AND BECOME MANY
Paruyr Sevak
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 23:15:36
An educated person knows well enough what he/she should or shouldn't value... Please forgive us for being a human and making some errors.
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 22:57:19
An educated person know well enough what he/she should or shouldn't value... Please forgive us for being a human and making some errors.
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 22:56:19
Listen Stinky turkish pig,
Parasites are your mother and your father who for some reason forgot to use a condom and you are the result of this failure. Parasites are turks, who created nothing in this world and were busy stealing and looting. Who you fought idiot. Women and children. Whenever you faced armed Armenians you disappeared as a smoke under wind. Be patient. Justice will be done. Soon or later.
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 19:14:40
Kemal, i have one more thing to add...
We, the armenains don't need to "dream" about greater Armenian. Our life style itself dictates greatness. Ar-mens, the children of Ar-arich Astvatc, (the creator-the God) are well known in all over the world for being great intelleculs and hard working people. The turks know about this fact, and they hate the armenians for being peace loving people of high intellecuals.
"...Talaat's first objection was merely an admission that the Armenians were more industrious and more able than the dull-witted and lazy Turks."
Henry Morgenthou, the U.S. ambassador to Turkey
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 18:09:20
Kemal, i have noting to promise you and you are in no position to demand anything from any armenian. I care less about who you are and how you want to condition your relationship with the armenians. The fact is, the turks are gulty of commiting a Genocide and at no given time you have a right to tell the victim about the rules of survivol. We, Armenians, were massacred in our own homeland and you, the turks, better not to start playing on two different grounds. I have all the right to talk about the armenian territories and you are in no position to preach me about love and peace. You liek it or not, the grandchildren of the genocide survivors will once again build a Greater Armenian and they will return to the birt place of the Armenian Nation. You got a problem with that???
"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from the harrowing reports of eyewitnesses it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion."
Henry Moregnthau, U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, 1913-1916, telegram to the U.S. Secretary of State, July 16, 1915
"In 1915 the Turkish government began and ruthlessly carried out the infamous general massacre and deportation of Armenians in Asia Minor...There is no reasonable doubt that the crime was planned and executed for political reasons. The opportunity presented itself for clearing Turkish soil of a Christian race."
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 17:52:48
Kemal, you said that you have many Armenian friends, how come they didn't tell you about "so-called" Turkey. There is no country like Turkey. These are occupied Greek, Armenian and Kurdish lands. It is not about claiming lands from Turkey. It is about returning lands to their proper owners. But take it easy, no one will evict you. Simply you should learn to live in a multicultural society without pretension of being superior and then you may have some "real" Armenian friends.
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 08:13:57
I’m sorry for the innocent Armenians who lost their life during the WWI. It is a matter of interpretation to describe it as a genocide or war crime. But the most important think is the fact behind. The naked fact is WAR! I do not want to see war in my homeland and the World in the future. I do not want to see any more blood.
I’m ready to apologize from every single Armenian about the things happened to their Nation, but first you have to proof to me that the real fact behind all these efforts is not a step for a dream. A dream for greater Armenia by claiming land from Turkey!
signed on Thursday, the 25. of April 2002 at 05:29:41
Kemal, the sad reality is, your governement still needs to recognize and apologize to the armenians(and not only). Genocide is a crime against humanity and noting can justify for what the young turks and the kemalists did. At no given time the victim must be accused for defending him/herself just because the panturkists go to the armenian forums and spread all kind of lies. The pain and anger the children and the grandchildren of the Armenian-Genocide survivors experience is caused maily by your governemnt and their agents who go from one armenian site to the other one and insult the memory of the genocide victims. The past the present of turkey are the same. The true friendship is proven with facts and not with empty words. The genocidal young turks have preached the friendship before they started to finalize the bloody job of abdul hamid. The azeri-turks, have done the same at the end of the 20th century... ( http:www.armenians.com/ )
At the end I'll remind you the words of talaat:
"...we have already disposed of three quarters of the Armenians; there are none at all left in Bitlis, Van, and Erzeroum. The hatred between the Turks and the Armenians is now so intense that we have got to finish with them. If we don't, they will plan their revenge." -Henry Morgenthau, the U.S. Ambassador to turkey
signed on Wednesday, the 24. of April 2002 at 10:44:26
A very good site. Highly educative. I’ve very good Armenian friends in Istanbul. I’m happy to learn a lot about your rich history. It’s for sure that all intellectual efforts (like yours) will help everybody to look the whole picture. I’m very optimistic about the next generations. Number of dull people, like the ones who posted their narrow views in your guestbook (from both Armenians and Turks) will be much less in the future.
My kindest regards...
signed on Wednesday, the 24. of April 2002 at 05:51:00
This site is great! Apren sarkoghner@.
signed on Tuesday, the 23. of April 2002 at 16:21:42
My best regards to all Armenians world wide wherever they are.
signed on Sunday, the 21. of April 2002 at 06:31:26
IN OUR HISTORY, WE NEVER BEGGED FREEDOM FOR OUR LIFE. WE ALLWAYS FIGHT FOR IT, AND WE SHALL STRUGGLE UNTILL THE END...
signed on Tuesday, the 16. of April 2002 at 06:46:54
I love Armenia and i hope it will become great and strong!!!
Greating to all Armenian people and God bless you.
signed on Saturday, the 13. of April 2002 at 07:21:30
I have just learned that the Arc is still in existence and I cannot believe that nothing has been done to expose it more for the world to see. Imagine what that would do to bring the entire world to its knees!!!
signed on Thursday, the 11. of April 2002 at 07:59:07
Sergej, thanks for the link to Your site and welcome to Armenian Highland.
signed on Wednesday, the 10. of April 2002 at 14:59:37
Greetinx from the Serbian Highlands!
signed on Sunday, the 07. of April 2002 at 04:47:47
Shnorhavorutiunner!This giga-site is very good work.I want to see all the pages.I want to say that some pages are not ready yet.Let's finish these pages and this site will be the bigest armenian site that Armenians have.A!I am member of Armenian Youth Federation of Greece.I will talk to the other members about your web site.
Good luck to everything that you will do.
Imanas vor hayapahpanman dzvar gortsin du al mi qar dretsir.Continue your big ideas if you have any.
Hakop Stepanian
Tank you.!!!!
signed on Sunday, the 31. of March 2002 at 16:29:38
this is a great site its one of the best iv ever seen
signed on Sunday, the 31. of March 2002 at 11:25:16
News, music, humor, screensavers, films, universities, chat, travel and more ...
signed on Saturday, the 23. of March 2002 at 11:49:25
NEW
signed on Thursday, the 21. of March 2002 at 17:49:08
I HAVE A NEIGHBOR, WHO HAS STUDIED ARMENIAN HISTORY ALL HIS LIFE. HE WAS LECTURING ME ON RACES OF THE WORLD AND HOW ARMENIANS ARE THE FIRST RACE THAT EVOLVED IN THE REGION. ALSO SAID THAT HOW JEWS ARE TRYING TO DISTROY THE FACTS, IF ANY, ABOUT THIS INFORMATION. AFTER THIS LECTURE I TRIED FINDING INFORMATION ON ARMENIAN RACE AND THEIR HISTORY. AFTER SURFING THE WORLD WIDE WEB THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST INFORMATION ON ARMENIAN CULTURE, ARCHITECTURE AND WAY OF LIFE. BEING ARMENIAN MYSELF I'M PROUD AND HAPPY THAT THIS KIND OF INFORMATION DOES EXIST ON THE WEB. ASTVAZ ZER GORZE AVELI LUSAVORI. THANK YOU.
signed on Tuesday, the 19. of March 2002 at 03:45:28
I found your site when looking for info about Armenia. Very nice and informative. I have added a link on my site to it, so everybody can enjoy it. I hope adding this link isn't a problem.If so, just let me know, and i will remove it from my site.
My site can be found at:
http://jkersten.topcities.com
Greetings from Holland,
Jan Kersten
signed on Sunday, the 17. of March 2002 at 12:13:07
shad ouragh yem vor seroun website ounis yev hay
cultur shad lav ge pasadres. mayrt bedk a shad hbard ellah kesmov.hachoghutyun.
signed on Friday, the 15. of March 2002 at 10:00:57
shad ouragh yem vor seroun website ounis. mayrt bedk a shad hbard ellah kesmov.hachoghutyun.
signed on Friday, the 15. of March 2002 at 09:59:08
shad ouragh yem vor seroun website ounis. mayrt bedk a shad hbard ellah kesmov.hachoghutyun.
signed on Friday, the 15. of March 2002 at 09:58:30
very nice web site i enjoyed it very much
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of March 2002 at 19:41:55
very nice web site i enjoyed it very much
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of March 2002 at 19:19:12
ARMENIAN GENOCIDE PETITION!!! MUST READ - MUST SIGN!!!
http://users.ihost.biz/armgeno/petition2002.asp?order=signdate&page=1
signed on Tuesday, the 12. of March 2002 at 21:31:55
I found your page very interesting. I suggest present the armenian version too. Also a section for diasporan communities.
signed on Monday, the 11. of March 2002 at 07:27:54
Our interest in the Armenian culture continues to grow due to our parents narration of their lives before coming to America. Thank you for this beautiful site.
Respectfully, Jan and Charlie
signed on Sunday, the 10. of March 2002 at 05:51:08
Dear webmaster,
I congratlate you on your genius. It is a beautiful site which beautifully describes ARMENIA and ARMENIANS to the world. Great Job!!!
Sincerely Taron
signed on Thursday, the 07. of March 2002 at 23:26:21
Inch Hrashali Site ek Patrastel Im Sirely Hayer
Shen Linek Im Sireli Tagavorner!
xndrem Hametsek Nor Haykakan Hekiatneri Site Dzer Bolori Hamar http://www.ArmTales.com
Armenian Network Solutions
ArmArt.com
ArmSTudent.com
ArmForum.com
ArmTales.com
Best Regards,
G. Karapetyan
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Armenianvip.com
signed on Thursday, the 07. of March 2002 at 16:16:30
Armenia what is that country, how the people there?
signed on Wednesday, the 27. of February 2002 at 00:06:43
I say hello to all Armenian people.I am a Greek Cypriot and my parents and their Armenian neighbors were violently forced to leave their homes during the 1974 barbaric turkish invasion.We must not forget the friendship of greece-cyprus and armenia,our roots and our history.The enemy is the same...
signed on Tuesday, the 26. of February 2002 at 07:11:22
Hello again,
I am looking for the Karamanukian family. You e-mailed me and it did not go thru. This might be in regards to my grandmother Seda Agahkanian. Thank you if you can get back to me.
signed on Sunday, the 24. of February 2002 at 17:27:21
hello, I am of armenian descent. My grandmother survived the turkish masacre. Her name was Seda Agakhanian. She taught me to be proud of my armenian culture. Thank you for your website.
signed on Saturday, the 23. of February 2002 at 14:19:34
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/
signed on Tuesday, the 19. of February 2002 at 18:22:54
I am Armenian, We need a web site with more history from our wonderfull land!
signed on Tuesday, the 19. of February 2002 at 11:38:02
Probably the best Armenian site i ever visited.
So much information, and beautiful pictures, i couldn't get enough of it. Great site keep up the good work , and GOD BLESS!
Arman Kazaryan.
signed on Monday, the 18. of February 2002 at 05:32:53
... however, my Father is an Armenian, who due the genocide and take over of his country moved to Cyprus, in the 1960s he moved to London. Life was fine, he was sent on a business trip to Turkey in the '70s, and whilst on business he was arrested for trumpped up charges of narcotics. He was sentenced to death, which was then commuted to 20 years. With a lot of help from some very influential friends, who shall remain nameless, he was released after 8years. He has written his story, and it makes 'Midnight Express' look like a holiday camp. I know how important it is for his book to be put into print, but which publisher will be brave enough. With the comments from some of your previous subscribers I can fully understand the difficulty the publishing houses face when confronted with dealing with bigots and people who do not like to hear the truth.
signed on Thursday, the 14. of February 2002 at 21:49:26
MORE ABOUT OUR COUNTRY ARMENIA
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of February 2002 at 16:00:53
A very interesting site
signed on Friday, the 08. of February 2002 at 10:20:43
I do hope that this interesting WEB page will not be off the Net within the coming years like many others. I'll sure be facing my screen twice or more a week to see what's going on here.
Yves HUGLI
signed on Monday, the 28. of January 2002 at 12:51:29
Heyya
This is a really helpful site for people looking for information on Armenia. I'm a photographer working on a project on Armenian landscape and architecture. Feel free to check out my pics from Ani, Akhdamar etc.; they're located in folder "Armenia" on my webgallery. Hope I can post more soon.
Keep up the good work! Hoping to see you guys in Yerevan, Bal
signed on Thursday, the 17. of January 2002 at 05:57:41
shat sirun site a es apres ape law baner oenes du
signed on Thursday, the 27. of December 2001 at 12:49:17
Barev Gevorg.
Stepan Kiremijiann e. Inchpes es, keznits teghekutyun chunem. mi angam zangir 818 3416895.
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of December 2001 at 01:52:00
Hey. Cool Site. Now check out mine. It will be open 12/24/01. Be there or just miss the fun. Everyone cool will be there. C-ya.
signed on Sunday, the 23. of December 2001 at 10:50:58
Great site! I feel that racial and ethnic animosity and hatred, past and present, have a common underlying cause. I have created a web page in which I express my belief as to what this underlying cause is. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.
signed on Wednesday, the 19. of December 2001 at 10:50:51
I love your web site.
It's the best ARmenian site that there is.
I learn a lot about my ARmenian rich culture & history. Thank you.
Can u add more Armenian painters along with their works in your site & can you add some materials about ancient urartu & even before Urartu.
signed on Monday, the 10. of December 2001 at 21:40:12
I just want to say how much I appreciate your site. It shows the importance and tenacity of Orthodoxy of both my people and yours who also share similar history. Maybe one day we can see the Armenians resettle the lost lands in Asia Minor. God willing.
Paraskevas Platis
Lefkosia , Cyprus
signed on Sunday, the 09. of December 2001 at 08:06:19
I am an Armenian punk rocker interested in meeting on-line friends!
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of December 2001 at 03:02:56
Love the web site and a big hello from the west cost of Canada to the rest of the Armenians out there
signed on Sunday, the 02. of December 2001 at 23:51:12
Barev dzez Hayastan!
My name is Andrei Cemberdjian. My grandfather was Armenian and I'm interested in my Armenian origin.
I whould greatful to anyone who gives me the meaning of my name.
I also whould like to know if somebody else has this name.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of November 2001 at 02:11:10
Promising front page. Hit your site by accident, just by inserting my birth name. Hope to find out more about everything relating to my background.
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of November 2001 at 10:46:02
To ak,
Just to quickly let you know that the Assyrian Empire did not fall to the Turks since they were still in Mongolia. It fell to the Medes and the Babylonians. YOu were defeated at the Battle of Carchemish in 607 B.C.
Also, note that your greatest advasary during that time were our ancestors "THE URARTU".
Antranik "The Eagle" Ozanian
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of November 2001 at 21:35:24
Alex D.
welcome to armenianhighland. your grand-grand parents did come to our homeland from mongolia and the bastards are still there. i hope you are nothing like you turkish parents and will leave us soon.
take care
signed on Monday, the 12. of November 2001 at 20:40:16
i am a American. my buba's parent were from Armenia. I went to this web site to learn about the gods and the lauge. I love Your web site !!
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of November 2001 at 13:54:06
To An Armenian:
I just wanted to add that the worst thing is the vast majority of the Turks will probably never even think of recognition of their guilt. They think of themselves as the "most tolerant Nation in the World," and don’t even bother to ask themselves why every single neighboring nation, plus every single nation that USED TO be neighboring to their "best country in the World," loathes them to the utmost of what human hatred can possibly go to.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of November 2001 at 10:35:38
ak, most of the turks in this site are agents working for the turkish government. the ordinary turks know almost nothing about their history. the history of turkey is painted with blood. the present of turkey is no different from the past. if todays' turks still live in our homeland, and if they refuse to let the
Armenians to at least visit our country, then they are as must as guilty as their fathers and grandfathers were.
signed on Tuesday, the 06. of November 2001 at 15:47:00
look...i pretty much know nothing about the attrocities between the armanians and the turks all i have gathered is that the armanians have had some horrible things done to them by the turks and the turks deny it but all the turks that will respond to this site will deny it because they're probably not directly responsible and i think from a personal opinion ,which is based on nothing so is therefore completely unbiased, that maybe people should be a little more open to the truth on either side, maybe people should be a little more concerned with how to stop it than your own opinins, if your turkish maybe you could look into whether or not these things happened, the US has hidden horrid things they've done from us and i accept that and i always have personally appologized and let people know that i don't think that those things were rght and that i wouldn't advocate them, if your armanian maybe think that not all turks hate you and they might not know about these things done to you not everyone of them can be evil and hateful, i myself think that all cultures and lives should be preseved accordingly but it takes both sides, i'm still pretty shocked about september 11,...it was a tragedy and i felt persoally hurt by it but i don't hate all muslims or afghanistan people, there have to be some that don't hate me we are the ones that will be the ones to help fix whats been done, i do feel in any situation that the guilty parties be held accountable but i don't hate all because of the actions of a few, i have heard that the turks are what helped the assyrian empire meet its demise and i am assyrian and ya that was thousands of years ago but i really wish i still had a country that i could say was the birth place of my ancestry but thats ok because things happen and i'm still ok so oh well but maybe if both sides looked at this a little more objectively things in the long run could get better,...everyone has a right to feel hurt,...no one hs a right to condemn others in hate,... thanx
signed on Thursday, the 01. of November 2001 at 07:51:07
really enjoy your site. THanks
signed on Thursday, the 25. of October 2001 at 17:44:19
Proud being a part of a great nation.
signed on Wednesday, the 24. of October 2001 at 03:53:01
This site help me a lot for the research that my teacher Digin Loucine Palandjian gave us about churches,monastries and cathedrales.I looked in a few other sites like:churcharmenia.com,asbarez.com etc.and this site was the only one where i found what i wanted.this site is the best,its informative and interesting.Tanx a lot for the help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gacia Demirdjian(11 years old)
signed on Sunday, the 21. of October 2001 at 11:23:13
its very good and interesting
signed on Sunday, the 21. of October 2001 at 11:07:23
I's my first time visiting this site (tanks to my Armenian teacher Digin Lucin Palandjian)and this site helped me do my project about a church.This site is really ammaysing.
THANK YOU!!!!!
Aren Bezdjian (11 yaers old)
signed on Friday, the 19. of October 2001 at 11:06:42
Congratulations for the very good work you have done. I visit this site very often just to learn more about my people and my country.
BRAVO
Love and Joy
signed on Wednesday, the 17. of October 2001 at 14:29:16
lET ME TO SPEAK WITH MY COMPATRIOTS IN OUR MOTHERLANGUAGE-HAYEREN
(I THINK YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY I WRITE HAYEREN IN LATIN LETTERS)
XORIN SHNORHAKALUTYUNS EM HAYTNUM SITE-i HEGHINAKNERIN HAYANPAST GORTSI HAMAR, YEV INCHU CHE NAYEV HAYAHAVAQMAN.
AYN INCH HIACMUNQ E PATCHARUM SHATERIN AYCELELOV AYS SITE-@, PSHURN E MIAYN AYN TACHAR YERKRI-HAYASTANI, VOR KA IRAKANUM, YETE AYCELEQ DZER ACHQERIN YERANI KTAQ. "TACHAR E MER YERKIR@
SURB E AMEN QAR" VAHAN TERYAN
SAKAYN HARGARJAN HAY JOGHOVURD, ARDI JAMANAK@ PAHANJUM E MEZANIC VOCH MIAYN HIANAL SITE-ER AYCELELOV AYL NAYEV MTATSEL: " ISK YES INCH EM AREL HAYASTANIS HAMAR?"
JAMN E GUMAREL MER MTQER@ YEV GORTSER@ MER HAYRENIQUM.
GORTS ANEL CANKACOGH HAYER!!!
YEKEQ HANDIPENQ HAYASTANUM.
GAGHAPARNER, TSRAGRER SHAT KAN,
HAYI MITQ@ YERBEQ CHI MARI,
YEKEQ HANDIPENQ HAYASTANUM,
YEKEQ LINENQ MIASIN MER GORTSEROV.
SHNORHAKAL EM HARGARJAN HEGHINAKNER KRKIN, VOR DZER SITE-OV ARTNACNUM EQ HAYI HOGIN YEV HISHOGHUTYUN@.
SITE-@ HAJOGHVATS E, KECCEQ!!!
SIROV MARINE VAHRADYAN
signed on Wednesday, the 17. of October 2001 at 14:09:40
It's great to have so much information on one page.
signed on Wednesday, the 10. of October 2001 at 16:13:29
Beautiful website, beautiful country with beautiful people. I joined the Armenians two weeks ago in Yerevan, Sevan and Spitak and I was overwhelmed by hospitality. Very dear friends who became almost family of me I have met.
signed on Saturday, the 06. of October 2001 at 12:08:27
This is the best Armenian site I have found so far. I'm going to recommend it to my non-Armenian friends.
signed on Friday, the 05. of October 2001 at 10:28:01
The music is wonderful!
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of October 2001 at 11:48:58
Hey this page is full of bull shit.
I dont believe in these writings. Please send me an email if you want to discuss about it.
by
signed on Tuesday, the 02. of October 2001 at 12:44:39
Hallo, just a few words to tell you that you should have a few pages on the Net written in Armenian for those who know and love the language and also for those who's parents or grand parents were born in Armenia. It would make the language live better and stronger and it would also help all the Armenian community to keep attached to their roots. Don't you believe that it would be quite stisfactory for this community to share this great asset of culture.With all my consideration, Yves Hugli
signed on Saturday, the 29. of September 2001 at 17:08:55
Hallo, just a few words to tell you that you should have a few pages on the Net written in Armenian for those who know and love the language and also for those who's parents or grand parents were born in Armenia. It would make the language live better and stronger and it would also help all the Armenian community to keep attached to their roots. Don't you believe that it would be quite stisfactory for this community to share this great asset of culture.With all my consideration, Yves Hugli
signed on Saturday, the 29. of September 2001 at 17:08:23
Very nice webpage and links! I spent this morning visiting with members of the Armenian community in Carrollton, Texas--such kind, hospitable people! I look forward to joining them as they celebrate 1700 years of Christianity next month.
signed on Sunday, the 23. of September 2001 at 18:06:48
my mother and father were born in diyarbekir, turkey. they fled the then atrocities of the ottoman empire. they were a mixture of assyrian and armenian. in fact i speak armenian, they spoke arabic, turkish and armenian
signed on Thursday, the 20. of September 2001 at 17:29:35
I am learning more and more about my heritage. I have yet to find a last name like mine other than my father and brother.
signed on Thursday, the 20. of September 2001 at 14:22:23
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME VISITING YOUR SITE. SPECIAL THANKS TO LAURA HUBBARD FOR HER KIND REMARKS WHICH WERE POSTED IN AUGUST 2001. THE DAY MOST ARMENIANS COMMEMORATE THE GENOCIDE IS APRIL 24TH. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST TO THOSE WHO COME INTO CONTACT, ON THIS SITE OR ELSEWHERE, WITH TURKISH "PEOPLE" AND OTHERS OF SIMILAR ILK WHO ENGAGE IN GENOCIDE DENIAL THAT IT IS BEST TO REMEMBER THAT THE TURKISH "PEOPLE" ACT CONSISTENT WITH THEIR "CULTURE" AND RELIGION. OTHER THAN HARVESTING OPIUM, THE TURKISH "PEOPLE" HAVE NEVER MADE ANY CONTRIBUTIONS TO MANKIND SO WHEN DEALING WITH THESE "PEOPLE," IT IS BEST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. THANK YOU.
signed on Wednesday, the 05. of September 2001 at 14:17:50
great chronicle.
signed on Monday, the 27. of August 2001 at 20:28:42
I'm interested learning about my heritage. Thank you for all this information.
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of August 2001 at 19:15:50
I'm interested learning about my heritage.
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of August 2001 at 19:15:12
Misters , your website is html food for my mind , my soul , and my spirit , be blessed .
signed on Tuesday, the 21. of August 2001 at 14:13:24
Well, it's been a while. Just wanted to tell the goof below of the genocides his Tatar buddies have done.
1) Armenians remember Zakatal
2) Armenians remember Nukhi
3) Armenians remember Aresh
4) Armenians remember Shemakha
5) Armenians remember Geokchai
5) Amrenians remember the 30,000 killed in Baku!
All these places are in Baku Guberniia where you Tatar Herdsmen killed 130,000 Armenians. And Remember Azerbaijan is a new word which you took from your Fire and Devil worshipping ancesters.
By the way, we obtain our documents from creditable sources and not the Turkish version of MAD Magaizine!!!!
Mer Nahadag Heros ANTRANIK
signed on Monday, the 20. of August 2001 at 20:57:24
I found your site when looking for info about the Armenia. Very nice and informative. I have added a link on my site to it, so everybody can enjoy it. I hope adding this link isn't a problem.If so, just let me know, and i will remove it from my site.
My site can be found at:
http://jkersten.topcities.com
(before: http://members.nbci.com/onslow_2000/hollandpage.htm)
Greetings from Holland,
Jan Kersten
signed on Sunday, the 05. of August 2001 at 03:43:20
To Tenri Shad:
You are certainly not the first one on this board to have attempted to distort the truth and make the Armenians look sinister and odious. In fact, Hitler in his time strove to do the same with the Jews. Well, as I have already mentioned earlier to one of your copartners naming himself "15%… World Citizen", it has always been typical of an aggressor to accuse its victim(s) of doing (or conspiring to "commit") exactly the same atrocities the aggressor himself has done or was planning on.
If you mean your argument being reasonable, your answering Nemesis’ question: "…how come that there are no Armenians in Western Armenia, Baku, Anatolia, Cilicia etc. ?" would be best to continue with.
signed on Saturday, the 04. of August 2001 at 13:06:35
My dear Armenian friends,
At least I hope I may call you friends as I am not Armenian myself. I am Puerto Rican/Cuban/Native American/Swiss and Swedish and born in CA. I have always loved the Armenian people very much. I love your history and enjoy learning about your very rich and very beautiful culture. I am a Catholic and I am now learning about your deeply spiritual church. How blessed you are to be the first Christians apart from those directly picked by Jesus himself. What has prompted me to post here is watching the specials on the Armenian people on our PBS channel here tonight. For many years in my heart I have silently observed the 2 horrible dates of the Genocide -April 24 and Dec 15- these are the dates taught to me by the media so I do not know which is the "correct" or "main" one because in LA both dates are significant. On these dates I light candles for the Armenian people past, present and future and say prayers to God for healing and protection.
Laura
signed on Friday, the 03. of August 2001 at 23:16:27
This is the first time I entered this site
I think I'll continue ...
signed on Friday, the 03. of August 2001 at 02:25:50
Here am I again!
I will respond to the freaking t*** below in detail a little bit latter.
Just quick few questions. If Armenians perpetrated
"Genocide" against t****, how come that there are no Armenians in Western Armenia, Baku, Anatolia, Cilicia etc. How come that t**** are there and Armenians are gone. Genocide is extermination wholly or in part of a human race. Where are the perpetrators of these “Genocides” against Moslems. Idiots. They need large, very large dosage of nukes!
signed on Thursday, the 02. of August 2001 at 00:10:52
THE FORGOTTEN GENOCIDE: TODAY 83 YEARS AGO...
EPIGRAPH:
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"..we enter the 21st century with a positive balance sheet, with an
independent Armenian state, with an Armenianized Armenia--which I
consider as important as, or if you will forgive me, more important
than Armenia's independence.."
Quoted from text of speech by Minister of Defense Vazgen Sarkisyan
at the Republican Party of Armenia Convention in Yerevan on February 1:
"Vazgen Sarkisyan's Speech at the RPA Convention"
Published in Hayastani Hanrapetutyun (in Armenian), 2 Feb 99 pp 1-2
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The Goal: "Armenianized Armenia" as clarified by late Vazgen Sarkisyan,
and Armenization of other territories in Azerbaijan, Georgia
and Turkey.
The Method: Premeditated murder and expulsion of
Azeri-Turkish civilians and other Muslims.
The Crimes:
1. Genocide in Eastern Anatolia (1914-1919)
2. Genocide in Western Azerbaijan (1918-1921)
3. Genocide in First Azerbaijan Republic (1918-1920)
4. Expulsion from Armenia (1947-1952)
5. Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide in Armenia (1988-1989)
6. Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide in Azerbaijan (1990-present)
The Criminals: National-Socialist and Communist Armenian movements
and their leaders.
For [1]: Leadership of Dashnak, Ramgavar, Armenakan and Hnchak parties
For [2]: Politicians: Kachaznuni and Vratsian (Zarevand),
leaders of Dashnak government in Armenia (1918-1921).
Military Commanders: Drastamat Kanayan (Dro),
Antrannik Ozanian,
Nzhde, Amazasp
Antrannik, Dro, Amazasp - Genocide in Eastern Anatolia,
Karabagh, Naxchivan, Zangezur
and Araz River Valley.
Nzhde - Genocide in Zangezur
For [3]: Anastas Mikoyan, Joseph Stalin and Communist leadership of
Soviet Armenia
For [4]: Communist Leader of Soviet Armenia Karen Demirchian,
Zori Balayan and other Armenian National-Socialists.
For [5]: Politicians: Levon Ter-Petrossian, Robert Kocharian
Military: Vazgen Sarkisian, Samvel Babayan.
The Evidence:
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GENOCIDE IN EASTERN ANATOLIA (1914-1918)
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www.armenianreality.com
"... here, in the city of Van, we saw inhumane cruelty of Armenians.
People said that Armenians cut women's breasts, twisted and broke legs
and arms. I saw personally the victims of this inhumane cruelty." Alexandra Tolstoy
From: Alexandra Tolstoy "Daughter", Zaria Publishing Inc (1979),
London, Ontario, Canada N6H 3K8
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GENOCIDE IN WESTERN AZERBAIJAN (1918-1920)
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"I have annihilated the Tatar population in Basar-Kechar (now Armenia)
indiscriminantly. The best means against these dogs - to gather
all still alive, to fill wells with them and from above to press
by heavy stones until they die. I have done that: I have gathered
all men, women and children and put an end to their life, casting
stones at the wells where they had been thrown"
A head of one of the Dashnak detachments under the command of
Andronik
From: A.Lalayan "The Revolutionary East", No. 1 - 2, 1936
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GENOCIDE IN KARABAGH, AZERBAIJAN 1918-1920
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"At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole
high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, Armenians spoke
Russian, but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their
distrust of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more
raids on Moslem villages.
"It will be three hours to take," Dro told me. We'd close in on
three sides."The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets,"
Merrimanov said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow."That is for morale," Dro
put in.
- "We must keep the Moslems in terror."
- "Soldiers or civilians?" I asked.
- "There is no difference," said Dro. "All are armed, in uniform or not."
- "But the women and children?"
- "Will fly with the others as best they may."
From: Robert Dunn, "World Alive, A Personal Story"
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952).
pages 354, 358
p. 361 (fourth paragraph).
...corpses came next, the first a pretty Muslim child
with straight black hair, large eyes. She looked about twelve years
old. She lay in some stubble where meal lay scattered from the sack
she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through her back, I
judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot, too
small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress. The next was a
Muslim boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay
face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter
bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below
his neck, into the spine. There were Muslim grownups, too, I saw as I led
the sorrel around. Djul was empty of the living till I looked up to see
beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel. He said all Muslims who had not
escaped were dead.
From: Robert Dunn, "World Alive, A Personal Story"
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952). Page 361
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GENOCIDE : BAKU, MARCH 31 1918
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Azerbaijanian women, children, and old men were killed in their
homes. In the mosques, where the inhabitants sought refuge,
massacres took place. Stepa Lalaian searched the whole city
for Mohammedan children,.. grasped them by the legs, whirled
them through the air, and dashed their skulls to pieces against
the paving stones.
For three days blood flowed in the streets of Baku. Corpses
filled the streets and houses. Pregnant women with bellies
cup open lay in front of the mosques. Armenians forced their
way into the courtyard of our house; through the air-hole I
could see how they threw two children up into the air - both
together were not ten years old - and caught them on their
sabres. Many Mohammedans who had lost all in the battle put
on white garments and flung themselves unarmed against the
daggers of their opponents. No one was spared in the street
battle. They killed even the physicians, who are otherwise
considered inviolable everywhere in the Orient.
Thirty thousand Mohammedans were dead. Stepa Lalaian was
celebrating victory.
From: Essad Bey, "Blood and Oil in the Orient" Simon & Shuster
Publishers, New York, 1932. Pages 109-110.
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GENOCIDE IN KHOJALY (1992)
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Khojaly Genocide Commemoration Website:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5078/index.htm
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POSTSCRIPT
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Political posters, banners, and monuments exhibited publicly during
protests interpreted a series of historical events for a mass audience.
in the process, they depicted an Armenian nation and identity based
upon historical interpretation...
In the second poster, a tri-colored sun blazes above a tri-colored
Armenia and Karabagh (Figure 3.8). The accompanying text of this
poster reads in Armenian: "The Armenian population of the Armenian
state is now 90%. Let's make it 100%." The figure 100% is also
rendered in the red, blue, and orange stripes of the Tricolor flag.
This poster, by coloring the maps and the figures alike with the three
national colors, argues that the ethnic composition of a population
serves as a basis for legitimacy in territorial disputes, by
naturalizing a relationship between a people and the land.
From: Stephanie Platz, "Historical Consciosness and Armenian Identity
in the Pre-Independence Armenian National
Movement (1988-1990)" Research Paper, 2000
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signed on Wednesday, the 01. of August 2001 at 20:08:26
To: Talin Orfalian
I can’t fully agree with you saying below:
"ITS NOT THE PEOPLE.... ITS THE DUMB GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!! People can work together but the Government is the issue here. This world would be in peace without Government!!!!!!"
As you may remember, various media sources, including, certainly, official Ankara, reported basically the SAME: every single Turk felt himself offended by the decision of the French Parliament [on the Armenian Genocide bill], or other statements into that effect. As for "every single Turk," doubt it, but over 80% (or maybe even 90%) – for well sure!..
Turkey is a totalitarian society, akin to the Third Reich: "…One Nation, one [National Socialist Working] Party, one Füehrer."
Not only the Nazi Leadership was guilty of the atrocities the Third Reich had committed. The ordinary Germans supporting the criminal "National Socialist idea" of subjugating the entire world and enslaving/exterminating those whom they considered to be "subhumans," the inferior to the "master race," DID bear their share of the grave guilt.
SAME is with those Turks who are denying the Armenian Holocaust and supporting the Punturkic ideology. As I have mentioned, it must be well over 80%…
signed on Wednesday, the 18. of July 2001 at 14:34:30
Hello! Inch bes eck? I love Armenia. Its my homeland. I have been to Armenia once and it was beautiful. I still can't believe what those turks did to Armenia and the Armenians. Justice is timeless. "NO MORE GENOCIDE" "TURKEY MUST RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE" Armenia is my country and I am going to support it as much as i can! "We are few but we ARE STRONG". Nobody takes my country away from me and gets away with it. Turks need to be punished.... ITS NOT THE PEOPLE.... ITS THE DUMB GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!! People can work together but the Government is the issue here. This world would be in peace without Government!!!!!! So Turks need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I went to Ottawa and i fought for our country.
OK by by
signed on Tuesday, the 17. of July 2001 at 07:47:54
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signed on Monday, the 16. of July 2001 at 21:06:02
if anyone knows where to buy armanian movies, please e-mail me : vishn@aol.com
signed on Monday, the 16. of July 2001 at 21:05:35
By reading this site, i really learend a lot. Not that i never new about Armenia,no actually i was born there but didn't know as many things as I wanted. This site offered me quite a lot. Many thanks to those people that did show cooperation. IT was merely GREAT. People that are looking for a site that has all the information they would ever need, I urge them to mere save some time for this site. YOU WON'T REGRET IT!! GOD BLESS :)
signed on Tuesday, the 10. of July 2001 at 14:01:19
I am a minority. As a minority, I have always been interested in the problems of minorities, especially the causes. I am particularly interested in ethnic conflicts, such as in Northern Ireland and have concluded that all such conflicts have a common underlying factor; whether it is in East Timor, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mindanao, Somalia, Puerto Rico, Fiji, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Tibet, Chechnya, Israel, etc. All the minority groups are experiencing the same underlying problem which has in turn resulted in the common desire for independence, regardless of the geographic location or culture of these minority groups. I have created a web page in which I express my belief as to what this underlying cause is. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of July 2001 at 10:58:00
It is a great side with so understandfull page.
Keep the great jobb.
God blase you and all Armenian in the world
signed on Saturday, the 30. of June 2001 at 13:02:12
Nice place to visite.
:))
signed on Saturday, the 30. of June 2001 at 05:05:06
I am a minority. As a minority, I have always been interested in the problems of minorities, especially the causes. I am particularly interested in ethnic conflicts, such as in Northern Ireland and have concluded that all such conflicts have a common underlying factor; whether it is in East Timor, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mindanao, Somaliland, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Tibet, Chechnya, Israel, etc. All the minority groups are experiencing the same underlying problem which has in turn resulted in the common desire for independence, regardless of the geographic location or culture of these minority groups. I have created a web page in which I express my belief as to what this underlying cause is. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.
signed on Tuesday, the 26. of June 2001 at 07:09:44
INCREDIBLE site!!
For those interested in Armenian History,
read "The Armenians" written by John Douglass.
signed on Saturday, the 23. of June 2001 at 00:45:32
I'm interested in learning more about Armenian history.
signed on Monday, the 18. of June 2001 at 08:04:41
I am proud of being part of the first ever nation to except chritianity
signed on Friday, the 08. of June 2001 at 16:26:55
Correction for my E-mail Address
Bedros A. Tekeyan
Bibliography of Cilician Armenia
(Bibliographie de la Cilicie Armenienne
5235 Croissant Langevin
Chomedy, Laval (Quebec)
H7W - 2E4 (Canada)
E-mail: tekeyan_cilicia@kronotech.com
signed on Monday, the 04. of June 2001 at 06:57:37
BEDROS A. TEKEYAN
5235 CROISSANT LANGEVIN
CHOMEDEY, LAVAL, QUEBEC (CANADA)
H7W -2E4
E-mail: tekeyan_kronotech.com
Phone (450) 682-1105
Dear Sir
I have the privilege to introduce the 2nd revised and augmented edition of the Bibliography of Cilician Armenia. This huge expanded Bibliography has a great and large contents ever made on this subject, A Guide Reference for the Study of Cilician Armenia, compiled in 17 Bibliographical Chapters and enhance the following materials:
7000 - Titles of books and studies.
17 - Bibliographical Chapters.
4 - Appendixes.
38 - Documentary rare maps.
30 - Documentary Illustrations.
25 - Chapter's first page titles are depicted from ancient manuscript paintings
110 - Coins (face + reverse).
498 - pages (44 + 454), in two columns.
I had sent hundreds of letters and e-mails to Armenian Foundation, Unions, Funds, Associations, Organizations, Libraries, laymen etc. alas no one respond to this magnum book, which aimed to help and serve as Guide to the Genocide, History, and many different topics. We Armenians are not aware of the massive literature that we have and we don't have the appreciation to those who do this massive work. This book is fruit of 25 years of labor. Professor A. Terian described it as "Bibliography of Cilician Armenia is indeed an overwhelming book that is " worth its weight in Gold".
CONTENTS OF THE BIBLIOGRAPHY OF CILICIAN ARMENIA
PREFACE: By Dr. Vartan Tekeyan, Armenian Archbishop of Iran.
INTRODUCTION: Study in History and Arts of Armenian Cilicia.
ABBREVIATIONS used in this Bibliography.
ARMENIAN ALPHABETS & TRANSLITERATION KEY.
INTRODUCTION: To the 2nd Revised and Augmented Edition.
1. - ARCHAEOLOGY:
Cilician fortifications, castles, monuments, inscriptions, Monasteries, and churches (140 titles).
2. - ARCHIVAL DOCUMENTS:
Archival documented concerning the Genocide, Massacres and the Armenian Question from: Austria, Armenia, France, Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, League of Nations, Russia, United Kingdom, U.S, and Vatican (350 titles).
3. - ARTS - CIVILIZATION:
Culture, Traditions, Fine Arts, Customs etc. Cilicia (175 titles).
4. - BIBLIOGRAPHY:
General Bibliographies of Bibliographies. (300 titles).
5. - CHURCH - LITURGY:
Full list of all books or studies related to the History and liturgy of the Armenian Church (450 titles).
6. - COMMERCE - TRADE:
Acts Customs, Maritime, Measures, trade, tariffs etc. (270 Titles).
7. - PUBLISHED DOCUMENTS:
Genocide, Massacres and the Armenian Question, in published documents from: Armenia, Australia, Canada, France, Cilicia, Germany, United Kingdom, Russia, Turkey, and USA (200 Titles).
8. - GEOGRAPHY:
Demography, Ethnography, Geology, Topography, Maps, & Guides (150 Titles).
9. - HISTORY - STUDIES: Armenian Cilicia an the Crusades.
Extensive and complete list of books and source studies related to the history of Armenian Cilicia, Armenia, the Crusades and neighboring countries (1640 titles).
10. - LAW - CHARTERS:
Acts, Courts, Laws, Charters, Legislative, codes and privileges (200 titles).
11. -LINGUISTICS - LITERATURES:
Linguistic and literary studies. (300 titles).
12. - MANUSCRIPTS - PAINTINGS:
Studies on Arts and Armenian Miniatures (270 titles).
13. - MASSACRES - GENOCIDE:
Embrace a complete list of all books, studies, analytical studies, Official Documents, and eyewitnesses, (1700 titles) for the following topics:
(1)- The Armenian Massacres of 1894-1896
(2)- The Adana Massacres (Holocaust) during 1909-1910.
(3)- Armenian Genocide: Massacres and Deportations during the First World War, 1914-1923, in Cilicia and Armenia.
14. - MEDICAL STUDIES:
Medical practices in Cilicia under the Great Dr. Mekhitar Heratsi (50 titles).
15. - NUMISMATICS - COINS:
Numismatics and Coins in Armenian Cilicia, inscribed for the first time in Armenian letters (200 titles).
16. - ARMENIAN QUESTION:
Armenian Question and Cilicia (600 titles).
17. - TRAVELS AND JOURNEYS:
Journeys, Travels and Researches. (300 titles).
APPENDIX 1: Journals and periodicals used in this Bibliography (800 titles).
APPENDIX 2: Rulers of Cilician Armenia and their minted Coins.
APPENDIX 3: Chronological Table.
APPENDIX 4: Documentary Illustrations and rare maps.
Price of the book US $ 95.00 (Special price you pay only US$ 75.00)
To receive the book, please send your check at the address of the Author.
signed on Saturday, the 02. of June 2001 at 17:38:01
The site was very impressive.
signed on Saturday, the 02. of June 2001 at 13:15:15
help to make this world a better place.
by d'intermonogeographicationology.
signed on Friday, the 01. of June 2001 at 21:59:16
To the ATTENTION of the WEBMASTER!
Your other discussion board does not work.
Maybe a job of Seljuk-Osman hackers who celebrate
the conquest of Constantinople by their savage ancestors. It's their way of applying for European membership... :)
signed on Thursday, the 31. of May 2001 at 15:10:34
PRESS RELEASE
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Armenia
Government House 2
Republic Square
Yerevan, Armenia
Contact: info@ArmeniaForeignMinistry.com
Tel: (374-1) 523531
Fax: (374-1) 151042
Web: http://www.ArmeniaForeignMinistry.am/
Date: May 30, 2001
AZERBAIJAN'S DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN FAILS
The International committee of the Red Cross, the internationally recognized and respected charitable organization which provides aid to war and disaster vivtims, issued a public statement saying recent statements citing the ICRC by Azerbaijani officials are false.
Thus, Azerbaijan's chronic disinformation campaign has failed, and this time, at the Council of Europe - an important international forum to which Azerbaijan has just received entry.
At its first presentation at the Concil of Europe Parliamentary Assembly, Azerbaijan presented a motion for recommendation to introduce a resolution that would condemn Armenia and Karabakh for holding more than 700 prisoners of war, and for denying the ICRC access to these prisoners. Azerbaijan cited an ICRC report as its source of information.
The ICRC's refutation of these charges was thorough and quick. The ICRC stated it had not failed a report on this topic, had not issued such numbers, and that the facts as stated by Azerbaijan in no way correspond to the reality on the ground. The ICRC distributed its statement rejecting the Azerbaijani allegations to a wide circle of Council of Europe officials.
This latest Azerbaijani propagand ploy aimed at blaming Armenia has instead discredited Azerbaijan's own credibility regarding all documents and all statements in any international forum.
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I wonder who let these barbarian azeri turks to enter the EU!?! With empty promises and oil deals, this time they couldn't go far. Good to know that are still people on earth who don't give up to the panturkists hysteria and always stay on the side of the truth.
signed on Thursday, the 31. of May 2001 at 15:09:28
12 May 2001
Baku, Zerkalo
Subslug: Atticle by R. Mirkadyrov: "Impending Crisis: and It can no longer be avarted, it seems"
Carey Cavanaugh, the loquacious representative of the United States in the OSCE Minsk Group, characterizing the situation both in Azerbaijan and in Armenia, once said in connection with the peace negotiations that...
..."Heydar Aliyev is perhaps the sole person that can persuade the Azerbaijani people of the need to conclude peace." ..."Azerbaijan will lose an arm. It will be painful for it, but it will most likely reconcile itself to this." ...
signed on Thursday, the 31. of May 2001 at 14:37:10
"Let the Historians Decide" (???)
I wonder how they will study the question...
Today no Armenian is left in the Wester-Armenia.
The Ottoman government had a plan about Armenians.
They have sent people into the desert where no preparation was done for their survival.
None of the Genocide survivors were ever interviewed by the turks.
The pan-turkist policis were carried out in the former soviet republic of azerbaijan.
Today no Armenian is left in Nakhijevan.
The azeri turks have destroyed most of the Armenian architectual building in Nakhijevan.
Armenians were forced out from the Shahumyan region long before the Karabakh was started...
many of them were massacred by the azeri turks with the assistance of the red army.
Now we have ther words against the facts:
Let their well paid so-called historieans create new and new stories...they can't go far with their
cat and mouse game.
signed on Thursday, the 31. of May 2001 at 11:19:15
FIRST EDITION OF "ARMENIAN STUDIES" PUBLISHED
First edition of a quarterly journal of History, Politics and
International Relations "Armenian Studies" was published.
The first edition of the journal which will be published by
the Eurasia One Foundation Institute for Armenian
Research, includes options and research of Turkish and
foreign academicians and experts on the Armenian issue.
The preface was written by Eurasia Strategic Research
Center Chairman Prof. Umit Ozdag. In the first edition,
Institute for Armenian Research Chairman and retired
ambassador Omer Lutem stresses that there were many
developments regarding the Armenian issue in the first
four months of 2001 and he comments on these
developments. Other articles in the first edition and their
writers are as follows: "Let the Historians Decide"
(History Professor Justin McCarthy from Louisville
University); "The Armenian Question" (retired
ambassador Dr. Sukru Elekdag); "Project on Founding of
Greater Armenia" (Inonu University Science and
Literature Faculty History Department Chairman Prof.
Salim Cohce); "About Historical Origin of Armenian
Troubles" (retired ambassador Dr. Bilal Simsir); "The
Unnoticed Side, Psychological Dimension of the Armenian
Problem" (Numune Hospital Psychiatry Clinic Director Dr.
Erol Goka); "The Armenian Lobby: The formation of the
Armenian Lobby in US and Lobby Activities" (Assc. Prof.
Senol Kantarci from Erzurum University) /Anatolia News
Agency/
BAHCELI ESTABLISHES AN ARMENIAN RESEARCH
COUNCIL
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State Devlet
Bahceli has established a council to strengthen the
Turkish views on the Armenian issue. The Council, which
will examine the allegations of the genocide, will carry
out research to give scientific responds to those
allegations. /Cumhuriyet/
signed on Thursday, the 31. of May 2001 at 10:12:52
FIRST EDITION OF "ARMENIAN STUDIES" PUBLISHED
First edition of a quarterly journal of History, Politics and
International Relations "Armenian Studies" was published.
The first edition of the journal which will be published by
the Eurasia One Foundation Institute for Armenian
Research, includes options and research of Turkish and
foreign academicians and experts on the Armenian issue.
The preface was written by Eurasia Strategic Research
Center Chairman Prof. Umit Ozdag. In the first edition,
Institute for Armenian Research Chairman and retired
ambassador Omer Lutem stresses that there were many
developments regarding the Armenian issue in the first
four months of 2001 and he comments on these
developments. Other articles in the first edition and their
writers are as follows: "Let the Historians Decide"
(History Professor Justin McCarthy from Louisville
University); "The Armenian Question" (retired
ambassador Dr. Sukru Elekdag); "Project on Founding of
Greater Armenia" (Inonu University Science and
Literature Faculty History Department Chairman Prof.
Salim Cohce); "About Historical Origin of Armenian
Troubles" (retired ambassador Dr. Bilal Simsir); "The
Unnoticed Side, Psychological Dimension of the Armenian
Problem" (Numune Hospital Psychiatry Clinic Director Dr.
Erol Goka); "The Armenian Lobby: The formation of the
Armenian Lobby in US and Lobby Activities" (Assc. Prof.
Senol Kantarci from Erzurum University) /Anatolia News
Agency/
BAHCELI ESTABLISHES AN ARMENIAN RESEARCH
COUNCIL
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State Devlet
Bahceli has established a council to strengthen the
Turkish views on the Armenian issue. The Council, which
will examine the allegations of the genocide, will carry
out research to give scientific responds to those
allegations. /Cumhuriyet/
signed on Thursday, the 31. of May 2001 at 10:12:21
Christen,
When we were Christians, they (Wasp's) were living in the trees. Cheers!
signed on Wednesday, the 30. of May 2001 at 21:26:30
Christen,
Call Sidon Travel for more information
(800)826-7960
or check www.armenia.com
signed on Saturday, the 26. of May 2001 at 09:08:35
Christen,
Call Sidon Travel for more information
(800)826-7960
or check www.armenia.com
signed on Saturday, the 26. of May 2001 at 09:07:29
Christen,
Yerevan is one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
Why don't you go to Armenia...be surprised, and have THE
experience of [the] lifetime.
King-Tigran
signed on Saturday, the 26. of May 2001 at 09:02:56
someone pleasgive me information about YEREVAN,ARMENIA.i wanna travel there
signed on Friday, the 25. of May 2001 at 22:10:36
hello,im part armemian.i would like to travel to yerevan someday soon.im 19.i need info of our nations capital.i have a 7" record of an armenian punk-rock band.my family tells me there is nothing in armenia.i think the'retore-back.armenia might be a cool place to hang out for a while,hope so.and about the turkish oogles.y'aal should be mad at the rag-head yuppies.it's all there fault ya know.someone told me that armenians are rag-head-muslims,i told them to shut-the-fuck-up!!!someone please give me information about ARMENIA,i wanna go,i really do.
signed on Friday, the 25. of May 2001 at 22:06:11
To the person calling himself Armen:
first of all: are you armenian?
...I know the turks want to stop the Armenian-Genocide recognized at any cost.
As a consequence, they spread all kind of misleading, fabricated stories.
At the same time, they try to undermine the work done by armenians.
By doing so, they try to discorage the people to fight for justice by calling them racist.
If that is the case, perhaps we should stop accusing the turks for
killing the kurds too? Why in the wold people would spend their time accusing
the poor turks? Can't they just get a life and forget what thappend to us some 86
years ago? We are a one bit internationa family after all...lets share of what we
have with our turkish borhters...ans if we don't, they must kill us and take their
share. Turks, after all, have some special rights. They are never to be questioned.
signed on Friday, the 25. of May 2001 at 17:58:11
To the person calling himself Armen:
first of all: are you aremenian?
...I know the turks want to stop the Armenian-Genocide recognized at any cost.
As a consequence, they spread all kind of misleading, fabricated stories.
At the same time, they try to undermine the work done by armenians.
By doing so, they try to discorage the people to fight for justice by calling them racist.
If that is the case, perhaps we should stop accusing the turks for
killing the kurds too? Why in the wold people would spend their time accusing
the poor turks? Can't they just get a life and forget what thappend to us some 86
years ago? We are a one bit internationa family after all...lets share of what we
have with our turkish borhters...ans if we don't, they must kill us and take their
share. Turks, after all, have some special rights. They are never to be questioned.
signed on Friday, the 25. of May 2001 at 17:57:15
I LIKE to have more information abut
CANADA pleas help
signed on Thursday, the 24. of May 2001 at 12:54:55
Massacres can NEVER be ignored. Period.
signed on Thursday, the 24. of May 2001 at 09:52:22
Guys, what happened happened. The problem is we are taking racism too far. For once, lets just get along. I don't care who started it, but it really doesn't matter. If you are strong enough you can just ignore it. We don't need negativity in this world.
signed on Wednesday, the 23. of May 2001 at 16:54:53
I think that this is a great site, providing information for the contemporary Armenian youth which is not easely accessable. Thanks for the effort to educate us.
signed on Wednesday, the 23. of May 2001 at 13:12:20
THIS SITE IS JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR TO HELP ME LEARN EVEN MORE ABOUT MY HERITEGE.
signed on Sunday, the 20. of May 2001 at 19:10:12
THIS SITE IS JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR TO HELP ME LEARN EVEN MORE ABOUT MY HERITEGE.
signed on Sunday, the 20. of May 2001 at 19:03:59
Listen Mr. Josh BigStress,
If you have been able to visit Armenia in 1991-1992 I’m sure your would have been able to see tens of thousands of Armenian refugees (and not only), fleeing Azerbaijan. The difference is that Armenian refugees were accommodated and helped by their compatriots while Azeris preferred to hold their refugees in the tents. Your one-sided attitude can be easily explained with the smell of Petrol, which your “Catholic” being can not disregard. I am sure your love towards Muslims extends to all Muslims that have the “Black Gold.” As to your slur against Armenians, I would suggest “Watch your mouth”!
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of May 2001 at 14:28:27
Very nice site. A lot of passion
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of May 2001 at 01:18:10
Listen, "big kind man", this is a GUEST BOOK. Discussion board is the other way...
signed on Sunday, the 06. of May 2001 at 18:20:20
I join the army of people who demand from you delete this azeri turk's postings.
I made a statement earlier about not deleting his massages for which, I regret.
Knowing how hard you worked to create this site, I will leave in your
good judgment to make the final decision.
signed on Thursday, the 03. of May 2001 at 18:56:24
To Azerbaijani Turk:
Your intelligence staid at a low level of your ancestors. Please write me from what steppe do the Turks come from ( sorry but I did not pay attention to this matter in the school ).
When you don´t like Armenia, please don´t read Armenian page and, first of all, don´t write here!!
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of May 2001 at 23:13:55
Listen stinky circumcised turk pig,
Starting from tomorrow morning, I will commence preparing list for all your brothers residing in the US. That will not be “Shindler’s list,” that would be “Nemesis’s list.” And you all will be invited to leave the civilized world where you don’t belong. Take your belongings and wait for me.
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of May 2001 at 21:55:17
To "Azerbaijani Turk":
"We all seek to be Napoleons,
Millions of two-legged wretched creatures
We have the only weapon..."
An "improfessional" translation.
(Guess the author, you, stinking pork chop)
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of May 2001 at 18:35:37
Looks like the discussion arises again in the guestbook against the request of the webmaster to "carry on" on the discussion board which was created SPECIALLY for the purpose.
My suggestion to all obsessed "Anatolian", Azeri, and other Turkish garbage: if you, worthless heathen swine, happen to have some guts, go there and try to "teach" the participants your perverted history. If you dare…
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of May 2001 at 16:18:46
This parasite azeri is also called Ahmet-Azir. He posts in different Armenian forums under different names.
I object to the proposal of deleting his massages. Let the world see and understand
who this barbarians
are. Speaking louder, making false statements don't prove anyone to be right. Fortunately we don't live in the
middle ages and people are not stupid. This poor azeri just discovered a world and likes to find his place
among the civilized people. Lets leave this poor creature alone, lets have him learn from his mistakes.
I would strongly suggest to ignore all his massages. Reason with this kind will get us
nowhere because
they have no standards. Regardless how many times you prove them wrong, they will still sing the same
song over and over & over...
Aryuts
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of May 2001 at 14:17:41
Dear Webmaster,
Please erase the non-sense of this turk, nomad, mutant below. He already promised that would not appear in this website.
If I have had some spare time, I would gladly travel to San Diego to “teach” him some history lessons.
Cheers
signed on Tuesday, the 01. of May 2001 at 18:28:13
Onic Palandjian - London, United Kingdom
Excellent site
signed on Tuesday, the 01. of May 2001 at 04:48:32
Hi to everybody!!!
Today I first time visited your guest book. I read most of the messages. I don't understand what do those muslims want from us. Don't you have a respect??? I, as an armenian girl would never visit one of your sites because I hate you. First of all, (To all the turks) before posting any worthles messages, please read history books. TO ALL ARMENIANS, ka naev urish me website vortex me turk grume ir messages aselov te hyer@ misht exelen turkeri &araner@, Hayastan erpek che exel, ev shat shat cavali baner voronk menk gitenk jisht che. Dra hamar indz tvume vor ete menk irenc arhamarenk irenk aylevs chen veradarna aystex(shnayats kaskacumem vorovetev turkere inknasirutyun erpek chen unecel ev chen unena). Ekek bolors linenk miasnakan!!! I wish all the best to all Armenians.
WE ARE FEW BUT WE ARE CALLED ARMENIANS...
signed on Monday, the 30. of April 2001 at 13:58:34
To those who don't know the truth, one day you will learn, and you will realize we have no problems with present day Turkey. We only want the lives of our ancestors to be honored.
signed on Thursday, the 19. of April 2001 at 19:37:32
This is a great web-site. Every Armenian should know and be proud of our history and heritage.I'd like to thank all the people who created this wonderful site about us - the Armenians. You did an excellent job!!!
signed on Friday, the 13. of April 2001 at 08:15:25
I urge all of you to participate and post your messages related to various discussion topics to the new Discussion Board http://www.sarvue.com/cgi-bin/board/index.cgi Thank you.
signed on Wednesday, the 11. of April 2001 at 12:11:55
This is a wonderful effort which greatly conveniences the access to learn this information.
Looks fantastic and is chock full of substance.
God bless the creators of this site who have a vision to educate. Much appreciative.
signed on Monday, the 09. of April 2001 at 22:22:29
Please use the AEC Discussion Board to exchange your ideas.
signed on Monday, the 09. of April 2001 at 11:44:26
To Osman:
first of all, thanks for your honesty once again -- your fellow countrymen have contributed to this board with the rubbish propaganda so often, that your paragraphs look like a "nice surprise".
Now, about your main points: you have missed a critical part of the discussion on this board -- it's not about the hatred towards every single Turk living on the planet, it's about guys in uniform that govern your mainland using the puppets in civilian.
Kemalism, while giving birth to modern Turkey and contibuting a lot to its moderate position in an Islamic world, brought with itself a vicious strain of totalitarianism that has been feeding on Turkification of minorities (or getting rid out of them).
That would be probably ignored a century ago (after all the Ottomans were doing the exact same thing), but, what's terrible about the modern Kemalist government, is that they try to give the image of a civilized government to what is essentially a totalitarian government where every single bureaucrat still keeps a body-size picture of Mustafa Kemal (other than capiltalist economy, there is no difference between your government and that of the Soviets).
And the most ridiculous thing is that those half-baked politicians from the Polisci dept. of Ankara University think they can sell their quasi-military regime as a true democracy to Europe...
If they call this "national culture" -- then they should at least have gutts to do it openly like they brotherly leadres on both sides of the Caspian (Aliev and Turkmenbashi) do.
And look at your national culture as you may perhaps call kemalism -- it supresses the rights of almost half of your own ethnic Turks, the religious muslims (vs. the nominal ones)...
It's a dictatorship of the "westernized" with respect to everybody else. You call this part of the culture?
Armenian Genocide issue is about the hatred towards the Ottoman dictatorship and Kemalist totalitarianism! It's about changing your society from within by accepting one day that "Yes, Kemal was a great guy in many respects, but was a big bloody son of a ... in some other IMPORTANT FOR MODERN CIVILIZATION respects too"
Lenin was a god once upon a time, look what he is now...
Kemal will share inevitably the same fate...
Armenian issue is about respecting the rights of every Turkish citizen. The rights of Armenians, citizens of Turkey, were grossly violated.
If you are planning to go back to clean up some of your mess there, think of the Armenian issue that way. If you don't apologize for your own citizens (just like Stalin never did for sending millions of his own to death in Siberia), then your building a better life is just like Stalin's "brighter future" for everybody ... with the blood of "everybody else".
For one thing, Stalin didn't really differentiate between various ethnicities (though it doesn't make it less of a genocide): your government did (and this makes it a genocide by definition!).
So, remember for your own future -- there is no brighter future built by murdering your own citizens. Dictators always think that way, but then they vanish rather quickly too...
Your generals know this pretty well, but they're too old and crooked to give it up so easily.
If you call what they represent "pride", then I think that pride is a big bone in their throats, and until they swallow it, Turkey will be a mess, political, economic, human rights...
Who will lose? You, first of all, and Armenians too (since having a civilized and strong neighbour is better than having a deeply troubled one). I agree with you on this.
But trade, as you persistently suggest, is not a cure. It's a consequence.
It's a result of a healthy relationship, and not a trigger to one.
Though, I guess one can't have a healthy relationship with a totalitarian regime, can it?
You do the history readings...
signed on Monday, the 09. of April 2001 at 08:09:49
Please use the AEC Discussion Board to exchange your ideas.
signed on Sunday, the 08. of April 2001 at 11:58:07
Osman thanks for keeping an open mind. But, please remember that we will never stop pursuing the Quest For Justice. The more Denial continues the fight for RE-AFFIRMATION, because Recognition of the Armenian Genocide took place by the Turkish Government when Young Turk leadership was found guilty by Turkish military tribunal and foung GUILTY OF MILITARY CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY the organizers and planners of the Armenian Genocide in 1918 WITH DEATH SENTENCE IN ABSENTIA the trio of bloody butchers Enver-Cemal-Talaat, had managed to escape Turkish tribunal by fleeing the country. So please remember that "damage control" on your part will not be tolerated by those that seek to bring to justice the First Genocide of the XXth Century. This is a fact that is not even going to be discussed you will not be given a scholarly respect anywhere accept in Turkish University, run by the military/government if you try to deny the Armenian Genocide. I hope you know this Osman before making further comments of peace and friendship. Peace and Friendship must be built on Good Will, Truth and Justice. Interanational Community has condemned Turkey for its ongoing Denial of the Armenian Genocide. EU has particularly outlined its affirmation that one of the conditions of entry into EU is the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the Denier - Turkey. I hope you really have an open mind as you say you do. Humanity needs Turks like you desperately. The world of the 21st Century does not need people like run the military junta "security council" that administers the faith of Turkey and Turks. Thank you.
signed on Sunday, the 08. of April 2001 at 00:12:44
Well, I guess everybody said what he thinks. We wont be able to change anybodys ideas from now on. I am glad that noone is swearing at each other like dogs in the end.
About Turkey, I think your evaluations are somewhat harsh. I dont want to talk about it here, I am sure its not the intention of the webmaster. Yet to mention briefly, I guess you can understand the current situation better if you first understand certain values we have. Pride is one, for instance. History is another. Yes, they dont teach the bad sides of our history in high school, but again not many countries are ready to do that anyway. It depends on the nations values really. Europes values are human rights and stuff, so they are open in many subjects. Yet, I think the European society lacks the dynamism you would see in the US because of that. The US, well, all they care about is money. But again its their nature. You cant blame them because they want to be rich, although they make others suffer sometimes. Arabs are a different story. All they care about is religion. Well, you have to be a Turk though to understand what it is like. Hatred, is something we dont have both in personal and national level. I am sure Turkey would love to be in better relations with any country. I am sorry that Russians feel the way they do. But you see, pride is very important for us. Invade a Turkish post and take down the flag. Thats it. Turks are going to fight you to the end.. I dont know. Just try to look at things more broadly. Youll find we have a lot in common. Turks lived with Armenians in the same country for centuries. I dont believe there is much difference anyway. Try to see though Turkey as the only modern Muslim country. In this materialist world, full of hatred, there are no true allies to Turks. Not even Turkmens or Kazaks or Arabs.(YET WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM AS BROTHERS) Its not easy. Still, the future is bright. I think our values are the right ones to survive. Think about Armenia yourself too. Compare it with others. Youll understand one day that this hatred is for nothing. The sooner you do, the faster the humanity will develop. Its true for your everyday life too. Dont live to dominate. Even when writing things here, try to get something from the other side. Dont always try to make the other side look like an idiot. You wont be able to do it most of the time and youll fight like babies. And I am not part of a minority among Turks. I know it, you should too.
PEACE IN MY COUNTRY, PEACE IN THE WORLD
LONG LIVE NORTH CYPRUS, TURKEY AND ARMENIA
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 23:00:45
Osman:
Your double majoring in management and economics does NOT excuse you from knowing history, at least in order to propose an "Armenian-Turkish alliance"… Artashes has told you EXPLICITELY what I tried to convey: NO NORMAL RELATIONS ARE POSSIBLE UNTIL ALL ISSUES OF PREVIOUSLY DONE ATROCITIES ARE RESOLVED! Period. In other words: apology – first, then will think of establishment of ANY economic ties.
Second, if you refer to me as the one who makes generalizations, it only indicates that you read no damn out of any of my previous posting: even a somewhat sagacious person would find that generalization is what I have always STRONGLY opposed myself to. Why not scroll down and see my and Artashes’ [from one side] debates with Nemesis [the other side]? Allies sometimes have arguments too…
Third – Kemalism and Hitlerism are the SAME to me. And, in my turn, I am pleased to say that you do not look like a Kemalist to me. The first civilized opponent on this web site. However, do NOT say that I "cannot compare the Jewish genocide in Germany with the case of Turkey-Armenia." This is WRONG! I have a right to do so, just like you have a right to claim your family also suffered persecution…
As for your statement: "Difference in political views are not a measure of friendship and love," I agree. I myself have some Turkish friends, and I have a really good German friend, in spite of the fact that my grandmother survived Nazi occupation.
And when I criticize, or even castigate someone, that does not ALWAYS mean that I loath him (her) or even angry with the person.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 22:07:10
Turkish history began in Central Asia.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 20:48:50
++About the MIT business, I only wanted to show that I am not a "high school drop out".
++I protest the generalisations artashes makes or implies about the Turkish nature. Especially there are much more to be found written by other people when one scrolls down. I am myself proud to be a Turk.
++I am not surprised that other Turks did not show the patience to reply to your agressive comments in a human way.
++I dont have anything to say about the current economic failure of Turkey. And I dont like the current militarist, conservative rule either. But the old-minded people will continue to rule Turkey as long as you and others continue to be hostile and give sources for them to deceive the ordinary people. I am going to go back to my country to make it advance unlike others who stay in developed countries to make more money (most of them). My hopes are endless..
++I personally dont believe that the events you keep complaining about were serious enough to be called "genocide". Sorry for not making this clear before. I didnt want to come to this point.
In any case though, please do extensive research considering documents of the time from BOTH sides, before making comments about this. I personally have done no research on that. I know it hurts when I say there was no such genocide, but know that it hurts also when you claim that there was a genocide by barbaric Turks.
++About the economic partnership between Turks and Armenians, I dont get your point. For instance, Cypriots got over this. Each side is struggling for more political power in the future mutual government; not for making the other side apologise. So try to be open! I dont go to China to ask for an apology about why they made us emigrate to the west. Nor do I go to Greece or South Cyprus to ask for an apology for all the people they killed in 1960s.
++My conclusion is: I dont give a shit about Armenia. George Bush doesnt give a shit about the "genocide" either. Just like he doesnt give a shit about TRNC. We, Turks, know the rules. We've had a great empire recently and honestly, we are masters of politics. You are on the wrong way. Armenian propaganda is so intense that your emotions and desires to take some kind of revenge is blurring your logic. Thats not going to help you though in the future. So make the damn trade with Turkey, so that you have a chance to rule over Turkey one day. What else can I say? Dont behave like babies crying to the US for anything.
It wont give you anything because you deserve it.
AND.. dont see me as a unhuman barbarian. If you think you are a very open-minded and modern nation, then think of the next century when there wont be any nationalism left.
++I hope you can take this all. It is bitter but it is the truth. I can count many troubles that the dominance of the US brings over poor countries. So what? Sooooo what? Should we all sit and cry and complain? Turkey and Greece is now in an arms race. Who has more planes? Who has more tanks? Guess who is selling all the arms. I bet you know. And think of all the money that goes to the arms that could have benn spent for human rights and schools and all the other social services..
So, I hope I succeeded in enlightening this small group of Armenians at least a little bit. PLease value my ideas. I do value yours. I just want to ask you to turn your heads a little bit look around the corner. The world is bitter.
Osman
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 20:47:40
To Osman:
I just read your latest posting. Unfortunately, your generals, and your ministers do not think the way you do... Which is because, I think, you're in minority in Turkey. Anyway, your personal attitude is clear. I appreciate your honesty.
P.S. Just a little correction: Armenian history is longer than Turkish not by a couple of centuries (at least if we're talking about the history in Asia Minor), but by a couple of millenia. Just to be precise with the facts.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 19:47:24
To Osman:
I just read your latest posting. Unfortunately, your generals, and your ministers do not think the way you do... Which is because, I think, you're in minority in Turkey. Anyway, your personal attitude is clear. I appreciate your honesty.
P.S. Just a little correction: Armenian history is longer than Turkish not by a couple of centuries (at least if we're talking about the history in Asia Minor), but by a couple of millenia. Just to be precise with the facts.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 19:46:57
To Osman:
First of all, about the MIT’s reputation that you’re so eager to advertise. With all my due respect to the great school, being an MIT undergrad (if it’s in fact so) doesn’t mean absolutely anything about your abilities. So let’s not discuss your transcript or references from your instructors.
Personally, I knew an engineering graduate from MIT (few years back), and the only knowledge he had was … that he got his B.S. from the MIT. “Fast but useless fish can sometimes pass through tough net”. This is as much as your using third party’s name to boost your own reputation.
However, I appreciate your trying to be “within the limits of decency” since NOT A SINGLE TURK or AZERI in this guestbook bothered to respect that. Besides, you seem to be a person that is somewhat aware of the state of human rights evolution in Turkey. To use some of your own quotes:
“Knowing the nature of Turks, I bet Turkey wont ever accept those genocide claims…”
"Turks are bastards, Turkish Lira sucks, Turks kill people, Turks know nothing about democracy, Turks do not accept their international crimes, Turkish economy is a disaster, There is no Turkish country in Cyprus..."
First of all, I wouldn’t generalize that badly about the Turks (if you scroll down this site to some of my earlier writings, you would see that I find it extremely important to differentiate between individual people) – I have a couple of close Turkish friends. But speaking of friends, the first or second conversation I had with them was about Armenians and Turks and what happened 85 years ago. Both of the guys agreed that what Turkey did and still does with respect to that issue was absolutely wrong. Our friendship has commenced at that moment. This brings me to why your argument on the recognition of the Genocide is mildly-speaking wrong! Let’s not waste resources on that but instead better our economic ties – is that what you’re saying? Hey, you (generic “you”) mean you can take over my house in Western Armenia, kill my grandfather and young uncles, send the rest to Syria across the desert, and then come back to me 85 years later, look into my eyes and discuss economic cooperation by telling me that you can’t apologize because you have a weird nature? I don’t know what you believe in, but I am certain that neither Islam not any other religion will endorse your hypocrisy. Think of this situation.
How many Turks have gone to bed with clean conscience after those days? I know a Turk that went all the way from Adana to Beirut to finally BUY the house he was living in from the Armenians that used to own it! After 70 years! You call this a waste of time? I call it “save you sinful soul”!
Finally concerning Armenia and its current economic and political situation. What can you expect from a country that has lived through several shocks in just 10 years: collapse of the Soviet “garbage”, war with the neighbor, blockade from yet another neighbor…
Armenia, “the silicon valley of the Soviet Union” had all its industry working for the USSR!
Use your SAT scores, read more about what happened… And remember, it’s been just 10 years!
Now look at your mainland – quasi-military regime, terribly volatile macroeconomic situation, human rights mess, and that’s for how long? You do the math…
You’re right that in hostility both sides lose… But, if I ever make another Turk my friend, or if I sign a business contract with one, we should be clear with each other on the issue of Genocide (at least as long as the ruling regime of Turkey does not acknowledge its bloody past publicly). You can’t have cooperation when you don’t share common basic principles, at least not here, in Europe or any another civilized place…
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 19:35:02
OK, thats it. You bored me to death. Here is what I feel:
++I dont feel like all you are asking for is an apology from Turkey. If thats it, I honestly apologise, as a Turkish Cypriot, but I can NEVER EVER accept your typical Turk generalisations. I hope that the souls of both Muslim and Christian victims rest in peace.
Yet, you should also note that there have been a genocide attempt against Turkish Cypriots only thirty years ago by Christian Cypriot Greeks. We are still suffering because "the world" thinks Turkey should have respected The Republic of Cyprus, and let Cypriot Greeks dominate the whole island. My grandfather still tells stories about how he managed to survive through countless events. Many were not so lucky. My father even fought against Greek Cypriots in the war at the age of 15. He told all about how he and three others would go to hold a street and fire without aiming just to keep Greeks away without hurting anybody. Yet many Turkish villages fell to Greeks and were slaughtered or made to suffer terribly.
Honestly, I dont hate Greek Cypriots. I am even going to a bicommunal camp in August to meet some. And, most Turkish Cypriots feel the same way I do, whether you believe or not. So whats your problem? Are you the only community who suffered deaths? Besides, Armenians were also cooperating with Russia at the time. What did you expect from a worn-out, stressed, overwhelmed Ottoman administration and an unpaid, out-of-date army? All powerful countries were against Turks at the time. Honestly, there was no patience for Armenians looking for a chance to get some piece of land. So I dont blame Abdulhamid. Still, though, I apologise. Ottoman Empire should never have fallen to such a hopeless situation and should have continued to dominate and protect its subjects.
++I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ECONOMICS ALL THE WAY THROUGH. Armenia is in desperate economic situation. It is undeveloped just like tens of others. You need to seek trade partners and friends, NOT ENEMIES, if you want to develop your industry and become a decent country. I just recommended you and likes of you to stop humiliating a nation with such long history ( I dont care if yours is a couple of centuries longer), and try to find ways of cooperating in favour of both as any other two neighbor countries should do. Because The semi-humans you keep talking about do not nurse a grudge about any nation but they are proud indeed. I mentioned the extreme case of alliance between Turkey and Armenia, just because I believe its possible. Just like alliance between Turkey and Greece. Or.. Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. I dont blame Chinese either just because they made my ancestors emigrate to the west. Actually I am thankful to them because I am living in the heaven called Cyprus because of them. To be serious, I see it as a part of history, a quite natural thing that happened to many including Armenia. I am not going to aplogize because Turkey is in the place of old Armenia. I dont care, you should not either. Just try to make the best of what you have.
++By "give it to Armenia", I meant "funding industrial projects and schools(Antranik)" or making investments in Armenia, so that money enters the Armenian market. I am sorry if it means anything else, I dont claim to be a master of the English language.
++"I dont think such a big international campaign can otherwise be supported."
YES, how do you think it is supported? The politicians of foreign countries who do not care about Armenia or Turkey decide to do a favor to the fellow Armenians?? I dont think so. Everybody knows that there are strong Jewish, Armenian and Greek lobbies in the USA. Why is there no Turkish lobby in Germany? There are two million Turks there. Because there is no funding for that purpose. Who supplies that funding? Well, I dont personally know what the structure of those lobbies are. It comes out somebodies pocket though!
++I am not a religious person. I am a good person, and I will go to heaven if there is any such place. You cannot comment about how I use Allah's or God's or Lord's name - call it whatever you like.
++I would like to ask you stop making analogies with Hitler. Turkey became Germany's ally in WW1 before Germany had any genocide ambitions. And Turkey did not get involved in WW2, because Turkey's current policy believes in peace whenever its possible. You might know that the siding of Ottoman Empire with Germany in WW1 was one last hope to recover lost lands.
Besides, you cannot compare the Jewish genocide in Germany with the case of Turkey-Armenia. All the world knows about Nazis, but only France seems to know about "Armenian genocide" in outside world. Please dont tell me now that its exactly the same thing or Ill start laughing on this chair.
++I dont know what you mean by %15 bla bla.
++I dont feel that there is any other comment you made that's worth to talk about. Because you made me remember my first posting, I want to recommend you again the book called "Ottoman Centuries : The Rise and Fall of the Turkish Empire" by Lord Kinross. The writer is not a Turk lover. In fact he mentions many of the negative points you pointed out about Turkey. Read the comments from amazon.com if you like.
++I dont like people giving me grades. I am management/economics double major, and I am sick and tired of people who simply give As and Bs to your hours of work.
++As the last point I want to remind you of the economical point of view I keep looking from. Personal memories and emotions usually blurr one's mind.
Take care and dont be so angry with me. Difference in political views are not a measure of friendship and love.
Osman
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 18:56:48
To Osman:
First of all, have you ever seen a Ph.D. bow before an MIT undergrad? I did not "swear" (the way you prefer to put it) at you only because you AT LEAST do not behave like your ally "15% ...Citizen," but not because you are SELF-ALLEGEDLY "from MIT." That’s all about my treatment.
Now, the more you write the less it looks convincing that you are really an MIT student. I can’t believe such outstanding school has degenerated to recruit students with such level of knowledge of History. Believe it or not, even the worst of my "C-students" (I’m too merciful to give them the deserved "D"s and "F"s) would NEVER come up with such a monstrously idiotic idea… I’d have had them kicked out from school, not for just "disagreeing", but for a PURELY PEGADOGICAL REASON: once a person can even THINK of an idea of the same grade as the one you brought up (like "alliance" between Armenia and Turkey), he (or she) is UNQUALIFIED for ANY UNIVERSITY DEGREE!!! You still haven’t answered me: will you suggest that "the Jews should ally with the Neo-Nazis"? You know, if you happen to take an International Policy class, BEWARE your instructor or TA sees your posting and figures out whom it came from…
All right, let’s get closer to your "point" from the message addressed to Antranik.
"This is true for Armenia and all other countries including mine. In the case of Armenia,
though, most of the Armenians living abroad seem to be spending money for these genocide campaigns all over the world rather than give it to Armenia."
Operating with such PRIMITIVE statement "give it to Armenia" indeed makes me (and perhaps other people) think that you are lying about your MIT scholarship, and in fact you turn out to be what you’ve been called. What do you mean "give [money] to Armenia"??? Split evenly between the inhabitants of the country???
"I dont think such a big international campaign can otherwise be supported."
Proof??? Or do you wish to sound just like the "Ordinary…" who appeared here lately?
"Yet I still believe that these efforts are all unnecessary. "
Do the efforts invested in recognition of the Jewish Holocaust appear to you unnecessary as well? If not, why are the Jews better than Armenians (or vice-versa)???
"Knowing the nature of Turks, I bet Turkey wont ever accept those genocide claims,
and will not ever give its lands peacefully either. "
Absolutely agree with you about that! However, my question to you is: does the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the Ottoman Turks in 1915-1923 have a purpose to force Turkey give up ANY part of its territory? The Armenian president once stated: all we want from Turkey is apology. However, as I already stated to Selim, there is probably even NO SUCH WORD in Turkish language as "apology"…
"All these campaigns will ever do is to humiliate and alienate Turkey."
It deserves it 100 times!!! And this is not the limit of WHAT the filthy Turks should have had fallen on their heads!!! You already know my opinion on this account.
"Turkey will sure find something to give harm to Armenia as a result - restrictions in trade, or counter propoganda. Both and Armenia will lose in the end."
Listen, in the second half of 1940 England was lying under permanent threat of German invasion, under constant Luftwaffe air strikes, and devastating U-boats attack on supplies sea-shipping. And Britain MANAGED to endure all of it!!! What makes you think that Armenia won’t endure FAR LESS active hostilities? If you say "the USA were helping England," I will simply ask: "Why would Russia not be helping Armenia then?" Russia is not much more loyal to Turkey now than the USA were to Nazi Germany in 1940.
Both Britain and Germany were suffering. Was it a right idea to make peace? Hitler offered terms through Ribbentropp; Churchill declined them WITHOUT even reading. Was Churchill wrong having chosen to keep "defying the tyrant," even though both countries were suffering "losses"?
Overall:
You are totally INCONSISTENT with your intentions, or at least with your promises. In your very first message you declared you would never access the website again. However, Artashes was one hundred percent correct saying: "I am pretty sure you'll be back to, at least, read your wonderful piece over…" Why not learn to keep your word?
As for you "mentioned the name of Allah to tease you and other incompetent "debaters" who replied," if you really believe in God, you have done FOR THE WRONG to Him, at least as it appears to me. This will be true from either Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
As for my and other[s’] "incompetence,", so far I have not noticed you give ANY proof of our "improfessionalism," whereas every time I point out your faults I provide at least SOME proof or supporting evidence.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 16:54:03
++We are talking about Armenia, so I wont defend Turkey; or reply to any comments about Turkey.
++Turkey would not bother to attack Armenia, there is nothing of ANY interest in Armenia for Turkey.
I believe that replies all your writing.
You miss my point(I want to repeat it for the specialists): Armenia should work to better its economy; NOT find enemies for itself, which is going to make economic development even harder.
Please read my previous posting to see what I think about Armenian development chances.
I wont reply to all that Russia's hatred and stuff. That's not what I am talking about. You seem to be very eager to attack Turks and emphasize "Turkish failures". However, this is not WHAT WE ARE DEBATING ON.
**I mentioned the name of Allah to tease you and other incompetent "debaters" who replied.
**I delightfully see that you tried hard to keep yourself from swearing after hearing MIT's name.
with love
Osman
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 15:17:13
To Osman:
I have read both of your postings appeared after my previous messages. So far so good, at least observing your endeavor to keep yourself a civilized discussion participant, unlike some other of our opponents, but being an MIT student, can one come up with such a ridiculous idea of Armenia forming an alliance (!) with Turkey? Will you also suggest that the Hebrew Congregation of Germany forms an "alliance" with Neo-Nazis???
You complain so bitterly that you are being "sworn" at. So far I haven't noticed it. Well, fear this not from me as long as you abide within the frontiers of conventional manners of a civilized communication. The worst expression I have addressed to you so far is "a high school drop". I am afraid, however, that I was just MAKING such assumption: only a person at such level can make such an absurd admonishment to the Armenians as "ally yourself with Turkey." If you do not wish to be referred as a high school drop, simply DO NOT ACT AS ONE.
I do not understand what you mean by "I don't defend Turkey". In fact, it does not look like you bothered to read the posting I referred you to in my previous message. If you had done so it would have helped you understand WHAT I meant to say, thus you would not come up with ignorant comments you work so hard to fill the web site with. A person with a Ph.D. would hardly suggest that Russia would dare use nuclear weapons first. The scenario I was talking about (and does not look like you read it) was TURKEY ATTACKS ARMENIA FIRST. Thereby NATO protection of Turkey is revoked (the protection is valid IF AND ONLY IF a NATO full member UNDERGOES an UNPROVOKED aggression). Russia, according to the treaty with Armenia, immediately declares war on Turkey, and … the only best weapons economically suffering (as you CORRECTLY pointed out) Russian military is left with are NUCLEAR weapons. No matter how modernized and possibly superior (to Russian) Turkish army is, just several obsolete Russian nuclear bombs (not even missiles) produced in even as early as 1950's will annihilate it ALL. And it will most likely be a pleasure for the Russians to take such a chance. Let me explain to you why I believe so…
You should know that until the 20th century Turkey had been the WORST of Russian enemies. Just read history books if you are not aware of that. In the WWI the objective the Russians were pursuing was a TOTAL destruction of the Ottoman Empire followed by the annexation by Russian Empire of Constantinople (for you it's Istanbul), all land surrounding Bosphore and Dardanellas, and ALL Armenian lands (the ENTIRE territory of Great Armenia which existed LONG before the Mongols and the Seljuc Turks came along). The rest of Turkey was to be split between Britain, France, and Greece. Alas, the Bolshevik Revolution prevented Russia from winning the war. However, Britain and Greece still had the chance they unluckily forfeited in 1920. Personally, I regret it.
In the closing stage of the WWII Stalin SEVERAL TIMES expressed his regret to Churchill that Turkey had not entered the war on German side. And I am sure if Stalin's hopes had come true there would be no Turkey in the modern World. I know many people from Russia, and therefore I hereby state that even now many Russians hate, or at least have SERIOUS prejudges against the Turks; I assure you! Russian Parliament passed the Armenian Genocide bill as early as 1995! RUSSIA HATES TURKEY. Period. This is the point that I keep trying to prove to you, supplying all facts possible. Please, ABSTAIN from looking like a moron (this does not mean to insult you, sorry if it did).
Turkey is UNFORTUNATE to have no nuclear weapons, and it makes me PERSONALLY happy. I say "unfortunate" because Turkey is most probably EAGER to posses nuclears! But Turkey is NOT France or England, and not even such a "degenerate" (in Turkish, perhaps, understanding) like Russia, China, India. The Turks despise the latter three, considering themselves "the best of the Europeans", but the question comes over and over again: IF YOU ARE SO SMART, WHY ARE YOU SO POOR??? If you are better than, for example, Russia, how come the latter developed nuclear weapons as early as 1949, and Turkey NEVER did? Even if we are to leave this issue aside, can you name at least a single Turkish Nobel Prize winner in Science?
In the end you say: "I hope that Allah will forgive you one day." Whom do you refer to? In fact, what makes you so confident that your own does not need any forgiveness, at least from God (you call Him Allah, however, whether you like it or not, comply or disagree, I would rather point out we are talking about EXACTLY the same Lord).
Go to you history class, especially if this pertains ANYHOW to you studies. As a specialist, I strongly suggest that you work hard to amplify your knowledge, at least a little bit, for looks like you have NONE. And I have neither time nor even desire to teach you.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 14:04:27
Dear Antranik
I want to thank you for respecting, and answering my posting. Unfortuantely, many people are emigrating with hopes of a better future. That's true for North Cyprus too. Yet, I dont belive that is the true thing to do until there is no other chance - for instance in case of war. My point was just to emphasize the intensity of the emigrations in Armenia. Turkey's population is rising. So is the population of North Cyprus despite emigrations. Therefore, I wanted to point out that there are more important things to worry about than asking for lands of other countries hopelessly. What is more, the continuing genocide campaign is hurting the Armenia-Turkey relations. I believe that Turkey would otherwise take a big role in the development of Armenia both as a trade partner and also as an ally. Turks have no personal problems with Armenians; many Armenians are still living in Istanbul or other places.
There is a second thing I want to point out about people living their country for better living standards or may be more money or other reasons. I believe that each and every one of them would be much more helpful to their country by staying and doing something inside. This is true for Armenia and all other countries including mine. In the case of Armenia, though, most of the Armenians living abroad seem to be spending money for these genocide campaigns all over the world rather than give it to Armenia. I dont think such a big international campaign can otherwise be supported. Yet I still believe that these efforts are all unnecessary. Knowing the nature of Turks, I bet Turkey wont ever accept those genocide claims, and will not ever give its lands peacefully either. All these campaigns will ever do is to humiliate and alienate Turkey. Turkey will sure find something to give harm to Armenia as a result - restrictions in trade, or counter propoganda. Both Turkey and Armenia will lose in the end.
Osman
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 12:26:37
To Osman,
Currently, the plight of Armenia is well known to us all. But what you say about people leaving Armenia applies to many of the worlds nations as well, be it Iran (many in California), Russia, the Irish, and Turkey. In my opinion it is human nature to leave to seek better oportunities elsewhere or to better provide for your family. Afterall, we can see this is all diasporas around the world which includes the 2 million Turks in Germany. Why did these people not stay and build a better Turkey? Even you left to go to school abroad. So the people leaving Armenia cannot be blamed, I mean we can equally help Armenia from the outside by funding industrial projects and schools. We equally help from the outside. It will take some time to adjust but it will happen. If Armenia had an outlet to the sea and wasn't blockaded then things may have been different since there would be open trade routes and the economy would have been working better than what it has. As another example look at the Irish. For centuries they have left Ireland in the thousands since there was nothing there for them, but, they have begun to return since the people that remained have turned things around. Is this far fetched for Armenians as well?
There are other topics that I would like to engage in but I will await your response for the argument above.
Antranik
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 11:56:09
++We are talking about Armenia, so I wont defend Turkey; or reply to any comments about Turkey.
++Russia currently has no economic power to make war with Turkey.
++With American military posts all over Turkey, Russia would not dare to send any nuclear bombs to Turkey.
++Turkey would not bother to attack Armenia, there is nothing of ANY interest in Armenia for Turkey.
++Turkey does not have to attack Armenia to make it suffer; limitations in trade is enough.
++The statistics I have given can be found at http://www.cia.gov/.
++I am not a high school drop. I am actually a Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) student.
++None of the fools who keep swearing at me can enter MIT even if they study SAT and TOEFL for the next twenty years.
++I would like to emphasize the importance of living in and working for Armenia to those fools that dared to reply to my postings.
++TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS is much more democratic and has much more military power than Armenia. I invite all of you to come and check it up before starting swearing like morons.
++Anybody who is going to reply to this posting: Please give relevant argumaents. For instance WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE DETERIORATION OF ARMENIA?
++I want to remind you that I have not sweared to any of you yet. This shows my democratic nature and your incompetency in debates.
++I want to repeat the statistics I have given before:
Population growth rate: -0.28% (2000 est.)
Net migration rate: -4.23 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2000 est.)
Population below poverty line: 45% (1999 est.)
Unemployment rate: 20% (1998 est., official)
( FROM http://www.cia.gov/ )
++This is a comment from the same (CIA) site:
Under the old Soviet central planning system, Armenia had developed a modern industrial sector, supplying machine tools, textiles, and other manufactured goods to sister republics in exchange for raw materials and energy. Since the implosion of the USSR in December 1991, Armenia has switched to small-scale agriculture away from the large agroindustrial complexes of the Soviet era. The agricultural sector has long-term needs for more investment and updated technology. The privatization of industry has been at a slower pace, but has been given renewed emphasis by the current administration. Armenia is a FOOD IMPORTER.
++So far I have forgiven the swears to myself. From now on I will start to reply and locate anyone who dares to once again swear at me.( I guess you can guess what MIT students are capable of )
++Give resources of any arguments you will make; otherwise I will ignore them.
++I hope that Allah will forgive you one day.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 00:47:50
We are talking about Armenia, so I wont defend Turkey.
Russia currently has no economic power to make war with Turkey.
With American military posts all over Turkey, Russia would not dare to send any nuclear bombs to Turkey.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of April 2001 at 00:19:34
Dear Osman,
Please think for a minute how funny you would look,
when everyone in the world start to recognize the
armenian genocide. If you were kind and educated
enough, you would be more constructive with your approach to armenians
instead of trashing yourself in this forum like a fool.
Please accept my sincere apology for referring you
as such(...), but judging from your writings, one can
hardly reach to any other conclusion.
signed on Friday, the 06. of April 2001 at 22:34:41
Just in case, a little remark: "the pretender naming himself 'artashes'" I refer in my previous message to is the stinking reprobate who posted the following message:
"I am an idiot, sorry ppl" on Thursday, April 5, 2001 at 19:01:11, and signed his name "artashes - seattle, usa". The real Artashes had refuted the "copyright" before I made the immediate posting.
To Osman:
First of all, WHO the hell on earth told you the Armenians hate the Russians??? Russia is so far the ONLY military ally of the Republic of Armenia, and as I wrote before (if you please, see, for example, my posting of Saturday, March 24, 2001, signed at 12:21:36, and all references therein), if Turkey dare attack Armenia, the population of Ankara will probably perish in the atomic weapon fire, like it happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945… This time this will be a Russian nuclear strike.
Second, you have given such an "ample" demographics of Armenia. Assuming it's true (which I seriously doubt; it may have been taken from one of Turkish sources I have my own opinion of), how about your country? Give at least SOME example to compare Armenian "pathetic" (in your words) situation to. By the way, how is Turkish 'lira' doing?
Your ignorance glows like a sunshine, therefore just GET LOST, unless you enjoy demonstrating your miserable background. You must be a high school drop, just like your Azeri partisan, our famous "15% …Citizen."
signed on Friday, the 06. of April 2001 at 18:23:57
To the pretender naming himself "artashes":
Listen, the most odious being who has ever accessed this website, I won't talk about ethics, moral, honesty, etc. These categories are FAR beyond your wretched personality to abide. ALL that you have to know that you are the PETTIEST of all cowards I have ever known. Just note that NONE of WEAK Armenians and their supporters writing on this website has ever run onto such an ignoble deed. This means they are AT LEAST less idiotic than your own, does it not?!! I BET you will dare not disclose your name, for you are too vile and villain in your nature that words like "courage" and "responsibility" mean to you "stupidity" and "fake". Puny swine, that's who you are!
To the webmaster:
In my posting of March 30., 2001, I referred B'nai B'rith as FILTHY personality. The capitalized adjective mysteriously disappeared from my posting. I can't help appreciating extending and amplifying [with facts] some of my statements, I thank you very much, but please, do NOT remove anything that I MEAN to say. The issue above was EXACTLY the case, for I loath ANY Holocaust deniers, NO MATTER what origin they have and what motivation they find for an excuse (in particular, the current political situation in the Middle East), for regarding any justification for recognizing the Jewish Holocaust and neglecting the Armenian Holocaust there is NONE!
REGARDLESS ANY POLITICAL SITUATIONS THE JUSTICE MUST BE BROUGHT TO TRIUMPH BY ALL POSSIBLE MEANS!
And ANY person (just whoever: a Turk, a Jew, or even an Armenian, ANY other), regardless his/her position or duty, who states that the Armenian Holocaust is fake, in my eyes FULLY deserves the adjective "filthy" to be characterized by.
signed on Friday, the 06. of April 2001 at 17:17:04
Dear Armenians
"Turks are bastards, Turkish Lira sucks, Turks kill people, Turks know nothing about democracy, Turks do not accept their international crimes, Turkish economy is a disaster, There is no Turkish country in Cyprus..."
SO WHAT?
This site is about Armenia. And Armenia is deteriorating. People are fleeing. I am sure many would love to live in Turkey or Cyprus. CIA's figures are:
Population growth rate: -0.28% (2000 est.)
Net migration rate: -4.23 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2000 est.)
Population below poverty line: 45% (1999 est.)
Unemployment rate: 20% (1998 est., official)
Why do you have Armenians everywhere in the world? Because there is no country for them worth to live in. Why dont you people go and live in Armenia? Do you think you contribute to Armenia's welfare working for the US? Go there and produce something. Teach what you see in the US. Contribute to the welfare of Armenia instead of making more enemies for it.
So you hate Turks, you hate Russians, you hate Azeris, you want to kill them bla bla bla. Those of you who know anything about Armenia is fully aware that Armenia is surrounded by Turkey and Russia and Azerbaijan. So who are you going to trade with? Who are you going to ally with? You believe that three and a half million miserable "below poverty line" Armenians are enough to survive there? You should ask Turkey for alliance!
Those who dared to swear to me, I dont know what to say.
signed on Friday, the 06. of April 2001 at 15:45:08
ATTENTION TO THE WEBMASTER!!!!!!!
Some offspring of a retard has used my name and address to post a message dated Thursday, the 05. of April 2001 at 19:01:11.
Please remove it ASAP.
To the Moron responsible for this sabotage!!!
Listen, desperate loser, you don't have any comments on the news from the shithole named Turkey, do you?
Join your brothers and partners, get the hell out of this site.
Or at least have the courage (I think I ask an impossible from a pathetic Turkish son of a bitch) to use your name...
signed on Friday, the 06. of April 2001 at 13:07:22
This is a GREAT website. Very informative and cultural!
signed on Friday, the 06. of April 2001 at 00:11:40
I am an idiot, sorry ppl
signed on Thursday, the 05. of April 2001 at 19:01:11
To Osman (I pretty sure you'll be back to, at least, read your wonderful piece over),
As the text below just shows that blood-thirsty godless bastards like you can acquire more peace-loving conditioned reflexes
if one controls their appetite, in this case the appetite for Europe (I think this is even more applicable to the Turks that feed on pastures of Cyprus)
Thanks to Pavlov -- humanity has enough knowledge on training wild animals...
And please refrain from recommending books by intellectuals whores such as Justin McCarthy and other "friends" of Turkish people -- no need for your cheap propaganda campaign on this site.
Turkey Acquits Orthodox Priest Over Pro-Armenian
Remarks
DIYARBAKIR, Apr 5, 2001 -- (Agence France Presse) A state security
court Thursday acquitted a Christian Orthodox priest over remarks he made
supporting a move by U.S. legislators to recognize as genocide the killings of
Armenians by Ottoman Turks.
The priest, Yusuf Akbulut, who heads a Syriac Orthodox church in the
southeastern city of Diyarbakir, was charged with "inciting hatred among the
people on the basis of religious differences," an offense that carries a jail term
of up to three years.
But the judge acquitted the defendant, saying the remarks he made in a press
interview should be seen in the context of freedom of expression.
The ruling was greeted with ovations in the courtroom, where a number of
German and Swedish parliamentarians were present.
signed on Thursday, the 05. of April 2001 at 17:31:01
...and fourth, you have no country. Anatolia does not belong to you and you have been kicked out of Central Asia and Mongolia.
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of April 2001 at 18:20:07
Body... first of all there is no country called "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" second you have no credibility to recommend any books, third do not talk about 40%, we just saw what happened to the Turkish-lira.
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of April 2001 at 18:18:40
Dear Armenians
I would like to recommend you "Ottoman Centuries : The Rise and Fall of the Turkish Empire"(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688080936/o/qid=986429326/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/103-3772461-6239863) by Lord Kinross and other resources by objective writers. History in your point of view may not always be the truth. Please do not swear at me because I won't bother checking this up again.
Also, one more political tip for you guys: The only friends of Turks are Turks; and the only friends of Armenians are Armenians. Don't cry to the US to give you land. You can't even make anything out of what you have. There is almost 40% unemployment in Armenia.
PEACE IN MY COUNTRY, PEACE IN THE WORLD
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of April 2001 at 17:16:29
To Artashes
The only reason I'm leaving messages on this
board is because I can't contact the operators of
this board in private. I don't have an e-mail adress,
therfore this is the only way I can get their attention.
I just realize now that it was a mistake to post
here and I want my posts removed because I don't
want anymore people to call me names.For example,
when you just called me immature.I was in no way
rude to you when I replyed to your post, yet you
feel free to put me down.
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of April 2001 at 19:41:49
Fritunantus - Miami, USA!!! Armenia
Man this is a cool forum for posting Armenian messages, I love it!! Viva Armenia, I have many Armenian friends and I believe that if the
Jews got reparations for their pain and suffering then so do the Armenians damn it!!! So pay up Bulent or Bullshit or whatever your name is!?!?! Besides the Christians in the middle east have been
getting it up the ass for years because we chicken out and screw each other over
minutiae...Come on Armenians...(I'm not an Armenian) You finally have an (independent) country again after so many years....Give it all you got!! Remembering that Jesus is our lord and that Mohamed should have a beer and a ham sandwich!!! Boy are they good....
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of April 2001 at 18:44:17
Sarkis Nazaryan - Little Armenia, LA, US
Since the guestbook has fundamentally evolved into a message board and
some of our guests have raised the concern that they would like to post comments
relating to the Chronicle we have decided to create a distinct message board
where you are welcomed to exchange your thoughts and ideas regardless of our own
position to various issues. We would like everyone to restrain from the
usage of foul language which is not tolerated at the Armenian Enlightenment
Chronicle. We hope that the exchange of ideas will continue at the new message
board. We encourage everyone to engage in scholarly, factual dialogue and debate
and refrain from personal insults, attacks and name calling. We would also like
to thank those of you that academically engaged herself or himself in upholding
truth and justice. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Sarkis Nazaryan
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of April 2001 at 18:12:11
To the Turkish Citizen from a geographical misnomer "Turkey":
Listen, Moron,
I don't know if on Turkish maps the equator and the Greenwich longitude both pass through the mausoleum of Mr. (S.O.B.) M. Kemal, but this is what the civilized world knows about Turkish geography:
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ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=9630
Armenian Highland
Russian Armyanskoye Nagorye, also spelled Arm'anskoje Nagor'e, mountainous region
of Transcaucasia. It lies mainly in Turkey, occupies all of Armenia, and includes southern
Georgia, western Azerbaijan, and northwestern Iran. The highland covers almost 154,400
square miles (400,000 square km). The average elevation of the Armenian Highland is
5,000 to 6,500 feet (1,500 to 2,000 m), but several peaks exceed 14,000 feet (4,000 m).
The highland is a segment of the Mediterranean alpine volcanic zone of folding and has a
subtropical continental climate. It is rich in minerals including chromite, gold, and iron.
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So, perhaps it's time for the mentally-abused brothers of yours to switch from the "famous" Turkish textbooks to smth. more sensible.
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of April 2001 at 18:02:11
To "a":
I was gonna join you in your persistent request to the webmaster to remove your postings from this website, since I have a strong feeling that a concept of an argument is avoiding your understanding.
"They called me a Turk!.." so what? In 1915 Turks were burning people alive!
Is this a reason to give up? Maybe for very few...
However, I think postings become a property of this board once they are there.
Nothing is forgotten by deleting things, at least, outside Turkey.
So grow up! Learn to stand for what you do, it's never late.
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of April 2001 at 17:44:59
To Artashes,
I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but I was very taken aback by the vehemence with which I was initially responded to .Someone even called me a Turk. Why should I wish to have further discussuions with anyone else on this board and try to defend my statements, if I'm just going to be called names. Now all I want is to have the people who operate this site to delete all my messages. Don't bother responding anymore to my posts. Once I make sure my previous posts have been deleted, I won't be visiting this board again.
signed on Tuesday, the 03. of April 2001 at 16:45:00
To "a":
Please remember that this is a discussion board of a site the primary purpose of which is enlightenment!
Expressing opinions is more than welcome. But you should be able to defend them, if necessary.
Arguments are about reason: when you mix your emotions with logical reasoning things get messy and confusing.
Are you ready to give up your involvement with Armenian issues just because you wrote smth. mildly-speaking not appropriate for the theme of this discussion board and otherwise a lousy formulated argument on forner soviet " peace and prosperity "? If you are able to stand for your argument - please go ahead.
Of course you will read both good and bad, just scroll down this page and see what sorts of people write here. You don't always expect warm comments on whatever you say, do you? This is not a site where people distribute candies for every posting. This is a site where ignorant or otherwise criminal Turks are defeated in all their arguments! Why? Because everything they write is void of simple human logic;
because they cannot back up any singel thing they tear their throats for!
If you are not ready to defend what you write in public, then you either shouldn't complain about the hostile reaction -- this site is not about Armenians defending Armenians simply because of the common ethnicity, it's about defeating groundless arguments! Most of them, as I already wrote, are from the Turks.
Some are from the fellow Armenians or others. This has nothing to do with unity of the nation. Being an Armenian does not mean having an excuse for posting baseless, racist, or otherwise deeply confused postings. Such postings only weaken the Armenian cause. You can't fight wars on a website. You can only convince Turks. If you are not ready for this and only mess things up with amateurish arguments, you will do a big favor by „not involving with this issues".
Don't be hard on yourself, and take care.
signed on Monday, the 02. of April 2001 at 18:05:51
Yes hamadzayn em 'a'-i het! Tsavoq srti miabanutyun', isk aveli &isht dra pakas' mer-hayeri- amenamets tsavn e, yev kareli e asel, Aqillesyan garshapar'. Imanalov handerdz, vor shat mardik ays ej' kkardan, te hay yev te aylazgi, neraryal nrants um het menk haykakan hartsi shurj hamamit chenq, shater' sharunakum en mimyants bzktel. Hetaqrqir e, dzeznits voryevitse mek' mtatsel e ardyoq ayn pasti masin, vor yete menq miaban lineinq, apa voch parsikner' IV darum, yev voch el hetaga dareri tshnaminer', hajoxutyan chein hasni khatarely haykakan petakanutyun', yev menq bazum zoher cheinq kri. Yev aysor menq stipvats cheinq lini mer uzher' yev janqer' uxxel mer azgi tsexaspanutyun' hamashkharhayin hanrutyan koxmits chanachel talun... migutse arzhe sra masin mtatsel, minchev hay' hayi vra hardzakvel' interneti vra. Aveli civil metodner kan...
signed on Monday, the 02. of April 2001 at 15:02:25
This is a message to the two gentlemen who run this site. I tried to contact you privately, but was unable to do so because I don't have an e-mail address. So if your reading this, I would appreciate it very much if you were to remove all the messages that I posted on this board. I bitterly regret having posted anything on this board. All I wanted was to have a civil debate, instead I received vicious attacks and insults. The Turks who posted to this board were treated with more civility than I was. This isn't directed to everyone on this board, just the people who initially responded to my 1st post. I used to really enjoy coming to this site, but not anymore. I wish I had never even set eyes on this board. So please, I implore you to delete all the
messages I posted here including this last one. I want nothing more to do with this page and therefore don't want anything of my writing on this board, as even the very thought of this board causes me much pain. It seems that Armenians aren't allowed to voice their opinions. But I've learned my lesson. I'm never going to try and get involved with Armenian issues again or visit sites like this. Why bother caring when what you get is a slap in the face for it. If you do delete my messages, I thank you in advance.
Sincerely,
a
signed on Monday, the 02. of April 2001 at 10:56:41
Gevork jan, Sarkis jan,
Thank you very much for the excellent site. In every aspect. Please, continue doing your blessed job of supporting ARMENIAN SPIRIT, ARMENIAN HOPE, ARMENIAN HIGHLAND/HAYASTAN.
I think you agree that the only salvation of our Nation and country is through every one of us, through every newborn child. We need to work on us, improve ourselves, look towards high Armenian spirit, not to worship material values, and finally overcome our millenary character of disrespecting, hating, envying each other. Let's finally get united under one holy national idea, Love and God!
And last thing, dear Gevork and Sarkis. I said improve ourselves. That means get rid of rotten persons who still consider themselves
Armenians. Unfortunately they exist in vast numbers. A part of them as well as some other trash show up in your Guestbook. Please, control the inputs, apply some censor filter. Your site doesn't deserve such a low, chat-level messages by those idiots.
Thanks, again. God bless you.
signed on Sunday, the 01. of April 2001 at 01:00:31
I think all treacherous scum are in the end humiliated by the very side whom they sold their souls to:
Below is the letter by a pathetic political amateur with no serious education (she's been enrolled in Master's program at
U. Maryland since ...1991!!!)Kagan followed by a reply to her from a Turk "supporter"
March 27, 2001
Mr. Fred Hiatt
Editorial Page Editor
The Washington Post
1150 15th Street, NW
Washington, DC 20071
Dear Mr. Hiatt:
I am writing to clarify my comments opposing the establishment of a "Maryland Day of Remembrance of the Armenian
Genocide" in Monday, March 26th's Washington Post ("Maryland Drawn Into Distant Dispute").
It is my belief that the Maryland Legislature is not the appropriate forum for making foreign policy decisions. In expressing my
views, I may have inadvertently offended some people and caused them to believe that I am insensitive to the tragic history of
conflict between Turks and Armenians. This was not my intention, and I meant no disrespect.
The taxpayers of Maryland elected my colleagues and me to tend to the state's business in a short 90-day session each year.
We are elected to work on health care, transportation, and education - not on foreign policy matters with which we are not
equipped to deal.
Over the years, I have consistently opposed bills of this kind, which tend to take up a considerable amount of the Legislature's
time. My vote against this resolution is based on the strongly held belief that, while this is an important issue, it is not the type of
issue in which the Maryland Legislature should become involved.
Sincerely,
Cheryl C. Kagan
Member, House of Delegates
From: Iskin Demirel
Date: Friday, March 30, 2001
Time: 12:24 AM
Comments
Tanc you fer your NO vote on Ermenian ishue. We will help fund your kampayn agen. We mailed $100 yesterday.
Tanc you.
PS For more $100 will you vote NO for Jewish Holocaust too?
For the writers on this website:
In an attempt to understand why Jewish lobbies shelved a bill that is of as much importance to Armenians as the establishment of the state of Israel was for the Jews around the world, I find only one explanation:
Israel feels that its security is seriously threatened (which is quite strange given its overwhelming military superiority over all Arabs combined), and this makes official Israel collaborate with Turkey. Using Queen Victoria's pioneered paradigm that a country's interests are its highest priority, it would be possible to understand the position of the official Israel both with respect to including the Genocide in the textbooks and regarding the Genocide bill.
However, Israel has never been Britain, and the history of Jewish people can be hardly compared to that of the Brits.
Therefore, with the best effort, I still cannot rationalize the fact that the official Israel has not yet taken a MORAL stance on the Armenian issue given all the work done by the Genocide historians of Jewish origin.
Yet another puzzle: official Israel could have washed its hands off the Armenian bill and still remain friendly with Turkey for the sake of keeping the latter out of the Arab camp. Instead, Israeli foreign ministry went ahead and actively contributed to the shelfing of the Armenian bill.
I would like to hear a reasonable explanation of this matter.
Having wrote this, I, nevertheless, can't help expressing my disgust at all those who become
Anti-Semites overnight just because of Kagan, Shimon Peres, or other influential Turkish and American Jews allied with Turkey.
Just as I can't help expressing my disgust at all those who propagate a total hatred towards Turks because of always-barbaric Turkish government and similarly barbaric predominant majority of the population.
Hate propaganda is stupid, disgusting, and as barbaric as Turgut Ozal and his wife and all those who vote for the ones like them. WHY?
Because: 1) ordinary Jews have contributed enormously to both the Genocide research, and to the Genocide bill;
2) there were Turks who saved Armenian lives 85 years ago;
3) there are still 11,000 Turks in Europe who put their signatures under the Genocide bill;
4) there are few Turks that dare to shout about the history in Turkey to face imprisonment and repressions from the majority of their blood-thirst barbaric brothers.
It is IMPORTANT to differentiate between people, because any generalization inevitably leads to the witch hunt.
To those uninformed: the witches, BTW, can never be caught!
signed on Saturday, the 31. of March 2001 at 11:42:37
Dear Texan Jew,
I can assure you that you are on the right path. Now, If one is considered “bad” Armenian because he hates turks by default, that seems to me if not justified at least understandable.
signed on Friday, the 30. of March 2001 at 18:32:41
Dear “ Discover Azerbaijan”:
Sorry to have put your name in quotation marks, please do not consider this to be rude, it merely seems to be
peculiar to refer or address to.
Let me, however, answer some of your questions:
“ How do you feel about the hypothesis from Turkish officials who state, the Ottoman Empire was a safe haven for Spanish Jews and therefore cannot have even initiated a gov't ordered Genocide ?”
What rubbish!!! That’s the same as to say: “The Germans have had such great composers in the past!.. How could have they possibly ‘initiated’ mass murders during the Nazi rule…
After all: Turkish pan-Turkist, Nazi, Communist, etc. propaganda is the SAME SHIT!
I think the same way of ALL hypotheses coming from Turkish officials. NEVER EVER make me comment them: I don’t even wish to hear all this bullshit. At least from honest people… Refer to my posting of Monday, January 22, 2001.
“How and why does Zionism conflict with the Armenian Genocide Resolution ? “
WHOM do you refer to saying “Zionism”? Zionism has left and right and is
made up of different factions who have different positions. The overwhelming
majority of Jewish scholars who are also Zionists want Turkey to come clean with
its dark past and finally accept its perpetration of the Armenian Genocide.
“Most of us know the greatly appreciated efforts of Holocaust scholars and Jewish Scholars who are in favor of recognition, however, I believe,, as might some of the other Armenians that it doesn't really amount to much, or in other words the damage done by AJC, B'nai B'rith far exceeds the good done by Jewish individuals ? “
Thank you so much!!! Because of one personality you are ready to condemn the entire Jewry! You are a tough judge, aren’t you?..
“In fact, so much so that without the Jewish Lobby support, the American Turkish Council's Denialist Efforts would be on the same level playing field as the Cub Scouts ? “
I don’t know. But it’s a FACT that every single Jew in the House of Representatives supported the bill. Provide a SUFFICIENT proof if you happen to know otherwise.
Dear Nemesis and Armen:
If it is such an ordeal for both of you to SIMPLY scroll down and see my posting of Monday, January 22, 2001, and if you REALLY wish to me to tell you that here it comes:
THERE ARE BAD JEWS TOO!!! Period. This however does not permit you to make
generalizations.
I don’t know how to scream it up loud by typing.
signed on Friday, the 30. of March 2001 at 17:48:33
All,
Time for and Armenian History Lesson. Trust me the proof is right here. As of now, we have defeated the enemy and their crap is not being posted on the website. After this victory we TURNED on one another - our unity broke.
United we stand, divided we fall. We did it at Sardarapat, we'll do it again. Zargeck vor haghteng!!!!!
Antranik Ozanian
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 21:59:56
Dear Vahagn,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your kind words and for
understanding what I was trying to say. I want
everyone in Armenia to enjoy a good quality of life.
And just because Armenia has a new government now
doesn't mean that all the good programs that existed
before should have been thrown out.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 21:21:18
Hey guys,
What ever happened to Selim, Ordinary and those other Turks. Just goes to show that a Turk is still good at attacking the
defenseless. As soon as they see strength they run like dogs with their tails between their legs.
To 'a', I think that you have good intentions in wanting Armenians to be happy but trust me, I totally believe what the my Capitalists bros wrote. I'll even go one step further "Laissez faire capitalism - just let it be.
The reason being is simple, our markets develop and sells things that are needed. In order to produce these things we allocate our scarce resources to area's that need it. We don't produce (centrally plan like the
socialists) products that there are absolutely no demand for. This is what the USSR used to do.
Our method drives innovation, quality and the best service. In the USSR it would take you months to get a Lada and if it was the wrong color you had to wait even longer. Plus look at their leftover products from the commie days. For Gods sake Aeroflot just bought Airbus airplanes instead of Tupovlev, Yakovlev and
Ilushin.
In the West the Arts are supported by the private sector and grants by philanthropy and it seems to be working. In Canada, they have a Medicare system that was once the envy of the West, but now it has become an abused system and is breaking down. They may even get rid of it or put huge restrictions on it. It is a socialist system that has failed.
And lastly, in the USSR the central government used to think for you, tell you what to produce,
etc. This system made people unable to think on their own. No innovation, no drive to be the best.
Hopefully, SLOWLY, things will change. Capitalist system rules. Your wanting Armenians to be happy is commendable but with no drive to be like the guy who is ahead of
you (be it economic) you just accept the status quo. Right Guys!!!
Antranik
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 21:19:13
A - do not be upset. I respect your opinions and in fact I believe that a lot of what you say does make sense. However lets keep in mind that eventually we will have in Armenia a Socialist-Capitalist model. One that is now widely accepted in Western Democracies and number of other countries. This model is compatative hybrid which takes care of those that need to be taken care of and at the same time has a society which in fact has a rich elite, BUT a strong-majority Middle Class. This is where Armenia is headed, there will not be "Socialism" or "Capitalism" by their book definitions. In fact most countries of the world have adopted each to their specific needs and specific environments. Once again please do not be offended and I think what you said were coming from your genuine position.
HIGHer irar pahek isk otarnerin voronk hamakroum en tshnamun hamapataskhan harvats. Khndrum em irar mi ktsek. Miasnutyun miayn Miasnutyun da e gaghtnik-e.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 20:52:41
I am not a turk or azeri!How dare you insult me by
calling me one.And I definitely don't want there
to be division among Armenians.I just want all
Armenians in Armenia to have good lives.
Just what is so wrong with my wanting Armenians to
have free healthcare and free opportunities for
education again,etc like we used to 10+ years ago.
Many countries in western europe have socialist
governments. And to king tigran, you should have
read my post carefully before you decided to
insult me by calling me a turk/azeri.I said nothing
against.The point I was trying to make was that
Armenia had a lot of good state subsidized programs
in education, the arts, sports,music, and
healtcare.I'm sorry it offends you so much that I
don't want Armenia to turn ino a country full of a
few rich people and many poor people.
Furtermore I won't be posting to this board
anymore and I'm sure a lot of you will feel good
about that.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 20:34:48
"Why don't you ask Armenians in Armenia how they
feel about their current state as "Capitalists"."
If you know anything about capitalism, you know that Armenia is not a true capitalism. I call the economy of Armenia Mafiaism. Of course, if you have the same shit communist mafia still in power, its the same shit. The problem is that Armenia does not have a democracy but a pseudo-democracy and not a capitalism but a psuedocapitalism. I have relatives in Armenia that are among the poorest. But, its not their fault. If there was a fair democracy and a fair capitalism, my relatives would be among the richest because they are, like us, hard workers. Unfortunately, you are right that this system is not working in Armenia. But, I am certain that within a couple of decades, Armenia will rid itself of these corrupt leaders (thieves and mafia)and establish a true prosperous democracy/capitalism that will allow our motherland to regain its dignity and begin a new age of prosperity. Capitalism works, just look at America. Whoever works hard here, wins.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 20:26:39
Dear "a"
"free health care, free university
educations, free day care,fully funded arts,music
and sports programs in Armenia."
Free, free, free, free ... let me tell you something, my friend, There is NOTHING free in this world. I get it... lets pay 50% of our hard earned "back breaking" money to the government. Can't you take care of yourself? Does the government have to be your milk mother? your ass wiper? Are you that incapable of self-organization and self-motivation to work? Do you not see that hard work progresses the nation and that people dont want to work hard if they can not work hard and get the same pay under socialistic regulations? You have expressed your honest opinion and from what i understand, you dont want to work, you want to get free free free= you are lazy.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 20:15:34
My dear 'a'. Why don't you post your provocative
massages to your turkish and azerbaijani sites?
You will never get Karabakh back from us. Please
don't wase your time in trying to create a division
between armenians. Armenia is just another
country with her own ups and downs. Even if you
enforce the blockade on us for another 100 years,
we'll never yield Karaback to you.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 19:33:45
I'm very sorry now that I posted to this
guestbook. I only expressed my views and I was
not rude to anyone nor did I attack anyone
personally.Yet some of the responses I got to
my post were very rude and made me cry. I just
wanted to talk my fellow Armenians and express my
concern for the well-being of Armenia.I don't want
Armenia to be a country where there is 90% very and
10% very rich people.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 18:33:56
Why don't you ask Armenians in Armenia how they
feel about their current state as "Capitalists".
I suppose that you all think that it is good that
there is no longer free health care, free university
educations, free day care,fully funded arts,music
and sports programs in Armenia. Why should there
be any homless in Armenia today looking in
trashcans to find food.Thats what your precious
capitalism has gotten Armenia.
And as for having the KGB on your back, you can
just as easily have the FBI or CIA on your back.
Many innocent people have been investigated,
followed, had their phones bugged, etc by the
because they said or had written something not to
the governments liking.And for the record I don't
condone any goverment doing such actions. And I
shouldn't have to be vehemently attacked for
expressing my opinions.What is so bad about
socialism that you have to totally denegrate it
and make it out to be evil.A lot of people work
very hard breaking their backs working for pennies
while a small segment of of the population are
millionaires.Wheres the justice in that.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 18:13:12
A suggestion to Armen:
Next time when your Jewish classmate sneers, tell her that Jewish Holocaust is a hoax. Then she will accuse you of being anti-Semitic, to which you could replay that it is not your fault but it is because of your defective “upbringing.”
Have a nice weekend everybody.
Partzratzenenk pajakner@ herosneri genatz@!
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 17:52:12
Let me put it into words you can understand "A". :
Zjangotvatz Roos mekenaner amanchoomem keshem
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 17:37:51
Dear "A" , answer me two questions, (1)How many Armenians have died fighting for the Bolsheviks and Commies and/or died for being anti-Communist ? (2) How many Russians have died for Armenia ? ANSWERS : (1)Probably as many as were killed in the Genocide by the Turks (2) 0, ZILCH,NADA, ZIPPO
ARMENIANS WERE/ARE meant for Capitalism, the sheer nature of Armenians are to make money, further education, and drive Beamers... I'm sorry but a freakin rusty Lada doesn't cut it for me.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 17:35:13
Dear "a",
What you call "American Propaganda" is what I call my dad's hard earned six bedroom house, 2002 BMW 530i, my mom's Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer edition, my Toyota Camry, a swimming pool, ping pong table, wonderful neighbors, ideal family, 3 tvs, dvd player, JBL speaker system, home music recording studio, and this Pentium 3 computer with DSL connection that im using right now. If this is American Propaganda, God bless the American Propagandist! God bless America!
maybe... just maybe if you listened to the American propaganda... you may find yourself in a completely rewarding... ah never mind. You pinkos will never listen to the capitalist way.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 15:58:31
Hey Texan Jew,
"I have found the publication dated by October 21, 2000 with the
headline "Clinton, US military & the Jewish lobby" by
Ilnur Cevik - Turkish Daily News. It does support your statement about
the Jewish lobby, therefore I withdraw my phrase addressed to you:
"I am not sure what you mean┘"
I would like to thank you. Your demonstrated support to the Armenians is
commendable and greatly appreciated. But, as a Jew, how do you account
for the anti-recognitionist efforts of the Jewish lobby in Washington? I
also met a Jewish girl in High school here in Glendale who sneered when
we had an assembly dedicated to teach the facts of the Armenian
genocide. Why would Jews (not including the minority of Jews such as
yourself), of all people, sneer at the efforts to recognise the Armenian
Genocide? I ask this respectfully.
And to "a",
I was born in Yerevan and so were my parents during the communist years.
I moved to Los Angeles with them in 1988 and my parents are now the
happiest capitalists in the world. In the USSR, they had nothing just
like everyone else. Just humble living. But my parents are hard workers.
When we moved here, my dad started a business in professional audio
repair and today, it is the largest of its kind in the west coast of
America! Capitalism works because it is based on hard work. Obviously,
you would rather have a large government that would wipe your ass until
you die. Fuck Marx and socialism/communism. I went to France last summer
and it made me laugh at how outragesly lazy and depressed people there
were due to the socialist plague. I'd rather have foot and mouth disease
then live in your socialist utopia. It's a piece of shit. By the way, it
doesn't matter who started the cold war, it matters who won in the end.
Obviously, capitalism triumphed. But, im sure you would rather sneer at
capitalist pigs like me and my father and the thousands of other
Armenians who escaped the USSR and achieved greatness in this
individualist heaven.
A note to all:
You see what we Armenians have had to go through? Tell me one thing we
havent suffered. From mongol invaders, to Ottomon oppression, to
Genocide, to Communists, to Earthquakes, and now a piece of shit
government ruled by the mafia. This is what we Armenians cynically call
"Hye e bacht" (the luck of the Armenian).
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 15:47:54
Hey Texan Jew,
"I have found the publication dated by October 21, 2000 with the
headline "Clinton, US military & the Jewish lobby" by
Ilnur Cevik - Turkish Daily News. It does support your statement about
the Jewish lobby, therefore I withdraw my phrase addressed to you:
"I am not sure what you mean┘"
I would like to thank you. Your demonstrated support to the Armenians is
commendable and greatly appreciated. But, as a Jew, how do you account
for the anti-recognitionist efforts of the Jewish lobby in Washington? I
also met a Jewish girl in High school here in Glendale who sneered when
we had an assembly dedicated to teach the facts of the Armenian
genocide. Why would Jews (not including the minority of Jews such as
yourself), of all people, sneer at the efforts to recognise the Armenian
Genocide? I ask this respectfully.
And to "a",
I was born in Yerevan and so were my parents during the communist years.
I moved to Los Angeles with them in 1988 and my parents are now the
happiest capitalists in the world. In the USSR, they had nothing just
like everyone else. Just humble living. But my parents are hard workers.
When we moved here, my dad started a business in professional audio
repair and today, it is the largest of its kind in the west coast of
America! Capitalism works because it is based on hard work. Obviously,
you would rather have a large government that would wipe your ass until
you die. Fuck Marx and socialism/communism. I went to France last summer
and it made me laugh at how outragesly lazy and depressed people there
were due to the socialist plague. I'd rather have foot and mouth disease
then live in your socialist utopia. It's a piece of shit. By the way, it
doesn't matter who started the cold war, it matters who won in the end.
Obviously, capitalism triumphed. But, im sure you would rather sneer at
capitalist pigs like me and my father and the thousands of other
Armenians who escaped the USSR and achieved greatness in this
individualist heaven.
A note to all:
You see what we Armenians have had to go through? Tell me one thing we
havent suffered. From mongol invaders, to Ottomon oppression, to
Genocide, to Communists, to Earthquakes, and now a piece of shit
government ruled by the mafia. This is what we Armenians cynically call
"Hye e bacht" (the luck of the Armenian).
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 15:47:36
To a:
Two things:
first, concerning your generalizations -- fine, just tell me how you would classify those few Turks that saved some Armenian lives from their country men;
second, about the anti-communist propaganda -- if you were happy having KGB on your ass all your life, or perhaps because you were a son or daughter of a party bureaucrat, then keep your
nostalgia to yourself.
Armenian issue is not about emotions, whether yours, mine, or turks'.
So, please, don't meddle with an otherwise logical argument by mixing it with your personal childhood experiences...
Nemesis lost his argument to the Texan Jew, and had a sobriety to acknowledge it.
Your 4-fold (I wonder why?) contribution on THIS site is at least useless, don't make it even worse.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 15:34:46
a
I think that a lot of you are being too hard on
Nemesis.The butchery of our people at the hands of
the turks should never be forgiven. Nemesis and
all Armenians are completely justified in hating
turks. They have brutally tortured and murdered
countltess numbers of our people even before the
Genocide. Not to mention creully raping many women
and little girls and little boys, as well as
forcing many women and children into harems and
slavery. And, to add insult to injury, they stole
all of our lands and turned beautiful Anatolia
into a third world shithole.
I also think that blaming the ottoman/turkish
government, but not blaming the turkish people
themselves is wrong. Many, many turks who were
not soldiers or police participated in the Genocide.
And as a side note I have been reading many anti-
Communist comments. Comments which I believe are
probably due to American propoganda. I was born
in Soviet Armenia, and you know what, I wasn't
opressed, nor was anyone else that I know. Ask
people who lived in the Soviet Union what things
were really like instead of believing vicious
attacks on socialism by the american media.
The Cold War was started by the US not the USSR.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 14:51:09
I have been following this discussion for quite some time now, I would like to thank Texan Jew for being here and giving us another angle. I would like to ask some question if you don't mind. How do you feel about the hypothesis from Turkish officials who state, the Ottoman Empire was a safe haven for Spanish Jews and therefore cannot have even initiated a gov't ordered Genocide ? How and why does Zionism conflict with the Armenian Genocide Resolution ? Most of us know the greatly appreciated efforts of Holocaust scholars and Jewish Scholars who are in favor of recognition, however, I believe,, as might some of the other Armenians that it doesn't really amount to much, or in other words the damage done by AJC, B'nai B'rith far exceeds the good done by Jewish individuals ? In fact, so much so that without the Jewish Lobby support, the American Turkish Council's Denialist Efforts would be on the same level playing field as the Cub Scouts ?
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 12:35:44
Great website! Good job!
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 08:44:24
Nemesis, please do not put everyone in "the same basket". The overwhelming majority of Jewish Holocaust scholars are in support of Turkish recognition of the Armenian Genocide. In fact they were instrumental in passing the Armenian Genocide Resolution re-affirming the Armenian Genocide in France where the Armenian and Jewish lobbies worked together.
The Jerusalem Post (June 8, 2000):
signed on Thursday, the 29. of March 2001 at 04:51:06
Texan Jew,
What the hell Armenia and Armenians have to do with the Middle East? As far as I know there are Armenian colonies in the Middle East and that is all. If you mean that by recognizing Armenian Genocide that would hurt somebody else’s interests in the Middle East that is different story.
Jewish lobby was instrumental not in denying the Genocide, but preventing it from being properly addressed in the Legislative body of the land and the “status quo” has been maintained as such for the last 80 or so years. I can feel your pain as a honest person, but lets be objective and face the reality.
A Jewish persona from Maryland, Cheryl Kogan (probably short for Koganovich) have recently said that legislating the Armenian Genocide would be one of the most useless pieces of legislation ever adopted or something to that effect. Now, can you imagine the reaction of the Jews in the USA if someone who is working for the American Government says that Jewish Holocaust is merely a Jewish propaganda.
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of March 2001 at 22:06:43
Dear Nemesis:
I have found the publication dated by October 21, 2000 with the headline "Clinton, US military & the Jewish lobby" by Ilnur Cevik - Turkish Daily News. It does support your statement about the Jewish lobby, therefore I withdraw my phrase addressed to you: "I am not sure what you mean…"
The above referenced article, however, states: "If it weren't for the Middle East crisis, the US House of Representatives would have pushed through the 'genocide' resolution."
Besides, in case you are not aware of the voting result, EVERY SINGLE JEWISH MEMBER of the House of Representatives voted "IN FAVOR" the adoption of the bill. You could have mentioned that!
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of March 2001 at 12:51:16
Dear Nemesis:
Regarding the "support" of Turkey by "Jewish lobby", I am not sure what you mean, BUT if you can give it a spare minute, be so kind please to do me a little favor (would you?) scroll down to my very first posting on this web site (Monday, January 22, 2001) and read there the following:
"Union of American Hebrew Congregations made on November 07, 1989 "The massacre of over 1.5 million Armenians beginning in 1915 by the Ottoman Turks and the subsequent exile of an additional 500,000 Armenians is one of the most shameful chapters of modern history." Furthermore, the statement continues and states the most important and ultimate emphasis that "Elie Wiesel, a past U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council chairman said, `Before the planning of the final solution, Hitler said, `Who remembers the Armenians.' He was right. No one remembered them, as no one remembered the Jews. Rejected by everyone, they felt expelled from history.'
And some other stuff along with it. I hope I deserve such an effort from you to make…
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of March 2001 at 09:13:07
To the ordinary Mehmet Ali Agja, Osman, Turgut, Kaput, Ibrikchi, Hasan, S2HO4,
Listen God’s mistake,
If there were not the Anglo-Saxon pagans and the Jewish lobby in the US congress to support you, your nation should have look like erotic glittering in the eyes of your father Ataturk (i.e. Antranik’s dog that recently past away).
signed on Tuesday, the 27. of March 2001 at 19:11:20
Listen up Turkish punk,
You said i was a joke. what's so funny? I love my country. is that so ridiculous to you? Why don't you answer my Fucking question!! "Why are you on this 'Armenian' list?" .... that's right. Because you have No answer. Here you are, a proud Turk, a representative extraordinaire of his superior race. Sitting around all day on your little computer and getting pleasure out of insulting Armenians on their webpages and calling people "jokes". A wonderful race of humans you must be! I bet you get sexual excitement posting your little messages here,
don't you. yes, don't deny it.
(to all the sane people on this list: sorry for the swearing but who the hell does this guy think he is?)
signed on Tuesday, the 27. of March 2001 at 18:00:40
This is a great webpage
signed on Tuesday, the 27. of March 2001 at 17:29:30
Muelheim an der Ruhr, Germany; 27 March 2001
(RFE/RL) -- The two-day meeting (24-25 March) in the western German town of Muelheim an der
Ruhr was billed as the First Turkish-Armenian Conference. There had been earlier, private gatherings of Armenian and Turkish historians on
the same subject, but the Muelheim conference was the first such public conference. It brought together seven historians -- three of Turkish origin, three of Armenian origin and one German -- who spoke before an audience of some 150.
The three Turkish historians at the meeting agreed that the historical record supports Armenian charges that in 1915 the government of the Ottoman Empire committed crimes against hundreds of thousands of Armenians by ordering deportations and mass killings.
This runs counter to the official Turkish position that the killings took place amid the general unrest of World War One and its immediate
aftermath, and that hundreds of thousands of people died on both sides.
At the conference's opening session, Halil Berktay of Istanbul's Sabanci University stressed that a historical event of so great a dimension cannot be the subject of bargaining among historians.
The Turkish scholar said he had no doubt that the Ottoman government of
so-called "Young Turks" was responsible for what he described as a great tragedy.
Berktay later explained his position to our
correspondent:
"Armenians from all over Anatolia were collected, gathered, and deported from places like ancient Nicomedia or Izmit for example -- as
close to Istanbul as that. So it [the deportations] was not limited to the war zone, and it cannot be explained as a purely military measure of safety, preserving the Turkish army's supply line against the
Armenian guerillas on the Eastern front."
Berktay then addressed the question of whether or not the mass killings were intentional or accidental:
"Was it just deportation, and if killings took place were they accidental? My answer to both these questions has been explicitly
'NO'. It was not just deportations. Two sets of orders seem to have been issued by the legal state apparatus, the garrison commanders,
[regional] governors, etc, for Armenians to be collected and deported en masse -- and simultaneously, illegal, or extra-legal orders through the special organization of the 'Committee and Union and Progress' to
organize concerted, concentrated massacres."
But Berktay urged his colleagues not to get trapped by looking for clichés in seeking to qualify the deportations and killings. He warned
them against the dangers of being pigeonholed by the use of the terms
"genocide" or "non-genocide."
Another Turkish scholar, Elcin Kuersat-Ahlers -- who lives in Germany -- hardly avoided using the word "genocide." On the contrary, she says
what happened in April 1915 in the Ottoman Empire was nothing but genocide. She defines this genocide as a systematic annihilation of
the Armenian population that was organized by the state. "The deportation of Armenians took place not only in the war zone, but [throughout] the entire Ottoman Empire. In reality, it aimed at
achieving the ethnic homogenization of Anatolia."
In the view of Richard Hovannisian of the University of California at Los Angeles, who is of Armenian origin, there is no need to prove that
the government of Ottoman Empire committed genocide against Armenians in Turkey.
Hovannisian told the conference that there are many documents and archive materials proving the genocide occurred. He called on historians on both sides to concentrate mainly on the issues
of why the genocide had taken place and what were its historical and legal consequences.
Hovannisian called the Muelheim conference an important step toward dialogue between the Turkish and Armenian communities. He said such steps are not easy to take because both sides face internal as well as
external pressures.
"There is a sense of constraint, I think, a sense of being watched and indeed I think this [conference] is probably rather unique. There have been in the last one or two years small gatherings of Armenian and Turkish scholars, normally in a very closed atmosphere with 10 or 20 participants at most and no public reportage of it. To my knowledge, this is the first open forum relating to this painful
issue."
A few dozen demonstrators of Turkish origin gathered outside the meeting hall to protest against the conference. The meeting's organizers, the German-Armenian society and the German-Turkish Association for Exchanges in Humanities and Social Sciences, said they believed that direct dialogue could contribute to a process of understanding and reconciliation between the Armenian and Turkish
peoples.
Earlier this year, France adopted a law recognizing the 1915 killings as
genocide. The government in Ankara nevertheless responded by taking punitive actions against French companies doing business in Turkey.
signed on Tuesday, the 27. of March 2001 at 16:19:48
Very good, Antranik! It is jolly great that people like you an Sevah are around, for you feel free to speak to the suckers the language that is the ONLY one they can understand. Alas, that is a sort of language that I myself dare not use, but I really like you do what I can only imply!
signed on Tuesday, the 27. of March 2001 at 08:03:46
To "Ordinary...":
If you wanted to test my knowledge of Armenia here it goes. At this point in time in regards to the corruption in Armenia (sorry
guys) you are RIGHT. But lets put it into perspective.
Armenia has been independent for 10 years and was used to the communist system. It is a landlocked country, blockaded from every side with no resources to sell and receives millions in aid for its population of 3 million. Over the last ten years we have survived war, homes without heat, threat of famine and disease. But we have survived and are turning a new corner in our integration with the Global Economy. Anyone who survives this is a "WINNER!!!"
Turkey has been a republic (joke) for over 75 years. It is a so call democracy which still
suffers from massive corruption. It has a market of 60 million, many resources, and transportation routes but still receives BILLIONS in aid (loser). YOU still
announce "SWEEPING" reforms every few years, which by the way you have been doing for almost 200 years now, have the worlds worst human rights record, still burn Kurdish villages, have had many military coups, and are teetering on Islamic fundamentalism.
Your banking system is a joke, along with the lira. Before that you had centuries of empire where you still failed to lay the foundations of a strong state and only survived as long as you did because of being
propped up by the West, without which you would have disappeared long ago along with the Romans, Byzantines, Sassanians, Persians, and Assyria.
So now what is worse, the corruption in Armenia or Turkey? YOU HAVE HAD ALMOST 500 YEARS TO GET IT RIGHT AND YOU STILL FAIL. So listen up you GHAZI, which is all you are good at, I think in terms of who is the "WINNER" Armenia wins hands down.
An in regards to calling us "Ass-Holes", remember these two points:
1) Whereas the ass-hole serves a purpose in our lives, the pieces of shit like you that come out of it serve none and,
2) At least we use it for what it was meant for "AN EXIT" whereas you use it as an
"ENTRANCE"
So, Bring it on Your piece of "SHIT", I'm waiting
ANTRANIK "The Honorable" Ozanian
P.S. No response to my Ten points below. I guess they are true.
signed on Monday, the 26. of March 2001 at 18:53:39
To the Ordinary piece of human excrement from the present Istanbul, Shithole.
Listen, son of AN ataturk (S.O.A.),
why don't you just get lost from this site just like all your incestual nomadic animal brothers did in the past (Selim, George from Iowa, and other filth). "…like a lamb herd. You are continuing to feed on the same pasture for hundred years" --- ha-ha-ha, of course, given that your ancestors moved all the way from the steppes of Mongolia and in your barbaric country marriages between relatives (such as cousins) are still very much legal and practiced, "being on the same pasture for hundreds of years" seems very strange to your nomadic view of the world (I can't call it mentality, since animals -- like you and most of your countrymen -- have none by definition).
Concerning the school map, you, MORON, I visit Western Armenia every year, because both your loser government and bastards like you lick my butt for my Australian passport! Morons like you smile at me, and carry my luggage as far as Van. Bunch of hambals, just make an earring on your ass-ears -- 50 years ago not a single Palestinian would think that they would have to beg Israel for their lands… Learn a lesson, you, S.O.A., it's not too late.
signed on Monday, the 26. of March 2001 at 16:38:44
To "Ordinary...":
I suppose the adjective you have chosen to precede your "outstandingly glorious" name with suits you just PERFECTLY, for only an "ordinary man" (at least in the sense you perceive) is capable of writing all bunch of crap with ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF submitted whatsoever.
You might have noticed (although I think you notice NOTHING written on this web site but your own obsessions) that every single opponent of yours gives FACTS to support his statement. In your turn, you have so far given NONE, thinking that your "loud voice" will dim all the attributes of a CIVILIZED dispute. This IS the very gist of the difference between the "ordinary" (like you) and the others…
Remember, you are not at your favorite Turkish bazaar, and just your hollow bellowing won’t prove anything to us, no matter how "loud" it is and what words you call Nemesis and Antranik and what predictions you foretell them.
Poor you, "Ordinary Loser"!
signed on Monday, the 26. of March 2001 at 08:50:13
You just like a lamb herd. You are continuing to feed on the same pasture for hundred years. I understood your problem. You need a husband. The Ottomans were in charge of you for hundred years then U.S.S.R. took over this second hand bride. Now you are a black widow and this is explaining the whole hysteria you live in! Sorry guys, we don’t like third hand so you need to find a new stud horse.
Antranik, you have only one chance to see Shabin Karahisar. Just look at your school map. Or if you give your address I can post you a video of this town. You know a lot about Turkey but unfortunately your knowledge on our neighbor country Armenia is very limited. Because there are much more interesting examples of paradoxes and corruptions.
signed on Monday, the 26. of March 2001 at 00:28:35
To the definition of a looser, I can only add the following:
a crowd of 60 million plebeians (Turkey as the world knows it) that bark for two weeks on a third country's (France's) parliament and threatens the latter with all sorts of boycotts, and finally signs a contract with a French firm to supply food to Turkish army!!!
Hey, Mr. Ordinary, are you missing the cerebral cortex????????
Just look at yourself in the mirror, read turkish press while dining at a French restaurant, and try to think again about who the loser is...
signed on Saturday, the 24. of March 2001 at 16:15:18
Listen, Ordinary Loser,
You feel so secure about your home country... Very well, just let, for instance, your filthy government attack Armenia in order to finish the worshiped by you "Holy" Ataturk's doing (wipe out all Armenian population, then switch to forcing Turkish Jews in to labor camps as your beloved Innonu did in 1942), and next day Russia will turn Ankara into a nuclear desert, will it not?.. Russian government, fortunately for THIS particular case, is almost as piggy as yours, but the difference is the Russians DO possess nuclear weapons… No matter how weak the state of Armenia appears to you, it has an ally who is just strong enough to annihilate your nation completely, and, more importantly, will probably NOT hesitate to do so if a favorable occasion comes, which is, of course, when Turkey attacks the Russian ally FIRST, thereby forfeiting NATO protection which comes ONLY in the event of UNDERGOING an UNPROVOKED aggression. If you still have not understood what I meant to say, here it comes:
It is YOUR Nation who are losers. Unlike the USA, Russia, England, France, China, Israel, India, and, after all, Pakistan you have NEVER MANAGED TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS to blackmail the rest of the World with!!! And I know you WISH you had them! If you had got even a SINGLE NUCLEAR BOMB, you would have targeted nuclear weapons to the French cities in the response to the adoption of the Armenian Genocide bill, and, after all, you would have invaded Armenia (spitting upon ANY United Nations of European Union protests) for t6he reason I stated above, not fearing Russian retaliation very much. See, how many of your Nation's "problems" would have been solved had the Turks merely been smart enough to acquire an atomic bomb. But since you are just wretched bazaar cads, you have got NONE! And I am most sure will never develop ANY. Period.
So, bite a carpet… It may help relieve your "ordinary" rage… Now all your countrymen are reduced to (better say "the Turks have guts for") is to deny French tourists a taxi ride. The "adequate response" to the French "insolence" can't go any further than that, can it? France happens to have nuclear weapons not to fear ANY ACTION Turkey can possibly threaten by.
signed on Saturday, the 24. of March 2001 at 12:21:36
Today, I have returned to define the term loser.
The TOP 10 things which define the term loser are:
1) A place where the top officials of the country get caught in a smashed up car with the mafia.
2) Whose NATO trained army cannot defeat some rag-tag Kurds.
3) Whose country has been bailed out by the IMF 17 times. Talk about failure.
4) A place where inflation is running above 100%
5) A place that cannot conduct a proper Population CENSUS. They count dead people!!!
6) A place where their biggest export is the dried Apricot
7) A place that takes pride in Whirling Dervishes that are nothing more than morons making themselves dizzy by spinning around. Actually, they are chasing their dogs tails.
8) A place that mobilizes its ARMY and NAVY to defend an islet (a small rock in the sea) against Greece.
9) A place which enters WWII 2 weeks before it is over. This was of course, after they found out their Nazi buddies lost.
10) A place which is a founding member of the D8. The "D" stands for "DE-GENERATE" and includes other buddies like Pakistan.
Who can take a guess of where this place is. Here's a hint - the pilgrims shot one and made a feast with it.
It's none other than TURKEY of course - the true meaning of the word "LOSER"
Antranik "The Uncrowned Prince of ARmenia" Ozanian.
signed on Saturday, the 24. of March 2001 at 10:09:48
Sorry for the level of my English. I live in my homeland, so I speak my native language. But I'm sure you understood what I mean!
Nemesis, you can see Adana only in your dreams (as your father did)
American Nationalist??? What a joke.
signed on Saturday, the 24. of March 2001 at 01:44:33
To the "Ordinary... loOser":
Don't be so hard on yourself... And learn some English, unless your purpose is to make people laugh at you.
signed on Friday, the 23. of March 2001 at 14:38:49
To the ordinary circumcised inhabitant of the twilight zone:
All of our enemies from the ancient past to the present have gone to the eternal hunting fields.
You are right that there is no risk for your future, because you have NO future.
signed on Friday, the 23. of March 2001 at 14:27:12
I read over all the postings in this guestbook. I'm so happy to see that we have such an idiot enemy, there is no risk for the future. Go like you did in the last thousand year. I'm sure you will be successful! A looser is looser, what can I say?
signed on Friday, the 23. of March 2001 at 02:11:44
Dear Antranik:
I quite enjoyed reading your posting, although there are some minor misconceptions. To leave historical speculations aside (unless your major is History I can evaluate them pretty high though), I do not quite understand what you mean by "limited numbers" of Muslim people [should have been] admitted to the West (I think you meant to generalize Western Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, and perhaps some other Democratic societies). Many of these Muslim people were fleeing persecution in their home countries, and surely not all the refugees were Islamists. Is there a way to tell a hidden Islamist from just a (let’s use this banal term) "normal Muslim"? So, how many of the latter (not falling into the "limited numbers") should have been denied the refuge and (theoretically) sent back to their home countries to face execution for the so-called "treason"? You know as perfectly as I do that in totalitarian societies AND in all controlled by them territories the term "treason" means ANYTHING that merely DOES NOT happen to match the dictator’s will or expectations; not even mentioning trying to escape out of the "iron curtain" (I apply the Churchill’s term to a more general case, ANY sort of dictatorship, not only Communism the author was referring to), or helping another person to do so. In Nazi-occupied Western Europe assistance to escape to England was punishable by hanging REGARDLESS any circumstances. Many mid-ranked German officers who simply had some mercy left in their hearts, found their deaths by aiding people from the "Fascist’s shooting list" they were feeling sorry for. As another example, a German person hiding a Jew, if revealed, was usually hanged BEFORE the Jew he had tried to save was sent to a gas chamber…
However, I really appreciate you outlined the image of the Islamists. It seems to be PERFECTLY correct. As for me mentioning nuclear weapons, and especially the phrase in my last posting: "One day the your will annoy the hell out of the rest of the World to such extent that the USA or Israel will launch nuclear missiles upon your asses," you may note that it was the Islamic extremist I addressed this phrase to. Certainly neither USA nor Israel are not going to do this, but NEVERTHELESS I stated so while writing a response to the impudent bastard who means to punish the non-Muslim (particularly the Armenians, but we all know your people are not alone being hated by the Islamists, is there any proof needed?). I must also point out that I do NOT endorse what Sharon did in Lebanon in 1982, but as you may have noticed I referred to those events with the phrase "Tremble…"
The question is: WHY DID I MAKE STATEMENTS I MYSELF DID NOT ENDORSE? To give you a cogent answer, the first point is I was addressing to an utterly impudent and absolutely ignorant Islamic cretin whom ANY of my historical speculations would be of none of use to look at. The second point, let us refer to Artashes’ words from one of his previous postings: "Some people understand when they are talked to, some people understand when they you yell at them, and some people… only when beaten…" Our Mr. Jihad (as Nemesis called him) is DEFINITELY NOT of the FIRST type. From my personal experience, and from what I have known from others, the Islamists respect you IF, AND ONLY IF YOU ARE STRONGER. You can talk to them about humanism and the image of the contemporary World for hours, but they will still try to slain you (unless you agree to accept Islam AND join them in conducting jihad) if you are weaker of happen to be vulnerable at the moment… When you are stronger, however, they THEMSELVES would begin speculation about human rights and especially Western prejudges against Islam… Thus the reason upon which I chose to be so bellicose and mean to the Islamic bastard was to HUMILIATE him by patching up one of the BEST trumps to play: you, wretched "true believers" have no means (for instance, nuclear weapons) to fight the rest of the World, or even to "punish" somebody for "rebelling against Muslim authority." And the message I meant convey to the villain was: "You happen to be weaker, so shut the hell up!" I NEVER use such approach communicating with normal human beings, but the odious Islamic reprobate is not the case, as I have explained above.
Anyway, once again I was very glad to read your posting.
signed on Thursday, the 22. of March 2001 at 09:04:14
All,
Just goes to show that what I said below about the values of Muslims is true. It seems that the West has made a BIG, sorry "HUGE" mistake by letting these people into our countries. Maybe in limited numbers it would be ok but when their numbers increase then we are going to feel it. The worst thing is that our Laws protect them in the US, Canada, and Europe and they know it and can exploit it. Worst of all, they believe that wherever they take a SHIT it is holy. So when they increase in the projects they will call it a holy land and want
independence. On a side note though, after the day is thru and Jihad is over they will come to the restaurant I am eating at, clean my table, and if need be wipe my ass.
Moving right along, one of the big things that has shaped the mentality of the West is of what we experienced in WW1 and WW2. We fought for the rights we enjoy today and MILLION's died for it. It helped to shape our policies and human rights. These Muslims did not experience any of it so they don't know. Not to mention, they don't know how to think on their own anyway. Without us they would have nothing to eat, they would starve. Better yet, they would have no medicine. They would still use a piece of wood to mend a broken
arm (mind you we invented that too - Ha!)
Another place where our beliefs grew from were the Renaissance, Enlightenment, and the Scientific Revolution. The Muslims like to claim that they had all of the old texts and theories while Europe was in the Dark. This is totally UNTRUE. WE all know that in the Dark/Middle ages the Church also had a big say in our daily lives, just like their clerics still control them today - what the church said was done. However, we slowly broke away from it, found the old texts, studied them, and did something that these Muslims can never do - ASK THE QUESTION "WHY".
Who was Plato and Aristotle? Were they right? Can we prove it? and on it went until the Invention of what the Texan Jew mentions "The nuclear BOMB". Not to mention, we are smart enough not to use it. If they had it they will yell "Allah Akbar" and blow the world away. They will then claim it was the will of Allah. Pretty Stupid - Did I mention Backward!!
Guys, always remember that we including Jews, Chinese, Japanese, and some other
similar cultures have all left something of VALUE for future generations. They on the
other hand have left nothing. By the way, they even used European Artisans to build their mosques. The straw and mud they were using didn't work. Surprise Surprise.
Anyways, Genantz and Mussletoff.
Antranik "The Greatest Armenian Hero, who never killed an innocent person, who always fought for the poor Armenian
peasants living in Mush and ARmenia, who led the Russian ARmies to Victory in Bitlis, and Who has a statue in Bulgaria for his Bravery in the Balkan Wars, the scourge of the evil sultan and the Tamer of Kurds - OUR ACHILLIES" Ozanian
Later Boys!!!!
signed on Wednesday, the 21. of March 2001 at 16:50:03
A beautiful website; hope you educate both
interested and ignorant people alike.
I wish the very best with your endeavor.
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of March 2001 at 04:26:13
Mr. Habibi
If you are a true patriot, then start
negotiations with all your enemies for the sake
of saving one Muslim's life. For the God's sake,
use your brain at least once before you go to hell.
signed on Monday, the 19. of March 2001 at 18:57:17
doing some research for a paper for my history class. This page has provided me with some
wonderful information!
Thanks!
signed on Monday, the 19. of March 2001 at 18:23:59
Listen, heyvan,
To Habibi:
If you think Allah is using IDIOTS like you and your Talib and Chechen brothers to punish this world for its sins, then you better cut off your empty head first and throw it to the pigs, since all you do on this planet is to increase the volume of garbage.
You support any genocide as long as it's in the name of Allah, don't you? If you were a bit smarter and knew how to read and write, you would read Quran yourself instead of listening to your bloody
muftis. And if you did, you would know that all that your very Allah promises to the psychos like you is hell, and not only after your miserable life, but during it too, here, on Earth!
Just look what's happening to your "brothers" who think they fight for Allah by shedding blood... Most of the blood is their own, and will be that way, until you understand that religion is not about blood and war and hijacks...
Poor you!
signed on Monday, the 19. of March 2001 at 09:32:13
To Mr. Jihad,
Your beloved turks have killed many of your people too, although you share the same religion with them.
Religious considerations were the least in their list of satanic intentions. What is pity is that it is exactly people like you that undermine the legitimate claims for justice for your people.
Instead of spreading fake historical theories, spend some time on this web site and learn some real history.
signed on Sunday, the 18. of March 2001 at 21:20:02
To: saber habibi
Listen, you, filthy Islamist:
You may remember what Sharon did to your country in 1982. Now he is back in power... Tremble, some of a bitch!
Has he or the Israelis been ADEQUATELY punished for what was done to the Lebanese?.. Did your compatriots manage to do to Israel the same that was done to your home country?.. No, you never managed and you never will, for you are the WEAK. Especially in intelligence, otherwise how would you explain, for minor example, that it was the Christian World (almost immediately followed by the Soviet though), that created nuclear weapons, NOT the Islamic? How come that Allah (as you call God) still, up to the present time, hasn’t helped the "true believers" with creation of this weapon people life you would be able to launch a "full scale jihad" with?.. Petty losers! ALL that you are limited to is throwing stones to the Israeli soldiers and blowing up peaceful people…
One day the your will annoy the hell out of the rest of the World to such extent that the USA or Israel will launch nuclear missiles upon your asses, and this will INDEED be a punishment to all Islamic extremists like your own!
signed on Sunday, the 18. of March 2001 at 19:56:13
HI MY NAME IS SABER AND I AM MUSLIME FROME LEBANON YOU HAVE BEEN CRYING ABOUT THE ARMINIENE FOR YEARS SAEYENG THAT THE TURCK KILD YOUR PEPOLE .THE FACT IS THAT YOU WAR KILD BY MUSLIME BECAUSE OF ALL THE SPYING THAT YOUR PEPOLE DID AGAINST THE ISLAMIC GOVERMENT AND THAT IS A PUNSHEMINT FOR ANY SPYE UP UNTIL TODAY IN ANY COUNTRY WHAT YOUS ARMINIEN DID YOUS PAYD FOR IT AND WAHT ARE YOU DOING TODAY IT IS GOING TO BE THE LARGEST PUNISHEMINT FOR YOU THE TIME REMEBER THAT THE TIEGER NOW IS WATSHING .
signed on Sunday, the 18. of March 2001 at 13:28:52
barev ape
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of March 2001 at 02:41:41
Hey, "world citizen" wanna-be failure!
After reading this:
HISTORIC SIGNING WITH ALIYEV
TURKIYE- President Ahmet Necdet Sezer and Azerbaijani
President Haydar Aliyev on Monday signed Azeri Natural
Gas Project which will cost 2.5 billion U.S. dollars. Turkey
will get the first natural gas from the brotherly country
in the year 2004.
I have a question to you.
So what is it between Turkiye and Azerbaijan? A brotherhood, a sisterhood, or perhaps a gay and lesbian partnership?
I mean since Turks call you brothers, you call them sisters, and given a widespread incidence of incest and marriages between close relatives in your nomadic ethos, I was just wondering who is who...
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of March 2001 at 08:14:59
I would like to know more about the Armenian language and culture. Is there some Armenian Club in Australia? If so, how can I contact them?
Thank you very much
GR Casparian
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of March 2001 at 04:10:40
Khodajul jamank-e, yes gitem mikeetch Hye zinvornen schoonatsen, mikeetch.... Hyenen lav ban chen ane ende, batyz jeestz, toorkneye meghkne vor erantz martkinere cheyn oozom greeve anen, baytz ele Hyenen shoon gortz en ane Khodjalu.
signed on Saturday, the 10. of March 2001 at 20:20:57
To the under-"World citizen"
Hey, X% of human reason (where X is a nonpositive number)! You decided to post another dirty piece of filthy Azeri propaganda? By the way, in contrast to the official news by "Bakinskiy rabochiy" that all your idiotic fellow men get their daily news from, Armenians know what happened in Khojalu - 600 or so of your country men were killed in a military operation. Were they innocent? Most probably.
The question you should ask is what the hell were civilian Azeris doing in a district that had been a battlefield for two armies for quite a while already.
Here's smth. that will give you a hint on the true nature of the events:
(from RFE/RL)
"In a statement to mark the anniversary of the
massacre of several hundred Azerbaijanis in the Karabakh
village of Khodjaly in 1992, Azerbaijan's President Heidar
Aliev criticized then President Ayaz Mutalibov for failing to
take measures to prevent those deaths. Mutalibov was given
an advance warning by the Karabakh Armenian authorities
that they intended to try to neutralize Azerbaijani weapons
emplacements in Khodjaly and had announced that a corridor
would be opened to allow the civilian population to leave Khodjaly
before that offensive began.
In fact it was the armed detachments of the
Azerbaijan Popular Front who prevented the Khodjaly villagers from leaving…
So that there is no need for your crocodile tears - ask your pighead leadership why they decided to sacrifice 600 people. If you want a quick answer from the hostile side - your generals "sold out" their own people in order to be able to cry more loudly after they inevitably lose the war.
Why didn't Armenians spare those 600 lives when the latter were abandoned by their own generals? Refer to what Nemesis wrote below…
signed on Saturday, the 10. of March 2001 at 19:48:16
By the way, "15%… World", this is certainly I whom your bitter complaint:
"…Armenian fascist like nemesis deserves the prefix 'dear' but those who has different opinion than yours urgently need 'a repair in their head',"
refers to.
Here is my answer:
To me Nemesis is an ALLY, and you are an ENEMY, thus I surely treat you and him DIFFERENTLY. Period.
The World that you claim to be a citizen of is unfair to you, is it not? Unless you indeed mean "Turkic World," as Nemesis points out.
signed on Saturday, the 10. of March 2001 at 14:23:50
Listen Mr. Biological discrepancy – citizen of the reprobated turkic world !
Texan Jew is right that most probably you are school outcast. If 613 civilian Azeri deaths constitute "Genocide” , how about 5000 civilian Armenians, predominantly women, children and elderly killed by Azeri artillery (namely “Grad” missiles) in Stepanakert and Shushi ? You are not hypocrite (to be one you should at least be clever). You are mentally circumcised liar. The attrocities against Armenians, Russians and Jews in Baku are uniquely alike those of 1915 in Constantinople. No wonder why. All of these events happened not during the war, but in peace. Now your Albanian brothers are trying to do the same on the border with Macedonia, but this time (if you dare to go ahead with your Satanist plans) you would be issued one way ticket to the pastures of Mongolia.
Soon or later, we will restore the Greatness and Glory of Armenia, be sure of that!
signed on Saturday, the 10. of March 2001 at 14:14:32
Listen, "15%" (as you call yourself):
You claim you have M.Sci. What was your GPA in school? To me you resemble very much some of my "C" students. I have not had a vast university teaching experience yet; I am just a beginner, but I can already tell that you must have studied History by Soviet textbooks I myself do have a quite miserable opinion about. And I know what I am saying; even my very degree is higher than yours, not mentioning my background…
I do not even wish to point out that the N. K. was torn apart from Armenia and "presented" to Azerbaijan by the filthy communist leadership; if you claim you are not aware of, or that is "a lie", it than you are merely a hypocrite. Will you also claim that there were Armenians who began "massacres" of the native Azeri in Baku in 1989??? The Jews suffered too, I must point out.
What is the point to continue arguing with you? Earn your doctorate, if you please, then summon me for a historical dispute, but not until then!
signed on Saturday, the 10. of March 2001 at 13:02:45
Dear Nemesis:
In order to find the best yield of our discussion let me put things this way:
If the word "Turk" means to you "upbringing", but NOT "origin", just SPECIFY it.
Had you merely done this before nobody except our Azero-Turkish "friends" would have written a SINGLE reproach to you. Alas, everyone, including my own, has to WATCH his/her language and BE SPECIFIC. A couple centuries ago a SINGLE WRONG WORD could be enough to bring a person to a scaffold. Now the laws are certainly different, but human attitude and, more importantly, human reaction are just the same.
signed on Saturday, the 10. of March 2001 at 12:46:34
You can call me high school drop out (I have an M.SC.), you can call me citizen of the Turkish world (I don't even speak Turkish), you can claim that I have poor values etc., go on! However all that are just your vague assumptions, based on nada! It seems very ackward that an Armenian fascist like nemesis deserves the prefix ”dear” but those who has different opinion than yours urgently need ”a repair in their head”. You are extremely biased, that destroys your credibility and adds to the colorful “image of Armenians around the world”.
Some of you mentioned Sumgait in this guest book. I agree, to me it seems that Sumgait was a horrible, undisputable event yes, it must be condemned! In Sumgait, more than 25 Armenians were slaughtered in this bestialic act! That should neither be accepted or forgotten! The instigators tried to justify the horrible Sumgait event by referring to the death of two Azeri youngsters killed by an Armenian militia in Karabakh at that time. The instigators of the Sumgait event are the “ultimate form of human trash”, they should have never been born in the first place. Some people claim that at least one of the instigators was an Armenian, trying to create more tension between the two nations in order to escalate the conflict! However, even if that should be a fact, which I am not sure of, that doesn’t changes anything. These people deserve to burn in hell! This planet could do just fine with out them…
Now, I would like to take the opportunity and pay respect to more than 613 Azeri CIVILIAN people killed by Armenian forces in the village of Khojali almost exactly 9 years ago. In February 26th, 1992 Armenian Army occupied and set on fire Khojaly city, the second main life place in Nagorniy Karabakh. Armenian Army brutally crushed defenseless people and tortured even children. By official source, that night 613 Azeri people were slain, including 106 women and 83 children. There are no information about 150 person of 1275 captives. In the result of the massacre 487 person wounded, including 76 children. 8 families were killed utterly, 25 children lost their parents. 56 person were slain with special brutality. Armenian invaders burned people alive, cut their heads, dissected pregnant women, skinned corpses, heads, damaged their eyes, violated children and slew.
http://www.khojaly.org.az/photo.htm
http://www.khojaly.org.az/movie.htm
These CIVILIAN people were killed not because they were soldiers, they were not killed in battle, they were killed because they were Azeris. Azeris that needed to be exterminated in order for Armenians to expand the great Armenia. That was their horrible crime... By definition that is a Genocide, an Azeri Genocide by Armenians! I guess, Armenians have their own “Genocide instruction handbook” that they follow from now and then. A kind of deficient upbringing phenomena I guess...
signed on Saturday, the 10. of March 2001 at 06:09:57
I have never disagreed with you that being ill-brought up is uttery wrong. This is the point I, in fact, from the very beginning was a strong advocate of.
I disagree when you say "BIRTH" defect. Artashes is absolutely right that you ought to MAKE A DIFFERENCE between these two issues: ORIGIN and UPBRINGING.
It's almost 11 PM in Texas, I am tired, so do not expect an immediate reply this time.
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 20:47:10
So, as a champion of the upbringing you agree with me that being someone who lacks upbringing (i.e. a turk) is wrong?
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 20:37:39
Dear Nemesis:
By saying "UPBRINGING" I actually meant "lack of upbringing", as you have correctly pointed out, thank you.
The only conclusion that can be drawn from your reply is:
There is NO "BIRTH defect"; there is defective UPBRINGING.
To figure that out I have had to "degenerate myself" to asking you a "stupid question", sorry to have offended you...
"There are no stupid questions, there are stupid answers." Richard Nixon.
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 20:18:07
NO! Through lack of upbringing!!!
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 20:07:29
In that case, how does he become a "Turk" in your definition? Through UPBRINGING, right?
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 19:56:00
Texan Jew,
A newly born “turkish” baby is most probably according to his/her gene pool partly Greek, Armenian, Kurdish, Georgian, Bulgar, Arab, Cherkez, Seljuk, Capadokian, Roman, Albanian, Azeri, Tatar, Jew, Assyrian, French, Slav, Italian, Hungarian, Romanian, Alevi, Gipsy…etc.
…and please do not ask me stupid questions.
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 19:46:13
Dear Nemesis,
I have just one more question: do you think there are GENES of Pan-Turkism, so that a newly born Turkish baby is already a hopeless bloody monster?
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 18:58:22
Dear Artashes,
With all due respect, I disagree with you. I do not call a “nation” an entity comprised of different semi-cultural and semi-social tribes, with different traditions, customs, religions, ethnic backgrounds, whose elite is the mere cumulation of their tribal aristocracy, who are unified under bloody flag that, as Antranig correctly said, represents the blood of the turkish murderous policies, who are obliged to wear the mandatory “oglu” suffix, who are obliged to speak one language, and whose existence is based on the misery and sorrow that they brought to this world. 20th century was the century of ideologies. Turkish nationalism, or better called “pan- turkism”, as everything else which has turkish origins was/is a rotten idea. Unlike European national movements, which were more or less self-centered and sought as their primary goal preservation of national identity and national culture, turkish nationalism was/is expansionist, just like the communism. (I guess because there is nothing of their own to be preserved, except several minarets)
That is why I am little bit confused when someone calls himself a “turk”.
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 17:49:51
To Nemesis:
just a little remark -- being a soviet, just as being an adherent of Abdul Hamid or being a Young Turk, Kemalist or just some other type of a prostitute IS A CHOICE, being a Turk is not.
You must be able to differentiate between the two if you claim to be fighting for human rights.
signed on Friday, the 09. of March 2001 at 07:50:04
After all I have understood your point, Nemesis. Even though it is not what I had hoped, thank you very much anyway. It is better to know for sure than to have a wrong impression.
I promise I will no longer make a single attempt to correct you. I did it before supposing that disparaging the ENTIRE nation (making no difference between certain individuals whatsoever) and vilifying origins you were merely mad at your opponents on this web site. However, you have got me across that you REALLY mean what you are writing calling ALL Turks (regardless anything about certain personalities) "semi-humans" and other words into that effect, i. e. you do it consciously. This is what I tried to figure out, and finally I have the answer. Whatever it sounds like I appreciate you have given it to me at last… Looks like Artashes is smarter than me to have figured it out before, without keeping asking you the same question over and over again…
Under such circumstances, however, I have just one thing to ask you for. Even though Karin has already pointed it out, I would still find relevant to bring it up again: for the sake of the image of the Armenians try to refrain from posting anti-human expressions, so no bastard like Selim would have a right to accuse you of spreading out Nazi ideology, nor would other people (particularly, other than Armenians, Turks and Azeris) visiting this web site receive an impression of the Armenians as bloodthirsty monsters, just alike those who were massacring them in 1915-1921.
No doubt you are quite successful in pissing the hell out of our Azero-Turkish "friends" who write here occasionally; they deserve it one thousand times for denying the Armenian Genocide, but along with that you denigrate your own people, and they do really NOT deserve it!
Just take a moment to think of it. What more can I possibly say?..
signed on Thursday, the 08. of March 2001 at 18:20:19
I blame solely my English (which by the way is my fourth language) for not being able to convey properly what I meant.
Between 1894-1896 200 000 Armenians were slaughtered in Cilician Armenia by quasi-human nomads, called – turks. They were slaughtered not by Kemalist turks, but by Abdul Hamidian turks.
Pay attention to the following. In 1906, a miracle has happened. A group of “normal, cultured, progressive, educated” turks, kind of modern Taner Akchams and others, attended a memorial service in an Armenian cemetery for the victims of the Armenian massacres. Most of them (attendees) were future members of the “Committee of Union and Progress.” Just 7 years later, those same “normal, educated, cultured, progressive” turks initiated and implemented one of the most cruel acts in the human history. I don’t blame you that you don’t understand me. To me, being a turk is wrong, just like being a communist or soviet is wrong
signed on Thursday, the 08. of March 2001 at 15:57:46
So, a Turk who does NOT deny the Armenian Holocaust, but furthermore is repenting in what his ancestors did in the past, hates the petty Turkish government, and is ready to bring SINCERE apologies to the Armenians, is NOT a retarded one, NOT a semi-human.
Is this what you are saying? If not, is the statement above RIGHT or WRONG from your point? Just give a single word out of the two capitalized ones.
signed on Thursday, the 08. of March 2001 at 12:24:40
Texan Jew,
“Retarded” are those who deny the Armenian Genocide, and those who are in despaired search of excuses for their wrongdoing, and those are not necessarily “brainwashed” turks, but also people who have been born in democratic environment, and whose “upbringing” is very “humanistic”.
The US ambassador to Turkey is a good example.
signed on Thursday, the 08. of March 2001 at 11:17:58
To Nemesis:
Do you think being an exemption is an excuse, or maybe it makes you more patriotic than others?
If you are ready to massacre a Turk born say 20 years ago, who has learnt somehow about the Genocide, and is ready to put his/her life on line for its recognition and public apology with all the relevant consequences, then I don't see what your purpose with this issue is at all...
People like you will always find an excuse in their being an exception to silence the ones they hate and getting their inspiration in their "superiority" based on nothing of their own.
God be with you...
signed on Thursday, the 08. of March 2001 at 10:11:29
But WHO is "retarded", Nemesis? A brainwashed Kemalist, or a normal person who just happens to have a Turkish origin? Or both?
signed on Thursday, the 08. of March 2001 at 06:22:46
Dear Artashes,
I WILL NOT change my views about turks, even if they apologies to me personally. As I said, I am an exemption. I think they should have done this long before. I also think that it will take long time until both sides can come to terms with the history. I do not intend to help turks in their ordeal with their "bloody" government, because this is their own responsibility. Most Armenians would be relieved after such an apology.
Also it is not my fault that they are “retarded”. All men are equal, after all. Am I right Texan Jew?
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 23:27:32
So, is it YES or NO, Nemesis?
Without "IF"s please...
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 22:48:50
Dear Texan Jew,
If I say "NO", would you believe me?!?!
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 22:03:58
Dear Nemesis,
For God's sake, imagine a Turkish person who has never accessed this website and thereby does not know your views. He regrets about what his ancestors, feels guilty for it, and is ready to offer you and all the Armenians in the world his sincere apologies. But he is still a Turk.
My question:
Is he a semi-human to you?
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 21:50:37
Dear Texan Jew,
Are you trying to tell me that their apology is conditioned upon my views about turks?
The good thing about this kind of discussion is that, turks will know that there are bad Armenians (me) and good Armenians, just like in any other race, and probably will feel sorry that they have killed lots of good Armenians.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 21:08:42
Nemesis, the question was: are THEY still semi-humans to you, and should they leave the civilized World?
Note: The word 'THEY' refers to the Turks who repent in their wrongdoing and whose apologies you say you would accept.
Is my English so abstruse (hard to understand)?
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 20:51:41
Yes, I would accept their apologies, and I will not ask them why they choose to go back to their native bloody Mongolia!
PS: Aryan, means Indo-European. Sefaradic Jews and Assyrians are Semitic. Just for the record.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 20:41:56
To Nemesis:
I deeply regret that you failed to understand what I meant by my message.
I thought it was clear enough, and I just can't see what your comment has to do with my message...
If reading my previous comment again would help you to understand the essence of my point, I would strongly encourage you to read it over.
Here's a short summary. I am against your putting everybody in the same basket.
Listen, after all, there were Turks who saved a couple of Armenian lives during the Genocide too, right? I know, it's a miniscule minority, but why not spare those people?
When you call Turks "semi-human" or animals, and yourself an aryan -- you mess up a lot of dirty stuff. Reading what you write, even those Turks who support the Armenian issue, secretly or openly, will have no choice but to turn their backs on you -- you touch not upon their ignorance, their attitute toward things, you touch on smth. they cannot and should not change -- their enthnicity at birth!
Is this clear? I am not talking about the details of similarities between Kemalists and Nazis...
I am talking about intolerance based on ethnicity! Yes, majority of Turks, as well as all people with Turkic origins are retarded in their development, and especially in the sense of human rights!
Yes, the majority of Turks need to be taught a lesson just like Nazis and the Japanese in recent past, to shake up their rotten brains! But, hey, how about those Turks who rotten now in "Famous Turkish" prisons (the second object of Turkish national pride after their cuisine) because they dared to express an opinion on the crimes against humanity committed by the bloody Kemalists? You call them semi-human too, or just hate them because they are non-Aryan? Don't evade this point. This is all what my previous message to you was about!
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 20:36:28
Dear Nemesis,
Regarding the Armenian Holocaust denial I ENTIRELY share your point, as you may see in one of my messages addressed to Selim and some other reprobates who dare show up where they are obviously unwelcome and piss the hell out everybody. But again, the problem is your hatred is directed against the entire ORIGIN(S), not the sucking INDIVIDUALS. Or at least, you do your best to make it look so. Read the most recent Karin’s message addressed to you (February 22, 2001). In my message of February 21 I meant to say exactly the same, but I had chosen a mild and an indirect way, which I now kind of regret. In that very message I also say: "…let’s not turn away from those Turks who have found a courage to relinquish their "glorious views" and to repent." You did not write ANYTHING into this account…
So, once again (encore un fois, perhaps the fifth or the sixth time): Are the Turks who are ready to renounce Kemalism, admit the wrongdoing, and bring apologies to people suffered from them (yourself included) still "semi-humans" because they have Turkish origin and "should go back to their Mongol tents"?
It is a feature of "C" students to evade giving a straight reply the POSED question, "superseding" it by writing about something they have better knowledge of. In most US academic institutions off-topic essays receive zero points grade, regardless how clever they are writen. Our friend Selim, for instance, answered NO SINGLE QUESTION that I had posed, thus he would already be a protruding example of one…
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 20:12:14
Dear Texan Jew,
My explanation will not be detailed, but I am sure you will get my point. Tell me, how otherwise you would characterize those who committed one of the most heinous acts against humanity, and in the same time denying that all of these have ever happened. Ignorant? NO. They know very well what is all about. Simply, denying it is their perverted way of defending their “national” interests. You are right about “55% mistake”. I should have call him “biological discrepancy”.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 19:29:25
Dear Nemesis,
I can't help agreeing with everything that you have written beneath, except maybe the very first statement, but this is still an open discussion, let us leave it aside for now.
The most recent posting of yours, however, can indicate a reference only to the first paragraph of my today's writing addressed to you. I would really appreciate if you could comments on the rest of the posting, or at least answer the question I posed in the second paragraph.
On February 23rd you wrote: "Very good point, Texan Jew," thus I assumed that you got it, though I still reinforced my views with the statement immediately followed that posting of yours. And days later you again said "filthy turks/tatars/cherkez and other ape like animals..." Is this a "relapse"? Or my point isn't good anymore? I keep telling you that if the same 'Turk/Tatar/Cherkez and other ape like animal" (as you state) had got an access to what people in the civilized World have an access to, how do you know the person would have remained like an "animal" (in your wording)? I assure you he could have become BETTER THAN US, Aryans (including Armenians), Jews, Assyrians, whoever else!
You call our Azeri "friend" 55% mistake. Is there no way to say, for instance: "55% ignorance"? This would still not be quite right, for I don't think that other 15% or 30% [as declared, this is a weird ratio of the mix; a person with an analytical mind would assume all "contributing" origins to be in a fraction something like kx(1/2**n)x100%, where n and k are some natural numbers; k is positive] contribute into his educational level much more, since again: upbringing (including education) and origin are FAR DIFFERENT things to look at. I know some pathetic Jews as well as some bright Turks, for example... And I myself do not give a crap about his 30% of Jewishness - a moron is a moron everywhere, whatever origin he has or whatever Nation he affiliates himself to.
Despise people you don't like, but NEVER despise origins! It disgusts and distracts everybody around, not only scientists...
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 19:04:18
Please everyone and especially Azeris, I have on my site maps from 1550, 1829, etc..etc.. PURCHASED From www.ebay.com which undoubtedly prove that Karabagh is Armenian, and ancient Albania is way North of Baku, close to present-day Chechnya :
http://www.geocities.com/master8885/Maps/main.html
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 17:55:09
Dear Artashes and Texan Jew,
Repeatedly I do not think comparison between Nazi and Kemalist ideologies are appropriate, although they have a lot in common.
As you correctly pointed out it was not the Germans that were dreaming for New World order, but Germans who believed in Nazi ideology. Same can be said about Douche Italians, Imperial Japanese, Ukrainian Rights and yes even some Armenians. Here, we are talking about political ideology and political regime, its implications and its condemnation in the history of humanity. More over, Germans not only repented but also through their civilized demeanor, admitted the guilt and reestablished themselves among the civilized family of the nations.
The policies of extermination, subjugation, enslavement, total cultural, religious, and political dominance were essential part of the formation of the Ottoman Empire, and those policies continued to exist with few cosmetic changes until the down of the Empire and the establishment of the Kemalist “Republic”. All of the above were not simply “rules” by which the Empire was administered. For the turks these were “modus vivendi”. Political doctrines (which must be distinguished from different religious flows within Islam) have come to existence only in mid 19 century.
Kemalist “Republic” was not set up in empty spot. The Sultans regimes were not less cruel and less anti-human. From the very beginning, when turks first set foot in Caucasus, Asia Minor and Europe they showed off to the world the real meaning of the word “barbarian”.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 17:46:31
Dear Nemesis:
You may have noticed from my previous postings that I certainly agree with you in all the points concerning the Kemalists, particularly a vast majority of the Turkish government (if not all of it), and of course most of the population of the country which has unfortunately eluded the fate of Nazi Germany. The measures applied to the latter in 1945: a complete Allied occupation, abolishment of Hitlerism and all Nazi Institutions and Establishments, confiscation of the "illegally acquired" [in simple wording – looted] property, and finally conduct of a World-Open trial over the War criminals – ought to have been applied to Turkey back in 1920, and it grieves me so much that it had not been achieved by the British and Greeks, for if it had been, the Turks would have been a different nation, maybe even alike the Germans, at least in the matter of repentance in all evil they inflicted to the Humanity. Well, I would not like to expand my views here, for I do believe you must have read my previous posting they are reflected in. This time, however, I have to tell you something.
I have already tried twice to point out some issues that Artashes has explicitly written in the account of. Both times you seemed to agree with me, but after that you would again kind of "relapse", for example by calling our "most dear World Citizen" (who in fact amazed me by his willingness to teach me history, a petty high school drop-out is suggests that I need a head repair) a "55% mistake". I think there is no need to repeat my postings of February 21 and 23, 2001, because you don’t seem to be one of those who need reminding. The issue that Artashes has raised (the one you haven’t responded to so far) is your reference to origins. WE DO NOT COMMUNICATE WITH ORIGINS, WE COMMUNICATE WITH INDIVDUALS. I am a half-Aryan by birth (I just chose to affiliate myself to the Jews, but that is solely my private matter). However, never ever have I felt myself inferior to a 100% Jew or a 100% Aryan. I must admit, I do sometimes feel inferior to people (regardless their origin) who have a greater knowledge in my scientific area, for instance, because my background depends on ME (on MY willingness to acquire more), and not things that I CAN’T change, like my parents and place of birth... Did you pay attention to my question: "What would have happened to us if we had been born and raised in Turkey," in my message of February 21, 2001? And what if our "most Armenian-loving friend" Selim who is nine years older than I, but knows so little about history and nevertheless prods to all of us (particularly to me, a Ph. D. person) what the "truth" is, had been born in the USA, Australia, New Zealand, or a West European country, or had been raised there and brought up in a spirit of Democracy? The answer is: UNDER THIS SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES we would have been like them (our origin(s) would not have saved us – I told you what the reaction of the Armenian community of Turkey of the Genocide bill was; you have seen the letter of Turkish Jew addressed to Jacques Chirac too, haven’t you?) and they would have been like us now! Even with all their Turkish origin, for the latter NEVER tells ANYTHING about an intellectual ability of a certain individual. EVERY SINGLE NATION IN THE WORLD HAS THE GENIUS AND THE MORONS. Period.
Alas, our "friends" happen to have been born and raised in totalitarian societies (perhaps you remember my comparison of Kemaism to Leninism, and the latter was quite peculiar in Azerbaidjan in the Communist Era), and thus they keep posting their wretched thinking and petty accusations. I do despise them, but not for the being Turks or Azeris, but for them being a typical product of their "ultra-uni… best upbringing in the World"
In summary, the source of a person’s pride should be something created or achieved by HIS OWN, not by his ancestors, not even by his parents! That’s how the US has got by: no matter who your parents are, all that matters is WHO and WHAT you are and what you are capable of! Education is one of the tools to attain an achievement, but not the only one.
AN ORIGIN IS THE LAST THING TO TAKE PRIDE IN. The best reason for such statement is that the origin is not your achievement, it is merely what you were born with.
Those are actually Artashes’ words, I’ve just paraphrased them.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 14:45:35
To Nemesis:
Let me put id slightly differently: go 50 years back and look at Germany. Who or what is the monster there? Germans as ethnicity or Nazis as a regime and ruling ideology? You know the answer, right?
While the goal of the allies was to exterminate every single brainwashed Nazi bastard off the Earth, the goal wasn't to exterminate German race. Now look at modern Turkey. The same Hitler (except for difference in the name -- here they call him "father" instead of "leader"), the same Nazi regime (against everything that contradicts Ataturk's bloody dreams), the same brainwashed population in which even professors of history learn important facts about their past by only studying abroad.
The only difference is that Turks will never dare to declare a war on the rest of the world. Thus, nobody is gonna beat the hell out of them either (like thet shook Germany and Japan). What's the solution?
Well, the solution, or maybe part of it, is to support those Turks that have courage to speak out against their ruling regime and barbaric approaches to life, to open the eyes of the others to what the Turkish ruling regime since Ataturk really is, so that ignorant tourists do not think that it's a one happy country just by getting a sunburn on the beaches of Antalya and dining at some filthy place where cooks copulate with each other while serving exclusively lamb. If you want to generaize -- then yes, it's a country ruled by godless jackals who have a majority of the vote. But, as any generalization -- it ignores those Turks that realize what kind of shithole they are living in,who may perhaps one day lead the change. Things DO change, Nemesis, and nobody would ever think that the Pope would apologize for some crimes which were committed "in the name of" God a few centuries back. When it will be? I don't know. But by the racism that you seem to favor, leaves no choice other than to fight back for those Turks that want to learn the truth and live in peace with their conscience. It's wasteful. Just think what would happen if the allies set a goal to exterminate every single German instead of Nazi…
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 14:38:35
Dear Ardashes,
Do you really believe in sudden change of heart on the part of the turks? Having in mind our experience, don’t you think that it is little bit naïve to believe that turks will ever change? Remember 1896, 1908, 1915, and 1923… Actually, the countdown starts centuries earlier. Well, I do not.
Nothing has changed my dear! Nothing. How can you have a dialogue with a society whose representatives (2/3 of them) are still dreaming for “old Ottoman days,” and the other 1/3 feels comfortable with the semi-militaristic regime that governs this “modern” country. It is impossible to have a dialogue with a monster. First, you should destroy the monster. This is it.
Few months ago, a “leak” in the press revealed the continuation of the torture practices in Turkey. A young kurdish woman, and her 2 years old child were severely beaten, tortured and raped multiple times, while detained for alleged support for the PKK. Cases like these are common place in this “western” muslim country, but only very few of them are reported. You can not expect much from a country where “free speech” is a dirty word and often a sufficient reason for incrimination. As you can see, nothing has changed. Only their methods have become more sophisticated.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 12:52:29
To the Under-"World Citizen":
Thanks for letting us know what an ultimate form of human trash, that you so vividly represent, looks like.
No doubt, it is a huge "contribution" to the image of Azeris around the world. "Keep it up!"
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 10:50:36
To Selim and his compatriots:
This is from a major Turkish newspaper ("borrowed" from turkishpress.com on March 7, 2001)
MILLIYET- French Sodexho food service company
became the winner of a bid to cook for the army. The
Turkish Armed Forces had started employing various food
service companies in various pilot regions, and the
winner, Sodexho is still cooking for Turkish soldiers in
Gulhane Military Academy of Medicine (Ankara), North
Sea Field Command (Istanbul), and the Naval Supply
Center Command (Golcuk) in a pilot application. Sodexho
Director General Esref Hamamcioglu said that the
privatization of the food service in the military would
increase the quality of the food served for military staff,
and bring the old-fashioned `cauldron` style.
The question is to Selim-boy and his compatriots: WHAT'S GOING ON? WHERE IS YOUR NATIONAL PRIDE? Haven't you just declared boycott of all French imports???????? Or was it a joke?
You, bunch of ignorant and pathetic hypocrites! Famous Turkish cuisine!!! Give me a break -- you can't even cook for your own soldiers! Or maybe your soldiers prefer French service? Bloody morons, that's what your government, and all those who vote for it, are, Mr. Selim. Where are you, by the way? Counting your money? I bet you do, as you probably don't trust your pimp-ministers after all this mess, do you? Now that the ones like you and your government are trying to shut up folks like Halil Berktay, Mete Tuncan, Akin Birdal, just as they did with late Nazim Hikmet you should at least let us know about YOUR "progress" with studying the history of Turkish people. I guess there is none, right? You want another suggestion? Pray for yourselves and for your miserable souls if you believe in anything at all.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 10:48:40
To Nemesis:
Listen, "master of revenge", I don't know what do you want to prove every time you refer to your so-called "Aryan" ancestry, but I would like to point you out to the fact that the only reason people take pride in their origins is when there is nothing else to be proud about! Just look at KKK bastards, and try not to be just like them. That Aryan crap you mention in almost every single letter of yours is as cheap and idiotic as everything the Turks and Azeris write in this guestbook. What's your point after all? Aren't you old and sober enough to understand that people DO NOT choose their origins? Are you against Turks and Azeris just because they are Turks and Azeris? Personally I am against them (with some rare exception of people whose names are mentioned in the end of the above message) because they chose to be ignorant and arrogant about their bloody past and present, and not because they were born Turkic. I thought this website is about the ENLIGHTENMENT on certain issues, and not about racist propaganda! Make up your mind on what the purpose of Armenians is with the issue of Genocide, and try to be more enlightened and less hateful about things that have nothing to do either with Genocide and our conflict with Turks and Azeris.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 10:46:17
To antranik (continuation):
...yet the others must be beaten. That bloody Azeri "cosmopolitan" belongs to the latter category, and I don't think it's worth engaging in any dialogue with him here.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 10:45:10
To Antranik:
I understand that one filthy pig as the "world citizen" can contaminate the whole place with deadly germs, but please try not to degenerate to "world citizen's" level by engaging in petty fight full of personal insults. Some people understand when they are told, some understand when they are yelled at, yet the others must
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of March 2001 at 10:43:12
Dear Antranik,
Please accept my sincere condelences. We all knew that this will happen, but not so soon.
Anyway GENATZ !
signed on Monday, the 05. of March 2001 at 21:11:03
To all my friends who write in this guestbook. Please join me in the pain I am suffering from.
Yes, it's true. My dog Ataturk has died (satgave).
This comes after his achievement of giving birth to an entire nation of Turks. He will be sorely missed.
But there is light at the end of the tunnel. His decendants have built a huge mausolium in Ankara to remember their father and their lineage.
And as all the Turks he gave birth to shuffle by his grave they will all, in unison, raise one leg and take a piss, just like the dogs they all are.
signed on Monday, the 05. of March 2001 at 20:29:55
Maybe I should try to be a little more correct as it seems that my earlier opinion got removed. Although most of it was true! So here are the key points in a more proper manner.
To the opinion of the worst gene mixture, aka world citizen, here it goes.
Please, remember that when you insult me by calling me a Taliban, you are in fact insulting the very core of what you believe in. This is in regards to the teachings in your Koran which has also shapped the values in which you believe.
There is no doubt about this. You believe in Islamic beliefs and us in Christian ones. Christian beliefs have been shapped by our development of our Arts, Sciences, technology and medicine which stemmed from the Rennaisance and the Enlightenment. Yours stemmed from producing the Dried Apricot.
Furthermore, let us not forget your proud enhancements in murder techniques. Afterall does the red in the Turkish flag not represent the millions of Christians you have killed?
Also, it is your Taliban brothers who are supporting your buddy Osama Bin Laden. The one person who follows the Koran and convinces boys to strap bombs to their chests in order to blow up innocent people. These kids are then called martyrs. Pretty backward don't you think?
Turkey is not far off from what is happening there as we all know of the identity crisis you all suffer. Believe me, army or not, you too will soon be forced to grow beards, veil and lock up your women, and ban photography. This step will bring you face to face with your backwardness.
As an ending note, I would like to add a new joke to our discussion - "Investing in Turkey!"
Afterall, One US Dollar = 1 million lira!
Hey, maybe your leaders can do something to make it two million. Then all of you would think your multi millionaires. You guys are so backward that you probably wouldn't even know your getting poorer!
Antranik "The Honorable" Ozanian
P.S. To the Texan Jew. Just wanted to let you know that many of the above achievements were discovered by your people as well. "Long Live Masada!!!!"
signed on Monday, the 05. of March 2001 at 20:19:12
To World Citizen (Mutt)
First, By telling us your cultural background we can easilly assess that it is actually your mother who is a whore.
Also, your Taliban brothers used YOUR backward religion to destroy their own achievements. Who else would keep their women locked up in homes, tell the men to grow beards, and outlaw photo graphs. Trust me Turkey is not far off. They will soon follow the same path, army or not.
Also, always remember that your people want exactly what the west has. Our achievements in science, technology, music, and medicine. All your good at is producing turkish apricots. By the way, apricots from Armenia are better.
You want to join the West but you never can because you don't share our same values, especially in regards to human rights. We have grown up with Christian values whereas you with backwardness. After all, what else backward people would strap bombs to their chests and blow up inocent people and call themselves martyrs. WHAT BRAVERY!!!
Always, remember, Turkey is propped up by the West because for now you serve a usefullness to us. When we don't need you anymore we will discard you just like we did to that other backward nation Pakistan.
Oh, you want to hear another joke: "Investing in Turkey!" I think I'll use one American Dollar to pay your mom.
Gotta go, Ataturk wants to go out and pee.
Here Boy.
signed on Sunday, the 04. of March 2001 at 20:25:48
To the citizen of the turkic world:
Listen, multi-level mistake. First, you should quit drinking. Second, porno movies and subsequent immense masturbation would cause permanent sexual impotence, which combined with your mental impotence may prove deadly. Thus, I am afraid you will not be able to engage in your turkish homosexual games.
There is Armenian spelling of Zoroastra, and I am not surprised that there is no such a thing in turkish. As far as I know you even, do not have an alphabet.
Could you be more specific when referring to turkish (or non-Armenian) monuments in Artzakh. Probably you mean the few turkish cemeteries and a pile of feces left by your ancestors.
I do not understand why you are so much concerned about Armenian leadership. Maybe your “Gray wolfs” masters have not instructed you yet what to do next.
Your style very much reminds me another prominent idiot that was frequent visitor in this Guestbook – “George from Iowa,” whose original whereabouts were “Mehmet from Gianga.”
As usual my friendly note: It is not your mistake that you are mistaken. It can happen even in the best families. Obviously, your cretinism is in embryonic phase, and if proper steps are undertaken, it can be cured.
signed on Saturday, the 03. of March 2001 at 16:16:10
To the World Citizen:
I am not really surprized with your rudeness, it is quite typical of this type of uneducated and moreover - ignorent people. If you claim to teach history to a person who holds a US doctoral degree, then I think it is quite the right time for you to proclaim yourself a "Maid of Azerbaidjan" and go rescue it from the "wicked" Armenians "in the name of God", just like Joan of Arc going to fight the English claimed herself the "Maid of Laurainne", one of the reasons she ended her life being burned at the stake.
A little historical remark: the French bishops who condemned Joan of Arc were professors at the University of Paris. I do not try to justify them, but that is an example of what usually happens when an ingnorent person, just like your own, prods the educated to what is "right". It verbally pissess off, and makes any sober discussion of absolutely no value. The best suggestion for you is GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE! Period.
signed on Saturday, the 03. of March 2001 at 16:14:38
Listen you 55% mistake – citizen of the turkic world!
When your 55% quasi-human ancestors were defecating and copulating on horsebacks, my ancestors were busy creating world class culture and science. Later those same 55% scum of the earth destroyed what my ancestors have build. It is true though that we are Nietche type people. How otherwise we could survive the filthy turks/tatars/cherkez and other ape like animals. So said Zoraustra!
Sorry, I shouln't insult the apes!
signed on Friday, the 02. of March 2001 at 14:47:49
For point 5, I would like to see what would have happened if the muslims were armed. There would probably be no Serbs or Croats left in Bosnia. I guess Turkish support for using aggressive tactics in Macedonia is OK as well as in the Presovo valley. What a bunch of bigots.
As for the "30% Jew, 15% Armenian and proud! - World Citizen" - Shoon. The biggest joke I have ever heard is the term "Azerbaijani historical monuments."
You Tatars don't know how to build anything you bunch of sheppards. You don't even know how to plant wheat. As for real monuments, why don't you check out what you have done in Nachichevan, you bigot.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go walk my dog Ataturk. Does that not mean your father.
Here boy, fetch. Good dog!!!
Later, boys.
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of February 2001 at 19:24:52
The next move the Turkish government will presumably undertake is to erect Hitler's statue in Ankara, for "...the judgement belongs to history," as the article 6 asserts.
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of February 2001 at 13:25:45
The pinnacle of Turkish idiotism. Have a good laugh.
PARLIAMENTARY FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMISSION ADOPTS DRAFT LAW
AGAINST INTERNATIONAL CLAIMS, ACCUSATIONS AND DISTORTIONS
Anadolu News Agency
21 Feb. 2001
ZAMAN (CONSERVATIVE)
ANKARA - The Parliamentary Foreign Affairs Commission adopted on Tuesday the
draft law against ''International Claims, Accusations and Distortions.''
The draft law prepared by Kamran Inan, the Parliamentary Foreign Affairs
Commission Chairman, foresees any imposition regarded with claims of so-
called genocide on Armenians, which the history did not assess and accept,
to be considered as ''hostile acts.''
The articles of the draft law against ''International Claims, Accusations
and Distortions'' are as follows:
1 - Turkey denies the claims of so-called genocide on Armenians which the
history did not confirm and accept, and considers any imposition on the
issue as ''hostile attitude.''
2 - Turkey condemns the attitude of France and other forces who used the
Armenians for their interests during the World War I, and their attitude in
causing loss of lives by inciting them (Armenians) to rebel.
3 - Turkey harshly condemns the support and protection given to ASALA
terrorism.
4 - Turkey condemns occupation of Upper Karabakh and Azeri territories, and
forcing people to immigrate. Turkey also refuses broadening of territories
by using force.
5 - Turkey condemns those who remain as spectators to the massacre of more
than 200,000 people in Bosnia-Herzegovina because of their religion, and
declares that France and other European forces have moral responsibility.
6 - The history, which concerns all humanity, can not be changed, rewritten,
and distorted with political decisions. The judgement belongs to history.
7 - The government takes required measures for opening the reasons mentioned
in the above articles, to the discussions of the world public opinion.
Stating that the allegations of Armenian genocide are also brought onto the
agenda of some countries other than France, Inan said Armenia is insistent
on its policy to use its own minority against Turkey. ''They will pay the
damage. Those who make out accounts for others should not forget that they
will also have to account for themselves. I hope the things would not go
that far.''
The draft law is expected to be submitted to the Office of Parliament
Speaker on Tuesday.
signed on Tuesday, the 27. of February 2001 at 22:43:30
To the world citizen: You should know more about the history of the world prior to claiming about Azeri historical monuments being destroyed in Karabakh. There have been none there! Have you ever been to Karabakh? Being an Azeri, as I strongly suspect you are, you should know that in the 80-100 years of the total history of your people you have been too preoccupied by destroying the traces of Armenian heritage in Karabakh or claiming the properties of Armenian oil-magnates in the beginning of the century, or the store owner Armenians in Baku or elsewhere at the end of 1980s. Don't forget how many innocent Armenians that blood-thirsty Azeri gangs have killed in Sumgait or Baku. Even the half-Armenian half -Jewish Garry Kasparov had to flee the Baku to avoid the massacres. I assume you know these facts if you are ashamed to mention which ethnicity the 55% of your heritage belongs to. no wonder...
signed on Monday, the 26. of February 2001 at 09:17:36
This is perhaps the most comprehensive, professional, and impressive site about ArmeniaI have ever seen. I look forward to its progression and development.
signed on Saturday, the 24. of February 2001 at 19:50:50
To 30% Jew, 15% Armenian and proud! - World Citizen:
Listen, I don't give a damn what your origin is, but your thoughts need serious repair. You sound just like a Nazi German in 1933 accusing the Jews of "enslaving" the German people, or, to take a less spacious example, like Soviet government in 1939 undertaking their "glorious" war against Finland accusing the "Counter-revolution supporting Finns" of attempting to capture Leningrad - have a pity, Leningrad's population in 1939 was exceeding the entire population of the Republic of Finland!
Now you accuse the Armenians of "destroying" Azeri culture and monuments. However, you have said NO SINGLE WORD about all Greek, Armenian, Kurdish, and all other nowadays Turkish minorities civilizations' traces that have been (and, in fact, are STILL being) THOUROUGHLY eradicated by the Turkish "truly democratic" government.
All I can say is throughout the World History, considering whatever part of the Earth, it was quite typical for an aggressor to accuse its victim of doing what the aggressor had ACTUALLY done. That's what you do, thus no educated person reading your obsessive accusations on this web site will take you seriously.
signed on Saturday, the 24. of February 2001 at 13:01:15
To the "30% Jew, 15% Armenian and proud! - World Citizen"
Dear 55% Azeri,
Scroll down this guestbook, and carefully read my comments to your compatriot "George, from Iowa" -- it should answer your "concerns" regarding Armenian occupation of Azeri territory!
There is no need to feel so miserable about your identity -- calling yourself a "world citizen" doesn't
excuse you from knowing history of Jews, Armenians, and Azeris in 30/15/55 ratio (at least). Until then, spare this website your ignorant comments.
signed on Saturday, the 24. of February 2001 at 11:58:01
I am glad that you have gotten my point right, Nemesis.
There are no "SUB(or SEMI-)humans". There is, however, "SUBupbringing".
signed on Friday, the 23. of February 2001 at 09:01:45
Very good point Texan Jew,
I hope someone from the American Board of Missionaries will read your message. Instead of sending proselytizers in countries, that has been Christian long before their own, Protestant missionaries should go and spread the Word of God among their immediate “friends” - the turks.
signed on Thursday, the 22. of February 2001 at 21:33:08
This is the letter from US Congressmen sent to the Turkish President.
"""
U.S. Congressional Members Send Letter to the President of Turkey
by Atour
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2000 09:29 am CST
The Honorable Ahmet Necdet Sezer
President of Turkey
The Honorable Madeleine Albright
United States Secretary of State
Dear President Ahmet Necdet Sezer:
Dear Secretary Albright:
We write to request your active involvement in a matter concerning freedom of conscience in
Turkey. On October 6, Father Yusuf Akbulut, an Assyrian priest in Turkey, was arrested by Turkish
authorities for speaking his mind on the issue of atrocities committed against the Ottoman Empire's
Christian minorities during the First World War. We ask that you convey to the Turkish Government
that the United States expects its allies to respect the right of freedom of expression for all human
beings.
Father Yusuf is a priest from St. Mary's Syriac Orthodox Church in Diyarbakir, Turkey. In early
October, he was approached by reporters from Hurriyet, a major Turkish newspaper. When asked
his views on the subject of the Armenian Genocide of the early 20th Century, Father Yusuf replied
that he believed not only that Armenians were killed, but also Assyrians. On October 4, Hurriyet
published an article with a photo of Father Yusuf, labeling him "A Traitor Among Us." Two days
later, he was arrested by Turkish military security agents. He has been held since that time by the
Turkish authorities, and is now under house arrest. Father Yusuf has been charged under Article 312,
which carries a prison sentence of one to three years.
We understand that the subject of atrocities committed by the Ottomans during World War One
remains a delicate one in Turkey. Nonetheless, we feel that disputes about the historical record
should not be used as an excuse for denying any person their right to freedom of speech and
conscience. We ask you to convey our concerns to the Turkish Government, and ask them to
demonstrate respect for Father Yusuf's rights.
Sincerely,
Rod R. Blagojevich
Member of Congress
John Edward Porter
Member of Congress
Frank R. Wolf
Member of Congress
Anna G. Eshoo
Member of Congress
Michael E. Capuano
Member of Congress
Ray LaHood
Member of Congress
signed on Thursday, the 22. of February 2001 at 11:12:05
Nemesis, don't be so hateful, please understand that by being opinionated about all the Turks you don't help our cause. There are many Turks who aggree with the fact of genocide. I think it's below our true nature to accuse a whole nation of being defected because of a part of them (even if its their larger part) is wrong, has committed crime, or denies the truth. We are Christians, and though I don't agree with the fact that we should let the beast eat the lamb, or turn your cheek if you are hurt once, but I sincerely oppose to turning into a beast.
And since a lot of other nationals are reading this guestbook, you may leave an impression, that you are as blood-thirsty as the Turks were.
signed on Thursday, the 22. of February 2001 at 11:09:32
I have been referred to this website by our family friend. I found the discussion here quite interesting. I am not surprised that Turkish subscribers do not like to acknowledge the fact of the Genocide. Let me share with you my point of view.
Last autumn there was an assyrian priest arrested in Turkey for his acknowledgement of the Genocide, not only Armenian but assyrian as well. He noted to the journalists that thousands of Assyrians have been killed along with Armenians. Here in the US, then Sec. State
Madlaine Albraight raised a campaign writing letters to the Turkish Governments and expressing her concern over the human rights violations. The Turkish persons signing here they would be probably accused and arrested if they even try to find out the truth. They are perhaps
afraid that if they look into the literature, beyond the general propoganda, they will be convinced that their government lies. IT's such a pain to know that you have been living in a lie for so long. You doubt your origins , your roots. And that's a
horrible feeling, and I guess it is in human nature to avoid it. Yet, it takes a strong human, a challenger, who'd go beyond the shields of lies. Brainwashing has been so successful in Turkey.
I won't write more, but please read what I am adding from the assyrian website. They have excerpts from various international news sources about the priest's arrest. They present turkish press as well.
"""""
International News Articles on Father Yusuf Akbulut
by various sources.
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2000 09:48 am CST
Turkish Court Tries Assyrian
Priest For Backing Armenians
by Associated Press,
December 22, 2000.
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- An
Assyrian priest stood trial
Thursday for inciting religious
hatred for allegedly backing
international calls for Turkey
to recognize the Ottoman
Empire's killings of Armenians
early this century as genocide.
Turkey says that hundreds of
thousands of Armenians were
killed while the Ottoman
Empire tried to quell civil
unrest, but insists the killings
didn't amount to genocide.
Prosecutors charged Yusuf
Akbulut with causing ethnic
and religious hatred and
demanded his imprisonment
for up to three years. He
allegedly also said that
Assyrians were among the
victims.
Akbulut, of the Assyrian
Virgin Mary church in the
southeastern city of
Diyarbakir, denied the
allegations and said his
conversations with local
reporters in October were
published without his consent.
The court in Diyarbakir
adjourned the trial to Feb. 22,
to study a video tape of the
interview.
A leading human rights
activist, Akin Birdal, also
faces prosecution for
reportedly referring to the
killings as "genocide."
Dozens of writers,
intellectuals and journalists
have been jailed under Turkish
laws which limit freedom of
speech.
In November, the European
Parliament called on Turkey to
recognize the killings of
Armenians in the Ottoman
Empire early this century as
genocide. Earlier, the French
senate recognized the killings
as genocide.
In the U.S., a House
resolution recognizing the
Armenian genocide was
shelved early October after
President Bill Clinton warned
that its passage could
seriously damage ties with
Turkey.
"""
Turkish Priest Goes on Trial
for Provoking Hatred
by Reuters, December 22,
2000.
DIYARBAKIR, Turkey
(Reuters) -- A Turkish court
on Thursday began the trial of
a Syriac priest accused of
"provoking hatred" by telling
newspapers that his Christian
minority community had been
victims of genocide by Turks.
Witnesses at the State
Security Court in the
southeastern city of
Diyarbakir said Father Yusuf
Akbulut had contested the
charge leveled against him,
which could earn him
between one and three years
in jail.
He was quoted earlier in the
year as saying that Turks had
systematically killed Syriac
Christians in the southeast at
the turn of the 20th century.
He made the comments after a
U.S. congressional panel
approved a resolution
characterizing the killings of
Armenians in the latter days of
the Ottoman empire as
genocide.
"I was chatting (with
journalists) off the record. I
was not giving my personal
views but what was said by
my elders at the church and
by those who came to visit. I
do not support the Armenian
genocide bill, and I do not
accept the accusations in the
charge sheet," Akbulut told
the court.
The hearing, watched by a
number of western diplomats,
was adjourned until February
22.
A few thousand Syriac Christians, one of the world's oldest denominations, live in Turkey's mainly
Kurdish southeast, formerly the site of fierce conflict between Turkish forces and separatist Kurdish
rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party.
"""
Priest Yusuf Arrested in Front of Tourists
by Istanbul Hurriyet in Turkish - 06 Oct 00 p 14.
Diyarbakir -- Just when the so-called Armenian genocide resolution passed by the International
Relations Committee of the US House of Representatives has been causing tension between the
United States and Turkey, the police arrested Yusuf Akbulut, the priest of the Syriac [Suryani] Holy
Mary Church in Diyarbakir, for his statement that "Along with the Armenians the Syriacs too were
subjected to genocide."
Yesterday, at around 0930, a team from the Public Order Department of the Security Directorate
went to the Holy Mary Church in the Alipasa district. They told priest Yusuf Akbulut, in front of
locals and foreign tourists, to get ready and go with them. In the meantime the DHA [Diyarbakir
News Agency] correspondents Ramazan Yavuz and Ozgur Cebe, who were waiting by the church
door, were driven away from the street by the police. After confiscating the camcorders and
photograph cameras of the journalists for a short time, the police took priest Yusuf Akbulut out of
the church and brought him to Melikahmet Street via the back roads. Priest Akbulut was then put
inside the police car waiting there and taken to the Security Directorate.
THE FOLLOWING NEWS ARTICLE WAS PRINTED IN THE TURKISH NEWSPAPER,
HURRIYET. IT IS SHOWN HERE FOR INFORMATIONAL REFERENCE PURPOSES
ONLY.
Not only the Armenians but also the Suryani(Assyrians) have been massacred
by Raman Yavuz - Turkish newspaper Hurriyet (04.10.2000)/ HRWF International Secretariat
"""
The Traitor Among Us
Throughout the whole 2O th century, the Turkish state has refused to recognize the Genocide of
1914. This is a taboo issue in Turkey and anybody raising this issue is considered a traitor. This is
what happened quite recently to a Syrian-Orthodox priest.
Turkish newspaper Hurriyet (04.10.2000)/ HRWF International Secretariat (27.11.2000) - Website:
http://hrwf.net - Email: info@hrwf.net - The clergyman of the Syrian-orthodox (Suryani) parish of
Diyabakir, priest Yusuf Akbulut, is supporting the draft of the alleged genocide of the Armenians,
which was accepted by the subcommission of the US-House of Representatives. The priest of the
Suryani Meryemana Church (Mother Maria) declared that the assertion about a genocide of the
Armenians are correct and that also his fellow believers have been victims.
As a pure invention the priest stated: "Not only the Armenians, also the Suryani [Syrian Christians]
have been victims of the genocide, with the only reason that they are Christians. The Suryani have
been massacred in great numbers (droves). And in this genocide the Kurds were used.
The priest of the Meryemana church belonging to the Suryani parish in the quarter of Alipasha,
Diyabakir, claims that 1914 there has been a genocide on the Armenians. And together with the
Armenians the Suryani living in great numbers in Diyabakir and Mardin, have also been victims of the
genocide for the reason that they are Christians. Priest Akbulut gave the following reasons for his
assertions:
"The homeland of the Suryani is Mesopotamia, and for the Armenians the provinces of Mush,
Erzurum, Van, Erzincan and Sivas. The Armenians were settling in this areas. Why today there are
no more Armenians, they have been a very big population at that time? In our area one remembers
this time as "kafle". What means "kafle"? It means genocide. All people of this area are knowing the
truth. I don't say this just for supporting the Armenians. What I am saying is that the fact of the
genocide is correct. Nobody can deny it. I am a religious person, I am saying what is true."
The priest Yusuf Akbulut is further claiming that the Kurds living at that time in the areas of
Armenians and Suryani, have been used, he declares:
"They [the Turks] promised the Kurds, that who would kill 7 Christians, he will go to the paradise.
And therefore also the Kurds who believed this, took part at this genocide. The Kurds which
sometimes are visiting today our church are realizing this and feel sorry about it. In Mesopotamia, the
real native country of the Suryani their numbers today are very reduced. But in the states of Europe
they are very numerous. They have been forced to emigrate. Today there are no more repression
against us. We feel more or less good, no more under pressure. We are content with our life. But we
cannot deny history."
Priest Akbulut made it clear that independent of the results of the discussions in USA the Suryani will
raise their voices and will obtain a hearing to the world about what terrible times their forefathers
went through."
signed on Thursday, the 22. of February 2001 at 10:58:02
i would be very interested to know more on lenguages
signed on Thursday, the 22. of February 2001 at 06:03:10
Dear Nemesis:
I have read your immediate posting, and if you don’t mind, I would like to make a little correction. I can not agree with you saying: "being a Turk is a serious birth defect." Overall, it does not matter WHAT your origin is and WHERE you were born; ALL that maters is HOW you were brought up. For instance, the Torah (for you, I think, this is the Old Testament) states that to affiliate yourself to Judaism you do NOT have to possess a Jewish origin. ALL that you must do is to observe the Torah’s laws, most of which, by the way, were adopted by Christianity and Islam.
Thus, I think the point you tried to make was something like: "…it is a serious defect to be BROUGHT UP as a Kemalist." This is what I would definitely agree with you upon. There are at least three great historical examples to model the modern Turkey: the Communist Soviet Union, the Nazi Germany, and even in nowadays the People’s Republic of China. All the youth organizations instituted by the totalitarian regimes based on cults of accordingly Lenin, Hitler, and Mao Tse Doon: "Young Leninists", "Hitler
Jungents", – had the purpose to produce vicious zealots to advocate their authority and fanatics ready to sacrifice their very lives for the "highest ideals" (better say "the highest idols"). Monuments and pictures of the "Fathers of Nation," total brainwashing propped by the "genuine" propaganda, and utter intolerance to ANYTHING different – is a very typical picture and, in fact, is the UNIQUE feature of ANY cult-based totalitarian society we have some "representatives" to deal with. Propaganda in Turkey is quite powerful, just like it used to be in the two of the above named countries and still remains in the third one, and Selim thinks he can force change of our minds, the thoughts of the people who are FREE to think and free choose sources to obtain any information of interest from. People of the totalitarian societies are simply deprived of what we all, by God’s grace, have – A CHOICE.
Believe it or not, I do know Turks who feel guilty for what was done by their ancestors. I have a good German friend who feels guilty for all evil his ancestors did to all nations that suffered Nazi violence. All these people have courage to look at their history and recognize their faults, a feature that no brainwashed dictate-supporters are capable of. Their government is the "best the World has ever known." I heard such phrases, or words into this effect so many times from former Soviet Jews, and what I see in posting is exactly the same, so this is merely a stereotype our Turkish "friends" from this web site certainly belong to. They have NONE of independent thinking; all they come up with is what they "learned" from "the most reliable source in the World – Turkish Press. You probably know that the Turkish Armenian Association condemned (!) France for passing the genocide bill. Have you read the letter presumably written by a Turkish Jewish person posted by Selim? All that I would say to that Jewish person is: "I am glad I am not you!" However, considering these two examples, what do you think we would be now if we had been born and grown up in Turkey? Are you sure we would have been able to overcome the treatment that, as I mentioned earlier, only the strong can resist? We are luckier than them.
However, most of the Turks I have referred in the beginning of the paragraph above, were born in Turkey, and some of them even raised there. But their upbringing is certainly different from that of our Turkish "friends" who keep reflecting their ultimate obsession on this web site. Thus it is NOT a defect to be born as Turk, the defect is to be brought up as an "Ataturkist" (the best synonym of Leninist). Therefore let’s not turn away from those Turks who have found a courage to relinquish their "glorious views" and to repent.
signed on Wednesday, the 21. of February 2001 at 11:40:39
To Selim:
I would like to point out to some "secular" people (sorry if I am wrong using the term, but I have every single reason to think that way): eating pork is indeed a religious offense for Jews, and religious Muslims too. However, Republic of Turkey is "officially" a secular state lived by and for sure governed by PREDOMINANTLY heathen (and, in fact, godless) bastards, then the question still is: if you happen to be an officially secular Turk, then why wouldn't you eat pork? The answer is either that of Nemesis or the one from the Midnight express, as I pointed out in the most recent message addressed to you.
My point is that most Turks don't eat pork without having a religious constraint (since they believe that Ataturk is greater than Allah)...
And it is DEFINITELY not you who should point out who owes me "a second excuse".
signed on Wednesday, the 21. of February 2001 at 07:56:07
Take it easy Nemesis! Just a remark, eating pork is banned also for Jewish people. You owe a second excuse to Texan Jew for your racist thoughts!
By the way, how is your training and brainwashing session in ASALA terrorist camp located in Bekaa Valley, Lebanon?
signed on Wednesday, the 21. of February 2001 at 00:52:07
This is for the guy with the letter:
126 HOLOCAUST SCHOLARS AFFIRM THE INCONTESTABLE FACT OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND URGE WESTERN DEMOCRACIES TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE IT
At the Thirtieth Anniversary of the Scholar's Conference on the Holocaust and the Churches Convening at St. Joseph University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 3-7, 2000, one hundred twenty-six Holocaust Scholars, holders of Academic Chairs and Directors of Holocaust Research and Studies Centers, participants of the Conference, signed a statement affirming that the World War I Armenian Genocide is an incontestable historical fact and accordingly urge the governments of Western democracies to likewise recognize it as such. The petitioners, among whom is Nobel Laureate for Peace Elie Wiesel, who was the keynote speaker at the conference, also asked the Western Democracies to urge the Government and Parliament of Turkey to finally come to terms with a dark chapter of Ottoman-Turkish history and to recognize the Armenian Genocide. This would provide an invaluable impetus to the process of the democratization of Turkey.
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of February 2001 at 23:45:27
To the sons of the turks below:
Dear MORONS,
Why do not you do us a favor at least once? Please leave this guestbook and leave us alone. Don’t you understand that there cannot be peace without justice. Armenian Genocide is a historical fact and instead of spending millions of dollars to deny the obvious, strain your little brains to answer the ultimate question:
“ Why such a well-documented and historically proven fact is not yet recognized?”
When the time comes, we will take back what belongs to us. Do not fool yourselves. At that time your so -called “Republic of Turkey” would be a marginal “human” mass. I know that being a turk is a serious birth defect, but please make an effort not to reveal your true nature because many people from different nationalities are reading your postings.
After getting Armenian Genocide recognized, be prepared to answer another “annoying” questions as to “What happened to 300 000 Pontic Greeks, 500 000 Assyrians, and tens of thousands of Slavs and other Christians in Eastern Trace?
P.S. Do you know why turks do not eat pork?
It would be considered as a patricide!
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of February 2001 at 23:04:43
Here is a quote from a genocide scholar, from 1998, who has been banned from the Ottoman archives for wanting to see the demographics of the Ottoman Empire before the Armenian Genocide.
"The Armenian Genocide was a crime against all mankind, a crime against humanity, not just an ethnic conflict between the Turks and the Armenians."
Hilmar Kaiser
Thursday, November 19, 1998
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of February 2001 at 19:07:28
hi selim
i m happy you here
same people wonts war for notingggggg
we turk like Armenians that s it
look at the pass we eat same cup
we all stop fighting
if you fight for wat you like to keel
all the turk you like blat
stop guys lest enjoy costom we all same
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of February 2001 at 14:41:38
I would like to get some info on planning to go visit Armenia for the 1700yrs of Christianity!
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of February 2001 at 08:47:16
Hi guys,
Sorry for my late response. I’m out of home for a business trip, so you will receive my answer to all your postings in
afew day. When I was checking my mail log I found a letter from my friend in Istanbul, Izak (Isaac as you called). Here is a letter from one of his friends to Mr. Chirac:
January 28, 2001
Mr. Jacques Chirac President
Republic of France Paris, France
Mr. President:
I am addressing this letter to you to express my outrage at the recent
adoption of a resolution by the French National Assembly regarding a
so-called "Armenian genocide". I strongly believe that this act, if
confirmed by you, will constitute a grave injustice and put a stain on your
country's history, credibility and its tradition of human values.
I am a Jewish person born in Turkey, who spent the last 32 years of her
life
living in Israel, Australia, Canada and presently in the U.S.A. While my
life's journeys made me very much of a world citizen, virtually ridding me
of all narrow nationalistic views, they sharpened a very strong intolerance
in me to injustice, wherever or whenever I see one. This resolution by your
country's National Assembly, is one such injustice.
I am not a historian but I know this: what some factions of Armenian people
are advocating against Turkey, is an insult to any educated person's
intelligence. I am not historian but I am Jewish. Who better than my
people, would know the definition of "genocide"? No Turk, at no time of
history, has committed genocide. Turk will not do this. The fact of the matter is that no other
country in Europe or elsewhere like your country, the France, has opened its
doors when my people were first tornired and then expelled from Spain in
1492.
The Turks did! That is why they will never do something like this. No other country in Europe (sadly including yours),
protected
its Jewish and other minorities during WWII. Turkey did! All Turkey's
minorities have lived in safety throughout history. Turkey was Nazi sympathizer
some say. I say no, it can't be.
I am not saying Armenians in Anatolia never suffered. They did. So did
the
Turks themselves! There were atrocities committed in those unfortunate
times. But by BOTH sides. How would you define the actions of a separatist
minority joining forces with their time of war, killing their country's
soldiers from their back (not to as well)? I think you would call this
"treason". What your country "traitor" is documented. Let us not forget
DREYFUS! (sadly , he was not even a traitor!) But even then, Turkey did not
commit a "genocide". They rather chose to dislocate this minority so they
would not be able to cooperate with the enemy. No, it was not easy on them,
I am sure. But I do not believe any country would be soft, loving and
tolerant, in the wake of treason and killings by separatist and destructive
elements.
I urge you Mr. President to overturn this outrageous and unfair resolution
by your Parliament. Let France and Europe come clean. For it is Europeans
who should best know the meaning of genocide. They have done it so many
times, in so many places. The memories of millions of Jews, Gypsies,
Blacks,
North and South American natives, people of Polynesia, Africa, Aboriginals
and many others call upon you to do justice. With a history like that, do
you find in yourself the right to judge? I hope you will rather leave
history to historians like Holocaust.
Europe and the whole Western World should embrace Turkey with their open
Arms instead of waging "Crusades" upon them. Afterall, this is one western
democracy, the only one in the Islamic world, which should hold the torch
for others to come.
Turkey is an Asset to world community. Do her justice like it did to others!
Respectfully,
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of February 2001 at 04:59:34
To Kadir:
I think you've been in a deep sleep for several years now: otherwise how could you forget to give "praise" to the Turks (including yourself) who manage to survive PKK?
I know, you will write that PKK kills Kurds too, right?
Of course, that's the official interpretation of events by your government, isn't it? "Armenians killed Turks, Kurds kill both Kurds and Turks, and Turkey is a "truly" nation of martyrs".
It's not hard to guess the brainwashed idiotic "praises" you may want to write on this website instead of enriching Turkish websites with your crap.
I have a suggestion to improve the quality of your contributions here: GET LOST!!!
signed on Monday, the 19. of February 2001 at 11:54:43
To Kadir:
You forgot to give your praise to all Nazi Germans who happen to have "survived" Allied war crime tribunals, particulrly the major one in Nuernberg.
Give also praise to the Fascist criminals who have "survided" what you would call "Jewish UNjustice", naming Ivan Demyanyuk who was unlickily not hanged by the Israelies, the fate that Adolf Eichmann, to your excessive sorrow, hadn't managed to evade.
Refer to my previous messages, if you have any questions.
signed on Monday, the 19. of February 2001 at 10:41:48
I would like to give praises to all the Turks and the Kurds that survived from the armenian gangs.Nobody can change the history.
signed on Monday, the 19. of February 2001 at 08:15:49
I have a dream and I know it will come true when Armenia becomes a strong country and
Armenians become a prosperous nation in the face of Turkic bashibozuk.
I like what you have started, and I wish you success, because your success belongs to all Armenians of the world. Thank you.
signed on Sunday, the 18. of February 2001 at 13:03:49
To all:
I would like to enter the discussion with the viewpoint on how the Genocide Continues to this day. A very good site to visit is
http://www.virtualani.freeserve.co.uk/
All should go to see the RAPE of our beloved ANI.
"...the ongoing and relentless efforts of republican Turkey to destroy any remaining Armenian historical monuments and to eliminate any evidence of historic Armenia. The markers and monuments testifying to the existence of the Armenian people in their homeland have thus become the final victims of the genocide begun in 1915."
- Robert Jebejian
A good example of my point above is the destruction of THE MONASTERY OF KHTZKONK. And on how all of the ancient frescoes in the churches have been painted over.
Lots of fun eh Selim?
A proud quote which shows our previous glory can be found on the walls off the Ani Cathedral:
"In the year 450 (AD 1001) of the Armenians ... at the time of Sarkis, honoured by God and
Catholicos, spiritual lord of the Armenians, and during the glorious reign of Gagik, shahanshah of the Armenians and of the Georgians, I Katranideh, Queen of the Armenians, daughter of Vasak, King of Siunik, entrusted myself to the mercy of God and, by order of my husband Gagik shahanshah, built this holy cathedral, which the great Smbat had founded ..."
- Part of a 21 line inscription on the
southern facade of the Ani Cathedral
Selim, the world will soon know. Trust me, we are winning. Our victory comes from documents, proof, pictures, other various sources, and the archives of the Western World. Actually, even the Middle East!
What do you Turks have. All your sources are un- reliable. Turks can't even conduct a proper population census. From what I read (on the BBC) Turkish families counted the dead so that they may
receive their benefits.
signed on Saturday, the 17. of February 2001 at 10:26:52
I would like to give praises to all the people that survived. You are all very strong. Good luck and fortune in the rest of your lives.
Victoria Pena
signed on Friday, the 16. of February 2001 at 07:00:21
To my friends Nemesis, Texan Jew, Karin and all the others that write on this site... please ignore these ignorant Turks in their
misinterpretation of history, it is not their fault, the denial is now
part of their society. Do they really think that Talaat or Enver would of
documented the fact that they slaughtered the Armenian population? Just like
Hitler all of the final orders were always given orally. Those documents that
survived were used by the the court martial conducted by the Ottoman Turkish
government in 1919 against the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide and
convicted to death in absentia the three organizers of the Armenian Genocide (Talaat,
Enver, Cemal). The denier Turks are like a disease, and we should be irritated by the
itchiness of their mosquito bite... they are nothing to us, they do not have what we have.... a decent history...
In the end they will pay, these denier accomplices to one of the greatest crimes
against humanity.
signed on Thursday, the 15. of February 2001 at 22:07:14
To the self-alleged "Armenian and Jewish loving Turk" Selim:
In my previous message I forgot to mention the following: to follow the "story" (I surmise you meant "history") of Israel, your country AT LEAST has to stop persecuting the religious. In Israel the Christians and the Muslims are indeed FREE to practice their religion. Is it the same with Syria, for example, or Libya (this time regarding Judaism and Christianity)? Moreover, in Saudi Arabia, for instance, you may have your head chopped off if simply caught with the Torah (in Christianity - the Old Testament) or the New Testament. I know it is certainly not that bad in Turkey, and don’t you even try to convince me that the religious are not oppressed there – I know for best sure otherwise.
I have a good Turkish friend who is Muslim, and I can tell you he is way far from being fond of your idol-worshiping Communist resembling (or even Nazi-like) government…
The reaction of the Turkish government to the Armenian genocide bill which has luckily been adopted now as a LAW (!) in France, is very much alike the reaction to the movie "Midnight Express" (if you know what I am talking about, otherwise I don’t think I can afford to spare time to set you aware of the subject). All I can say is I would have signed my name under the words the poor American flings to the faces of Turkish judges…
Your nation will sooner accept Christianity and start eating pork, than recognize their wrongdoing and bring apologies to ANYONE, if the latter is going to happen AT ALL.
However, to summarize what I and Artashes [his words are in quotation marks] pointed out in the postings addressed to you, your country should erect monuments to Hitler and Eichmann in Ankara and of course in your native city of Istanbul, "name all the streets after Nazi commanders", discover similarity between "Turkishness" and ‘Germanness’ according to Mein Kampf (by Adolf Hitler), and finally, "join the team to which it truly belongs now: North Korea, Libya, Iraq, Central African Republic and similar others..."
And if you EVER mean to teach me History, all I can answer is just the following quotation of an ancient English college wisdom: "A prod does not need to be prodded". Period.
signed on Thursday, the 15. of February 2001 at 11:57:29
Does anybody know where i can find picture that represent armenain triumph over the turks. as in how we survived the massacre? i only see pictures of dead Armenians and Armenians struggling. i am looking to create a mass amount of T-shirts in comemoration of April 24th. i was thinking that instead of having the usual pictures of people struggling i would have a picture of Armenians being triumphant. Please email me and let me know if you have any pictures or if you know where i can get some. i thank you in advance for the time and effort you took to contact me. my email address is: gatorg23@yahoo.com
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of February 2001 at 21:57:08
To Turkish newspapers: Sabah, Hurriyet, Milliyet Cumhuriyet, Radikal, Turkish Daily News, Fanatik, Turkiye and Zaman.
I only want to add this. If you have ethical and moral journalistic approach of telling the truth how it is, in your next article when you do talk about the Armenian Genocide please have the courage to mention that this "alleged" genocide has been recognized, reaffirmed and condemned by international organizations and entities such as the European Union, United Nations War Crimes Commission, Permanent Peoples' Tribunal, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, The Vatican, The League of Human Rights, The Association of Genocide Scholars just a fraction from a long list of countries and organizations, including recent additions by the parliaments/governments of France and Italy.
Those who deny the crime, also become accomplices to the crime.
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of February 2001 at 19:32:56
Selim,
why don't you check the website provided by Eduard Azadian on the condition of
Human Rights in Turkey, who signed the guestbook on Wednesday, the 07. of July 1999 at 13:36:13. You'd have to scroll well below... let me do you a favor. here's the link http://home.earthlink.net/~edwardk/mylinks/
read it
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of February 2001 at 16:40:27
Dear Selim (the most "respected" Armenian loving Turk):
You are asking me to do you a favor and comment your writing… Very well, my posting of Friday, the 02. February 2001 (at 16:25:09) did implicitly require your response. I’ve got none. Nor my first yesterday’s posting received any comments from you… You don’t simply bother, but persistently expect me to.
Thanks God I am not like you, and thus I will express some more good will by trying to "satisfy" your thirst.
Regarding your references to Nemesis’ "great words" (as you characterize them) that you have recited, if you mean to ask me whether I like them, the answer is certainly "No". And I don’t think I am the only one here to give such a response. If you happen to have scrolled down the guest-book at least a bit, you should have seen me express concern to Nemesis, which was followed by his immediate apology… The latter word is unknown to you, neither is it known to Turkish government who think every single thing that was done by them in the past was right, just like the Nazi Germany leadership would do!
I must state, however, that I can’t help emitting my pleasure over Nemesis’ chastising the Holocaust deniers like you. And I wish you to know that by saying Holocaust I don’t mean only the mass extermination of the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Checks, Serbs, Macedonians, Belorussians, Russians, Ukrainians, other people of the former Soviet Union by the Nazis in 1939-1945, but ALSO Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Jews by Ottoman Turks in 1915-1921, Cambodians by Khmer Rouge in 1950-1960s’, Rwandan Tutsis in 1990s, and ANY OTHER I can’t recall at the moment or happen to be unaware of (unlike you I certainly do not think that I am perfect). Holocaust denial is what I just personally can’t stand (will you dare ask me why???), and castigating is the LEAST thing that people like you RIGHTFULLY deserve!
Regarding your Turkish Jewish friends, I again assert that your country regime is based on Ataturk’s cult of personality, just like the Soviet regime was based on Lenin’s (and for once Stalin’s) cult. Why did you fail to notice such remark in one of my previous postings addressed to you? Or you simply didn’t read a sentence in them? Anyway, to continue my idea, I am perfectly aware that some Soviet Jews were for once happy with the Communist regime (the immigration to Israel drastically increased in 1990, shortly after Lenin’s cult had been renounced). Alas, brainwashing is a powerful thing only the strong can resist. Ataturk’s cult has done PRECISELY the same job as Lenin’s one did for once in Russia. But after all it ended. All idols fall, sooner or later. I do not mean to foretell the future of your country (not necessarily your Nation), but watch the Soviet example, for the ONLY difference between the Soviet Union of 1922 – 1989 and the Republic of Turkey 1921 – present is the "socialism" versus "capitalism". Ataturk in his time deceived Lenin having promised to build the socialist society in Turkey in "exchange" of
Erzurum, Ardadan, and Kars that used to belong to Russian Empire by the treaty of
San-Stephano of 1878, given up to Turkey by Vladimir Ulyanov who was naming himself Lenin.
Why would a friend of yours you say you have forwarded my postings to (by the way, may I know which ones?) want to communicate with me in Hebrew? I do not have a Hebrew characters set, which will certainly result in a problem. Is English (I suppose he knows it, otherwise what was the use of forwarding my postings, unless you translated them, which I doubt you had bothered to) not good enough to communicate in? Or do you (or does your friend) wish to examine my "proficiency"? Let your friend post his ideas on the site, if he wishes to. I have a great deal of purposes my E-mail account serves me for, rather than arguing with the brain-washed.
Regarding my thinking of relations between Turkey and Israel, take another couple of minutes and scroll down the guest-book to my posting of Monday, the 22. of January 2001 at11:52:11 (you can’t miss it scrolling slowly enough: there are notes in red script and there are some bold-marked phrases too). I suspect you never read it.
You call Nemesis and Artashes chauvinists. Regarding the latter one, from reading his postings I SERENELY see that ALL he wants from your Nation is just recognition of their wrongdoing and an APOLOGY. I don’t believe that there is any he can count on, for as I have already mentioned, you and those who rule your country don’t even have a single idea what the word ‘apology’ means. Perhaps, your government’s propaganda has filled all available room in your brain, so even a simple understanding of such necessary for PRISTINE communication between people term can not fit your head. How typical of a representative of a totalitarian society!
Is there anything more I can tell you?
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of February 2001 at 11:50:38
To Selim
Judging from your replies (that are identical to the official reaction to
the genocide issue by the Turkish authorities) it's hard not to be
impressed by the extent of the success of the Turkish
"brainwashing" machine. I guess Turkish intelligence has an abundant
supply of "zombies" like you spying on your fellow citizens that may have
different opinion (from the Ataturk's vision) around the world, such as on
Kurds, on practicing Turkish Muslims (they are considered to be a threat
there too, aren't they?).
Now to the points that you raised. First of all, I really don't speak
Turkish (I don't think Turkish language deserves such an honor). The fact that I know the origins of Turkish words,
as you claim, has an simple explanation -- I know Arabic, and since your
language has close to nothing authentic, the words that you use, happen to
have Arabic roots, just like your first name.
Second, you mentioned mafia -- no doubt, government of Armenia, a country
that is only in its 10th year of independence from the Soviets, is quite
corrupt (you may take pride in being ranked 50th as opposed to 76th if you
really think the difference is so substantial when you want to get into
the EU some countries of which have mafias too, though to a smaller
extent; btw. look where your brothers Azeris are in the same list). But at
least it is a government and not a quasi-military regime in which crooks
in military uniforms cover themselves with dastards in civilian. Hey,
Selim-"The-Healthy-Mind", come to your senses: you live in a country which
has a law that puts your own people into a jail for "insulting
Turkishness"!!! Have you ever heard about definitions of Britishness,
Frenchness -- are those in your school textbooks? Or maybe your
"world-famous" scholars made up such an absurd definition to answer the
question of the origin of human beings? What is that "Turkishness"? Number of
pictures of Ataturk in your cities and villages? Or your ability to deny,
ban, and massacre everything that does not agree with Mr. Kemal's plan of
the country? Or maybe it's your blind worship of everything related to the
latter's existence, including his socks and underwear? Are those also national symbols in your "great" country? Tell me, I haven't
heard about definitions of "nation-ness".
Third, concerning our "losing our homeland till eternity". If you have
ever had a chance to study history other than from Turkish textbooks, you
would have known smth. about the history of the Jewish people. Do you know
how long were they deprived of their lands? You call it eternity? Compared
to what? A life-span of an average turk?
Fourth, I noticed that you stopped signing your letters with "best regards to my Armanian friends". What's up? They already annoyed you, and your police stations issued notes to them to leave you country in 24 hours? Or maybe you have already
slaughtered them in their sleep "the good old yenicar way"? Now you're sending best regards to your Jewish friends? Who's next on your "friends" list? Kurds? Non-secular Turks? Secular Turks like Akin Birdal and late Nazim Hikmet? Anybody else that constitutes a potential threat to your uni-cultural and mono-lingual country?
Do your kids, if you have any, a favor -- send them somewhere else to study out of your uni-uni-uni Turkiye... don't let them be like you at the age of 34 writing all the pathetic crap you do on the websites that are dedicated to cultures you can't tolerate... Another generation of Turks like you, and Turkey will not only be excluded from the European structures for good, but will slowly join the team to which it truly belongs
now: North Korea, Libya, Iraq, Central African Republic and similar others... The real face of the
hypocrites that govern you and whom you so much worship is being opened to the world slowly...Threatening
Turk, paranoiac about your own past -- that's
who you, and majority of your country men are -- don't let your kids be the same...
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of February 2001 at 11:22:10
Dear Texan Jew,
Here are the “great words” written by Nebesis. Could you please do me a favour? As you are a Nazi specialist, you can easily transform these ideas into National Socialist philosophy. I’m waiting your comments!
“It is true that one armed Armenian equals to hundred circumcised trumpets like you. If you do not trust me ask the Germans. By the way have you ever met an armed Armenian? I am sure you did not. It is once in a lifetime experience.”
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 13:19:20
“The findings of British and American archeologists in Central Africa pertain to the origins of Homo sapience and not to mentally deficient, genetically incapacitated, and physiologically misfortune Turks (i.e. semi-humans).”
signed on Monday, the 18. of December 2000 at 17:51:52
“When NATO bombed Serbia, because Serbians were “oppressing” peaceful Muslim Albanian narco-trafficants is not an aggression.”
signed on Friday, the 01. of December 2000 at 14:59:51
“Is it legal to burn in public the American flag?
I have great desire to do so!!!”
signed on Thursday, the 19. of October 2000 at 23:49:05
“I assume that there were deaths among turkish civilians too, but mere comparison between the million and a half Armenians killed brutally by the turks in 1915-1917, to those who have been victims of retaliatory actions is PURE CYNICISM.”
signed on Friday, the 02. of February 2001 at 16:48:21
“As I have said before, you people (Turks) should complete your evolutionary development but that will not happen in a matter of decades.”
signed on Friday, the 02. of February 2001 at 16:48:21
“I will not indulge myself into psychiatric aspects of being a turk (i.e. semi-human).”
signed on Thursday, the 01. of February 2001 at 14:01:29
I just forwarded all the ideas you have cited to my Jewish friends in Istanbul. Izak returned with a good idea. If you wish he is ready to give his e-mail address and answer your questions (of course in Hebrew) about their life in Turkey and how their ancestors reached to our country more then 500 years ago after being exiled from Spain.
We are living with our Jewish friends in peace. They are the colour of our society. They are productive, intellectual and happy. Could you please give me the reason why their thoughts on Turkey and Turks are completely different then Nemesis, Artashes and all chauvinist brains (except real Armenians who love their nation and not running behind impossible desires) posting messages in this guess book?
I’m following success story of Israel. They are showing tremendous effort on the development of their country and nation which may seems impossible. I believe that Israel is a perfect model for Turkey.
Meantime Turkey and Israel share the same destiny in the region. Neighbours who are asking a part of our homelands are surrounding both countries. This may the glue, which keeps these to nations together. I’m hopeful that the friendship between our nations will be helpful to pull down the wall between the religions.
Karin,
We are saying the same thing but from opposite perspectives. You love your country like me! This is a power game. When you look at the history of mankind, you will see thousands of samples of power shifts. This is our turn but be sure that you and I (and most probably our grand-grand children) will not see the shift of power from us to you. By the way, as an answer to your question, I’m 34 years old.
For Nemesis,
I’m sorry for your grand-grand father. As I mentioned in my previous messages, brother of my grand father has being murdered by Dashnak gangs in Erzurum. I have no information that happened in front of his family, because I don’t know they started to kill from him or his wife or daughter!
I have noting to say about you. I can just recommend to you to join ASALA terrorist group, because your profile fits very well with their thoughts.
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of February 2001 at 02:32:26
Dear Nemesis,
I appreciate your apology, and I was sorry to learn about your grand grand father. My grandmother survived Nazi occupation.
As for my view of the "friendship" (alas, it has to be called so) between Israel and Turkey, please refer to my post signed on Monday, the 22. of January 2001 at 11:52:11 (if you can find it, there are some red and bold scripts).
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 17:30:29
Dear Texan Jew,
Please accept my sincere apologies if you have been affected of my words. The reason why I capitalized my grand-grand father ethnicity and religion is not because I think that he was superior, but because one can be a victim no matter of his ancestry as long as he is a minority in a intolerant society. What aggravates the Armenian case is that they have been killed in a land that they have lived for thousands of years. It does not matter weather you are Semite, Turk, Indo-European, or Eskimo.
Bernard Lewis is the only Israeli historian- revisionist who has different point of view concerning Armenian Genocide and I m sure that references to him by our Turkish “friend” are not accidental.
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 17:12:54
Dear Nemesis:
Although I can't help reflecting that I definitely agree with most of what you say, I would rather point out that the Jews fought in every Allied army in the WWII. Please do not depict them as the ones who would always seek protection from somebody else. In fact, they did, but not all the time. After all, the creation of the State of Israel did take place in 1948, and thanks God it is still there! And it is my SINCERE hope that the Republic of Armenia WILL gain back
Kars, Ardahan, Erzurum, and Trabson (also called Trapesundus), thus returning the access to the Black Sea it was deprived of in 1921 by the treaty concluded between two historical reprobates - Lenin and Ataturk. It should happen one day, but only God knows how.
Now I am happy that Turkey bites a carpet by inability to destroy Armenia by force, for finish the "Holy Kemal's doing", for Russia, in such case, will certainly at least declare war on Turkey, and may very well employ nuclear weapons it has. It is good that Armenia has an ally with a weapon that Turkey fortunately does not possess and can not even dream of acquiring of.
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 14:19:53
To the turk Selim:
I was expecting more from you. Is that all you can produce. Oh, I see, your ministry of propaganda is short of cash because of the recent robbery in your finance sector, so that you are expecting new cash flows from IMF.
Nevertheless, it would be very healthy for you to acquire some basic knowledge about the so-called “Facts” that the document presented by you contains.
Fact is an event that has occurred or circumstances that exist, events whose actual occurrence or existence is to be determined by the evidence. In few words fact is something that is objectified in the reality, whose existence has been manifested. Fact for example is the assertion that you are MORON. It was manifested through your postings in the Guestbook. Historical fact is that turks are anti-humans that
destroyed significant part of the Human Civilization and so on and so on. What you presented here are conclusion that or not based on primary facts.
Any way I have decided to spend sometime to answer your conclusions. I will be brief since I have more important things to do.
1. The Genocide against Armenians was not confined to the borders of Anatolia. Armenians were killed everywhere. My grand – grand father family comes from Bandurma. He was killed at night by turkish gendarmes in front of his family. He was not revolutionist, he was a prominent lawyer and his guilt was that he is ARYAN ARMENIAN CHRISTIAN and not filthy nomado-semitic anti-human turk. Capish.
2. 2.500 000 Muslim loses is science fiction. Probably this is the number of intercourses that Justin McCarthy, Bernard Lews and company have had with the turkish government. This is such a gross lie, that even Mr. Clinton and Mr. Ejevit would
collectively get red.
3. If American diplomatic sources are dubious and distrustful why you care so much about them.
4. Ridiculous. Christians were banned from possessing weapons. It is true that one armed Armenian equals to hundred circumcised trumpets like you. If you do not trust me ask the Germans. By the way have you ever met an armed Armenian? I am sure you did not. It is once in a lifetime experience.
Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, (some of them) were fighting not against their own government, but against a despotic and cruel regime. The Genocide against Armenians has nothing to do with the Holocaust of the Jews. Mr Lews is afraid that if Internationally recognized, Armenian Genocide will overshadow the Jewish Holocaust as if there is competition who suffered most. The difference between Mr. Lews and me is that I am not proud for what happened to the Armenians, while he feels proud and comfortable with the deaths of 6million Jews during WWII.
5. The Sevres treaty also says that you should give us back the Lands.
6. Do you want me to do the math for you? 1 500 000 –520=?
7. Armenians were fighting against foreign and oppressive regime and not against their “own” government. Are you going to call terrorists the freedom fighters in former Ottoman subject countries in Eastern Europe. They also helped Russians to get rid of the turks.
8. A/Armenians were fighting for their own soil, unlike Jews who have been sheltered in a foreign country.
B/Armenians did not kill citizens of any nations except the turks who were occupying their own land.
C/Armenians were fighting for the liberation of their nation just like Greeks, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Romanians and Serbians did before them, thus widely employing foreign help.
D/The shift in international politics, namely the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia scared to death the Western powers (which is quite understandable) and they started looking at Turkey from the perspective of a barrier toward communist invasion. Fortunately this is past.
E/They were ordinary Armenian Patriots to whom the alliances were unimportant as far as the Unification of Armenia was their goal.
D/I really do not care whether Hitler said that or not. To blame Armenians as Holocaust deniers is stupid and doesn’t worth explanation.
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 13:19:20
Dear "Armenian loving Turk" Selim:
I have read all the rubbish and (excuse me!) perverted facts you have cited. Must have been composed by Turkish Historians, the "most truth giving" ones, as you believe.
You must have ignored (or even have not read) my previous message. Your choice… Just know that my comparison of you to Adolf Eichmann was quite meaningful! I see absolutely no difference whatsoever between his self-alleged "love" to Jewish people and your permanent "Best wishes to my Armenian friends" almost every single posting of yours ends with.
All I can add is the time will come and your country will pay IN FULL for what it did to the Armenians, just like Germany STILL does to ALL the survivors of Nazi atrocities, not only Jews… Germany, I must note, is a GENUINE Democracy, unlike your totalitarian country which seems to have assumed the role of the Soviet Union, and Ataturk is EXACTLY like Lenin in that country before 1990).
The only thing that surprises me is that you do not say that you "regret that Hitler did not win the war, so all these filthy Jews defending the Armenians would have been exterminated." If you indeed think so, than have a courage to admit it my face!!! Perhaps you just have no guts for that…
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 09:26:31
Isn't it interesting. You bring up articles when they state that so many Turks have been killed by Armenians, and you don't ask yourself a question, that perhaps it isn't because these people were rebellious, and blood-thirsty, but just defending their lands, their families, and the honor of their women and children? You accept this kind of thinking to justify yourself -- that you'd defend your country until the last drop... Weird isn't it? Well, perhaps it is because your really think that all the land (including Cyprus) is all yours, belongs to your ancestors. Why? Because you've been taught to think that way. Even your article did not answer the article cited before by Artashes. You and your countrymen are so selective in citing sources. You're blindfolded and choose to stay that way, because you're afraid that reality bites. But the thing is that the long you avoid it the harder it is going to bite. 'Cause it is going to bite after all.
Armenians do not hate Muslims, as your article said. Isn't it true, that your country forbids practicing
Islam as a religion? So who hates them, or against them? Do you know that Armenia has very good relations with a highly
Islamic country - Iran? Nor does Iran has problems with the Armenians living in Iran? I wonder how old are you to be that brainwashed...
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 09:03:44
Karin,
“Bos adam Pasha olmaz” means, a man without any qualification can not be a Pasha (general) in Turkish. Sorry but I couldn’t get your argument or point. Anyway, If anyone or nation try to take a part of our Country, be sure that we will fight till the last drop of our blood. This is what I’m trying to say and you insist on not to accept and try to exaggerate this fact. Meanwhile, when I look at all the written by you and your chauvinist friends about Turks, I don’t want to think about what you can do to Turks if given the chance to you!
As I said before, use your all effort for the welfare of your poor country. They need your help. Sitting in your home in the States and judge the thinks happening and happened in the geography (Turkey, Armenia and all the region) we live in. Instead of vomiting all the hate you live in, use all your intellectual and financial power for the progress of Armenia. Be sure that you can never feed hungry people with hate!
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 08:45:10
Care to give a reference as to where did you get the excerpt you cite here? Or perhaps this is your masterpiece?
And, by the way, here's a proverb for you
"Boshadam pasha ormaz" -- this is about Turks. Even if they tried to beautify and noblize their nation by kidnapping beautiful women from around Europe and Caucasus to make their future generations taller than 1m 50cm, and get rid of the cheep tribal heritage, hoping that the improved exterior will come with an improved interior - but even 700 years did not do the trick for them. At the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century they still showed that they are as blood-thirsty and cruel as their tribal
ancestors used to be. Why do you think that you have improved over just 100 years? Blood doesn't turn into water, and you cannot run from your own genes. Even though Selim you claim to be civilized, your last letter proved that I was right -- given the chance you will kill and murder Armenians, Greeks, or anyone for that matter. The Turkish identity has not changed: you changed the mask : from Ottomans into Young Turks. But as you noted in your own letter: you were still playing the same 'game'.
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 07:36:10
Artashes,
We all know that Turkey is not a good example for Democracy. But you have to first criticize your own country, Armenia. BBC is giving a good description of your government; MAFIA. According to year 2000 report of independent Transparency International Organisation, Armenia is number 76 in corruption league where Turkey is 50! You are killing your Prime Minister and members of parliament in the National Assembly at the end of 20th Century. Be sure that Republic of Armenia is not a masterpiece being founded by “moron, semi-human and uneducated” Turks as you called. You are the owner of this monster.
So, Karin and Texas Jew, who has the bigger chance to survive? You or us????
You rushed like hungry vultures to the dead body of Ottoman to take a piece of meat during WWI. You were thinking that Turks are loosing the game. You were wrong bunnies! We are stronger than you thought. You lost your chance and your homeland till eternity. Sorry but there is no turn back. Your ticket was for only one way.
Artashes, you deny that you do not know Turkish. But it is very interesting; you know the origins of all Turkish words! Anyway, here is a new Turkish proverb for you. You are intellectual enough to translate it:
“Tencere dibin kara, seninki benden kara.”
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 03:00:19
THE ARMENIAN ALLEGATION OF GENOCIDE
From the ruling government site of a very unbiased
democratic country that has a civilian government that respects human
rights source - http://www.turkey.org/politics/facts.htm
THE ISSUE AND THE FACTS
THE ISSUE: Whether within the events leading to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire genocide was perpetrated against Armenian Ottoman citizens in Eastern Anatolia.
The Ottoman Empire ruled over all of Anatolia and significant parts of Europe, North Africa, the Caucasus and Middle East for over 700 hundred years. Lands once Ottoman dominions today comprise more than 30 independent nations.
A century of ever-increasing conflict, beginning roughly in 1820 and culminating with the founding of the Republic of Turkey in 1923, characterized the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire participated in no fewer than a dozen named wars, nearly all to the detriment of the empire and its citizens. The empire contracted against an onslaught of external invaders and internal nationalist independence movements. In this context -- an imperiled empire waging and losing battles on remote and disparate fronts, grasping to continue a reign of over 700 years -- must the tragic experience of the Ottoman Armenians of Eastern Anatolia be understood. For during these waning days of the Ottoman Empire did millions die, Muslim, Jew, and Christian alike.
Yet Armenian Americans have attempted to extricate and isolate their history from the complex circumstances in which their ancestors were embroiled. In so doing, they describe a world populated only by white-hatted heroes and black-hatted villains. The heroes are always Christian and the villains are always Muslim. Infusing history with myth, Armenian Americans vilify the Republic of Turkey, Turkish Americans, and ethnic Turks worldwide. Armenian Americans bent on this prosecution choose their evidence carefully, omitting all evidence that tends to exonerate those whom they presume guilty, ignoring important events and verifiable accounts, and sometimes relying on dubious or prejudiced sources and even falsified documents. Though this portrayal is necessarily one-sided and steeped in bias, the Armenian American community presents it as a complete history and unassailable fact.
RELEVANCE: The truth demands that every side of a story be told. Fundamental freedoms enshrined in the U.S. Constitution protect those who choose to challenge the Armenian American view.
To oppose Armenian American orthodoxy on this issue has become risky. Any attempt to challenge the credibility of witnesses, or the authenticity of documents, or to present evidence that some of the claimed victims were responsible for their own fate is either wholly squelched or met with accusations of genocide denial. Moreover, any attempt to demonstrate the suffering and needless death of millions of innocent non-Christians enmeshed in the same events as the Anatolian Armenians is greeted with sneers, as if to say that some lives are inherently more valuable than others and that one faith is more deserving than another. The lack of real debate, enforced with a heavy hand by Armenian Americans, ensures that any consideration of what genuinely occurred nearly a century ago in Eastern Anatolia will utterly fail as a search for the truth.
Ultimately, whether to blindly accept the Armenian American portrayal is an issue of fundamental fairness and the most cherished of American rights -- free speech. Simply put, in America every person has the opportunity to tell his or her story. Armenian Americans possess the right to promote and celebrate their heritage and even to discuss ancient grievances. However, Armenian Americans seek to deny these very rights to others. This is proven by the punitive nature and sheer volume of legislation proposed in the state and federal legislatures, the one-sided curricula proposed to state boards of education, and by the vast sums of money and energy devoted to this cause. Together, these efforts only increase acrimony and antagonism.
The complete story of the vast suffering of this period has not yet been written. When that story is told, the following facts must not be forgotten.
FACT 1: Demographic studies prove that prior to World War I, fewer than 1.5 million Armenians lived in the entire Ottoman Empire. Thus, allegations that more than 1.5 million Armenians from eastern Anatolia died must be false.
Figures reporting the total pre-World War I Armenian population vary widely, with Armenian sources claiming far more than others. British, French and Ottoman sources give figures of 1.05-1.50 million. Only certain Armenian sources claim a pre-war population larger than 1.5 million. Comparing these to post-war figures yields a rough estimate of losses. Historian and demographer, Dr. Justin McCarthy of the University of Louisville, calculates the actual losses as slightly less than 600,000. This figure agrees with those provided by British historian Arnold Toynbee, by most early editions of the Encyclopedia Britannica, and approximates the number given by Monseigneur Touchet, a French missionary, who informed the Oeuvre d'Orient in February 1916 that the number of dead is thought to be 500,000. Boghos Nubar, head of the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in 1920, noted the large numbers who survived the war. He declared that after the war 280,000 Armenians remained in the Anatolian portion of the occupied Ottoman Empire while 700,000 Armenians had emigrated to other countries.
Clearly then, a great portion of the Ottoman Armenians were not killed as claimed and the 1.5 million figure should be viewed as grossly erroneous. Each needless death is a tragedy. Equally tragic are lies meant to inflame hatred.
FACT 2: Armenian losses were few in comparison to the over 2.5 million Muslim dead from the same period.
Reliable statistics demonstrate that slightly less than 600,000 Anatolian Armenians died during the war period of 1912-22. Armenians indeed suffered a terrible mortality. But one must likewise consider the number of dead Muslims and Jews. The statistics tell us that more than 2.5 million Anatolian Muslims also perished. Thus, the years 1912-1922 constitute a horrible period for humanity, not just for Armenians.
The numbers do not tell us the exact manner of death of the citizens of Anatolia, regardless of ethnicity, who were caught up in both an international war and an intercommunal struggle. Documents of the time list intercommunal violence, forced migration of all ethnic groups, disease, and, starvation as causes of death. Others died as a result of the same war-induced causes that ravaged all peoples during the period.
FACT 3: Certain oft-cited Armenian American evidence is of diminished value, having been derived from dubious and prejudicial sources.
Armenian Americans purport that the wartime propaganda of the enemies of the Ottoman Empire constitutes objective evidence. Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, who is frequently quoted by Armenian Americans, visited the Ottoman Empire with political, not humanitarian aims. His correspondence with President Wilson reveals his intent was to uncover or manufacture news that would goad the U.S. into joining the war. Given that motive, Morgenthau sought to malign the Ottoman Empire, an enemy of the Triple Entente. Morgenthau’s research and reporting relied in large part on politically motivated
Armenians; his primary aid, translator and confidant was Arshag Schmavonian, his secretary was Hagop Andonian. Morgenthau openly professed that the Turks were an inferior race and possessed "inferior blood." Thus, his accounts can hardly be considered objective.
One ought to compare the wartime writings of Morgenthau and the oft-cited Gen. J.G. Harbord to the post-war writings of Rear Admiral Mark L. Bristol, U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Turkey 1920 - 1926. In a March 28, 1921 letter he writes,
"[R]eports are being freely circulated in the United States that the Turks massacred thousands of Armenians in the Caucasus. Such reports are repeated so many times it makes my blood boil. The Near East Relief have the reports from Yarrow and our own American people which show absolutely that such Armenian reports are absolutely false. The circulation of such false reports in the United States, without refutation, is an outrage and is certainly doing the Armenians more harm than good. … Why not tell the truth about the Armenians in every way?"
FACT 4: The Armenian deaths do not constitute genocide.
The totality of evidence thus far uncovered by historians tells a grim story of serious inter-communal conflict, perpetrated by both Christian and Muslim irregular forces, complicated by disease, famine, and many other of war’s privations. The evidence does not, however, describe genocide.
A. The Armenians took arms against their own government. Their violent political aims, not their race, ethnicity or religion, rendered them subject to relocation.
Armenian Americans ignore the dire circumstances that precipitated the enactment of a measure as drastic as mass relocation. Armenians cooperated with Russian invaders of Eastern Anatolia in wars in 1828, 1854, and 1877. Between 1893 and 1915 Ottoman Armenians in eastern Anatolia rebelled against their government -- the Ottoman government -- and joined Armenian revolutionary groups, such as the notorious Dashnaks and Hunchaks. They armed themselves and spearheaded a massive Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia. On November 5, 1914, the President of the Armenian National Bureau in Tblisi declared to Czar Nicholas II, "From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks for the glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms. … Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus." Armenian treason is also plainly documented in the November 1914 issue of the Hunchak Armenian [Revolutionary] Gazette, published in Paris. In a call to arms it exhorted,
"The entire Armenian Nation will join forces -- moral and material, and waving the sword of Revolution, will enter this World conflict ... as comrades in arms of the Triple Entente, and particularly Russia. They will cooperate with the Allies, making full use of all political and revolutionary means for the final victory...."
Boghos Nubar addressed a letter to the Times of London on January 30, 1919 confirming that the Armenians were indeed belligerents in World War I. He stated with pride,
"In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Russian armies, about 50,000 Armenian volunteers under Andranik, Nazarbekoff, and others not only fought for four years for the cause of the Entente, but after the breakdown of Russia they were the only forces in the Caucasus to resist the advance of the Turks...."
One of those who answered the Armenian call to arms was Gourgen Yanikian who, as a teenager, joined the Russians to fight the Ottoman government, and who as an elderly man, on January 27, 1973, assassinated two Turkish diplomats in Santa Barbara, California.
B. Logic and evidence controvert the allegation of genocide.
1. No logic can reconcile the two positions that Armenian Americans promote. Eminent historian Bernard Lewis, speaking to the Israeli daily Ha’aretz on January 23, 1998, expanded on this notion,
"The Armenians want to benefit from both worlds. On the one hand, they speak with pride of their struggle against Ottoman despotism, while on the other hand, they compare their tragedy to the Jewish Holocaust. I do not accept this. I do not say that the Armenians did not suffer terribly. But I find enough cause for me to contain their attempts to use the Armenian massacres to diminish the worth of the Jewish Holocaust and to relate to it instead as an ethnic dispute." (translation)
2. None of the Ottoman orders commanding the relocation of Armenians, which have been reviewed by historians to date, orders killings. To the contrary, they order Ottoman officials to protect relocated Armenians.
3. Where Ottoman control was weakest Armenian relocatees suffered most. The stories of the time give many examples of columns of hundreds of Armenians guarded by as few as two Ottoman gendarmes. When local Muslims attacked the columns, Armenians were robbed and killed. It must be remembered that these Muslims had themselves suffered greatly at the hands of Armenians and Russians. In the words of U.S. Ambassador Mark Bristol, "While the Dashnaks [Armenian revolutionaries] were in power they did everything in the world to keep the pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; [and] by committing outrages against the Moslems …."
Where Ottoman control was strong, Armenians went unharmed. In Istanbul and other major western Anatolian cities, large populations of Armenians remained throughout the war. In these areas Ottoman power was greatest and genocide would have been easiest to carry out. By contrast, during World War II, the Jews of Berlin were killed, their synagogues defiled. The Armenians of Istanbul lived through World War I, their churches open.
C. The Armenian Allegation of Genocide Fails the Minimum Standards of Proof Required by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.
The term "genocide" did not exist prior to 1944. The term was subsequently defined quite specifically by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention of the Crime of Genocide. This high crime is now recognized by most nations, including the Republic of Turkey.
The standard of proof in establishing the crime of genocide is formidable given the severity of the crime, the opportunity for overlap with other crimes, and the stigma of being charged with or found guilty of the crime. While presenting the Convention for ratification, the Secretary General of the U.N. emphasized that genocide is a crime of "specific intent," requiring conclusive proof that members of a group were targeted simply because they were members of that group. The Secretary General further cautioned that those merely sharing political aims are not protected by the convention.
Under this standard of proof, the Armenian American claim of genocide fails. First, no direct evidence has been discovered demonstrating that any Ottoman official sought the destruction of the Ottoman Armenians as such. Second, Ottoman Armenian Dashnak and Hunchak guerrillas and their civilian accomplices admittedly organized political revolutionary groups and waged war against their own government. Under these circumstances, it was the Ottoman Armenians’ violent political alliance with the Russian forces, not their ethnic or religious identity, which rendered them subject to the relocation.
A recent comment on the U.N. position was rendered by, U.N. spokesman Farhan Haq on October 5, 2000 when he confirmed that the U.N. has not approved or endorsed a report labeling the Armenian experience as genocide.
FACT 5: The British convened the Malta Tribunals to try Ottoman officials for crimes against Armenians. All of the accused were acquitted.
The Peace Treaty of Sevres, which was imposed upon the defeated Ottoman Empire, required the Ottoman government to hand over to the Allied Powers people accused of "massacres." Subsequently, 144 high Ottoman officials were arrested and deported for trial by the British to the island of Malta. The principal informants to the British High Commission in Istanbul leading to the arrests were local Armenians and the Armenian Patriarchate. While the deportees were interned on Malta, the British appointed an Armenian scholar, Mr. Haig Khazarian, to conduct a thorough examination of documentary evidence in the Ottoman, British, and U.S. Archives to substantiate the charges. Access to Ottoman records was unfettered as the British and French occupied and controlled Istanbul at the time. Khazarian’s corps of investigators revealed an utter lack of evidence demonstrating that Ottoman officials either sanctioned or encouraged killings of Armenians.
At the conclusion of the investigation, the British Procurator General determined that it was "improbable that the charges would be capable of proof in a court of law," exonerated and released all 144 detainees -- after two years and four months of detention without trial. No compensation was ever paid to the detainees.
FACT 6: Despite the verdicts of the Malta Tribunals, Armenian terrorists have engaged in a vigilante war that continues today.
In 1921, a secret Armenian network based in Boston, named Nemesis, took the law into its own hands and hunted down and assassinated former Ottoman Ministers Talaat Pasha and Jemal Pasha as well as other Ottoman officials. Following in Nemesis’ footsteps, during the 1970’s and 1980’s, the Armenian terrorist groups, Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) and Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide (JCAG), committed over 230 armed attacks, killing 71 innocent people, including 31 Turkish diplomats, and seriously wounding over 520 people in a campaign of blood revenge.
Most recently, Mourad Topalian, former Chairman of the Armenian National Committee of America, was tried and convicted in federal court in Ohio of terrorist crimes associated with bombings in New York and Los Angles and with the attempted assassination of the Turkish Honorary Consul General in Philadelphia. The Armenian youths whom Topalian directed and who conducted these attacks were recruited from the Armenian Youth Federation and Armenian Revolution Federation in Boston.
FACT 7: The archives of many nations ought to be carefully and thoughtfully examined before concluding whether genocide occurred.
Armenian Americans make frequent reference to the archives of many nations while carefully avoiding calls for the examination of those archives. They know that no evidence of genocide has been found to date, as was the case in the Malta Tribunals. They also know that the national archives of several nations, including the U.S., speak primarily of the deaths of Armenians because the recorders were only interested in the Armenians, while intentionally omitting reports of Muslim deaths. Take, for example, the 1915 Armenian revolt in Van where at least 60,000 Muslims perished. Though the evidence for this is overwhelming, the official archives of several countries mention only Christian deaths.
Still, Armenian Americans carefully avoid calls for the collection and examination of all records regarding the events in question. Such would include Ottoman records describing the activities of Armenian rebels and the Russian invaders whom they supported, as well as the archives of Germany, Russia, France, Britain, Iran, Syria and the United States. Most importantly, the unedited records of the Armenian Republic in Yerevan, Armenian Revolutionary Federation in Boston, and ASALA in Yerevan, ought to be examined but remain closed. Only those who fear the truth would limit the scope of an investigation.
FACT 8: The Holocaust bears no meaningful relation to the Ottoman Armenian experience.
1. Jews did not demand the dismemberment of the nations in which they had lived. By contrast, the Ottoman Armenians openly agitated for a separate state in lands in which they were numerically inferior. The Hunchak and Dashnak revolutionary organizations, which survive to this day, were formed expressly to agitate against the Ottoman government.
2. Jews did not kill their fellow citizens in the nations in which they had lived. By contrast, the Ottoman Armenians committed massacres against local Muslims.
3. Jews did not openly join the ranks of their countries’ enemies during World War II. By contrast, during World War I, Ottoman Armenians openly and with pride committed mass treason, took up arms, traveled to Russia for training, and sported Russian uniforms. Others, non-uniformed irregulars, operated against the Ottoman government from behind the lines.
4. Solemn tribunal at Nuremberg proved the guilt of the perpetrators of the Holocaust and sentences were carried out in accordance with agreed-upon procedures. By contrast, the Malta Tribunals, which were convened by the World War I victors, exonerated those alleged to have been responsible for the maladministration of the relocation policies.
5. Open Armenian-Nazi collaboration is evident in the activities of the 812th Armenian Battalion of the [Nazi] Wehrmacht, commanded by Drastamat Kanayan (a.k.a. "Dro"), and its successor, the Armenian Legion. Anti-Jewish, pro-Nazi propaganda was published widely in the Armenian-language Hairenik daily and the weekly journal, Armenian.
6. Hitler did not refer to the Armenians in plotting the Final Solution; the infamous quote is fraudulent. All sources attribute the alleged quote, "Who remembers the Armenians?" to a November 24, 1945 Times of London article, "Nazi Germany’s Road to War." The article’s unnamed author says Hitler uttered the phrase in an address on August 22, 1939 at Obersalzburg. The Times of London author claims the speech was introduced as evidence during the November 23, 1945 session of the Nuremberg Tribunal. Yet the Nuremberg transcripts do not contain the alleged quote.
In fact, the quote first appeared in a 1942 book by Louis Lochner, the AP’s Berlin bureau chief during World War II. Lochner, like the Times of London author, never disclosed his source. The Nuremberg Tribunal examined and then rejected Lochner’s third-hand version of Hitler’s address and rejected it. Instead, it entered into evidence two official versions of the August 22, 1939 address found in captured German military records. Neither document contains any reference to Armenians, nor in fact do they refer to the Jews. Hitler’s address was an anti-Polish invective, delivered years before he conceived the Final Solution.
7. The depth, breadth, and volume of scholarship on the Holocaust are tremendous. The physical and documentary evidence is vast and proves indisputably the aims, methods, and results of the racist Nazi policies. By contrast, scholarship on the late Ottoman Empire is comparatively scarce. Much research has yet to be completed and many conclusions have yet to be drawn. Non-biased research from that period has thus far revealed tragedies afflicting all sides in a conflict with numerous belligerents. Nothing has yet been uncovered which establishes genocide. In light of the ongoing research and the other distinctions raised above, it would be improper, if not malicious, to equate a desire to challenge Armenian American assertions with Holocaust denial.
BIBLIOGRAPHY:
Armenian Atrocities and Terrorism ed. by the Assembly of Turkish American
Associations (Assembly of Turkish American Associations, Washington, DC 1997);
Death and Exile: the Ethnic Cleansing of Ottoman Muslims, 1821-1922 by Justin
McCarthy (Darwin Press, Princeton, NJ 1995);
Muslims and Minorities, The Population of the Ottoman Anatolia and the End of
the Empire by Justin McCarthy (New York University Press, New York, 1983).
Pursuing the Just Cause of Their People by Michael Gunter (Greenwood Press,
New York 1986);
The Armenian File: The Myth of Innocence Exposed by Kamuran Gürün (K. Rustem
& Bro. and Weidenfeld & Nicolson Ltd., London 1985);
The Armenian Question 1914-1923 by Mim Kemal Öke (K. Rustem & Bro. London
1988);
The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story by Heath W. Lowry (Isis Press,
Istanbul 1990);
The Talât Pasha Telegrams: Historical Fact or Armenian Fiction by Sinasi
Orel and Süreyya Yuca (K. Rustem & Bro., London 1986);
The U.S. Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians, by Heath W. Lowry (Vol.
3, no. 2, Political Communication and Persuasion, 1985); and
Proceedings of Symposium on Armenians in the Ottoman Empire and Turkey
(1912-1926), (Bogazici University Publications, Istanbul, 1984).
signed on Tuesday, the 13. of February 2001 at 01:58:49
To all those Turks who are confused about WHO THEY ARE (Kebulay, Selim, etc.) and (presumably)want to learn about the sources of their delusions!
(excerpts from the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty; 02/11/01)
…The main reason behind the Turkey's
uproar lies in a state-controlled educational system that
ignores the multi-cultural history of the Anatolian
peninsula.
"This official [Turkish version of history] is constructed in
such a way that it seems there is a continuum in the
history of the Turks. In the history of the Turks, not in
the history of the land, not in the history of Anatolia.
The history of Anatolia, a land that has known several
empires, several cultures -- including Armenian and Greek
cultures -- is totally ignored. As a result, a Turkish
child, a Turkish citizen, who receives a normal education
does not know that civilizations other than his own have
existed on the land where he lives."
Doru Ergil teaches political science at Ankara
University. He agrees that Ankara's reaction, which he
likens to hysteria, is rooted in Turks' ignorance of
their own past:
"I personally learned about an 'Armenian affair' in the
last decade of the Ottoman era when I was a graduate
student in the United States. [I learned about it] from
Armenian students who were pursuing their graduate
studies there. What I want to say is that the Turks do
not know about their recent history and they react
emotionally when [somebody tells them:] 'You've done
something wrong.'"
The first mention of the 1915 events appeared in Turkish
textbooks only in the mid-1980s as part of efforts to
refute accusations of genocide then put forward by the
Armenian diaspora.
"Ninety percent of the Turks are absolutely convinced
there was no genocide and that, on the contrary, it was
the Armenians who killed Turks. It is a very sincere
belief. The [Turkish] educational system has been most
successful. This kind of TOTALITARIANISM in the
educational system has perfectly succeeded in
transforming the Turkish mentality."
(Although) many Turkish intellectuals believe
eastern Anatolia's Armenians fell victim to a genocidal
policy, few dare contradict the official
version of events for fear of reprisal from authorities.
Turkish prosecutors yesterday filed charges against the
former president of the Ankara-based Human Rights
Association for reportedly saying Turkey should apologize
for its treatment of Armenians and other minorities in
the early 20th century. If found guilty of "insulting and
vilifying Turkishness," the man, Akin Birdal, faces up to
six years in prison.
the … reason behind the denial (of Armenian Genocide)is
deeply rooted in Turks' vision of the world.
"To recognize the genocide would be to recognize that a
very large number of Armenians used to live in Anatolia.
Therefore, it would mean there is a multi-cultural
Anatolia. But, as we can see today with the issue of the
Kurds, the Turkish state is envisaged as a uni-cultural
state, a state with a single culture, a single language.
So [to recognize the Armenian genocide] would mean Turkey
should offer concessions not only to Kurds but also to
other nationalities that still live in Turkey."
"The Turks experience [the genocide issue] as a problem
between themselves and Europe, even between themselves
and the world. And it definitely is a problem. They are
aware that their conception of history, their world view,
is an obstacle and that if they really want to be part of
Europe and larger international groups they will have to
review their conception of history, their world view and
so forth. But their world view -- that is, the kind of
teaching they dispense [in schools] -- does not allow
them to overcome this obstacle."
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As you can see, your visionary Mr. Kemal, left a lot of uneaten bones in the "throat" of your people.
Alas, sooner or later, you will have to swallow them, they are too deep to take out ... and an attempt to do so may turn out to be very messy and self-destroying...
Think it over... and learn the truth about yourselves before throwing empty therats and accusations on others...
signed on Monday, the 12. of February 2001 at 17:45:11
To Kubilay:
Hitler "foretold" the existence of the Third Reich to be 1000 years. It had barely made 12. What makes you think that your words: "Turkey will still be there..." are less flimsy?
Your country was on the verge of crushing by Britain and Greece in 1919-1920 (if you know what war I am talking about)... Thus don't be so confident!
signed on Monday, the 12. of February 2001 at 16:31:18
You moron, Kubilay ! You are such a miserable creature if you believe that Turks will survive Armenians! We have existed as a nation over 2 thousand years (check with your historians if you don't believe me). And compare with the history of the Turkish tribes... Do the math!
And believe me, the order or the nature states that the smartest survives (check Britannica with for 'Darwinism', or 'Social Darwinism')... You think you're smart ... think again ...
Give me a name of at least one Turkish nobel prize winner? though, perhaps you don't know what that is (check Britannica for 'Nobel'). There won't be any Turkish name. Got it?! Now, do us a favor, get lost!
signed on Monday, the 12. of February 2001 at 15:24:56
First of all, a Turkish proverb for crazy Armenians: Bad word belongs to its user.
100 years later you will have forgotten your Armenian roots. Turkiye will still be there.
We are sorry for you.
We kiss you all...
signed on Monday, the 12. of February 2001 at 13:52:29
Thank you. This page is very good. I like Armenia.
My e-mail: margalef@larural.es
Hasta siempre Tierra Bendita!!!
signed on Saturday, the 10. of February 2001 at 12:30:06
This is a very good page and it is my pleasure to sign it...
signed on Saturday, the 10. of February 2001 at 07:00:18
CONGRATULATION TO ALL ARMENIANS IN DIASPORA.KEEP GOING ARMENIANS WILL NOT DISAPEAR FROM THIS WORLD WE WILL SURVIVE AND STRUGLE AND NEVER GIVE UP .
signed on Saturday, the 10. of February 2001 at 06:26:34
BRAVO! GREAT WORK.
signed on Tuesday, the 06. of February 2001 at 22:28:00
Voghjouyn Vortik Haygazounk,
I'm really enjoying this "panel discussion" about a "non-issue". There has NEVER been a "genuine" question about the historical validity of the Armenian Genocide-its a universally accepted historical fact that is overwhelmingly supported by international historians, politicians and Holocaust/Genocide scholars.
Why are we wasting time with ignorant individuals? There is much work to be done to break through the shallow and nearsighted American foreign policy and special interests.
Instead of wasting time with Turks, let's concentrate on our government representatives in Washington DC. THAT is where we can make the real difference with our pan-national agendas.
American politicians may or may not care about international democracy and or human rights. However, what they care about is potential, perceived and actual "votes".
It is only a matter of time, until American politicians abandon their "troubled adopted child" in Asia Minor. As evidenced by latest political analysis put forward by Western European and North American "Think Tanks" and recent events in Europe, Turkey has begun to upset international "inner circles" with its
medieval rhetoric. Turkey will sooner or later run out of its bargaining chips, ones that have sustained them thus far.
Participate in the nation wide grass-roots advocacy lobbying programs spearheaded by the Armenian National Committee and the Armenian Assembly.
If you have already done so, keep up the activism and disregard the above.
Sirov,
Harout
signed on Sunday, the 04. of February 2001 at 22:40:11
To Nemesis -- Bravo! "Complete certified idiot" is an awesome expression and it really suits the persona!
To Selim, the Turk with non-sick mind -- Nemesis is right! You ARE a complete certified idiot if you think that one would believe that you have friendly feelings towards Armenians. Why don't you go ahead and read your own comments? Or perhaps your 'friendly feelings' extend to some Armenians, only those who are not classified by you as 'sick-minds' ? So, given the power, what would you do to those that you think are sick-minds?
signed on Sunday, the 04. of February 2001 at 11:32:52
To the turk Selim:
The retaliatory operations that were carried out by Armenian Expeditionary Corpus in Western Armenia against turkish oppressors took place in 1918-1919. I assume that there were deaths among turkish civilians too, but mere comparison between the million and a half Armenians killed brutally by the turks in 1915-1917, to those who have been victims of retaliatory actions is PURE CYNICISM.
As to the lands. Either you are complete certified idiot, or you think that the readers of this Guestbook belong to that category. If you have any doubts to whom you should return the disputed lands, please give them back to the Greeks or Kurds, we will somehow get along with them.
About the Armenians and the Bazars. The intellectual elite of the Ottoman Empire was constituted of non-Muslims. 60 % of the economic resources were at the hands of the Christians. Turks proved themselves as one of the most incapable, lazy and inefficient people in the Eastern Hemisphere. If you add to that the traditional turkish laziness and oriental habits, plus the widespread illiteracy you can get the picture. As I have said before, you people should complete your evolutionary development but that will not happen in a matter of decades. As a representatives of a “secular” country you should be aware of what evolution is about. It will take centuries. Simply you are 2000 years late, if you know what I mean (I doubt that).
And finally, a friendly note from an enemy. Cold War is over and the time for the truth has come. Crimes do not have reason but they have motives, and the motives of the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide were crystal clear – expropriation of the lands and the possessions of the Armenians. Stop trying to present artificial arguments and superficial justifications in favor of your barbaric behavior. Instead, open your own archives and concentrate on ways and means how to “fix” the situation because very soon the whole world will know that turks are nation of genocidal maniacs.
P.S. “Turkish intellectual” is the shortest joke of the year!
signed on Friday, the 02. of February 2001 at 16:48:21
To Selim:
Listen, dear "Armenian-loving" Turk (as you STRIVE to depict yourself),
C'est a vous et de vous qui je parle:
They were people like you who were opening outlets in the chambers of Auschwitz and Treblinka.
With PRECISELY the same judgment...
I heard the Mossad agent who captured Adolf Eichmann speak. (To help you utter ignorance
in the
Science of History: the Chair of the Anti-Jew Committee in Hitler's administration; he was found
to be DIRECTLY responsible for deaths of 6 million of Jews, for all the executions had been endorsed
by him, and thus afterwards he ended up as the ONLY person to have been executed by the State of
Israel through the entire existence of the latter.) The agent said that when he seized the Nazi
criminal, the latter said: "You know, I love Jewish people." Now, you sound EXACTLY like him!
Go ahead, Selim, and erect a monument in Ankara to Hitler and Eichmann, who, according to your
"healthy", as it has been emphasized, mind, perished by the fault of "sick and 'merciless' Jews".
To "Chechen":
Hey, why limit yourself to what you call "Caucasia"? Say Eurasia!
signed on Friday, the 02. of February 2001 at 16:25:09
artashes - seattle, usa
To Selim,
I didn't expect from you much comprehension of my main argument, but will repeat it briefly anyway, in case you understand straightforward things from the second attempt (hopefully).
First, if a single human life means so much to you, a representative Turk, than it's bizarre that your "elected" government considers 300,000 people a sufficiently small number not to apologize to the victims.
Secondly, the expression "so-called" that I used so often, you might have noticed is in capital letters. Why?
Because it's the most frequent word used on the www.turkishpress.com --- it's a website that summarizes the "free" press of your country. So, I started using it too in my communication with people like you. Judging from the number of times your reporters use that in their articles on the issue of the Genocide, I think that expression is a generic one in Turkey about everything related to Armenians.
Third, I did not write that the word "bazar" has Turkish origin (for your information, I speak Arabic) -- unfortunately for you guys, very few things in Turkey have Turkish origins. What I meant is that the word "bazar" came to be known to the western world via Turkey, just as the name of the turkey-bird… Besides, the fact, as you mentioned, that most of the merchants in bazars of Ottoman period were Armenians says smth. about why the majority of your country men at the time, a bunch of ungifted hambals, was so jealous of the wealthier Armenians. I don't understand why you view a trade of a merchant so negatively… you consider the Turks who trade in your bazars nowadays inferior too?
Finally, I have never lived in your filthy regime, and have no plans to do so whatsoever. And neither do I speak Turkish. Therefore, I do not know what the proverb you mentioned means. I may refer to the translated writings of Nazim Hikmet though, they may give me a hint…should I? Oh, sorry, you probably won't recommend so -- since he is technically not even a Turkish citizen, and is considered to be an outlaw by your "truly democratic" government which the loyal brainwashed subjects like you vote for …
I just happened to invest some time trying to understand why the human rights evolution has missed your country all this time given that you are so close to the evolved group of countries you desperately long to join...
signed on Friday, the 02. of February 2001 at 11:28:31
the land that armania founded is actually chechens'territory, we r going to capture all of caucasia
signed on Friday, the 02. of February 2001 at 05:46:43
Artashes and Nemesis,
Sorry but you live in a deep and dangerous hysteria which may not give damage to my country only but your own nation too.
For Artashes,
The life of a single human being is more important than all material values on earth for me. I just want to correct the 1.5 million figure given by the chauvinists like you. Bazaar is not Turkish but has an Arabic origin and most of the merchants in Bazaars of Ottoman period were Armenians!
For the question you asked, my answer is simple. Brother of my grandfather, his wife and 11 years old daughter killed by Tashnak gangs in Erzurum had no idea about your chauvinist thoughts and they were living in piece.
You are using the term “so-called” too much. I just want to say that you are a “so-called” Armenian because you want to give damage to your own nation.
Nemesis,
I do not want to say too much to you because I have serious concerns about your intellectual level.
Just a simple question for your level! The places in Anatolia you asked are matching with the names asked by the Greeks and Kurds as their motherland. If we decide to give all these areas to you how you will reach an agreement with them? By tossing coin or what?
For you guys, it must be very easy to judge thinks happened from your comfortable chares in USA. Artashes, you have spent at least apart of your life in Turkey as I understood, so you must know the proverb “davulun sesi uzaktan hos gelir!”
My best wishes to all Armenian friends.
signed on Friday, the 02. of February 2001 at 00:57:55
To Selim with the"healthy" mind.
First of all, let me clarify to you from the very beginning that we're not talking about individual people… There were some Turks who were risking their lives to save their Armenian
neighbors from the other Turks too… This is not the issue. The issue is the quasi-military government that you so eagerly want to sell for true representative democracy to the whole world is, in fact, nothing else than an utmost form of human trash: Ecevit, Sezer, Cem, Ciller, Ozal, and all that "mulkiye" bloodsuckers show the real face of your barbaric country men (they are elected, aren't they?) Economic development hasn't changed them much, and it will never change. You blame Europe that it holds a stereotype of a "threatening Turk" from the days of the ottomans, but if you are not completely blind, that is not a stereotype, but a reality. Look, how those bastards in your government tear their throats apart warning everything and everybody that dares to criticize your "cradle of civilization". If Turks had nukes, I am sure Paris would have disappeared already.
The issue is that those coward hyenas in your government don't have a slightest notion of decency not to bargain with the rest of the planet about whether there were million or just (!!!) 300,000 Turkish citizens of Armenian origin exterminated upon a single order. It's true that the word "bazar" comes from Turkish -- but it's time for all of you there to learn that "bazar" is not applicable to human lives, at least in the best part of the world.
Nobody argues that the Brits, the French, the Spanish and the Portuguese have massacred a lot of people in their colonies at the time. But what is important for you to understand is that those guys have repented a long ago, and in their history books write explicitly about their shameful past. So why do you want to sell your past as if turks haven't hurt a fly, but instead were victims of "Tashnak gangs". Listen, you, "healthy", if Armenians killed some your family than you'd better ask why? Why would they kill Turks that were living in peace and mutual respect? Why do Kurds kill your fellow men today? Because you love them too much? Because you care so much about them that you want them to lose their ethnic identity in order to satisfy Ataturk's bubble dream of "unitary" state where everybody speaks one language and believes in one god?
No, mister, those were not gangs as you call them, and it wasn't a "SO-CALLED" genocide! Those were desperate people who lost their sons in Turkish army, their leaders in Turkish prisons, and were about to lose their homes and families to Ataturk's bloody vision!
Look at your history -- it's full of violence and blood. "Others' is too!" you would cry! Yes, right, others' is too! But, they understood, said sorry, and went on… while you and your government still bargain about the number of people your ancestors massacred in cold blood. That's the difference between you and the better world whose door your loser government is knocking on so desperately…
Cancel all your contracts today with France, tomorrow with the US, next day with the others. In the end, you'll need to import everything from the SO-CALLED Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus… and name all the streets after Nazi commanders. Sounds very promising! Good luck and keep your mind "healthy"!
signed on Thursday, the 01. of February 2001 at 15:32:04
To the MORON below:
I will not indulge myself into psychiatric aspects of being a turk (i.e. semi-human). I will try to explain, although sure in vain, to the moron below what is all about. First, there is a huge difference between being killed on the battlefield and being butchered unarmed in cold blood by a freaking turk! Second. Since you came to Europe from your native Mongolia, the only thing you have brought with you was destruction and blood. Your 600 hundred years history of unsuccessful attempts to become civilized humans have failed and the most convincing evidence for that is the denial of the Armenian Genocide. Third. I do not have any appetites for your turkish lands. God forbid. I simply want back my Cilicia, Sebastia, Mush, Samson,
Trabizon , Kars, etc.. When turkish propagandist mentions the Armenian support for the Russian army, they are trying to explore the lack of knowledge in the Western society in general about WWI, since the term “Russian” has bad connotation. The truth is that Armenians have always been allies to the
Entente. Fourth. I am not surprised by the attitude of the Armenians in Constantinople
and elsewhere in Western Armenia, because they are living in a fascist country.
signed on Thursday, the 01. of February 2001 at 14:01:29
Safak, you come from Adana. My Grandmother was born in Adana. But she grew up in Alleppo. Her Family was driven into the Syrian desert, by the Ottoman Soldiers, she was the only one to survive. Are you saying that she is a liar??!! You ignorant coward.
It is typical of your Race... GIVE BACK MY FAMILY LANDS!!!! We have been there for 4 thousand years... we will get it back. Be sure of that.
signed on Wednesday, the 31. of January 2001 at 16:16:31
"I should like to see any power in this world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people whose history is ended, whose wars have been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, whose literature is unread, whose music is unheard, and whose prayers are no more answered.
Go ahead, destroy this race! Destroy Armenia! See if you can do it. Send them from their homes into the desert.
Let them have neither bread nor water. Burn their homes and churches. Then, see if they will not laugh again, see if they will not sing and pray again. For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a New Armenia."
William Saroyan
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of January 2001 at 20:28:17
This is a great web page, but when will the "Kings and Dynasties" section will be completed?
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of January 2001 at 17:37:11
I am earnestly looking for slide pictures of St. Gregory the Illuminator, and architectural sites connected with him. Could you please help me locate as many of these slides as possible. I will be using them in a big Faith celebration in the Capital Region. Thank you very much.
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of January 2001 at 17:11:43
Very well developed and useful website. My website is not ready yet but please email me for directions on how I can be of any support to you.
Thank you.
Tevan Oganesyan
signed on Wednesday, the 24. of January 2001 at 17:56:08
Texan Jew - Austin, TX, The USA
To "evren tufan"
Listen, you, Kemalists' ass-licker, the Jews, the Nation I certainly affiliate myself to, have ALWAYS been sympathetic to the
Armenians, who share so much of their history and heritage. I assure you that small nations who suffered gross-persecutions which would amount even into a genocide, DO understand and co-feel each other very well. Particularly, American Jewry had made every single effort to promote the Armenian bill in the US congress, and only Clinton's interference disrupted the procedure, for the sake of use of your country land for launching the strikes on Iraq. Fortunately, the latter is not what France has any interest in. Would you deny the Jewish Holocaust happened? If yes, in the USA or Western Europe, and perhaps in other democratic countries (doubt yours one even remotely pertains to the category) you would have to pay a BIG fine, or even go to jail. Why would a villain not undergo the same treatment when denying the Armenian Holocaust? Just because Hitler killed 6 millions of Jews (and 5 millions of other origins) and your country men "only 1.5 million" in 1915??
If you have any delusions about our position in the United States here is a
quote from the opening statement of the declaration of the Union
of American Hebrew Congregations made on
November 07, 1989
"The
massacre of over 1.5 million Armenians beginning in 1915 by the Ottoman Turks
and the subsequent exile of an additional 500,000 Armenians is one of the most
shameful chapters of modern history." Furthermore,
the statement continues and states the most
important and ultimate emphasis that "Elie
Wiesel, a past U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council chairman said, `Before the
planning of the final solution, Hitler said, `Who remembers the Armenians.' He
was right. No one remembered them, as no one remembered the Jews. Rejected by
everyone, they felt expelled from history.'
The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Executive Council has unanimously agreed to
include reference to the Armenian and other genocides to help illuminate or
relate to the story of the holocaust."
Personally, I do not agree with the current policy by the State of Israel in cooperating with
militant Turkey, and the only thing to justify such policy that I can think of is Turkish hostility to the Islamic fundamentalists.
Turkey that was the open ally of first Kaiser's and
then the "neutral and silent" ally of Nazi Germany in both World
Wars... On June 22, 1941, the day after Hitler's sneak attack of the Soviet Union, Winston Churchill pronounced a speech in which he promised that "Great Britain will give all the aid it can possibly provide to Russian people",
including the then Soviet Armenia fighting the Nazi tyranny and enslavement. When one of the parliamentarians asked: "How can an Anti-communist support the Communists," Churchill immediately retorted: "If Hitler invaded hell, I would at least make a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons." Perhaps Israeli
foreign policy towards Turkey is dictated by this principle.
You write: "you can also wrýte we are jewýsh but you can not do ýt can you wýth all thýs lobbyýng all around the world…" [if you happen to be oblivious, go over, your writing beneath] My question is: who the hell of Earth is going to compare you to a Jew??? In fact, if anything, WHO has ever compared the Turks to the Jews??? Unless you, filthy anti-Semite and
Armeniaphobe, can give a valid reference to a respectable opinion, shut the hell up and don't you dare make such idiotic comparisons!!!
Get a bit educated first, and learn at least SOME History before your "compare".
signed on Monday, the 22. of January 2001 at 11:52:11
Barev. Hyanali e dzer website e. Sharunagek nuin vogov, ev togh astvats pahapan lini dzez.
signed on Sunday, the 21. of January 2001 at 09:27:04
To evren tufan
listen, moron... if you can't help using obscenities on this website, you'd better express your opinions, which I am sure, are supported by all the Azeri and Turkish "scientific" historians, at the "international (i.e. Turko-Azeri) conference on Armenian Genocide -- I bet it's an official language of that event.
Furthermore, concerning the Indo-European roots --
one of your Azeri brothers writing on this website tried to distance his people from the "trouble-making"
Turks, by claiming that Azeris are much closer to Iranians rather than Turks... Indo-Europeans were mentioned just to correct the ignorance on the part of your Azeri "brother"...
But here's another primitive argument of yours that needs a correction -- different people do not (!!!) belong to different linguistic groups based on the color of hair or eyes!!! If you want to find out more on those matters, you'll have to take care of your educational
achievement first, by spending a couple of days in a library (but, please, not the ataturk's library in Ankara)... Those are established facts, and there is nothing to be proud of in being either Indo-European, or Turkic, or Semitic... These are just facts that are commonly known. And the only thing that is racist is that people like you judge others based on the color of their hair, eyes, or the shape of the skull (remember III Reich?)... You know sometimes I really think that you there should raise a statue to Hitler in Ankara... Because the only regime that can support the so cherished "unitary
structure" of your country -- is a nazi dictatorship based on the cult of some corpse buried on a high hill (if you know what I mean)...
And regarding the 11% percent of Turkish public that agree that hands of the Kemalists are bloody till elbows -- it's from the
Turkish press, my dear -- I read it almost everyday since the entertaining value that it provides is far greater than
Hollywood comedies...
I repeat that every nation has its bad and good -- unfortunately in modern Turkey, the majority with barbaric
instincts still dominates...
But things will change whether you want it or not -- and the sooner it happens, the sooner Turkey as a nation will gain respect, which, alas, it's been losing ever since last century by playing the only trump it has ever had -- it's geo-political location.
signed on Friday, the 19. of January 2001 at 18:22:29
to ataturk
what you call turkish food is a mix of persian, armenian, greek, and arabic cuisines... no doubt, it's a good mix, but, unfortunately for your overblown pride in things that are not originally turkish (such as Greek ruins in the west and north, and Armenian ruins in the east and south the Asia Minor), there is nothing authentic in turkish cuisine per se...
So, instead of claiming that the human civilization was started by the Seljuks, improved by the Ottomans, and perfected by the Kemalists, you'd better acknowledge all you adopted from people on your way to Europe from the mountains of Altai... at least it will be honest, and perhaps people who like Turkish food will appreciate it more by knowing its true sources...
or maybe you would like "to leave it to historians" too...:)
signed on Friday, the 19. of January 2001 at 17:38:03
Vive La France!!!
signed on Thursday, the 18. of January 2001 at 14:24:08
Congratulations on the victory at the French National Assembly! I share your joy over the passing of the condemnation of the Armenian Genocide of 1915.
signed on Thursday, the 18. of January 2001 at 13:00:37
Excellent web site
signed on Wednesday, the 10. of January 2001 at 05:19:34
Kristos dznav yev haydnetzav to all Armenians!
signed on Saturday, the 06. of January 2001 at 10:53:50
congratulatiations for your great job!!!
signed on Saturday, the 06. of January 2001 at 09:37:49
I had ever thinking at Armenia as Europe, maybe I'm wrong but take a look at a Khachkar and a Celtic Cross!
signed on Monday, the 25. of December 2000 at 16:46:26
To A.G.
Racism is discrimination based on the belief that some races are by nature superior. Before calling me racist
Turks (i.e. semi-humans) must first qualify for the human race. The findings of British and American archeologists in Central Africa pertain to the origins of Homo sapience and not to mentally deficient, genetically incapacitated, and
physiologically misfortune Turks (i.e. semi-humans).
signed on Monday, the 18. of December 2000 at 17:51:52
Until, the Turkish government accepts that past, and admits to the horrors that they inflicted on a Christian race
because of their religion, the hatred will grow and fester and will be passed down from generation to generation.
This is the truth. We do not blame individuals, we blame a government.
Who do I blame when I hear my 90 year old grandfather having nightmares about his family being slaughtered
in front of him at the age of 5?
Who do I blame when my ancestral lands at Musa Ler have been taken from us by force and family driven away into the desert? who?
If you can answer these questions truthfully, and then the hate might die.
signed on Monday, the 18. of December 2000 at 15:30:08
Nice, keep up the good work~!!!!
signed on Sunday, the 17. of December 2000 at 12:48:11
THIS IS A GREAT SITE FOR OUR ARMENIAN YOUTH, EVEN FOR SOME ODARS, WHERE THEY CAN FIND ANSWERS FOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS RE: ARMENIAN HISTORY AND THEIR ANCESTRY. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
signed on Saturday, the 16. of December 2000 at 14:47:17
Who are the original aryans? (Indo-europeans?)
This is a question that still puzzles everybody.
Are the original Aryans, the germans or people from Iran or The "brahmins" of India??
(ranging from kashmiri pundits, to UP sharmas,to Maharashtra brahmins to Iyers(Ayyars) of tamil Nadu)
The genetic analysis of the above brahmin group clusters with the people of central asian republics.
Brahmins in India are about 3% of the total population, an unique race, who mostly do not intermarry and control about 90% of the India's reins. The nobel prize winners of India are all brahmins. The scientists who win fame and glory to india are mostly brahmins. The mathematical genious Ramanujam was an Iyers, the prime minister Mr Atal Behari vajpayee is an UP brahmin, NASA has dedicated space missions to Chandra (an Iyer).
Sanskrit which is an indo-european language belongs to the brahmins though the it is not spoken now and the brahmins tend to speak the language of the state they reside in.
There is a possiblilty that these Brahmins (Aryans) emigrated to Afghanistan, Iran, Central Asia and Europe.
Note the similarity between my name
"Narayanan",
some of the Last names found in this guestbook who don't belong to India
"Nazaryan".
Note the word aryan, in both the names.
The name Narayanan is the name of Lord Vishnu, who is regarded as the protector in Hinduism.
signed on Saturday, the 16. of December 2000 at 11:55:20
a poem i wrote like an hour ago...i decided to post it here...tell me what u guys think
As an Armenian
By Edvin Sarkissian
The slaughter of people for the world to see,
It seems like nobody saw it except for me.
Torturing the body until all was left was the soul,
After that was done they tortured it more.
Tell me how does it feel not being recognized?
As if the world turned their back and said it was lies.
A race left weak lacking power and might,
Now tell me how you expect us to fight?
Through every war and slaughter there was a helping hand,
But yet the world watched as they took our land.
A people rich in talent almost wiped off the earth,
Some even slaughtered right after birth.
I ask those who don't care to inquire and learn,
History repeats itself and one day it's you who might burn.
This is an event that can't be ignored,
It won't be forgotten because in our hearts it is stored.
For those like me don't forget who you are,
Don't lose your pride even if you live afar.
Don't hate your people even if you're not from the same place,
Because in the end were all the same race.
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of December 2000 at 23:33:40
I love Armenia. Yes hyeaser degha em yev mishd el gemenam.
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of December 2000 at 20:31:19
This is great!
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of December 2000 at 10:34:09
To A.G.
Unfortunately, your opinion on all the things you have mentioned are supported by only 11% of Turkish population, as was reported by a recent public opinion poll in Turkey. The recent “animal” reaction of the Turkish government to all the issues related to genocide and their, as you mentioned, horrible human rights record, just reinforce the stereotype that Turkey still remains “the sick man of Europe”. And the image of a Turk in the minds of ordinary folks is that of a “threatening Turk”. This is, I repeat, unfortunate, since it encourages ordinary folks to generalize – while, of course, Turks, just as any other people have their goods and bads, and just any other nation they want to leave in peace and prosperity. Unfortunately, your leadership thinks that the only way to achieve those goals is by suppression of minorities, by distorting the fact of history, by threatening the Europeans with retaliation and “ordering” at the same time to consider Turkey’s membership in European political structures. To me this all looks very rotten, and since leadership is very much representative of the nation – rotten leaders only send mixed signals to the ordinary folks….
And, concerning those extremist opinions about Turks – no doubt, they are wrong. You are not the first Turk who fairly voiced that concern on this page, but then you haven’t read all of this guest-book (it’s not very long)– there are opinions that address that issue…
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of December 2000 at 09:02:22
Yes, A.G., I fully agree. This is the level of the intellectual discourse in here. Please also note how the armenian genocide argument is used by some armenians to chanalize a lot of hate not only to a lot of innocent turks (that some armenians seem to consider to be the VERY same turks from 1915), but also to any other nation that this armenians consider to be THE turks. It has gone so far, that these people rather say that the azerians are THE turks, since they strongly need a reason to hate azerians, in order to "justify" the armenian aggression against Azerbadzjan, serving as a mean of expanding the great civilization of armenia and letting the "turks" to have some pay-back.
signed on Tuesday, the 12. of December 2000 at 11:18:58
I have to say that this site is really a complete work of all our history. It provides us with all the necessary facts about our motherland. The value of this site is that it touches all the aspects of the country. Finally I'd like to thank the author and the crew for this gorgeous site.
signed on Sunday, the 10. of December 2000 at 18:15:02
Dear Artashes and Nemesis,
Bravo engerk. You seem to have a commanding grasp of the socio-political and ethno-cultural peculiarities of the
trans-Caucasus. However, take it easy on "George from Iowa" he does not sound like all the other crude, ignorant and confused Turks we as Armenians come across.
signed on Friday, the 08. of December 2000 at 13:49:08
Dear George,
why do I have a strong feeling that I have engaged in this "sign-book" dialogue with an early amateur on many basic terms and questions of history? Please make an effort not to leave an impression of being one of the "prominent" Azeri or Turkish (the only cultural difference between the two as far as I am concerned is 70 years of Soviet flavor instead of 70 years of Ataturk's rulings-from-behind-the-grave) historians that gathered at a recent "international" and "scientific" conference in Ankara titled "The so-called Armenian Genocide"…
The references I made were to the official (!!!) Azeri newspaper - if you want to claim that it's crappy because the leadership of Mr. Aliev is such - I would readily agree. But, hey, whatever you pull, it's the official news source in that country, right?
Yet another, more fundamental question is that, to some extent, every nation deserves its leaders - and the fact that an old filthy freak who gave up his daily trips to Lenin's mausoleum in exchange to not less frequent trips to Mecca and Medina at the age of 70, remains a beloved leader whose genes are considered to be a "valuable" addition to the human genetic fund - says a lot about "the" people. Of course, it's wrong to generalize, but, you know, when leaders like yours have popular support - stereotypes are only being reinforced.
In a recent statement to the Radio Free Europe , Mr. Heydar said that "the official Azeri position is that Genocide never happened, and (pay attention) even if it happened, it's unfair to raise the issue after 85 years" - just imagine what this criminal moron suggests - slaughter million people, wait for 85 years, and you're free from prosecution! This is a president of a country we're talking about.
By the way, I noticed you introduced a new term "Azerian" - what is it (?) - you don't like how "Azeri" or "Azerbaijani" sounds? Or maybe you think your spelling makes Azeris more "culturally distinctive" from Turks? Or maybe I should understand it as a sign of an incomplete education - well, if so, it's never too late to learn …
signed on Thursday, the 07. of December 2000 at 21:15:50
Dear artashes, Regarding the newspaper, I agree, it is quite crappy, and is not a good
scource for reference. However it seems that you prefer to use it as a scource of information, are you always that "picky"?
Also, even if Azerians people did descended from the nomadic Turkish tribes, the Azerians are a nation of their own, don't mix this two different concepts. Ethnical and linguistical descendence was important for thousand years ago, but you missed the most important part, cultural.
signed on Thursday, the 07. of December 2000 at 13:22:54
in am a greek cypriot and i am disgusted at all the crap that turks do. they have shitted up the world and wherever they have gone they have caused big trouble. i think they should all leave the places they have settled and get lost back to bloody mongolia where their kind belongs. they are shits, they have a weak and crumbling army and it is not long now until the balkans and the true people of anadolia get sick of them and chuck out these gays. Aghia Sofia as predicted will one day be ours again, and we can destroy all the crappy kuranic arabic designs that the turks used to defile our second most holy site. our religion has been around from the days of Adham and then Avraam. although all the muslims have attempted, they have never suceeded in throwing out the patriarchs, and God will restore Konstandinouboli back to its true owners...great will be that day, and i am prepared to shoot all the turks i can to see it.
signed on Thursday, the 07. of December 2000 at 09:27:51
Hi there,
this is a reply to George, from Iowa.
First of all, on Sumgait -- dear George, you have probably read a lot of
issues of crappy "Bakinskiy Rabochiy" in your life to believe that Sumgait
was a mapping of similar events in Armenia.
I don't deny that Azeris were expelled from Armenia, but the key is the
chronology of the events. So please try to find some more decent
references, since if you do, you'll see that Sumgait was the the first
blood...
Secondly, all the nations you have mentioned, including Azeris, are
classified as Turkic nations, in order to separate their origins from say
Semitic nations, and the Indo-European ones.
This means that your ancient ancestors are supposedly from places like
Altai, and present-day Mongolia.
The link of modern Azeris to either Albanian or Atropat/Atrpatakan kingdoms that
existed on that territory long ago, has not been established yet (if you
have done so, I urge you to notify the editorial board of
Encyclopedia Britannica immediately).
What is ESTABLISHED is that Ethnically and Linguistically, the Azerbaijani
people descended from the nomadic
Turkish tribes that migrated west across Transcaucasia into present day
Turkey more than one thousand years ago.
So, two things: first, don't cast away your own origins -- there is
nothing to be ashamed of being 1500 years younger that Armenians and
2000 years younger that Persians (to whom, unfortunately, you have no
connection, but territorial, as the Persians also belong to the so-called
Indo-European family of languages that are traced back to Sanscrit).
And secondly, if Turks from Turkey read these letters of yours, their
government will probably issue and official protest or warning (as they
always like to do -- the aphorism "threatening Turk" must be unknown to
you), to the Azeri government, and will probably ask them to extradite you
from wherever you are, to Turkey -- so that they can brainwash you (in the
best scenario) with
their Pan-Turkism, i.e. Grand plans to stretch their power to the East,
including Azerbaijan, and all Central Asia (except Tajikistan, which is
non-Turkic). So, be careful buddy -- don't mess with Turkish
intelligence. They got Ocalan, they'll get you as well.
And finally, regarding Armenian occupation of the Azeri land -- nobody
disputes the fact that Armenians sit on more that just Karabakh, even
Armenians themselves.
But, see, from the military perspective, it's absolutely indispensable to
have clear couple of miles of brim around the enclave to "sterilize" the
Azeri artillery, just like Israelis were keeping Southern Lebanon...
Azeris will get all that brim back as soon as they agree that "nobody
should keep Stalin's gifts" (if you know what I mean).
And one last point: I was reading the above-mentioned newspaper recently,
and
guess what I read -- "Azeri public opinion supports Aliev's son as his
successor,
since the son is the heir of genes of a great leader!" Hey, with no personal
insult, tell me, what is that? Do, at least, some Azeris like you realize
that they don't live in Middle Ages any longer, and that transfer of power
based on genetic composition exists in a very few dictatorships and some
prominent tribes of Guinea island? cause if you don't, then, stop
dicsussing the achievements of Armenian civilization on an Armenian
website, but instead make an effort to read some more history and inquire
into the sources of Azeri governance -- for people like me reading Azeri
official newspapers, have an impression that you guys just invented fire
there...
Best, Artashes
signed on Tuesday, the 05. of December 2000 at 17:26:04
In early stages of the war, when Russian Spetz Naz (KGB special units) together with their Azeri counterparts (Azeri OMON) were trying to forcefully expel Armenian civilians from their villages and towns that was somehow normal to Azeri officials. Later when Chechen, Afghan and God knows what else mujahedin mercenaries were pillaging Armenian villages it was somehow normal. When Ukrainian and Russian pilots were bombarding Armenian villages that was also normal. In that times Russia was “the big brother” to peaceful Azeris. When Russian political “minds” finally realized the suicidal policies that they conduct in Caucasus, then suddenly Russia became Imperial elephant.
One thing is for sure. Karabagh is, has always been and will remain ARMENIAN.
It might be 1000 years from now, but soon or later we will take back every single inch of the sacred Armenian lands. Keep in mind that!
signed on Saturday, the 02. of December 2000 at 19:03:56
I would like to ask you the same question: "How can you claim that you know the facts and continue to argue about that?" Turkish and Azeris are not the same nation, this is the most common and stupid argument that Armenians use, stop that ignorance. (On the other hand I think you do it with purpose, that way it is easier for you to justify the Armenian aggression against Azerians, since Tursk did you wrong.) Never say that Azeris are Turkish! (Azerians have more incommon with Persians than with Turkish, but this is not relevant here.) Do you consider Uzbeks to be Turks as well, jut because of the language resemblense? Or Bashkirs? Also, Azerbajdzjan is a country that has existed as an independent state, long before the red revolution, when the Persians and Russians agreed upon dividing the country into 2 peaces. In fact the biggest part of Azerbajdzjan is now in Iran. Azerians had a shah-kingdom with cities like Ganja and others, we are talking very long time ago, for your information red revolution took place 1917, almost recently. When it comes to sticking with "reds", Armenia has shown to be good at brown-nosing its bigger neighbor Russia, when the USSR collapsed, that is the only reason you could by force throw out Azerian hosts out of their land, you got help from the imperialistic elefant of Russia. I think that this discussion will not lead to a sollution, my point here is to let you know that the conflict is not solved by a cease-fire agreement and that there are a lot of people that don't share the Armenian view when it comes to the so-called "facts".
Hayes?
signed on Saturday, the 02. of December 2000 at 09:00:06
If we apply your understanding of Azeri (or Turkish) lands, then we will come back to my suggestion to pack up your luggage and go back from where you came. According to your principle of Azeriness of the lands, probably you should start immediate negotiations with Kazakhstan and Mongolia to give you back what belongs to you.
Artzakh has never been Azeri land even after the invasions of the Mongols in 10-11c. AD. It is Stalin who gave you as a “free gift” Karabagh and Nakhichevan as a reward for your loyalty to the “Red ideas.”
Your beloved Nakhichevan was “ethnically cleansed” of Armenians early this century with the purpose to connect “AnaVatan” with the rest of the Turkic World.
I wonder how can you claim that you know the facts and continue to argue about that?
By the way, I like your way of reasoning, accept that you dismiss the factor time. When it comes to Armenian lands – it was 100 years ago, when it comes to Karabagh it was 10 years ago (which is not true at all) and that’s why it is declared Azeri land.
Actually, there is no such a state as Azerbaijan. It was ill borne by the October revolution.
You came with force and brutality from Pamir to Caucasus. It was you that entered our “home” without our permission and you claim that it is yours. NO WAY.
signed on Friday, the 01. of December 2000 at 20:48:33
When”peaceful” Azeris slaughtered Armenians in Sumgait and Baku, it is not classified as an aggression. When NATO bombed Serbia, because Serbians were “oppressing” peaceful Muslim Albanian
narco-trafficants is not an aggression. When Turks occupied half of the territory of Cyprus, while Muslim populace at the time was 17%, it is not aggression. However, when Armenians defended themselves in an enclave that is 86% populated with Armenians it is an aggression.
Dear George before making any comments learn the facts first.
signed on Friday, the 01. of December 2000 at 14:59:51
It could be great to include also our treasures located out of Armenia, e.g. Armenian Monasteries and Churches in France, Italy, Great Britain, Russia, Israel, Northern and Southern Americas, etc, as well as Armenian items in famous museums of the world, e.g Vatican, Louvre, British Museum, Hermitage, etc.
signed on Friday, the 01. of December 2000 at 07:02:34
I really feel bad when I think back on genocide, when Armenians were slaughtered by Turkish fanatics. I have some Armenian blood in my veins. However, please explain to me what the Turkish aggresion towards Armenian people almost 100 years ago has to do with the suverenity of the Azerian republic, today. Armenian actions is an example of cruel aggresion, not 100 years ago or so, but today, starting in 1990. Allready some 50 years ago, Azerian republic was subjected to cruel treatment by Russian regime and diveded in two peaces, Nachichevanj and Azerbajdzjan. As a result, armenian republic acquired a nice chunk of Azerian land "for free". As if this wasn't enough Armenians occupied the Nagorno-Karabakh in 1990 and now hold this Azerian land in its possesion. I beleive that Armenian civilization is great indeed in some sense, however I don't think that its greatness should be demonstrated by corrupting history in order to justify aggressive acts of this kind.
signed on Friday, the 01. of December 2000 at 04:46:39
If that power shift occurs than we will be able to take back the rest 90% of the occupied by the Turks Armenian lands, and if by chance Greeks take back
Constantinople, and if Assyrians take back their lands and if the rest of Balkan and Caucasian people take back what is rightfully theirs, than George and Co. may pack their luggage and go back to Mongolia, where they came from.
I promise I will help you to rebuild your tents!
signed on Thursday, the 30. of November 2000 at 21:09:05
Nice page, but,
the most important and true fact remains, Armenia is occupying 20% of Azerbadzjans terrotory. There are a lot of people aware of that! Someday a power shift in the world will hopefully bring this matter into a highlight since Russia will not be interesting to cover your back.
signed on Thursday, the 30. of November 2000 at 19:37:05
Wonderful
signed on Wednesday, the 29. of November 2000 at 13:28:39
This is the one of the most comprehensive Armenian sites ever made.
signed on Wednesday, the 29. of November 2000 at 06:28:38
First of all this is a marvelous site, maybe the best Armenian site on the web. I agree with Misak about everything that he said except about the comments about the western world. Western countries accepted Armenian refugees from heathen countries like Persia and the Ottoman Empire which oppressed the Armenian people. The Western countries excepted our people and gave us a home and shared their countries with us. If it wasn't for America and all those European countries I doubt that there would be even 1 million Armenians left in this world today, and there would not even be an Armenian Republic. Through countries like USA, France, and Russia great men like Arshile Gorky, Hovaness Aivazovski,Charles Aznavour, Kasparov...etc showed the civilized world the greatness of our people. The only thing that Turks and Persians did was kill us and dirty our blood through their occupation of our lands.
signed on Friday, the 03. of November 2000 at 14:52:27
Great site. Proud of my Armenian heritage. But please do not diminish the good name of the Armenians by antagonizing the new generation of Turks and Kurds. Our struggle is a political one and not a personal or racist one. Armenians have genuine political and human rights claims. But Armenians must remember that the Kemalist revisionist history taught to generations of Turkish people since 1920 have had its impact. Armenians must help free thinking Turks to learn about the political mistakes of their past and present leaders. Sites such as this educate them and the world about our rich cultural heritage of the Armenians in Western Armenia and all of the world for that matter. The interests of the Armenian people are the same as ordinary Turks. To live in freedom, security and prosperity. The internet provides us with the means to open a constructive dialogue with all oppressed people in the region, including Turks, Kurds, Cypriot Greeks and all others the region oppressed people. Please leave out insults and swearing out of this great site and other internet sites. Promote what we have in common and what we share. The Turkish people have experienced dictatorships and torture by their NATO-backed army. Long live the unity and cooperation of the Armenian and Kurdish people. Relying on western powers has always resulted in our people being divided and killing each other for too many years. Let's not continue falling in this "divide & rule" political trap.
signed on Thursday, the 02. of November 2000 at 13:31:35
aper sitet spanuma. Kchona
signed on Thursday, the 02. of November 2000 at 08:16:02
Recognizing all the common, equivalent
French/English/German words you didn't know
you knew is a lot of fun. Interested? If so, visit:
http://www.alainpechon.com
signed on Saturday, the 28. of October 2000 at 11:16:46
I'm looking for Vigen Charyan born @9-6-75
I love him, and We can't find each other!
my home is 310-608-5398
my pager is 310-307-2728
my email is cryptic_sugar@hotmail.com
I love being Armenian!
signed on Tuesday, the 24. of October 2000 at 16:32:32
I like your information. In Romania, we have 4 parishes only, the last bishop died in 1965, the last priest in Oct 21, 1998. The mass is celebrated in Hungarian [the Armenians were denationalized by the Habsburg Empire], and I need from you, if you can, some lesson of Armenian. Please, send me an Armenian liturgical calendar with all the saints of the 365 days of the year, with their names in Armenian and English/French. Please, tell me how to translate my 1st name into Armenian. Thank you, and have a good luck in your activity!!!
signed on Tuesday, the 24. of October 2000 at 02:46:35
OK Mr. Tom,
First off all I want to apologize to the Webmaster of this honorable webpage for the unusual length of this posting.
Normally I don’t talk (or write) to Turks, but since you’ve said that you cried I’d make an exception in your case. The followings are excerpts from the book “The Sultans” by Noel Barber. He is British and as such hardly could be “accused” of being pro-Armenian. The first excerpt is MacGahan’s first dispatch for ‘Daily News’ describing the moment he approached Batak, Bulgaria, and the second one is about the massacres of Trabzone in Western Armenia, he wrote:
“ I counted from the saddle a hundred skulls, picked and licked clean: all of women and children. We entered the town. On every side were skulls and skeletons charred among the ruins or lying entire where they fell in their clothing. They were skeletons of girls and women with long brown hair hanging to their skulls. We approached the church. There these remains were more frequent, until the ground was literally covered with skeletons, skulls and putrefying bodies in clothing. Between the church and the school there were heaps. The stench was fearful. We entered the churchyard. The sight was more dreadful. The bodies partly covered – hands, legs, arms and heads projected in ghastly confusion. I saw many little hands, heads and feet of children of three years of age, and girls with heads covered with beautiful hair. The church was still worse. The floor was covered with rotting bodies quite uncovered. I never imagined anything so fearful. There were three thousand bodies in the churchyard and church…. In the school, a fine building, two hundred women and children had been burnt alive. All over the town there were the same scenes…The man who did all this Achmed Aga, has been promoted and is still Governor of the district. No crime invented By Turkish ferocity was left uncommitted.”
30 years later:
“Details of the massacre at Trebizond, in which every Christian in the city was killed, came from the captain of an Austrian Lloyd’s steamer who saw Armenians caught and drowned by Moslem boatmen as they tried to swim to freedom. A member of the British Embassy, Gerald Fitzmaurice, gave the world the first details of how 3000 men, women and children were deliberately roasted alive inside the cathedral at Urfa. The Armenian families had gone to the cathedral, large enough for a congregation of several thousand, in the mistaken belief that no Moslem would molest them in a house of God. For the moment, their faith seemed justified. They were surrounded by a double ring of troops. At the mid-day prayer on the Sunday an Imam waved a green flag, emblem of the Moslem faith, as a signal for a general attack in the city. Every house in the Armenian quarter of Trebizond was plundered, and then began a ghastly ritual slaughter. In the words of Fitzmaurice, ‘a certain sheik ordered his followers to bring as many stalwart young Armenians as he could find. To the number of about a hundred they were thrown on their backs and held down by their hands and feet, while the sheik, with a combination of fanaticism and cruelty, proceeded, while reciting verses of the Koran, to cut their throats after the Mecca rite of sacrificing sheep.’”
The official Turkish propaganda calls these barbaric acts “incidents”. The honorable US Government calls them “tragic events” (as if it is about car accident). I call them Genocide (i.e. systematic and deliberate annihilation of the Christian populace of the Turkish Ottoman Empire).
80 years later:
During the Gulf War, the sadistic Turkish government under the false pretext of “security considerations” mercilessly executed thousands of Kurdish civilians, using prohibited by numerous International conventions chemical weapons for mass destruction.
In democratic and pluralistic societies (the so-called “Modern Republic of Turkey” pretends to be one) Governments do not fall from heaven, they are elected by the people. And people are supposed to make intelligent and responsible choices, otherwise they are doomed to suffer the consequences of their bad choice. Your whole country is nothing but artificial geopolitical creation of the West that must pass away. As to my statement about “semi-humans”, long before me, William Gladstone wrote: “Turks are the great anti-human specimen of humanity”.
PS: There is an eastern saying that goes: The wolf may change his fur, but he never changes his character.
signed on Monday, the 23. of October 2000 at 18:34:44
This is such an awesome web page!
signed on Monday, the 23. of October 2000 at 15:49:17
Correction!
My sincere apologies to Nemesis -- I must have read his "American
flag" for "Armenian flag", and thought that Nemesis is just one of the 79%
of Turkish poll sample who "honestly" believes that Turkey has an
impeccable human rights record over its history...
Therefore, that part of the previous comment refers to those Turks, and
not to Nemesis.
Sorry, buddy... After reading www.turkishpress.com emotions take over...
But as an advice, don't burn any flag -- that's the last resort of
desperate losers, and Armenians are not such -- the resolution was just
temporarily withdrawn, and whatever happens to it -- it will remain a
heavy bone stuck deep down in the "throat" of Turkey's barbaric foreign
policy...
unless they get some courage to swallow it...
signed on Monday, the 23. of October 2000 at 11:33:45
This a reply to Tom and Nemesis.
Tom, nobody, at least, not a single sober and reasonable human being should generalize any accusations to the whole nation -- that is wrong and unjust.
But wrong and unjust is also the fact that Kemalists lie to the world about their own history, ban minorities from using their languages (the kurds, in this case), forbid its own nationals (religious turks) from practicing Islam (why aren't religious women allowed to cover their heads?) -- you guys pretend that you have an open and democratic country -- in fact, its a totalitarian regime very similar to the one in communist Russia, where the cult of Ataturk is absolute (the analogy to Lenin should have an educational value).
It's a tyranny of the "secular" majority over everybody else in the country. I don't envy you for living in a country governed by bunch of anti-religious
hypocrites whose only goal is to sell their own identity in order to prove to the whole world that they are westerners, and get a place in certain organizations.
Notice, these are not accusations against Turkish people, since as any nation the Turks have their
good and bad, and they are a lot of wonderful Turks as there are villains too...
But, unfortunately, the villains are the ones who have the power in modern Turkey, and they keep on brainwashing guys like Nemesis (or whatever his real name is) to the extent that the latter hopes to find a satisfaction in burning an Armenian flag. Go ahead, Nemesis, it's perfectly legal, as it is an expression of individual opinion (burning a flag may be illegal only in a country like Turkey, as it will be probably counted for treason and disrespect of the values Kemal Ataturk built the country on).
So, Tom, ignore the opinions based on stereotypes, and be sure that you are not considered a beast just because you are a Turk (and whoever considers you so is an animal him/herself). But beasts are the people who try to dictate you what your conscience should be, who try to show to the world that the Turkish society is one unified and happy family by massacring all those who dare to yell that they aren't happy!
Beware of guys like Nemesis -- today they burn a flag, tomorrow they will ask to burn a human being...
And 85 later they would claim that they are the greatest humanists...
signed on Sunday, the 22. of October 2000 at 16:07:54
I read all the comments and I cried. I am not lying, I am trully speaking. I have turkish, bulgarian, greek blood in my vains. I consider myself as a Turk and not as a semi-human...
I sat down in front of my computer and cried for some time after reading Abraham Benlian's comment on Turkish. Sorry mate but I AM NOT A BEAST AND NONE OF THE TURKISH I KNOW IS. Believe or not my hands shake right now, I can not write properly.
Please do not defend PKK nor ÖCALAN. Öcalan killed many Kurdish people with many Turkish.
God knows how many cigarettes I smoked wlile reading the comments... I especially want Abraham Benlian to come and visit me in Turkey sometime. I really want to show how kind of a person I am. Not a beast at all. By the way my great grand father rests in an Armenian cemetary right now, he ws not armenian at least not to my knowledge.
My roots are the Balkans and 90% of my friends too.
Mr. Abraham Benlian, I hope you will understand not to blame a whole nation one day...
signed on Saturday, the 21. of October 2000 at 12:12:46
Is it legal to burn in public the American flag?
I have great desire to do so!!!
signed on Thursday, the 19. of October 2000 at 23:49:05
Nice site! I am a Greek Canadian and I was very impressed by your site, and all the information it contained! Good Work!
LONG LIVE HELLAS AND ARMENIA!
signed on Monday, the 16. of October 2000 at 01:55:47
The biggest misconception among Armenians is that we perceive ourselves as intellectually sophisticated and morally fit people, but I’m afraid this is not the case at all. Instead of fighting turks for centuries we should have join them and help them to build their Turan /from China to Vienna/, just like Jews did. And if so than probably these days we should have been witnessing the frenetic attempts of French, Germans, English and other European smart a** “Christians” to pass their respective Genocide resolutions in the US Congress. This is what history is all about. To take notes and to teach us a lesson.
Don’t lynch me. Just a thought.
signed on Wednesday, the 11. of October 2000 at 10:44:33
Such a high-quality, thought-provoking site. Thank you!
signed on Tuesday, the 10. of October 2000 at 13:23:06
This is a great site, of course, but my comment is about somthing else...
It's a great pity that at this time when Armenians
are close as never before to the US recognition of the
horrible act of genocide agains their ancestors
committed by the government of the Young Turks,
Mesrob II of Armenian patriarchate in Istanbul
raises his double-faced concern about the petty traders
that benefit from trade with Turkey.
This is the most ridiculous excuse a figure of such
an importance could find -- I am sure, however important
the trade is for many Armenians is in these days of economic
hardship, every trader will readily give up their trade in
order to bring to justice the criminal regime
of Kemalists. Therefore, Mesrob II concern is about
his own security in modern Turkey, and not for
his fellow Armenians across the border.
If it's up to him -- maybe Armenians never lived
elsewhere in Turkey other than Istanbul...
Such public announcements as he makes are simply unacceptable...
signed on Monday, the 09. of October 2000 at 18:51:37
I live in the Nashville, Tennessee are. I am a universal percussionist who has been playing drums since age 3. I am now 33. I have played for very famous people and would now like to play hand drums in an Armenian - Christian setting. I teach in town at MARS MUSIC STORE inc. I also teach at my home. Please accept me into your community.
signed on Monday, the 09. of October 2000 at 09:02:43
I live in the Nashville, Tennessee are. I am a universal percussionist who has been playing drums since age 3. I am now 33. I have played for very famous people and would now like to play hand drums in an Armenian - Christian setting. I teach in town at MARS MUSIC STORE inc. I also teach at my home. Please accept me into your community.
signed on Monday, the 09. of October 2000 at 09:02:10
If as the Turks claim there was no Armenian Genocide, then there was no Holocaust and no massacre of the Native Americans. Then the Revisionists and Liars of the world, win and my Father was a liar, that all of his "unarmed" family was slaughtered by the Turks. My Grandfather refused to convert from Christianity, as demanded by the Turks.
signed on Saturday, the 07. of October 2000 at 17:15:48
This site is superb. The design is very appealing to the eye, but more
importantly, the content is so extensive. This site
is great to learn more about our long history as Armenians.
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of October 2000 at 14:54:33
Marvelous site! Great content and photos create an experience professionally put together.
signed on Wednesday, the 04. of October 2000 at 14:40:18
long live armenia
signed on Sunday, the 01. of October 2000 at 00:00:00
There are no words, especially in English, that can even describe what I am feeling right now. You are the BEST!!! I was born in USA but was raised as a Hye and this is a beautiful gift for all of us. Thank you.
signed on Thursday, the 28. of September 2000 at 00:22:16
Ãåâîðê äæàí, ÿ ãîðæóñü òîáîé!!!
signed on Sunday, the 24. of September 2000 at 07:32:43
First of all I want to say thank you
for your web site. It's great!
I send you my lyrics and music /MP3 format/ that I wrote for Armenian earthquake . Now if you are interested it you can download it from :
http://back.to/Dec7
I'll be proud if you like it and add it
to your www.links
signed on Friday, the 22. of September 2000 at 03:04:58
I love the site, it is very informative and very detailed. Well done, great research.
Check out the newest addition to Armenian music culture - Hokis.co.uk - coming for you straight from London.
signed on Thursday, the 21. of September 2000 at 13:01:27
Wow !
Great source of information...
Very patriotic of you, I salute you & others who built this magnificent web page.
Shad,Shad shnor agal em ...
signed on Wednesday, the 20. of September 2000 at 22:58:06
Great Job! I loved it.
signed on Tuesday, the 19. of September 2000 at 14:24:44
Very interesting website!
signed on Thursday, the 14. of September 2000 at 19:34:37
Very interesting and informative. It has given me great knowledge to pass onto my children.
Thank you.
signed on Tuesday, the 12. of September 2000 at 04:58:31
Very Nice
signed on Wednesday, the 06. of September 2000 at 16:48:33
Very impressive.
signed on Wednesday, the 06. of September 2000 at 16:15:53
Please email me for more info on SME development in Armenia!
signed on Thursday, the 31. of August 2000 at 01:48:50
shout out to armenians all over the world
i represent paris and france is the country which have the largest armenian diaspora of all the planet!!!
signed on Tuesday, the 29. of August 2000 at 02:16:22
a great site...i am armenian and proud of it!
thanks
tarley.
signed on Monday, the 28. of August 2000 at 16:44:31
Do not allow emotions to guide you. Ignore the barbarians.
Turks (i.e. semi-humans) have huge psychological problem. Russians beat them, Greeks beat them, Bulgarians beat them, Serbians beat them, Macedonians beat them and finally we beat them. The only thing they became experts on is how to kill and rape innocent women and children. And they continue to do that till now. (Kurds are the freshest example). They know that they are “foreign body” in Europe.
I hope their civilized Western friends will teach them the meaning of the word “repentance” and then we could talk.. Till then:
Forward, immortals of a martyred race,
Armor of six centuries of unforgettable vengeance,
Upon the far mountaintops of our fatherland,
Let us go to plant the tri-colored flag.
Giant of dedication,
Fiery winged fleet,
Volunteer army,
Forward, forward firmly,
Forward unwaveringly,
Towards victory, victory.
The black blood of the evil ones irrigated our soil,
The exiled Armenian renewed his life,
Yesterday chained, today free,
Resurrected nobly from the obscure tomb.
Giant of dedication,
Fiery winged fleet,
Volunteer Army,
Forward, forward firmly,
Forward unwaveringly,
Towards victory, victory!
signed on Thursday, the 24. of August 2000 at 14:41:35
...messages were removed from the guestbook due to the vulgarity of the signers.
Serob "The Great" Aghbiur you are great. Thank you for your trustworthy comments. Yes, one day we will get Kars, Erzurum, Bitlis, Mush, Sassun, Urfa, Adana and Glorious Van and restore Greater Armenia. I also like to thank “Armenian Girl” for being courageous and defending the Armenian Cause. You are defiantly right, improper
people like that are jealous of the splendid Armenian heritage that has existed for many centuries and it will continue to exist.
We will look back to 1915 and say: NEVER AGAIN. Together we will work to bring justice and finally let the souls of our ancestors rest in peace, who were brutally murdered, massacred and destroyed from their own ancestral homeland.
signed on Wednesday, the 23. of August 2000 at 23:18:38
It's really heartwarming to see all of us out there enjoying this great site. Thank you.
signed on Friday, the 18. of August 2000 at 15:19:53
Thank you for evrything!
Abrek yev abrek !
signed on Monday, the 14. of August 2000 at 17:21:40
Nice Job!
signed on Friday, the 11. of August 2000 at 10:48:36
my first encounter with this very informative website. Ou community needs more such active electronic communication sites.
signed on Wednesday, the 09. of August 2000 at 11:55:45
Hello to our extended Armenian family
which now reaches around the world.
signed on Monday, the 07. of August 2000 at 23:47:59
I am most impressed. It will not only increase my knowledge of my Armenian heritage, but it will be very useful for my Sunday School students at the St Vartan Armenian Apostolic Church of Vancouver, B.C. Thank you!!!!!!!!!
signed on Monday, the 07. of August 2000 at 09:00:37
Cool site! Also check:
http://www.hyebiz.com
For Armenian Music, Chat, Cafe, and more!
signed on Monday, the 07. of August 2000 at 03:12:17
Intellectually and visually stimulating site of high qualtiy and tastefull character. Abrek dghek yev Getse Medzn Hayasdan!
signed on Saturday, the 05. of August 2000 at 22:03:21
long live Armenia
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of August 2000 at 14:39:30
long live Armenia
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of August 2000 at 14:37:16
Bravo Gevork!!!
signed on Sunday, the 30. of July 2000 at 12:01:17
My first visit while I was surfing the net. I congradulate
you for a superb job and I am impressed.
signed on Thursday, the 27. of July 2000 at 20:26:52
This is a wondeful site. Keep up the good work.
signed on Monday, the 24. of July 2000 at 08:42:16
This is exactly what we need to communicate to the rest of the world. Finally a decent Hye website with no fluff. Excellent foundation but lots of room to expand on the enough to develop it into a serious Hye portal.
This would be the definitive "Everything you want to know about Hyastan and more"
One more historical piece of information that can be useful both to the Hye Canoer (surfer) as well as the curious:
As Hyes we call ourselves Hye and everyone refers to us as Armenian. We are Hyes from Hyastan who twisted this to Armenians from Armenia????
signed on Sunday, the 23. of July 2000 at 14:54:15
This site is great, I can't believe the amount of work put into it! The information and pictures really make it interesting. Thank You.
signed on Saturday, the 22. of July 2000 at 17:40:06
It is time for the world to know what we are made of.
It is time for the world to see what we have done.
It is time for the world to see where we have been.
It is time for the world to know that we, Armenians are coming back.
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of July 2000 at 22:20:41
I think that this websie is a wonderfull contribution towards full aknowledgement of Armenian past and pressent occurences. Keep up the good work.
signed on Thursday, the 06. of July 2000 at 17:05:17
seems like a wonderful destination for a visit
signed on Monday, the 03. of July 2000 at 20:11:53
Thank you for your excellent pages. Very helpful in our preparation for our planned visit of your country in September.
signed on Wednesday, the 28. of June 2000 at 06:11:37
Just wanted to say ~Barev~
signed on Friday, the 23. of June 2000 at 12:18:59
Day by day I see the good and bad of my people, and it is with the bottom of my heart that I say, I am proud to be Armenian. Long live my people, land, culture. May God look over us forever. Amen.
signed on Thursday, the 22. of June 2000 at 16:42:12
Awsome site for those interested in the Armanian culture.
Many thanks for its construction.
signed on Thursday, the 22. of June 2000 at 10:55:49
Fantastic site, hope to visit Turkish Armenia, the cities of ORDU
and Kharpet (cities of my mother and father). Not
enough (any) tours for Armenians to Turkish Armenia.
signed on Tuesday, the 20. of June 2000 at 11:34:25
I Like Your Site
signed on Monday, the 19. of June 2000 at 00:36:17
IM GLAD IM ARMENIAN AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST SITES OUT THER I EVER SEEN.
I PROUD IM ARMENIAN AND I LOVE ARMENIANS
signed on Sunday, the 18. of June 2000 at 01:44:19
A great job well done. You are a true embassador
of all Armenians. I applaud you. Abris shad abris yev ays keghetzig kortze sharounages.
Our youth today has enormous responsibilities - being born an Armenian is a privilege, living as an Armenian is a challenge!
signed on Sunday, the 11. of June 2000 at 23:16:55
I loved your web page it brings me closer to my roots. Thank you
signed on Friday, the 09. of June 2000 at 08:45:33
I was happy to discover your page while "surfing"
for major Armenian writers and their contributions. Toumanian is one of the first writes learn about in Armenian school and he rightfully deserves to be the first to appear on
your web page. Now, how about the greatest Armenian dramatist, Levon Shant? My graduate degrees are based on his major plays, and I am always seeking new sources to add to my manuscripts.
Your web-site is very inspiring and I shall visit
it often. Thank you for providing this treasure.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of June 2000 at 21:53:07
Great Armenian Patriotic site.
visit http://w3.to/apfw
(another patriotic site)
signed on Monday, the 05. of June 2000 at 05:12:38
I'm living in Prague for more than 20 years and
this is the way I keep in touch with my original
background. My cousin from NJ passed on your website saying it would interest me, as well as my children.
signed on Sunday, the 04. of June 2000 at 07:31:35
THANK YOU!! I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR INFO ON OUR ROOTS FOR A LONG TIME. YOUR PAGE MADE MY ARMENIAN HEART SWELL WITH PRIDE.
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of May 2000 at 03:44:50
WONDERFUL SITE~~..
signed on Monday, the 29. of May 2000 at 12:57:57
I am interested in any information on the background of my maiden name, Melikian.
Thank you.
Shannon Melikian
signed on Friday, the 26. of May 2000 at 07:33:14
A wonderful experience to have been able to found your site and read all about this most important region of the World, as well as unique insight on the origins of Indo-European Languages.
signed on Tuesday, the 23. of May 2000 at 10:15:43
Parev,
Thank you very much for this site. I'm very proud to say that I'm ARMENIAN! My best wishes is to visit Armenia one day. My request from this site, have more Armenian Lyrics and introduce Armenian singers all over the world. I LOVE all the Armenians.
SER YEV MIYUTYUN GI MAGTEM!
SNORHAGALUTYUN, BAÇÝKNER
SÝBÝL
signed on Wednesday, the 17. of May 2000 at 00:29:11
Thank you very much for this site. I'm very proud to say that I'm ARMENIAN! My best wishes is to visit Armenia one day. My request from this site, have more Armenian Lyrics and introduce Armenian singers all over the world. I LOVE all the Armenians.
SER YEV MIYUTYUN GI MAGTEM!
SNORHAGALUTYUN, BAÇÝKNER
SÝBÝL
signed on Wednesday, the 17. of May 2000 at 00:24:25
Thank you very much, for this site. Like my name is saying I'm ARMENIAN so proudly ! My family was from Yozgad, for my father and from Kharpert (now Eliazig) for my mother. Today, this two town are in Turkey. Then, when I want to see something on my country I can't see it in my own country. So sad. But, to see the Ararat's mountains,on the sunset, for the first time of my life was so great. and to have news with photos of the evenements from every days drow me nearer of Armenia and Armenians. Then again THANK YOU !!! Menak parov !
signed on Saturday, the 13. of May 2000 at 12:08:26
Those who constructed this site and are still
arduously working on improving it - THANK YOU!
It's one of the few good Armenian sites, and it
has embraced some aspects of our heritage that
most of the sites tend to miss. I loved it, and
will make a link to it as soon as I finish
constructing my own webpage.
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of May 2000 at 16:43:58
Really nice page. Just get rid of all the Levon Ter-Petrosian stuff. The guy was messed up.
signed on Tuesday, the 25. of April 2000 at 11:55:12
i've very recently begun to appreciate my rich armenian heritage. feel like i've been cut-off from my past, and i regret that only now have i felt the ignition of a sufficient yearning to identify my place in the history of the world to start researching, reading, and seeking out other armenians (in addition to family). i'm excited to feel as though i'm a part of such a culture rich with faith, wisdom, creativity and perseverance. god bless!
signed on Sunday, the 23. of April 2000 at 20:12:56
Now then, can we have a duplicate of this web page in the Turkish language, so that the average Turkish speaking person also can learn the truth?
Let me know if I can help.
kevorkkalayjian@hotmail.com
signed on Thursday, the 20. of April 2000 at 12:24:37
Shalom.
I am looking for my old class & schoolmates
Dicko & Kevork Torosian who lived in Israel and studied in Tabeetha school Jaffa.
Join http://tabeetha.intranets.com
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of April 2000 at 21:04:05
I have just sent a message announcing the linkon my web page to your image showing the tree of Indo-European languages, hoping that this image will be available for a while.
signed on Saturday, the 15. of April 2000 at 14:01:13
Your efforts to diffuse the knowledge of our ancestors have not gone unappreciated. Thank you.
signed on Saturday, the 15. of April 2000 at 13:29:32
I was very impressed when I first visited your website.It is an open window on the Armenian History & Culture, very rich information provider for non-Armenians.
Thanks alot.
****HAYRENIKY HED HAYRENIKY HAMAR****
signed on Friday, the 07. of April 2000 at 06:21:16
I am very impressed by this site and the quality
of information , a most splendid achievment that
does justice to our ancient race .If I may please
make one suggestion , REMOVE Levon Ter-Petrossian
from the list of Prominent Armenians .
signed on Friday, the 31. of March 2000 at 21:14:36
My grandmother is an Armenian, as was her mother. I have heard many stories about their country but was never able to fully appreciate the history or cultural aspects of Armenia.
It is great to see a web site that can be accessed that enables me to see into their culture and some of my distant heritage.
Thank you.
signed on Wednesday, the 29. of March 2000 at 21:32:14
The best website i have ever seen keep up the good work and show the rest of the world how butifull Armenia is.
Well done
signed on Monday, the 27. of March 2000 at 02:19:42
This site is an excellent acomplishment. Being able to have a resource like this page, has helped me research my family's heritage.
Thank You for all of your hard work.
signed on Sunday, the 12. of March 2000 at 09:05:30
This is one of the best Armenian websites I have stumbled upon. I can not think of a better way to teach the future generation of Armenians about their past. I am sixteen years old and am learning about the Armenian history through this website. Thank you for giving knowledge to the future Armenians
signed on Saturday, the 11. of March 2000 at 22:21:25
Not Bad. Good layout, very informative.
Getseh Hayasdan!
signed on Tuesday, the 07. of March 2000 at 20:20:19
wonderfull page ,long live the armenian brotherhood.
signed on Saturday, the 26. of February 2000 at 22:52:51
It's a very good idea to build such a site. I think you can enlarge the quantity of the provided information about armenia, churcn, prominent persons.
I also would like to contact people who knows and interested in Andranik Ozanian's life, history etc.
Thank you
signed on Thursday, the 24. of February 2000 at 07:58:16
I commend your work in introducing the Armenian History with such dedication and "in your face" Armenianism. Your site is a gem in my book and my young family's heart. FOREVER ARMENIA!
God Bless every Armenian
Raffi Antraning Kalanjian and Family
Sterling Heights, Michigan
signed on Monday, the 14. of February 2000 at 18:43:06
Beautiful!
signed on Sunday, the 13. of February 2000 at 15:27:52
In my house The Armenian Highlands is bookmarked
and we always refer to it for Armenian history
enlightenments. It is a beautiful website. Today
the 5th Feb. 2000 and for the first time, I noticed that the site it not
operating. It keeps coming back to the first page.
I thought I better inform you to see what's going on.
Best wishes and success in your endeavor for creating
such a beautiful site,
Sebouh Z. Tashjian
PS: Yr response by email will be greatly appreciated.
signed on Friday, the 04. of February 2000 at 23:57:24
You deserve a "standing ovation" for the beauty
and enlightenment your web site provides. I am
always seeking recent sources on Levon Shant as I
have translated 3 of his major works and need to
update sources to keep the work current. I "stumbled" on to your site and clicked the writers site, but there was only a photo of Toumanian and a group of men in the photo. (Could
that have been the famous "Vernadoon" group?)
Congratulations! You've made a valuable contribution.
signed on Friday, the 04. of February 2000 at 13:22:48
I think this is one of the best pages I ever saw about the armenian culture, and I'm proud to see that there are more people like me that don't forget our past. Keep on this way!
signed on Thursday, the 20. of January 2000 at 03:50:39
This is an excellent site. You have done an outstanding job. I would recommend this site to anyone interested in a good source or starting point for information about Armenia and its extremely rich heritage. Excellent work.
signed on Tuesday, the 18. of January 2000 at 22:17:38
I am in love with more of Armenia than just the
country itself or this magnificent splendor and
grandeur of beauty I find in the highlands.
I am discovering that everything in your region
of the world, from the first person I have met
to the highest peak I can see, is beauty to the
core.
signed on Saturday, the 15. of January 2000 at 03:00:08
i have to stand and applaud at such a magnificent website,
you are the pride of the Armenian people and inspiration
to us all. You are Kings in your own right !
Keep up the good work, as by spreading the Armenian
word you are continuing our 8000 year old strugle.
signed on Thursday, the 13. of January 2000 at 15:51:11
i have to stand and applaud at such a magnificent website,
you are the pride of the Armenian people and inspiration
to us all. You are King in your own right !
Keep up the good work, as by spreading the Armenian
word you are continuing our 8000 year old strugle.
signed on Thursday, the 13. of January 2000 at 15:45:20
Thank you for creating such a wonderful web page, which enlightens many armenians and other cultures as well about Armenia and its history. Your web page serves its purpose perfectly and many people appreciate you thoughfulness and efforts that you have put to make this possible. I am very proud of you and wish you the best to continue the great job that you have started.
GOD BLESS YOU!
signed on Tuesday, the 04. of January 2000 at 00:22:33
Happy 2000 from Armenian Highland! I hope that the year 2000 will be a stepping stone for the XXIst century. We approach the millennial year of 2001 with new strength, vitality and a renewed sense of hope.
signed on Saturday, the 01. of January 2000 at 00:00:00
You have created the best Armenian page I have seen so far! Thank you! EXEL ENK, KANK, U piti linenk
signed on Friday, the 10. of December 1999 at 07:56:06
i am not armenian, but i have had armenian friends. i am very interested in learning more about the culture.
signed on Friday, the 03. of December 1999 at 11:22:29
To whom it may concern:
We are interested in linking to your site, and we will reciprocate and put your site on ours.
We await your response.
Thank You,
Greg Krikorian, Director
Armenian Heritage Organization
Tel # 508-485-0255
Thank
signed on Tuesday, the 30. of November 1999 at 11:06:10
Apres! I trully love this page. Its done tastefully and it looks great. It is one of the best sites i've seen yet. What could be encorporated in this page is armenian origins.Indo-european as a language yes but our roots if extensive reseach is done show anatolia as our cradle of civilization. Expand on the origins for more information thats my suggestion.Long live Armenia and Armenians ...MUAH!
signed on Sunday, the 21. of November 1999 at 13:10:48
This a very interesting and informative webpage with a great layout. Im proud!!!
signed on Saturday, the 20. of November 1999 at 10:21:23
Thank you for a wonderfull website
signed on Saturday, the 20. of November 1999 at 01:00:02
Fantastic information, I loved it, BRAVO
signed on Thursday, the 18. of November 1999 at 10:57:00
Just want to congratulate you for such a brilliant and wonderful job. This is a marvelous web page for ALL to see.
Best wishes from the heart,
Armineh Hovanesian
signed on Thursday, the 18. of November 1999 at 10:15:20
Very Good job on this web page! I Like it very Much!!
Abrik!
signed on Tuesday, the 16. of November 1999 at 18:52:37
You have made a great and uncompetable page, which is worth seeing.
Congratulations for your devotion to the Armenian cause!
signed on Tuesday, the 16. of November 1999 at 01:45:11
INFORMATIVE,ENLIGHTENING AND REFRESHING.
signed on Friday, the 12. of November 1999 at 09:42:17
If You have so wonderful site give me URL please ...
I don't see so site about Armenia....
I'm web-disigner and if you want I can help with
the sites about Armenia.......
Best regart's Ruslan......
signed on Sunday, the 31. of October 1999 at 12:21:12
It's the best site what I have see about Armenia............
signed on Sunday, the 31. of October 1999 at 12:18:19
The Best educational web site from all the rest. Our candle will always stay lit.
Thank You!
signed on Sunday, the 31. of October 1999 at 01:14:45
It is educational site for my childern. Thank you
signed on Friday, the 29. of October 1999 at 22:03:23
Congradulations, interesting and informative website.
signed on Friday, the 22. of October 1999 at 16:15:41
Thank you for your page. I'm married with a beutiful armenian, and I am very interested to learn all about your country and your culture. Your work is very impressive!!
signed on Wednesday, the 20. of October 1999 at 22:42:17
Thank you for your page. I'm married with a beutiful armenian, and I am very interested to learn all about your country and your culture.
signed on Wednesday, the 20. of October 1999 at 22:31:50
I have become very interested in how language started but would like some "easy" reading on the subject. Can you suggest some books that would help me to understand the basics of this subject?
signed on Tuesday, the 19. of October 1999 at 19:37:16
EXCELLENT WORK, KEEP IT UP
signed on Monday, the 18. of October 1999 at 01:04:04
I am an american born Armenian...learned a great deal about my heritage from my grandmother before she passed. I felt like I needed to learn more and thanks to this wonderful website I was able to. I have always been very proud to be Armenian...I would like to teach my niece as much about her heritage as I can and this website is a wonderful tool for that. Thank you again for such a wonderful website.
signed on Saturday, the 16. of October 1999 at 08:41:40
Find about about Turkeys Genocide of Kurds Greeks, Cypriots and Armenians.
signed on Friday, the 15. of October 1999 at 17:02:40
Thank you very much for your great web site!
It is so important for all of us to know and
to be proud of our history !
signed on Friday, the 08. of October 1999 at 11:36:19
High quality information, excellent page, shows all great things about Armenia, the bravest country in the world. Just keep it up, and keep an
eye for dead links(if the occur).
signed on Tuesday, the 05. of October 1999 at 22:11:36
I am immensely proud of my people and all of our accomplishments.
signed on Tuesday, the 05. of October 1999 at 20:42:27
It's a priveledge to me to sign this guestbook
and I am very glad that thre is such a great website available about history of armenia
signed on Saturday, the 02. of October 1999 at 18:44:09
Hi guys!
It's great Armenian web site!
Vakhtang.
signed on Sunday, the 26. of September 1999 at 16:52:39
It is a great website.
signed on Saturday, the 18. of September 1999 at 09:54:25
This is an excellant site. I knew very little about Armenia until I heard Armen Babakhanian in 1997 and fell completely fell in love with him. This prompted me to learn more. I will recommend this site to everyone.
signed on Wednesday, the 15. of September 1999 at 12:58:46
CONGRATULATIONS FOT THIS GREATEST PAGE, ONE OF THE BEST ARMENIANS SITES,VERY GOOD JOB
HELLO IM FROM ARMENIAN COMMUNITY FROM SOUTH AMERICA(URUGUAY) AND I MAKE (WITH OTHERS ARMENIANS) AN ARMENIAN SITE IN SPANISH, VROVHEDEV SHAD CHGAN , AND IF YOU KNOW ANY SITE ARMENIAN IN SPANISH , PLEASE TELL TO ME , HERE IN URUGUAY , THE ARMENIAN SITES IS IN THE FIRST STEPS ,AND THE WORK TO TRASLATE ALL MATERIAL IN SPANISH IS VERY BIG..
WELL ..BYE AND GOOD LUCK!!!!!
signed on Thursday, the 09. of September 1999 at 19:50:23
Congratulations on your excellent work.
I already knew a lot about the genocide of the
Armenians, due to my work to make the crimes
against humanity perpetrated by Turkey known
and recognized all over the world.
I am glad for the chance to learn more about
other aspects of the Armenian History and the
Armenian culture and society.
Regards,
Roberto Lopes.
signed on Friday, the 27. of August 1999 at 06:03:01
Neat site
signed on Monday, the 23. of August 1999 at 12:54:41
Bravo!!!
Excellent web page design!
Wishing further good luck and
to find the "E"utiun...
signed on Sunday, the 22. of August 1999 at 21:49:54
wondrful
signed on Thursday, the 19. of August 1999 at 08:04:40
ur site is truly worth to be visited
signed on Tuesday, the 17. of August 1999 at 08:45:11
A fascinating job! I am impressed!
Keep going in this pace!
signed on Saturday, the 31. of July 1999 at 11:45:15
Thank You!
signed on Friday, the 16. of July 1999 at 14:06:31
I too have a deep passion for Armenian history and have collected a large amount of books in the last ten years. Growing up in Australia I have witnessed many Armenians who have assimilated.
The main reason is that most are ignorant of there Armenian Heritage. I beleive that If all Armenians were only aware of their own History than our diaspora would certainly be very different.
Sultan Abdul Hamid forbade us to learn our own history, now we have the freedom, but sadly most choose to be ignorant. I would like you to Know that the Armenian spirit you possess is very sacred
and I beleive that by creating this web site you deserve to be a modern day hero of the Armenian people. You are facilitating our awareness of our sacred history and are carrying to torch of our
our ancestors wishes.
signed on Wednesday, the 14. of July 1999 at 02:37:02
(AR:) Shat lave gorce!!! Shat shnorakalucyn!!!
(EN:) Good work!!! Cool!!! Nice!!!
(RU:) òÅÂÑÔ, ËÌÁÓÓÎÁÑ ÒÁÂÏÔÁ, ÍÏÌÏÄÃÙ!!!
(RU:) éÝÕ ÌÀÂÕÀ ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÀ Ï ÇÏÒÏÄÅ äÉÌÉÖÁÎ, ÔÁÍ ÇÄÅ Ñ ÖÉÌ É Ï ×ÓÅÈ ËÔÏ ÖÉ×£Ô\ÖÉÌ × äÉÌÉÖÁÎÅ !!!
ïÞÅÎØ ÎÁÄÏ!!! óÐÁÓÉÂÏ!!!
signed on Sunday, the 11. of July 1999 at 13:03:11
This is the Best Armenian site I've ever visited.
Congratulations hayer!
signed on Friday, the 09. of July 1999 at 13:10:20
Congratulations! This is the Best Armenian site I've ever visited.
signed on Friday, the 09. of July 1999 at 13:08:44
Great web site! Very informative! Please keep up this
most excellent work.
signed on Wednesday, the 07. of July 1999 at 13:36:13
Very good background information - i only knew
about this century - Keep it up
signed on Sunday, the 04. of July 1999 at 17:29:09
Excellent
signed on Sunday, the 27. of June 1999 at 07:35:05
bolor hayeri tsave tanem
signed on Thursday, the 24. of June 1999 at 19:13:51
I am so proud of my Armenian heritage. I want so much so instill that pride in my two sons.
signed on Wednesday, the 23. of June 1999 at 18:13:49
Congratulation on a task well done.
SHAROUNAGETSEK TSER SKANCHELI KORDZE. Noel
signed on Wednesday, the 23. of June 1999 at 00:12:08
This is the wonderful Site. What detail! By it you help the people to find out about our perfect land and culture. I shall be glad if you visit our place and given your offer. I congratulate you.
signed on Tuesday, the 15. of June 1999 at 09:20:56
A greek friend told me about the turkish occupation
of greece and the ethnic cleansing (now western turkey)
there at the start of the century. he related this
to kosovo and what is happening there. he also told
me about the turkish genocide of the armenians
and the way they treated the balkan people
when the ottoman empire rules that part of the world.
signed on Monday, the 14. of June 1999 at 18:52:28
Hi
Congratulations for winning a Best Armenian Web Page prize. I had lost the URL for this page since I was here on June 6, 1998. When I tried to find the URL, and emailed all the Nazarians I could find, nobody knew it. I am happy to find it again. And since it is in the news, the other Nazarians can go to the Ani page and discover their roots :)
signed on Saturday, the 12. of June 1999 at 14:38:28
Congratulations on your second place award in Armenia for your design of this web site, (June 1999 competition) good work! My wife and I have just spent the last four years of our lifes living in Armenia. I would encourage ALL PEOPLE of Armenian decent to explore their roots back in Armneia. fyi..I am not Armenian but I still found my US Peace Corps experience there to be unforgetable, wonderful and magical. (eg) Only in Armenia can you actually see a piece of Noah's Ark as part of a Armenian Icon (in the church museum of Etchmiadzin). My life has become enriched by my time in Armenia. Now a final thought to share with you...our lives are short, they are what you make of them, If you have a sense of adventure sieze the chance, visit Armenia! Peace to you all.
signed on Saturday, the 12. of June 1999 at 04:06:21
Hi guys!!!
You really made a great page. Thanks for that.
Arman
signed on Friday, the 11. of June 1999 at 15:07:21
You've done a marvellous work by creating The Armenian Highland WEB page. Keep up the good work.
signed on Monday, the 07. of June 1999 at 19:57:46
Very nice job guys. I am very proud, that we have a couple of young gents like you who created such a nice web site to show the whole world who are ARMENIANS.
signed on Wednesday, the 02. of June 1999 at 12:39:28
This truly is an amazing site! I have listed it as my site of the month on my "Treasured Links" page.
Please visit "The International Gourmet" for some fine ethnic food items, including a lot of Armenian specialties.
May God bless you abundantly.
signed on Friday, the 28. of May 1999 at 15:11:24
Aprek Tgherk!!! Tens Sharunagel !
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of May 1999 at 22:42:40
Aprek Tgherk !!! Tens sharunakek!
signed on Wednesday, the 26. of May 1999 at 22:34:13
Congradulations for being selected as the best web site of the month in the Usanogh's April,1999 issue. Good Job!!! Keep it UP!!!
signed on Friday, the 21. of May 1999 at 11:05:58
THIS IS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING TO COME ABOUT IN
A TIME WHEN THE YOUTH IS STRUGGLING TO FIND OUT
WHO THEY ARE. I AM 18 YEARS OLD AND HAVE SPENT 13
YEARS OF MY LIFE IN THE STATES. IT IS DIFFICULT
FOR ME TO FIND OUT ABOUT MY CULTURE AND I TRULY FEEL
ASHAMED THAT I DON'T KNOW THE RICH HISTORY OF
ARMENIA. PERHAPS THROUGH YOUR OUTSTANDING WEBSITE
MANY YOUNGSTERS WILL BE ABLE TO CLICK ON THE
NET AND CLICK INTO ENLIGHTENMENT!!!!!
I DO HAVE A SUGGESTION: THERE ARE TOO MANY WEBSITES
AND PERHAPS IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR KIDS TO FIND
THIS OUTSTANDING PLACE. I FOUND IT ON A FLIAR
ON THE WALLS OF CSUN, HOWEVER YOU SHOULD ADVERTISE
MORE.
ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
signed on Friday, the 21. of May 1999 at 10:35:03
It's wery nice to see so beautiful homepage
But you have to Upgreat it soon, and by the way
update your colors
signed on Tuesday, the 11. of May 1999 at 02:52:59
Great source of information. Bravo. Keep up the good work.
Best wishes,
Varouj Amirkhanian
signed on Monday, the 10. of May 1999 at 12:19:00
Your home page is very interesting. I think that the addition of a link to the Religious Archive in
Materadana and to the Mechitarist Monastery in Venice could help to know better the culture of your Land.
G. Tomezzoli
signed on Monday, the 10. of May 1999 at 06:20:02
You have done us all a great service. My praise and gratitude, may your quest to enlighten us allways bear so fine a fruit!
signed on Sunday, the 09. of May 1999 at 18:44:47
I love Armenians, and Armenia.
signed on Thursday, the 06. of May 1999 at 19:36:19
I am glad to see so much great info. on our homeland. This is truly a great place. Much Love.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of April 1999 at 17:04:38
Great !! The quizes are fun & if you have history & info books on Armenia in English I would like to know about it
Thanks
signed on Monday, the 19. of April 1999 at 17:22:58
You did a very outstanding job, By providing all this valueable information about Armenian history.
Thank you
signed on Friday, the 16. of April 1999 at 13:36:28
Never forget. We who forget are we who repeat. My ancestors pain resides within me.
signed on Thursday, the 15. of April 1999 at 08:57:37
BRAVO!
Thanks,
Sophia Gazarian
signed on Monday, the 12. of April 1999 at 21:24:14
I'm glad I came across this website.
signed on Monday, the 12. of April 1999 at 11:23:44
It was intellectually stimulating
signed on Sunday, the 11. of April 1999 at 08:43:00
this is one of the best site about Armenia !!!
Great JOB you guys... never forget who you are.
Thank you
signed on Monday, the 05. of April 1999 at 08:54:49
I'm very interested in learning as much as I can about Armenia. Both of mu grandparents were from
there. Maybe I can find some ancestors.
signed on Sunday, the 04. of April 1999 at 20:07:35
There aren't many Armenian websites. I'm glad that I found yours.
signed on Saturday, the 03. of April 1999 at 21:27:32
YESS CHADE SIRETSSI TSERR SITE HATCHOGHOUTIUNNE GUE MAKHTEMME TSEZI .LAVE ACHKHADANKE.HEBARDEMME TSSEZMOVE.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!!!!!!
signed on Monday, the 29. of March 1999 at 18:55:13
Perhaps you can include armenian famous people such as politicians, actors, singers, etc...I enjoyed the information. Keep up the good work!!
signed on Saturday, the 27. of March 1999 at 14:11:18
Words cannot explain how I feel when I first entered this website.
signed on Saturday, the 27. of March 1999 at 13:41:43
Barev bolor ackperutyane!!!
Dzer tsave tanem, VONTSEK?!
Apsos vor hayers esents tsrvatsenk,bayts de azgenk
ashkare tchuny.
Mer gzanotse Internet en kashel,bolors urakhenk!!!
Barev bolor LAV TGEKIN!!!DE YES HELLA, LA-LA,LA-LA
signed on Friday, the 26. of March 1999 at 16:38:48
I am like to get information about Armenian history and the economic situation in this period.
signed on Wednesday, the 24. of March 1999 at 16:33:50
Beautiful Job on every piece of work done here even the fonts are beautiful and give the impression of you going back in time. Keep up the good work !!!
P.S. I ordered the TOURARMENIAN GOLD CD.
Thankyou !!!
signed on Tuesday, the 16. of March 1999 at 19:58:59
Barev vonts ek? The site is very nice done
signed on Wednesday, the 10. of March 1999 at 09:21:48
Beautiful website, really. Just one remark: it is an affront to see the name of Levon Ter-Petrossian alongside those of Tigran the Great and Mesrop Mashdotz. A man who sent tanks onto the streets of Yerevan to cling on to an illegally acquired presidency does not deserve this. Being the first president is not an accomplishment in and of itself; it is simply a matter of chronology.
signed on Saturday, the 06. of March 1999 at 09:41:04
Looking forward to viewing many of the interesting subjects on your wedsite
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of March 1999 at 13:46:27
This is a beautiful website. Good job.
signed on Wednesday, the 03. of March 1999 at 08:47:11
Very well designed home page. I am really impressed.
Sincerely,
Vahe Karamian
P.S. Keep up the good work.
signed on Friday, the 19. of February 1999 at 14:56:47
Awesome!!
I love seeing sites like this. For those of you who spent the time and effort putting this together...bravo...keep it up.
signed on Thursday, the 04. of February 1999 at 18:00:20
Thank you for sharing this with us. This is wonderful...truly lovely.
signed on Tuesday, the 02. of February 1999 at 09:56:38
Nice site. Great job. Graphics on 1st page loaded a bit slow. May want to check that out.
Regards, Sark
signed on Sunday, the 31. of January 1999 at 23:38:24
What a beautiful, organized, & informative site!
Now I can finally learn more about our history and culture.
signed on Sunday, the 31. of January 1999 at 21:31:56
Beautiful site!
It is one of the best sites that deals with Armenia's history...
signed on Tuesday, the 19. of January 1999 at 23:56:58
Some sites are not available. Only Sound was received.
signed on Sunday, the 17. of January 1999 at 11:55:43
CHEERS FOR ARMENIAN INTELLIGENCIA...
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
signed on Saturday, the 16. of January 1999 at 19:35:43
I am a member of the Armenian Apostolic Church.
Your web site is wonderful.
I wanted to alert your visitors that a joint emailing list has been set up due to the
efforts a number of Oriental Orthodox Christians. This new Oriental
Orthodox Email Discussion List is dedicated to members of the Oriental
Orthodox Churches:
The Coptic (Egyptian) Orthodox Church
The Syrian Orthodox Church
The Armenian Orthodox Church
The Indian Orthodox Church
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church
The Eritrean Orthodox Church
These are sister churches in communion with each other. They are commonly
know as members of the Oriental Orthodox Sisterhood of Churches.
This mailing list is e-mail based and is meant for spiritual discussion
between members of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, as well as seekers to the
faith. This is a great opportunity for people from all walks of life to
discuss Christian spirituality and Holy Scripture in the context of Oriental
Orthodoxy. In addition, it will help educate participants (and especially
young people) about the faith of the Orthodox Church in general.
There is no cost. To sign up, go to http://www.uk-christian.net/orthodox/orthodox.htm
and fill out the e-form.
In Christ,
Garabed
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of January 1999 at 11:16:53
One of the best sites about Armenia I ever seen. This is an excellent site and I wish you luck in future upgrades and mintaining of the site...
signed on Wednesday, the 13. of January 1999 at 10:21:39
Excellent site. I would like to see some information about cultural customs of the family, i.e., weddings, birth of children, etc.
signed on Tuesday, the 12. of January 1999 at 06:39:03
Guestbook Updated!
signed on Wednesday, the 06. of January 1999 at 11:00:25
We would very much appreciate your help with the following.
1) We would like to include the Scientific American publications of "The Early History of Indo-European Languages. Could you therefore let us have the relevent permissions and the e-mail addresses of the authors: Professor Thomos V Gamkrelidze
Academy of Sciences of The Georgian SSR
Tsereteli Institute Of Oriental Studies
Academy Tsereteli Street 3
380062Tbilisi , Georgia
Professor V.V. Ivanov
Olimpijskij Prospekt 22
KV. 262
Moscow, 129110
Russia
Vahan Inglizian
Hayastan surb grk'i mej ( Armenia in the Bible) Vienna 1947
2) We are trying to obtain the book:
Vahan Inglizian
Hayastan surb grk'i mej ( Armenia in the Bible) Vienna 1947
Can you please help.
Yours Sincerely
Michael S. Sanders
signed on Monday, the 04. of January 1999 at 15:59:32
new browser to your site. beautiful work. keep up the effort. will visit from time to time. anything on Aintab and Urfa planned?
best regards. paul h.kalemkiarian sr.
signed on Friday, the 01. of January 1999 at 06:18:56
Just GREAT!Thank YOU!
signed on Tuesday, the 24. of November 1998 at 16:17:53
I am interested to know about the sponsorship of this web site. I think it is one of the best and most comprehensive Armenian site.
signed on Thursday, the 29. of October 1998 at 15:09:04
great!
signed on Friday, the 16. of October 1998 at 15:26:58
Your web site has got to be the most beautiful and comprehensive
collection of important Armenian history on the internet. It is clear, concise,
easy to read through and thorough. I hope you stay on the internet or else I'll be forced
to print EVERY SINGLE PAGE out on paper in order to preserve all of this for my own
personal archives! :-)
Excellent work.
-HSB
signed on Friday, the 16. of October 1998 at 01:00:32
It would be great to know a more extended version of e-mail addresses that are available. Either through the university of where ever possible. There are aquaintences there that I cannot contact but I know they have an address on file.
signed on Monday, the 05. of October 1998 at 10:13:25
Thank you for producing such an informative site on the Armenian Church. It is difficult to find materials in English on the Church, so this site has been most helpful.
signed on Sunday, the 20. of September 1998 at 16:46:57
An excellent webpage! We need lots of informative and well
organized Armenian webpages like yours.
www.armenianhighland.com sets a good example for many to
follow.
Keep up the good work.
signed on Tuesday, the 08. of September 1998 at 17:43:24
Thank you. This is a very impressive site. I appreciate the care you took to include graphics along with good narrative. I wish you had included information about you and the organization, if any, that is helping you. Thnk you again, and good luck.
signed on Tuesday, the 01. of September 1998 at 16:09:17
Everything is all right
signed on Thursday, the 13. of August 1998 at 08:23:17
Congratulations! Beautiful site. Suggestion: many of the
graphics/photographs would be OK even if weighed half or
third as much they weigh in KBytes now. That would result
in a quicker download rate of the page.
HG
signed on Monday, the 27. of July 1998 at 19:30:17
Its´s great that you have created this homepage for us Armenians.Keep up the good working!!!!
signed on Friday, the 10. of July 1998 at 12:44:58
Hello
Gevork, you have done a great job. This site is one of the best Armenian sites that I have seen. It is well designed, and gives a thorough knowlaedge about our culture. This will be a very helpful tool for students and other people who want to learn about our heritage. Did you submit this website to Arminco (www.arminco.am)? You may try to ave a link through www.asbarez.com, www.armenia.org and other well known Armenian sites. Gevork, you have done a very useful job.
Sincerely
Hrair Nazarian
signed on Tuesday, the 16. of June 1998 at 06:33:53
Absolutely the best website on Armenia!
Excellent job, special thanks to you, Gevorg jan
signed on Tuesday, the 09. of June 1998 at 01:12:27
Welcome to Armenian Highland!
signed on Friday, the 29. of May 1998 at 01:21:49
Welcome to The Armenian Enlightenment Chronicle!
signed on Thursday, the 28. of May 1998 at 12:37:01
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